00:10 [sp] k2 (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 54 points, T:290, killed by a fox 00:13 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:13 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 00:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 00:20 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:21 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 00:25 -!- Zoticus has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:42 [sp] k2 (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 6176 points, T:3018, killed by an owlbear 01:09 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:16 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:34556 01:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:28 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:28 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 01:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 01:34 aosdict: please make it clear that it wasn't sent by me then 01:34 FIQ: Message from aosdict at 2017-12-07 23:14 EST: posted the bug report on User:FIQ/DevTeam, if for any reason you don't want it there feel free to remove it 01:34 otherwise feel free 01:45 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:50 FIQ: lol, is that really true? self-genocide makes the monsters think you're dead??? 01:50 LarienTelrunya: Message from jonadab at 2017-12-07 10:07 EST: What about if I make Samurai gain alignment by being super low on hitpoints, because of bushido? 01:50 LarienTelrunya: Message from bug_sniper at 2017-12-07 23:05 EST: [fh] bundlebundlebundlebundlebundle (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed the ghost of easy mode activate, the former Fighter, on T:2091 01:51 !tell jonadab well, giving the samurai some (even if it's obscure) way to gain alignment is better than not having it at all :P also, I'd advise you to make the achievement unlockables into an option, since they can be a fun challenge but not every player will want to be force-fed with the obligation to do them 01:51 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 01:52 !tell bug_sniper hahahahahahaha *buuuuuuuuuundle!* :D I wonder where Luxidream got that from, considering he rarely even is in the channel... 01:52 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:07 -!- lonjil has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 02:07 -!- birk has joined #hardfought 02:15 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 02:19 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:20 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:36877 02:23 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:37049 02:29 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:37269 02:31 aosdict: LOL @ making Moloch altars randomly curse stuff you drop on them. Now I'm contemplating actually adding that to slex. Maybe a 0.2% chance per item or so. 02:35 -!- eady has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:39 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:37821 02:39 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:37823 02:41 !tell K2 wow, the hardfought EU server is ultra fast!!! many thanks for setting it up :) 02:41 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:46 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:46 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:46 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 02:47 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 02:48 LarienTelrunya: yep 02:49 and you said it happens in Grunthack and possibly other variants, too? 02:56 no 02:56 it might happen in other variants too, but only briefly then 02:57 because you still recover HP from your main form while polymorphed 02:57 well, I guess in variants where your regeneration can be inhibited (unnethack elf wearing an iron ring, maybe?), it can still be exploited 02:57 3.6.1 changed this 02:57 making the bug permanent 02:57 hmm 02:57 interesting point 02:57 yes i suppose that would happen 02:58 and slex has the burn status that inhibits regeneration entirely, so I guess that's also a way it could happen 02:58 right, but burn is temporary 02:58 just put on a magical item that causes the burn status while worn and never be attacked again? 