00:03 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 00:28 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:33 [nd] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:5418 00:34 [nd] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5443 00:38 [nd] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Law), 9721 points, T:5619, killed by a gargoyle 00:56 -!- K2 changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org ¤ EU server now mirroring variants from hdf-main - ssh nethack@eu.hardfought.org 00:56 most variants are up 00:57 still need to bring up unnethack, dnethack, sporkhack, slex and dynahack 00:57 well.. it's more like just over half are up 00:58 those being 3.4.3, 3.6.1-dev, grunthack, nethack 4, fourk and fiqhack 00:58 AND you can import your rc files from every variant from hdf-main, including the nh4 based ones 00:59 nice! 01:05 excited ;) 01:05 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 01:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 01:08 I've informed the discordfolk 01:08 with fancy formatting 01:08 nice thanks! 01:08 i'll do a reddit post once every variant is up and running on it 01:08 i plan on having it ready to go by friday 01:08 but you can play on it now 01:13 oh wow... bitcoin up over $14k USD 01:13 good lord 01:14 I misplaced $20 somewhere in my house 01:17 ok bedtime gnite all :P 01:17 Gnite Den Mom! 01:17 lol 01:18 :D I think you'd be great at it. 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I want you to join because the more money you make the more money I make!! 01:32 -!- Bitcoin_Pro has left #hardfought 01:42 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:55 -!- firemonkey has joined #hardfought 01:57 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 01:58 !tell K2 stop (curr...) talking about (...ency), I swear it's triggering the spammoids! 01:58 Will do, shpingrlde! 02:04 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:07 -!- eady has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:07 !tell k2 there's a pretty awesome feature that the DCSS irc bot can do for people who start a lot of half-finished games, especially if you do it across multiple versions/variants of DCSS. !locate will find all your in-progress savegames and tell you the server and game version/variant so you can go pick them back up 02:07 Will do, shpingrlde! 02:08 !tell k2 might be a big ask considering you and Tangles are still setting the second server up in the first place, but would be super cool to have 02:08 Will do, shpingrlde! 02:09 shpingrlde: is it true that you maintain a DCSS variant that puts all the removed stuff back in? 02:09 only races, and I haven't maintained it in a long time 02:10 at this point it would make more sense to pull those races in on top of the current version - Neil likes to do things like change the case of variables to make the code more correcter 02:10 ah, so your variant doesn't put removed monsters and items back in I guess? 02:11 nope, generally not. unless maybe it was needed for a race 02:13 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 02:13 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:13 DCSS balance is pretty good, if you wanna ride their idea of balance. removing items that are too good is working for them, imo - because every character is warped to use the OP items if the player knows what's up 02:13 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 02:13 heh, I've never gotten actually good at DCSS, the farthest I ever got was the temple where you pick a god; I still have that character since I didn't continue playing after that 02:14 -!- eady has joined #hardfought 02:14 also I'd probably like to add all of crawl's monsters to slex at some point, but I guess there is no consolidated table for them; the wiki just has the individual monsters' pages :/ 02:15 if a race is cheesy or weak or boring, that's your pre-game difficulty selector, so I figure why not have more difficulty selectors. as long as the game still has minotaur berserkers, no other option is likely to outclass that, after all 02:15 but like, killing healing wands and teleport wands because there's no reason to EVER recharge other wands? that seems good 02:16 hmm, I dunno, my solution to "omg item X is possibly OP!" is not "remove item X then", but rather "maybe nerf its effect or make the other items better?" 