00:16 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:16 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 00:21 [fh] 0utrosp3ctive (Luxidream) (Pri Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof magic marker", on T:18437 00:21 [fh] 0utrosp3ctive (Luxidream) (Pri Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:18439 00:25 [fh] 0utrosp3ctive (Luxidream) (Pri Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:18718 00:31 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 00:50 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:00 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 01:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 01:01 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:01 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 01:17 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 01:23 [fh] 0utrosp3ctive (Luxidream) (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 70308 points, T:23905, killed by a horned devil, while paralyzed by a monster's touch 01:35 !tell K2 pushed a fix 01:35 Will do, FIQ! 01:37 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:37 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 01:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 01:46 -!- winny has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:48 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:49 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 01:54 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 01:57 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 01:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 01:58 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:03 -!- Menche has left #hardfought 02:06 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:10 YANI: if you step on a square that contains a cockatrice corpse and you aren't wearing boots, you'll never be able to move to another square again... because you just became a statue. 02:11 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 02:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Announcy] by ChanServ 02:14 -!- bhaak has joined #hardfought 02:28 yo bhaak :) 02:47 -!- Webmant has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:55 [nd] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3708 02:55 flaky internet is flaky 03:04 -!- Desktop has joined #hardfought 03:08 -!- hpardis has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:13 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 03:22 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 04:02 !tell ais523 M doesn't mean #monster at all, it means wizmap 04:02 Will do, FIQ! 04:06 -!- zxkuqyb has joined #hardfought 04:06 hello 04:06 Hello zxkuqyb, Welcome to #hardfought 04:07 sooo, I have a little problem with DynaHack 04:08 it looks either like this https://i.imgur.com/9grpp5h.png or like this https://i.imgur.com/OMoJrvq.png for me 04:08 how can I make it look like this? https://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/images/5/50/Dynahack-more-menu-full.png 04:10 zxkuqyb: what terminal? 04:10 PuTTY 04:10 FIQHack work fine btw 04:10 works* 04:11 create a seperate configuration entry (don't change your defaults, what you are about to do will break everything *except* dynahack) 04:11 then in the new configuration, change to Unicode 04:11 as encoding 04:12 er, that will not break everything, NH4+derivatives will still work, but NH3 will not 04:12 so yeah 04:12 yani - petrification is a contact poison secreted by cockatrices. if you glovelessly touch them, you acquire M1_NOHANDS, frinstance. walk on one, you become immobile when not levitating. but it's not the touch of death, more of a partial Midas 04:13 thanks. I managed to get it working 04:14 just changed the character set to UTF-8 04:14 yes 04:14 but 04:14 as I said 04:14 it breaks NH3's DECgraphics and IBMgraphics 04:14 hence why I suggested a new configuration entry for it 04:16 I mean, I don't mind playing DynaHack for a while 04:17 will cursesgraphics in dnh work for a unicoded putty user? 04:18 there's always https://www.hardfought.org/hterm/ too 04:18 https://i.imgur.com/eM8XobM.png works perfect now 04:18 the infamous luxidream plays on hterm at a library XD 04:25 zxkuqyb: sure, but it's more convenient to have 2 entries 04:25 one for dyna, one for everything else :P 04:26 yeah, I guess I'll do that later. just happy to play it for now 04:27 trying to figure out tourist 04:27 ahh 04:30 btw, watching a vod of mtf playing FIQHack got me back into NH in general 04:31 heh, cool 04:31 and kinda helped to get my first ascension a couple of days ago 04:32 nice :) 04:34 @mtf hangs out in ##nethack-discord and ##nethack-variants 04:34 not this time zone though 04:34 shpingrlde: I don't think so no 04:34 @cursesgraphics 04:35 however, it will work 04:35 once my uncursed switchover is stable enough to be ready for server use 04:35 it kinda is atm 04:35 just I've been finding issues in general with curses 04:35 groovy 04:35 that I've been working on fixing 04:35 (not really tied to uncursed) 04:38 -!