02:58 yes, possibly 02:58 try it 03:12 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:39517 03:12 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:39518 03:16 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:39894 03:18 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:39970 03:18 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:39975 03:22 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:40181 03:22 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:40183 03:24 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:40281 03:33 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 03:38 FIQ: holy shit you were right, polyselfing and then wearing something that causes burns makes me completely immune to monster attacks in slex once I genocide my original role 03:39 thanks for the heads up 03:39 then un also needs to be tested 03:39 will fix in the next version, obviously 03:39 how are you going to fix it 03:39 because I don't know 03:40 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:41729 03:40 well I don't really know yet either, I want to look into the function that makes monsters not attack when your HP are non-positive 03:40 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:41730 03:40 but it definitely needs to be fixed, since it's quite the exploit 03:41 yep 03:41 i was just going to wait 03:41 and see what the devteam does 03:41 will slex quickly be ascended by using that exploit before I'm going to fix it? :P 03:41 haha 03:43 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 03:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 03:44 apparently the check is in monmove.c dochug() if(inrange && !noattacks(mdat) && u.uhp > 0 && !scared && tmp != 3) 03:45 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:46 it might not be the only check 03:46 hence why I want to wait for a DT fi 03:46 x 03:53 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:00 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Death, on T:42288 04:03 -!- monsieur_h has joined #hardfought 04:03 hey 04:03 Hello monsieur_h, Welcome to #hardfought 04:03 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Death, on T:42325 04:04 i tried to play FIQhack online on your london server but didn't found a way to register 04:04 I think registration has to be done on the US server first 04:04 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Death, on T:42334 04:04 you're right 04:06 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:42359 04:07 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:42374 04:09 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:42390 04:10 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 04:11 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:42415 04:13 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:42440 04:16 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3519392 points, T:42464, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/ShivanHunter/nhdev/dumplog/1512212973.nhdev.txt 04:32 -!- birk is now known as lonjil 04:33 -!- monsieur_h has left #hardfought 05:09 K2: genocide exploit reproduces in GruntHack 05:09 er 05:09 slex 05:09 not grunt 05:10 other variants may be affected 05:10 notably, Un and dNetHack 05:10 because they have means to freeze your regeneration 05:10 there's the question why monsters stop attacking when the player's HP are non-positive; is it because otherwise you'd keep eating attacks after you got killed, if the monster has several attacks per turn? 05:12 clearly, one way to fix this might be to make it so that if the player is polymorphed (Upolyd is true), the monsters will attack anyway 05:13 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:19 however, there's also the exploit where a player overflows the maxHP value via drain for gain and then becomes similarly impervious 06:06 Evil Patch idea: shop doors have tripwires, and there's a 1% chance each time you step on them that there is a fireball explosion centered on you. If this hits the shopkeeper, it counts as if you did it on purpose, because of course it does. 06:13 [fh] Erotic Thai Bitch (AmyBSOD) (Sam Hum Fem Law), 10068 points, T:182, killed by falling downstairs 06:13 A is for Amy who fell down the stairs. Also wtf how is that score calculated, I certainly didn't do things that would net 10k points in so little turns... 06:13 you did 06:14 NH4 score calculation is much saner than 3.4.3, but it gives a bit too many points in the beginning 06:14 this isn't really a problem when you compare it with other people's scores, but breaks logpoint even further heh 06:14 "a bit"... so many that log point farming for botnethack (aka junethack) is rather easy to do :P 06:15 yes, but that is not fiqhack's fault 06:15 it's junethack's 06:15 logpoints is broken for NH3 variants too 06:15 yeah 06:15 what caused you to start a fh game anyway? it isn't june yet :P 06:16 "I will only play satanhack during june!" 06:16 just testing the new version 06:16 a 06:16 h 06:16 i.e. I wasn't seriously attempting to ascend it :D 06:16 ok 06:17 also I guess there's a reason why everyone assumed "edible bra" was my fruitname 06:17 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:17 it is Elvis' fruitname 