02:16 if you visit the AUS server, you can play yiufcrawl, circus animals, and other 'moar races!' variants to see more races https://crawl.project357.org/ 02:16 it's the more variant-friendly one 02:17 oh my god, DCSS servers still don't offer ascii versions even today? 02:18 you can ssh some or all of 'em 02:18 https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ssh+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fcrawl.develz.org%2Ftavern%2F 02:22 ah, the akrasiac one seems to work for me 02:23 try berotato 02:23 they have noticeably more players than the nethack servers... 02:23 * LarienTelrunya becomes green of envy 02:23 I always played tiles, because only tiles has in-game chat with spectators 02:24 https://crawl.develz.org/watch.htm cool, this purports to show all active spectatable games across servers. 02:24 never seen it before, can't vouch for its efficacy 02:25 but anyway, whatever you did with akrasiac? cbro uses the same keys IIRC 02:25 so try changing it to crawl.berotato.org 02:25 and crawl.project357.org 02:25 those ones have variants 02:27 well if I try to ssh into the 357 one, it asks for a password that I don't know 02:27 hey, isn't prozacelf one of your users? http://crawl.berotato.org:8080/#watch-ProzacElf how unfaithful.... 02:27 he is primarily a crawl player, yes 02:28 occasionally I can manage to *bundlebundlebundle* him into playing slex, but not often :D 02:38 'The invisible K2 swallows Vlad the Impaler. "Burrrrp!" Vlad the Impaler is destroyed!' 02:38 K2 is my pet purple worm (former titan) with his own amulet of reflection 02:41 !who 02:41 LarienTelrunya: No current players 02:47 hi 02:47 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 03:00 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:18 !tell ais523 could also generate wizbones on antimagic fields since they take HP damage 03:18 Will do, FIQ! 03:19 !who 03:19 FIQ: Nobbs [nh4] 03:42 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 03:44 you ssh to crawl.akrasiac.org LarienTelrunya 03:44 and you don't need to enter a password, you sign in automatically 03:45 yeah, that worked, but shpingrlde mentioned that the project357 server has variants that akrasiac doesn't have 03:45 actually, if you ssh you do, username and password are joshua 03:45 shpingrlde: basically 03:46 he plays slex when LarienTelrunya annoys him enough 03:46 FIQ: but it sounds nicer when saying that he is bundled, compared to annoyed :D 03:47 what do you even mean 03:47 when you say bundled 03:47 wait 03:47 do i want to know 03:47 *I 03:47 no new sprints it seems 03:48 1d crawl is best crawl 03:48 hahaha, everyone likes to be bundled ♥ FIQ: play slex! *bundlebundlebundle* (also: the next savebreak version will remove hangup penalties, and then Grasshopper can also play!) 03:49 cool 03:49 LarienTelrunya yay \o/ 03:49 did you port 3.6.0 stuff? 03:49 I am sure Grasshopper is looking forward to endless interface screw 03:49 I can't believe that I'm looking forward to playing slex 03:49 I keep pinching myself to see if I'm dreaming 03:50 LarienTelrunya: I saw that someone on 4chan dissed slex for fh lol 03:50 nope, unfortunately the 3.6.0 implementation is super complicated and I couldn't get it to work; I decided to simply remove the HP/Pw loss and just paralyze the player for 2-3 turns when hanging up, so as to prevent it from being used to nullify a mumak's attack. And the # of hangups is tracked in the dumplog. 03:50 rekt 03:50 so you didn't actually remove it? 03:50 you were just lying 03:50 FIQ: slex is being dissed a lot on 4chan, but it's also discussed a lot, more so than any other variants in fact :D 03:50 got it 03:50 yes 03:51 because the variant dev keeps bringing it up there 03:51 probably helps 03:51 well, the main reason why people got upset about the hangup penalty is because it reduced max HP/Pw, which cannot easily be restored; a few turns of paralysis to allow the monsters to get the turns that hangup cheating denied them shouldn't be gamebreaking 03:52 unless you are being eaten m=by a mumak at the time 03:52 and of course, hanging up at a pending instadeath like "You die from your illness" is still an instadeath upon restoring 03:52 he, wait? who is shpingrlde? I thought that was a alternative nick of LarienTelrunya? 