- Desktop has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:39 [dyn] Zxkuqyb (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 347 points, T:639, killed by a gnome lord 04:40 that was fast.. 04:41 throw more darts 04:45 is going straight for protection racket a bad idea? 04:53 yes 04:53 although 04:53 playing a healer is tricky in it's own right 04:53 but I still feel like the protection racket is a fools errand 04:54 tourist 04:54 tourist nah 04:54 tourist strong 04:54 tourist powerful 04:54 tourist have camera and credit card 04:54 you mean I should lock doors more often? 04:55 no credit card can only open things 04:55 also, should I quaff those 2 extra healings right away for that +n hp bonus? 04:55 probably not 04:55 since then you wouldn't have them if you were in trouble 04:56 right 04:56 just gain levels 04:56 if you want a HP buffer 04:56 constitution is a tourists favorite stat 04:56 at least pray on T:100 with <=5HP first 04:56 ^ 04:56 your god will give you hp with prayer 04:57 and a tourist starts with food and can afford to hang out at altars a little longer 04:57 the camera is a good tool when you need to run away 04:57 starting with food also means you wont need to do a first food prayer 04:57 which I usually end up needing sometimes 04:57 because I'm slow 04:57 same 04:58 but food rations are "usually" plentiful enough 04:59 noted 05:03 https://i.imgur.com/xiE7eK1.png the what? 05:03 Advent Calendar lol 05:04 dang, that's pretty cool 05:04 [dnh] flump (Kni Hlf Fem Law), 81 points, T:138, killed by a water moccasin 05:13 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:29 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:39 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 05:39 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 05:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 05:40 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 05:44 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse\splat 05:44 -!- raisse\splat is now known as raisse 05:51 [dyn] Zxkuqyb (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2205 points, T:3142, killed by a kobold mummy, while frozen by a monster's gaze 06:01 [dyn] Zxkuqyb (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 35 points, T:204, killed by a jackal 06:10 -!- aeoi has joined #hardfought 06:13 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:01 [dyn] Zxkuqyb (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 3787 points, T:3354, killed by a wand 07:03 255 orcs with wands at mine town :U 07:26 [dyn] Zxkuqyb (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 337 points, T:1317, killed by a dwarf zombie 07:30 [dyn] Zxkuqyb (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 207 points, T:294, killed by a sewer rat 07:44 -!- aeoi has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:27 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:32 [dyn] Zxkuqyb (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2939 points, T:2902, killed by a white unicorn 08:33 died with a wand of wishing on hand 08:33 unID'd, found on mines 2 08:33 :c 08:46 bummer 09:09 [dyn] Zxkuqyb (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 126 points, T:221, killed by a kobold 09:10 [nd] firemonkey (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:11908 09:13 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 09:17 [dyn] Zxkuqyb (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 51 points, T:95, killed by a grid bug 09:17 welp, this is embarrassing.. 09:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:28 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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11:02 [dnh] rikersan (Bin Clk Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2409 11:04 ooh, that would be interesting and possibly a legitimate use of it 11:04 probably the best way to implement it then is to type-id any worthless glass on the level 11:06 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 11:11 err.. where do I get a magic missile spell? 11:11 as a wizard 11:12 you have to find it 11:12 as a spellbook 11:12 dang 11:12 you don't always starting knowing it or anything 11:16 is it at least p common? 11:16 my last two wizards wrote their own 11:17 oh, right. forgot I can write spellbooks 11:17 if i can't find one, i write it as soon as possible. it's that important to me 11:18 wiki has a decent write-up on writing unknown spells and books 11:19 noted. gonna check it out 11:19 i will also write charging and genocide as soon as i can 11:19 zxkuqyp: well, where are you 11:19 if you're only in like the first 10 levels of the dungeon, I wouldn't worry 11:19 when you hit the quest you may want to try to write it 11:20 !whereis zxkuqyb 11:20 rikersan: Zxkuqyb [dyn]: No details available 11:20 I'm not worrying yet :) 11:20 two levels bellow mine town 11:20 oh i see you already have magicbane 11:20 so rikersan is right, you don't need mm yet 11:21 yeah! first sacrifice and bam 11:21 got Magicbane 11:21 I guess that is the sole reason I'm still alive 11:22 also without reflection, mm can be dangerous 11:24 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:25 hi 11:25 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 11:25 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-12-05 01:35 EST: pushed a fix 11:25 FIQhack updated 11:27 -!