06:18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE3CcCF8_OU mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *bundlebundlebundle* :) 06:19 reddit is weird 06:20 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 06:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 06:20 fh has half the upvotes and twice the downvotes and still ended up showing before 4k's release despite being posted later for whatever reason 06:21 yeah I never understood their sorting system either 07:04 [gh] arnibald (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 36158 points, T:17386, petrified by falling downstairs while wielding a cockatrice corpse 07:14 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicing a pile of gold, on T:3224 07:15 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:16 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:28 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 5689 points, T:5908, killed by an Uruk-hai, while frozen by a potion 07:39 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 300 points, T:999, killed by a giant bat 07:48 [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1090 points, T:1263, killed by a giant ant 08:36 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 08:42 What's the easiest NetHack role to become IRL? Archeologist? Priest? 08:42 Healer? ... Barbarian? 08:44 I know one person who used to play NH arcs and that inspired her to become a RL one 08:45 Going to college to become an archeologist is probably easier than medical school 08:45 yes, or seminary (you sort of need faith and calling for that, not just ambition) 08:46 one of my friends from school is a priest now :) 08:48 one of my eldest daughter's school friends went to seminary but I don't know if he's a priest yet 08:48 probably a bit young for it, he's about 24 08:52 tourist 08:53 oh right. 08:54 1) buy a set of extra sharp darts 2) buy a hawaiian shirt 3) buy an expensive camera 4) grab some more cash and go somewhere you've never been 08:54 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:54 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 08:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 08:59 I guess we could partition the roles into stuff you could ever reasonably become IRL and stuff you can't. 08:59 Things you can't reasonably become: Barbarian, Caveperson, Samurai, Valkyrie, Wizard, Knight? 09:00 The Queen begs to differ, I think. 09:01 Knight, if you are of the appropriate national origin? :) 09:01 (You can still be knighted, though it doesn't come with a pony as far as I know) 09:01 you can just buy one 09:01 and some sword and armor 09:01 the knighting itself is the ahrd part 09:01 *hard 09:01 I like what Terry Pratchett did when he was knighted 09:02 remind me please? 09:02 forged his own sword out of meteoric iron by hand (with some friends IIRC) 09:02 ooh right, now I remember that 09:08 I wonder if the Japanese Emperor can still technically create Samurai in the same way that the Queen can still create Knights. 09:08 heh 09:11 [nh4] Nobbs (Ran Hum Mal Cha), 85040 points, T:52742, killed by an invisible wraith, while stuck in monster form 09:13 * Chris_ANG reads Wikipedia 09:14 Looks like most samurai clans basically created themselves (and then became hereditary?) rather than being created by the emperor. 09:15 However, the emperor did abolish the samurai, which suggests that at least prior to WWII he would have had the power to bring the title back as something similar to English knighthood. 09:18 Oh, and IIRC, you can actually become a knight without being actually British, can't you? Or is it that you can get Sir before your name? One of the two. 09:19 so having relations with the queen of england is at the top of my bucket list. #2 is now being knighted by her after the fact 09:19 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-12-08 02:41 EST: wow, the hardfought EU server is ultra fast!!! many thanks for setting it up :) 09:19 I think you can't get knighted unless you're British. Not sure, though. 09:20 quick search comes up with 'sort of' 09:21 I know there's some designation you can get as a non-British 09:21 cant have 'sir' in front of your name if you're not british 09:21 but can still have the KBE identifier/moniker 09:21 apparently bill gates is knighted 09:22 but he's bill gates, kbe 09:22 not sir bill gates 09:22 now, what if, in my case, your heritage is mostly from the isles? (irish/scottish/british) 09:23 -!- Zoticus has joined #hardfought 09:23 thanks LarienTelrunya 09:23 :) 09:26 Hm, post WW2 the Emperor can "award honors" with the approval of the Cabinet, which I assume means he could bestow a title like samurai if the elected government said it was OK. 09:26 Probably it would not be ok, of course. 