03:52 what? 03:53 that is rather mean 03:53 they are 2 completely different persons 03:53 bhaak: shpingrlde is the author of Fiddlehack, a FIQhack variant 03:53 I hope so. otherwise it would be strange if she were talking to herself 03:54 bhaak: shpingrlde dislikes slex but likes nh4+friends 03:54 swapped for LarienTelrunya 03:54 :D 03:54 what did I do 03:55 how much damage do a scurrier's claws deal 03:55 wait, so shpingrlde is my evil twin? shpingrlde: are you my evil twin? why do you like the exact opposite things of the stuff I like :P 03:55 or are they strictly for digging 03:55 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:55 LarienTelrunya: the worst one can get is not hate, but indifference. hate is as strong an emotion as love, just in a negative way. if people hate you, you have made them so emotional involved that they go a long way to express that. with indifference, they don't deem you worthy of their attention 03:56 bhaak did you see that someone drifted in here sold on Un's mission statement 03:56 it sounded like they don't even really know how to play nethack yet, but had their heart somewhat set on Un 03:56 bhaak: heh, true, I don't know if I ever mentioned that anywhere, but one of slex's PR strategies is "a bad reputation is better than none at all" :D 03:57 in that regard I guess you succeeded 03:57 shpingrlde: when I first saw you, you said something along the lines of "something broke on my computer and that's why I'm using this nick for the time being". somehow I connected that to LarienTelrunya 03:57 most nethack people I've seen knows about slex 03:57 even when they have no idea what a grunthack or a fiqhack is 03:57 or similar 03:58 shpingrlde: was it cosmicweasel? otherwise I didn't see it (i was sometimes off this channel because I forgot to add autojoin for it) 03:58 yes 03:58 well IMHO Grunthack should be more popular too, it's the evil variant after all, but somehow even a google search doesn't turn up anything about the (now fixed) segfault venoms... 03:59 grunt is evil? I never knew 04:00 lol, reading the rlg archive 04:00 I see a post by LarienTelrunya bashing fh *hard* 04:00 FIQ: link? 04:00 sec 04:01 I am dealing with obligatory ad nonsense 04:01 on a slow browser 04:02 https://4archive.org/board/vg/thread/162802102/rlg-roguelike-general 04:02 "now I will give an unbiased description of variants" 04:02 "Fourk sucks" 04:02 ayy 04:03 yeah that answer was totally unbiased :P 04:03 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:03 - Nethack Fourk is like NetHack 4, except with some annoying changes that are designed to screw you over, specifically the "wand destruction patch" that prevented the Amy from ascending it, and it's completely impossible to win the game if you do things that reduce your alignment record. Definitely not recommended for beginners. 04:03 - FIQHack is like Nethack Fourk, except *even worse*. Steer clear. 04:03 weird, I wrote that last December? I thought that if I wrote such a scornful post it would be during Junethack, when the scars left on me by playing non-slex variants are still fresh... 04:03 10/10 description 04:04 mind you, this was before genocide bug 04:04 I'm sure the post would have been even more colorful otherwise 04:06 "FIQhack is a variant where you can suffer completely arbitrary deaths, such as 'mordor orc reads scroll of stinking cloud in Minetown, watch captain aggros and instakills you' or 'samurai read a scroll of genocide, goodbye', and which is of course much worse than slex's amulet of premature death that can randomly instakill you, or the plethora of interface screw traps in slex." 04:06 (just made that up on the spot :D) 04:06 something like that 04:07 interface screw traps are what makes slex evil 04:07 imho 04:07 *bundlebundebundle* 04:08 my roommate wants me to add an item effect/enchantment that makes the interface screw traps less evil when such an item is equipped :) 04:09 You have a roommate? I could never be so tolerant of