09:31 Hmm, is there a good name for a clerical rank / position IRL whose main purpose is to train new priests? 09:31 Wondering if the Arch Priest should be renamed. 09:59 Novice Master, but that would be only a teacher, not the head of a whole temple as the Arch Priest clearly is 10:15 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 10:18 Well, I'm trying to better differentiate the name from High Priest. 10:21 YANI: if you go talk to the Arch Priest after getting the Amulet, he offers to open up a portal to the Plane of Earth directly. 10:22 This is not too big of a gameplay impact, it only lets the player skip 12-13 levels of the Dungeons of Doom. 10:31 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 10:31 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Client Quit] 10:44 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 10:47 YANI: make armor completely safe to wear-test if the player can verify that it's not cursed. Helms of opposite alignment and dunce caps should always generate cursed. 10:48 YANI: change the material of dunce caps to cloth. 10:48 erm, paper. 10:48 * LarienTelrunya likes autocursing items :) 10:51 I'm not saying that they shouldn't autocurse, but a player shouldn't be afraid of wearing a known-uncursed random helm on the off chance that it's opposite alignment. 10:51 * aosdict doesn't like the game saying "lol gotcha! :D" 10:52 heh, I just wear-tested a known-uncursed pair of gloves... in slex, where bad things can happen indeed :P 10:52 but I got lucky, they're gauntlets of swimming 10:54 NHINRL, but as far as I can tell, wearing gauntlets of any kind would impair my ability to swim. 10:54 Though not as bad as wearing sandals. 10:55 haha, but swimming in wedge sandals would be sexy! 10:55 slex has flip-flops, I presume? slex YANI: wearing flipflops or any other kind of sandals cancels out your ability to swim 10:55 and tourists start with flip-flops, of course 10:55 :D 10:55 added to slex idea list, thanks 10:56 not everything on that list actually gets implemented, but I might find a way to implement that idea :) 10:57 *cough*jesussandals*cough* 10:59 would be trivial with trinsic rewrite 11:00 the wikipedia page about the Sandals of Jesus Christ (yes it's a real thing) doesn't describe how the sandal in question actually relates to Jesus 11:00 LarienTelrunya: slex artifact idea? ^ 11:00 haha... maybe :D 11:01 would they give WW 11:01 i dunno about wikipedia, aosdict. it's just what i name my boots of water walking sometimes 11:01 most probably they would ;) 11:01 hallu alludes to jesus in fh if you gain WW intrinsically 11:03 hothraxxa: yes, apparently jesus sandals are a real-life style of sandal 11:03 and wikipedia happened to catch my attention there 11:04 i always wore slippahs in hawaii. otherwise, i dislike sandals 11:04 slippah is how hawaiians refer to flip-flops 11:12 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:22 [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 9197 points, T:7784, killed by a Green-elf 11:29 epi: an attack that scrambles your inventory descriptions, making you have to identify them again without the help of your own memory 11:29 bug_sniper: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-12-08 01:52 EST: hahahahahahaha *buuuuuuuuuundle!* :D I wonder where Luxidream got that from, considering he rarely even is in the channel... 11:32 he's magical 11:33 LarienTelrunya: your *bundle* messages go down the grapevine to the Discord server 11:34 well not the messages 11:34 but the fact that it is something of a catchphrase 11:38 bundlebundlebundle 11:38 next time i see my wife, i'm going to tell her i'm going to 'bundlebundlebundle' her this weekend 11:38 i'll need to record the reaction 11:38 eldnubeldnubeldnub 11:39 hah 11:39 although my hair is not nearly long enough to 'bundlebundle' anything 11:39 but that's ok, the wife will think i am meaning something else entirely 11:40 LarienTelrunya you created a bundle monster right? 11:40 lol, I'm gone to eat food for 15 min and people are happily bundle-ing each other behind my back! :D 11:40 lol 11:40 K2: yeah, inspired by you, it produces the message "You hear 'bundlebundlebundle!!'" every once in a while 11:40 awesome 11:41 its like cousin it from the adams family show 11:41 and then my roommate invented the fleece and cuddle monsters, which give 'fleecelfleecelfleecel' and 'cuddlecuddlecuddle' messages, respectively 11:42 http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/weku/files/201303/cousin%20it.png 11:42 anyway, afk again (eating) 11:46 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 12:12 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:19 [dyn] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 7562 points, T:3390, killed by a water moccasin 12:24 [fh] JH (jonathanhanes) (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 7045 points, T:19, killed by a kobold 12:25 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 12:56 -!- jonathanhanes2 has joined #hardfought 12:56 hello 12:56 Hello jonathanhanes2, Welcome to #hardfought 12:59 early speed boots 13:00 most certainly a death sentence 13:01 I see that you have learned the art of the RNG :p 13:01 if it gives you stuff, it will probably take it away eventually 13:04 fiq, i accidently smacked my vorpal blade against the wall and it "vibrated violently" 13:04 did it lose effectiveness? 13:04 this is fiqhack btw 13:05 it did not 13:05 it did hurt you, though 13:05 but it doesn't hurt much 13:05 maybe 2-4hp? 13:05 don't remember the exact number, but yeah, it's like kicking walls 13:05 similarly pointless 13:05 ok cool 13:06 have an enchanted vorpal blade and speed boots and mr 13:06 EPI: smacking swords into hard objects may break them if you are sufficiently strong 13:06 why is there a 2 after your nick btw 13:06 so I'm almost certain to die in a very humorous way 13:06 anyway, I see, good stuff 13:06 yeah, certainly 13:06 i think i'm logged in at home as well 13:06 ah 13:06 that would be it probably 13:06 there is 3 jonathanhanes lol 13:06 i don't know where the third one of me is coming from though 13:07 Jonathanhanes Jonathanhanes_ jonathanhanes2 13:07 heh 13:07 maybe i have 2 irc clients running at home as well XD 13:07 Lol 13:07 screen -ls 13:07 jonadab: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-12-08 01:51 EST: well, giving the samurai some (even if it's obscure) way to gain alignment is better than not having it at all :P also, I'd advise you to make the achievement unlockables into an option, since they can be a fun challenge but not every player will want to be force-fed with the obligation to do them 13:08 I should make it so if your player name is Amy, you're not allowed to unlock samurai role no matter what you do. 13:08 haha 13:08 do it 13:10 well you'd have to make it so that it just needs to contain the "Amy" string, since my username is actually AmyBSOD :D 13:10 Ah. 13:11 Or I could just change the unlock criteria for Samurai so you have to ascend a petless pacifist caveman. 13:12 no 13:12 there is a simple solution 13:12 Eliminate the Samurai role altogether? 13:12 make it so that you have to ascend a barbarian to unlock samurai 13:12 heh, I'm working on a slex caveman ascension right now; still only on dlvl27 but I basically have a full ascension kit already 13:12 that way it's still easy to do 13:12 But Barbarian's pretty easy. 13:12 but amy will refuse to 13:12 Ah. 13:12 it's perfect 13:13 and bar is restricted in wands, so she has to deal with that fun too :-) 13:13 clearly, what should be done is that only healer and archeologist are unlocked at the start, and have to be ascended to unlock wizard and barbarian, respectively. And only if wiz and barb are both ascended too, the samurai will unlock. 13:13 LarienTelrunya: the point isn't to restrict everyone from sam 13:13 but to restrict *you* 13:13 a full ascension kit? slex? 13:14 FIQ: yes, that's why those criteria are only in effect if the player's name contains the "Amy" string. 13:14 meh 13:14 more fun if the unlocking is technically easy 13:14 i don't this camera works very well 13:14 so you have less leg to stand on 13:14 jonathanhanes2: what do you mean 13:14 FIQ: since bar is restricted in wands, but obviously none of the other monsters are affected, expect a lot more complaining about the "Wand Destruction Patch"? 13:14 aosdict: sure, why not? you always try to get an ascension kit, no matter what variant :D 13:14 usually it will make monsters flee or at least not know where you are when you run away 13:14 but that hasn't really been the case 13:15 they still track me very well it seems 13:15 LarienTelrunya: I thought the whole point of the slex balance system was that there is _no such thing_ as an ascension kit, no set of things you can do or have that will prevent unavoidable death? 13:15 jonadab: oh yeah, I removed the fleeing 13:16 err, jonathanhanes2 13:16 still blinds them thoug 13:16 h 13:16 probably less effective in a corridor i imagine 13:16 jonadab: the point is that even if you have an ascension kit, things can still go horribly wrong, but your chances of success are much bigger than if you're using crap equipment. 13:16 wait I am looking in the wrong place 13:16 just burned through all of my healing pots after 2 soldier ants had their way with me 13:16 I am looking at grunthack 13:16 lol 13:16 give me a moment 13:17 Evil Patch Idea: antholes can occur starting on dungeon level 2. And for every anthole on the level, a blacklight is generated in a corridor nearby. 