another person 04:09 or rather, they of me 04:09 yeah, and she has a very long bundle and is generally a wonderful person! ♥ 04:09 she inspired a couple of slex's features :D 04:09 @le?Amy's roommate 04:09 Amy's roommate (D) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 23 | Spd: 9 | Res: cold | Confers: cold | MR: 20 | Generates: special | AC: -3 | Attacks: 3d6 breath cold, 4d6 bite curse-items, 3d3 lashing physical, 3d3 claw physical | Alignment: -5 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, flies, thick hide, oviparous, seeinvis 04:10 hmmmmmm, lovely bundling is the best 04:10 ^^ she even appears as a monster in slex, although she did get a bit upset when I told her that, saying "I am not a MONSTER!" :D:D:D 04:10 heh, we are all monsters sometimes 04:10 everything is a monster 04:10 perfect symmetry is the final goal 04:11 FIQ: heh, in my Elona variant I actually made one aspect (aggravate monster gear on monsters) symmetric to the player, which previously wasn't the case :) 04:12 it used to be that, for some weird reason, Elona would calculate the difficulty of monsters spawned by aggravate monster based on the player's level, always, no matter who is wearing the aggravate monster gear! 04:14 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 04:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 04:14 FIQ: did you see the pager.c lines beginning with this one: "In Nethack Fourk, monsters get a turn" yet? those were added after junethack 2017 :) 04:16 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:17 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:19 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 04:19 monsters get a turn? 04:19 not sure if I understand what you mean 04:19 they do in slex too 04:20 that's just the beginning of the message 04:20 but I guess you did see them already, since you referenced the "fumble around with bag of holding and crash" message before 04:20 yeah I probably saw it 04:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 04:21 you mean monsters getting a turn upon entering the level? 04:21 yeah 04:21 elenmirie: you have new scary powers 04:21 you may now tal when the channel is moderated 04:21 booga booga! 04:21 use the gift wisely! 04:21 *talk 04:22 it happened so many times in Fourk when I was scumdigging down with scurrier tourists, I'd land on a new level directly next to a piranha because of those new bloody pools and the piranha would kill me before I got a turn. 04:26 FIQ: ah, but you might not have seen these yet: in pager.c, scroll down to "This is not a correct target.", the lines below reference some other variants again ;) 04:28 "This game is not FIQhack, but something where monsters cannot read scrolls of genocide. (Whose idea was that anyway??? I mean, seriously?)", 04:28 my idea 04:29 no having ideas fiq 04:29 :( 04:43 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 06:15 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:27 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:28 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 06:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 06:37 EPI: excessive digging in the dungeon counts as vandalism and will summon the police eventually. Depending on how evil this idea is supposed to be, adjust the strength of that "police" accordingly. 06:50 jonadab: huh, no specific 4.3.0.3-to-4.3.0.4 changelog in your post?! 06:54 how am I supposed to know whether the samurai was finally un-trashed? :D 07:14 LarienTelrunya: see doc/changelog-fourk.txt in the repo. 07:17 whoa holy shit you added energy randomization? 07:23 even more holy shit, you made unlockable features??? does that mean at the start of the game you only have two roles available? WTF 07:24 and I need to get to the quest as a barbarian to play the samurai??????? 07:25 that somehow reads like "let's see if I can make LarienTelrunya flip out" :P 07:27 jonadab: is that unlockable stuff "feature" actually in the game now?! 07:29 what is energy randomization 07:30 FIQ: the 3.6.0 thing where either your or the monsters' movement speed is slightly randomized 07:30 also, unlockable stuff in Nethack. Seriously. What the fourk??? 07:30 wait did he really add that 07:30 jonadab: you are evil 07:30 according to https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tsadok/nhfourk/4.3.0.4/doc/changelog-fourk.txt he did, though I'm waiting for an official statement 07:30 jonadab: you around? 07:31 * Additional challenge options have been implemented: you can now (subject to unlocking) play a character who is permanently confused, stunned, fumbling, or has permanent greasy fingers, wounded legs, or terrible luck. 07:31 (and a permaconfused character requires you to ascend all roles... yeah right) 07:32 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 07:32 -!- aoei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:32 oh wait, permaconfused requires ascending all races; permastunned (=unplayable I guess) requires ascending all roles 07:33 jonadab: YANI: speedbug mode, where your movement energy decreases for a while until it becomes 1 and monsters get 12 turns for one of yours and then your movement energy becomes a high value for a while. Unlocked by ascending in all of the challenge modes, including permaconfuse and permastun. 07:33 LarienTelrunya: I don't get any result searching for energy randomization 07:34 LarienTelrunya: Unlockables are in bleeding-edge. 07:34 jonadab: holy shit you actually are serious about that stuff 07:35 FIQ: Your current (average) movement rate is now shown in the status area (after M:, because S: was taken for score). Note that how many actions you get on any given turn is now very slightly unpredictable (even if you have normal speed), but it doesn't deviate by very much, and the long term average approaches the expected value. 07:35 Wait, did that get back into the 4.3.0.4 changelog? I am *certain* I moved it to the 4.3.0.5 section back when 4.3.0.4 went save-stable without it. 07:35 jonadab: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tsadok/nhfourk/4.3.0.4/doc/changelog-fourk.txt 07:36 But it's conceivable something in the changelog got confused after the Great RLTiles Cherry-Pick Debacle. 07:36 so does that mean I won't even know which version I am playing, because the changelog lists changes that aren't actually in the game? 07:36 (Moral of the story: don't ever cherry-pick a commit that touches a binary file.) 07:37 LarienTelrunya: I'll look at this and try to sort out the changelog on the master branch, when I get some time. Perhaps Saturday. 07:37 yeah several of these changes sounds like things I haven't seen in .4 07:37 like multiple keys 07:37 Ah, yes. 07:37 but seriously... unlockable things? in Nethack??? 07:37 or achievement unlockables 07:37 I wanted unlockable achievements in .4, but I couldn't get it stable in time. 07:37 The menu code has bugs. 07:38 jonadab: few players will ever be able to play the archeologist in fourk :( 07:38 LarienTelrunya: To my knowledge, nobody has played an Arc in Fourk yet anyway. 07:39 I mean, I've considered achievement unlockables to be an EPI, and never thought anyone would ever actually implement such a thing. Fourk confirmed the new evil variant. 07:39 * FIQ mutters something about scurscumming 07:39 LarienTelrunya: The main goal is to not overwhelm new players with a ton of advanced-player stuff. 07:40 you should then make it possible for a veteran to unlock everything anyway 07:40 ^^ 07:40 either by a configuration option, or something like the konami code 07:40 ^^^^ 07:40 FIQ: I just wanted to suggest the konami code too :P 07:41 Hmm. 07:41 jonadab: pray tell me, did you add the achievement unlockables to test my reaction? Because it seems to me like you did. :P 07:41 I mean, you _can_, and I _do_ for testing on my local build. 07:41 (Unlock everything by creating a file, that is.) 07:41 LarienTelrunya: I don't think you were on IRC yet when I coded it. 07:42 that is not available on server 07:42 FIQ: True. 07:42 wait, you coded that years ago already??? 07:42 I mean, someone could bug the server admin to add a hidden dgamelaunch menu item to do it... 07:42 LarienTelrunya: Over a year ago. 07:43 really??? for me that came out of a clear blue sky 07:43 LarienTelrunya: You weren't looking at the bleeding-edge branch. 