13:18 Or a gas spore. 13:18 Or both. 13:18 i don't like that one 13:18 jonadab: theoretically, you can get a mixed tension room on dlvl2 in slex, which is filled with random 'a' and 'y' :D 13:18 EPI you start blind and every square around you contains a cockatrice corpse 13:18 (or any other combination of two monster glyphs) 13:19 EPI: you get eaten by a grue in 3 turns while in the dark, and the starting room on dlvl1 can be unlit. Oh wait. There's a tournament where that can happen already. 13:19 L and J 13:19 In Zork, you get eaten by a grue in _one_ turn if you move from a dark place to a dark place. 13:20 jonathanhanes2: found it, thanks 13:20 Zork doesn't have maps though, does it? 13:20 seems like nobody uses cameras, sorry 13:20 [fh] Shelf on the Elf (Luxidream) (Mon Elf Mal Cha), 20644 points, T:1226, drained of life by 13:20 no problem 13:20 i do :3 13:20 So it's not like one square to the next square, it's like one room to the next 13:20 but yeah, monsters will never flee from them in 4.3.0 due to a bug, apparently 13:21 will be fixed next update 13:21 aosdict: Zork doesn't show the map on the screen, but it certainly _has_ one. 13:21 sweet 13:21 !tell K2 pushed fixes 13:21 Will do, FIQ! 13:21 no 13:21 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-12-08 13:21 EST: pushed fixes 13:21 Instead of h j k l y u b n, the movement commands are w s n e nw ne sw se 13:21 :( 13:21 :P 13:22 cmoooon k2 13:22 pleeeeeeeeease 13:22 ok ok 13:22 :P 13:22 jonadab: but room-based instead of square-based 13:22 jonathanhanes2: but yeah, there is a reason I recommend online in my release post 13:22 aosdict: Details, details. 13:22 good timing i just got back from lunch 13:22 faster updates 13:22 sooooooooooo full 13:22 I might post a bugfix release, 4.3.1 or 4.3.0.1 or whatever, in a month or 2 13:22 depending on what happens 13:22 or longer 13:22 but server will be updated nearly immediately 13:24 cameras are great way to deal with nymphs 13:26 jonadab: anyway, this is why I don't like doing releases :P 13:27 I can't just go and fix them if a bug is found 13:27 FIQ: You can fix them in the next release. 13:27 yes 13:27 but who knows when releasing that is appropriate 13:27 If the bug's been there since 2016 and just now got noticed, it's not going to be a deal-breaker for most of the player base. 13:28 protip: do releases more often than ais does, so your latest stable release isn't so old and terrible you would never recommend anyone ever play it for any reason. 13:29 (Technically, the latest actual stable release of NH4, not counting betas, is 4.2.) 13:29 (Even 4.3 beta2 is so old, I would not suggest anyone play it at this point.) 13:29 FIQhack updated (us and eu) 13:29 4.2... is not stable 13:30 oh, and FIQ, I don't need to reset the counter unless I stop seeing the string FIQhack updated 13:30 :P 13:30 aosdict: fair 13:31 heh 13:34 FIQ: you actually have a copywrite on 'FIQhack' ? 13:35 you mean copyright? 13:35 FIQHack, Copyright (C) 2017; based on NetHack, Copyright (C) 1985-2006 13:35 write 13:35 :P 13:35 K2: copyright comes by default 13:35 yes copyright 13:35 you are probably asking about trademark? 13:35 to which, no 13:35 yeah you don't have to register copyrights 13:35 I don't 13:35 because english is my first language and i struggle with it 13:35 you don't even have to register trademarks AFAIK 13:36 you do 13:36 well then whats to stop me from saying i have the copyright to FIQhack 13:36 K2: pushed a minor fix, no need to update, it's tiny 13:36 yes trademarks have to be registered 13:36 there's a process 13:36 K2: I can back up my copyright with proof 13:36 you can't 13:37 K2: the ™ symbol literally means unregistered trademark 13:37 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:37 [fh] Affirmative Action 4 (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed the ghost of Shelf on the Elf, the former Candidate, on T:1840 13:37 not having a legal document stating copyrights to something sounds stupid 13:45 K2: The way copyright law works currently, if you write it, you have copyright to it. 13:45 Unless you are paid to write it, in which case it might be a work for hire. 13:45 And your employer might have the copyright then. 13:46 Being able to show that you are in fact the author is of course helpful if anything goes to court. 13:46 jonathanhanes2: that is an oilskin BoH 13:46 lol 13:46 neat 13:46 that's actually really neat 13:47 oilskin is the only property that can generate on bags 13:47 so yeah 13:47 YASI: oilskin gauntles of power. 13:47 so it was random? 13:47 could have been non magical? 13:47 yes 13:47 it usually is 13:47 oooooh 13:47 but as with any item 13:47 extra fancy 13:47 it can generate randomly 13:47 for better or worse...! 13:47