07:43 but I was, I just wasn't looking that closely :D 07:43 Build and play it. It'll be fun. 07:45 and, I mean, I am the kind of player that gets turned off massively by that; in fact, Elona has about 80 or so playable races, but only 12 of them are playable when you launch the game for the first time. The first thing I always do is to unlock all the races via the config file. Who has the time to play boring options when the real fun stuff could be available from the start? 07:45 And don't worry if the menu crashes a couple of times, just start the game up again. I'll track down that bug eventually. 07:45 LarienTelrunya: I don't think the unlocked-at-start stuff is boring. 07:46 Barbarian is pretty fun in Fourk, what with master Cleaver and the buffed Heart and all. 07:46 I mean, sure, if you want to unlock permaconfused, you have to do some actual stuff. 07:46 Well, I can play the barbarian or wizard, and only human at that. And if I want to play the best role in the game (well, the would-be-best-if-it-wasn-t-nerfed-to-oblivion) I have to make it all the way to the quest as a barb and probably somehow get past the ridiculous requirement for unlocking it without losing alignment points along the way. 07:47 Barbarian is the easiest role for alignment. All you gotta do is kill things. 07:47 I designed Barbarian as the noob role on purpose. 07:48 Your basic strategy is, "if it moves, hit it with your battle axe". 07:48 That's my general approach to life 07:48 Grasshopper confirmed Barbarian IRL. 07:48 And what strategy do you use if the battle-axe gets cursed in Gehennom? 07:49 LarienTelrunya: #invoke the Heart of Ahrimann. 07:49 Preferably after killing the thing that cursed it. 07:49 ah, you made the heart of ahriman actually useful? 07:49 Yes. 07:49 but the levitation is gone, I guess? 07:49 There are other ways to get levitation. 07:50 Or flying. I brought in amulets of flying from Slash'EM. 07:50 is there a way to tell the battle-axe to only hit one enemy, e.g. if there's several ones with passive attacks and you don't want to eat all that damage in one turn? 07:51 Speaking of flying, I really want to make Valkyrie a race, and convert the role to hoplite (male) / shieldmaiden (female), and let them be human, valkyrie, or dwarf. 07:51 LarienTelrunya: Admittedly, no. 07:51 However, unlike in 3.6, it doesn't hit peacefuls, only hostiles. 07:52 (This makes no flavor sense, but I consider the gameplay aspect more important.) 07:52 hahahahaha valkyrie a race, hahaha (sorry I just had to laugh when reading that :D) 07:52 anyone knows that once you start swinging an axe, you're physically incapable of stopping your swing short at any point 07:52 you just can't stop spinning. 07:52 especially if your skill is high! 07:52 It makes flavor sense. I mean, they have *wings*, in every drawing I've ever seen of one. 07:53 jonadab: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/diablo/images/4/4b/Valka.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20151116160344 07:53 Albeit, sometimes the wings are on their helmet. Which is weird, but. 07:54 LarienTelrunya: https://www.tamrielvault.com/groups/topic/view/group_id/3/topic_id/813 07:55 Complete with obligator battle armor that doesn't cover the belly button, because umm because umm just because. 07:55 valks use their belly buttons to intimidate their opponents 07:56 Ah, that must be it. 07:56 The fact that they come from Valhalla and decide who lives and who dies cannot compete with a belly button for sheer scariness. 07:57 http://womenfighters.tumblr.com/ 07:57 jonadab: I wonder whether they also have wings in the actual SkÜrim. 07:57 like "Oh no I can see her belly button", then, feeling worthless by comparison, gives up 07:58 LarienTelrunya: They have wings in medieval paintings. 07:59 Though sometimes only on their helmets and/or steeds. 07:59 huh, that's weird 07:59 But they consistently *have* them, somewhere. 07:59 but are they actually capable of flight? 07:59 Oh, yes. 07:59 I mean, I could wear wings in real life too, but I wouldn't be able to fly with them :D 08:00 Have you not heard of The Flight of the Valkyries? 08:00 kids wear wings all the time but the only time I ever see them fly is after red cordial 08:01 jonadab: isn't it actually "Ride of the Valkyries"? 08:01 in German "Ritt der Walküren" (not "Flug" :D) 08:10 jonadab: Q: how would a knight get out of negative alignment when the player decides (for whatever reason) to blessed genocide D? 08:11 "Rangers sometimes get points for catching hostiles in traps" wow, seems like they really have to go out of their way to fix their alignment too 08:12 still no specific way for samurai to gain alignment, it seems :( 08:15 sam has it the harshest 08:15 re alignment 08:17 how about "samurai now gains alignment when killing an intelligent foe that is at least level 5, as long as they allowed the opponent to strike at least once in between the player's attacks because of some wierdo bushido code of conduct"? :D 08:18 that makes it similar to bar 08:18 which I think jonadab wanted to avoid 08:19 jonadab beat me to the release announcement 08:19 oh well 08:19 and I see that the constitution loss from cramped hands is still in there too... does it at least give a clear message now that tells you you just lost constitution? 08:20 * LarienTelrunya develops a cramped hand from writing all that commentary :P 08:20 "When chargeable rings are generated, the game now tries even harder than before to avoid +0 ones." <--- if (obj->spe == 0) obj->spe = 1 :P 08:21 fiqhack actually tries even harder 08:21 there is a small chance that it is +0 08:21 very small 08:21 it is usually around 2-5 08:21 or negatively 08:23 jonadab: wuot you removed Sunsword in favor of Trollsbane??? I'd have expected it to be the other way around... 08:27 anyway, gotta go now; I'm curious to see whether the 4.3.0.4 changelog will be replaced by one that actually reflects the stuff in the game :D 08:27 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:28 I was pretty bummed when she started showing up in #hardfought 08:29 ? 08:38 yeah... what shpingrlde? 08:38 K2: Message from shpingrlde at 2017-12-07 01:58 EST: stop (curr...) talking about (...ency), I swear it's triggering the spammoids! 08:38 K2: Message from shpingrlde at 2017-12-07 02:07 EST: there's a pretty awesome feature that the DCSS irc bot can do for people who start a lot of half-finished games, especially if you do it across multiple versions/variants of DCSS. !locate will find all your in-progress savegames and tell you the server and game version/variant so you can go pick them back up 08:38 K2: Message from shpingrlde at 2017-12-07 02:08 EST: might be a big ask considering you and Tangles are still setting the second server up in the first place, but would be super cool to have 08:38 shpingrlde: not a bad idea 08:39 I didn't think it was a complicated sentence, heh 08:39 who are you referring to? 08:40 I liked hardfought before it got full of Larien noise 08:40 it is not hard to parse syntactically 08:40 but the implication is dubious 08:40 ah 08:40 I mean, I still like it, just, less during the window in which she trolls 08:40 yeah that is what I assumed 08:40 then just ignore the users you dont want to see text from 08:40 that you meant 08:43 but yeh, if the IRC bot can't do it, maybe there'd be a way for our /userdata/ folders to show us our saves without letting us download them 08:43 but that !locate command is way cool if it's diable 08:44 FIQ, jonadab - i set the EU server so you can import your .conf files for nh4 based variants from hdf main 08:45 nice :) 08:45 all of them? 08:45 there is 3 08:45 yup 08:45 cool 08:45 keymap curses and fiqhack (for fiqhack) 08:45 yep 08:45 that is it 08:45 etc etc for nh4 and fourk 08:45 fourk is a bit different 08:53 what did 4k do differently? 08:55 fun fact: tungtn quitting nethack development coincides with DT's "antifix" to his bug report of quest artifact theft 08:55 just the naming convention on 2 of the 3 files 08:55 ah 08:56 jonadab: you should suggest ehdf rather than ascrun 08:56 K2: is there a reason there isn't parity in letter choices variant-wise? 08:57 so p syncs 3.4.3, v syncs 3.6.1, etc 08:57 you mean for the rc import? 08:57 oh 08:57 heh, i matches due to sheer coincidence 08:57 :P 08:58 last night i was just concerned with making it work 08:58 abcdefg etc :P 08:58 yeah that is fair 08:58 i still have 5 more variants to compile 08:58 good luck 08:59 thanks for your efforts 08:59 i want to get the remaining nh3 based ones done tonight 08:59 thanks :) 08:59 there's also dyna 08:59 right 08:59 i was going to do dyna last night 09:00 but its been so long since i've compiled it, i wasnt seeing where the file was to set hdf specific settings 09:00 was comparinf build folder hdf main to what i pulled down on eu 09:00 *comparing 09:01 i did find and implement the corridoor fix you provided months ago 09:01 K2: you should probably remove password and email options from ehdf 09:02 nice 09:02 is there any room in the dgl menu for yet another variant? 09:03 say, a couple months from now, maybe 09:03 there is 09:03 barely 09:04 FIQ good call 09:05 shpingrlde: can fit 1 more NH3 variant and 2 more NH4 ones (not both) 09:05 then fitting more would need a redesign of the layout 09:15 !rng sleep3.5hours morecoffee 09:15 shpingrlde: morecoffee 09:22 good bot. 09:22 !coffee 09:22 * Beholder tosses shpingrlde a fifth of Blend 43, conjured by Announcy at 94 degrees Celsius. 09:23 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 09:26 fiq, why does mines 8 have a vampire lord near the stairs 09:26 I think your fiqhack monster difficulty thing is a bit off 09:27 [fh] easy mode activate (rikersan) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 38860 points, T:2536, killed by a watch captain 09:32 rikersan: bones..? 09:36 I didn't see a gravestone, and he would've been pretty close to where the guy was killed? 09:37 I am pretty sure this is variant paranoia, sorry 09:37 I didn't touch difficulty of vampire lords and no other person has complained 09:38 :/ 09:39 -!- rikersan has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:39 that was apparently too much 09:48 -!- Tangles has quit [*.net *.split] 09:48 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [*.net *.split] 09:48 -!- jonadab has quit [*.net *.split] 09:48 -!- honu has quit [*.net *.split] 09:48 -!- Neko-chan has quit [*.net *.split] 09:48 -!- Announcy has quit [*.net *.split] 09:48 -!- Webmant has quit [*.net *.split] 09:48 -!- shpingrlde has quit [*.net *.split] 09:48 -!- APic has quit [*.net *.split] 09:48 -!- aosdict has quit [*.net *.split] 09:48 -!- Mandevil has quit [*.net *.split] 09:48 -!- Menche has quit [*.net *.split] 09:48 -!- bhaak has quit [*.net *.split] 09:48 -!- lorimer has quit [*.net *.split] 09:48 -!- oh6 has quit [*.net *.split] 09:48 -!- dtype has quit [*.net *.split] 09:48 -!- deki has quit [*.net *.split] 09:48 -!- irina|log has quit [*.net *.split] 09:48 -!- hothraxxa has quit [*.net *.split] 09:48 -!- Mekkis has quit [*.net *.split] 09:48 -!- Grasshopper has quit [*.net *.split] 09:48 -!- elenmirie has quit [*.net *.split] 09:48 -!- gamache has quit [*.net *.split] 09:51 [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 8772 points, T:6502, killed by a yeti 09:52 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 09:52 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 09:52 -!- jonadab has joined #hardfought 09:52 -!- honu has joined #hardfought 09:52 -!- Neko-chan has joined #hardfought 09:52 -!- mode/#hardfought [+ov Tangles jonadab] by tolkien.freenode.net 09:54 -!- irina|log has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- deki has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- dtype has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- APic has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- shpingrlde has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- Webmant has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvvv irina|log Grasshopper elenmirie Announcy] by tolkien.freenode.net 09:54 -!- bhaak has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- aosdict has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- Mandevil has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- Mekkis has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- gamache has joined #hardfought 10:03 shpingrlde: can fit 1 more NH3 variant and 2 more NH4 ones (not both) 10:03 so you're saying it's fiddlehack versus xnethack to whoever gets it playable first 10:07 !tell LarienTelrunya: What about if I make Samurai gain alignment by being super low on hitpoints, because of bushido? 10:07 Will do, jonadab! 10:07