- StinkyGreene has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:29 [dnh] rikersan (Bin Clk Mal Non), 9950 points, T:6165, killed by a quasit 11:33 *sigh* those gnomes just won't chill.. 11:34 ff 11:35 [dyn] Zxkuqyb (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 6839 points, T:4838, killed by a gnome lord 11:39 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:49 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00 [dyn] Zxkuqyb (Wiz Vam Mal Cha), 1420 points, T:1159, killed by a gnome lord, while fainted from lack of food 12:01 #vampirepeopleproblems 12:02 vamp wiz is my one unnethack ascension. good times, that one. 12:03 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:04 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 12:05 am I doing something wrong or is it always that hard for them to feed on dudes? 12:10 If you're fully clearing a level of easily killable stuff like gnomes in the Mines, you might not want to do that 12:10 coming back up will be hard if everything's dead 12:12 hmm 12:13 I died on a way down tho 12:16 -!- rikersan has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:17 [nd] APic (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:47022 12:17 -!- StinkyGreene has joined #hardfought 12:19 [nd] APic (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:47024 12:32 -!- Webmant has joined #hardfought 12:41 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 12:46 -!- nht has quit [Quit: nht] 12:50 [dyn] Zxkuqyb (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 863 points, T:803, killed by a gnome lord 12:51 gnome lords op. nerf pls 12:53 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:55 -!- zxkuqyb has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:56 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 13:00 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:12 -!- StinkyGreene has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:16 -!- zxkuqyb_ has joined #hardfought 13:35 [nd] firemonkey (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:16957 13:36 [fh] TKirby (tkirby) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 33528 points, T:2694, killed by a blue jelly 13:41 [dyn] Zxkuqyb (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 7036 points, T:2801, killed by a mountain centaur 13:52 [nd] firemonkey (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18003 14:09 [dyn] Zxkuqyb (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2466 points, T:2030, killed by a priestess of Odin 14:13 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 14:15 -!- cosmicweasel has joined #hardfought 14:17 Sup everyone...just started playing...Only died about 100 times so far. Figured I'd start playing on a server, and joined here since yall have UnNethack. I appreciate the service :) Trying to learn with as little spoilers as possible. Any race/class combination you would recommend I get good with first that would be a good segway into other classes 14:17 , i.e. an all around class, like one that is not too hard, but not too much of a handicap? (if there is such a thing in nethack) 14:19 wizard 14:19 (they're squishy to start with but pick up pretty quickly) 14:20 Cool. Yeah I've been switching from Rogue to wizard. I guess one last question...any reason i should not learn on unnethack? I just like its mission statement. Perhaps I should go back to vanilla? 14:20 and wizards can go spells if they find a good book, or daggerthrowy/stabby if they find good armor 14:21 * raisse steps back for someone else to answer that question (I only play variants during junethack) 14:22 Maybe I should just go with vanilla. Don't want to cheat myself out of nuances only vanilla players would understand anyway...maybe form an opinion after I get good with it on variants...seems logical 14:22 if you like Un, play Un. I find the easiest to play, UI wise and reducing typo death, is fiqhack. dnethack, dynahack, nhfourk. shwhatever. 14:22 right on. I appreciate the advice 14:23 there's an #unnethack channel, ##nethack-variants, this room, #NetHack itself 14:24 people talk about almost any variant in any room, or let it go completely silent for hours, but you'll pick up the flavor of each channel if you hang around long enough 14:25 There one that's best for noobs like me to bother people with questions? Not the type to ask many, esp. considering the wiki, but still 14:25 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:26 I don't think people tend to resent questions, as long as you're patient when no one knows the answer or is awake 14:27 the unnethack dev chats in here sometimes, too 14:28 well right of the bat, I can't figure out keys, numpad doesnt work correctly 14:29 O for options, wiki/Options#number pad 14:30 or use vi keys "hjkl yubn" 14:30 -!- cosmicweasel has quit [Quit: *poof*] 14:30 cosmicweasel: Monk can be a good role for a beginner, if you're not trying to win yet, just trying to get further to midgame. It's harder to win than other roles, but the difficulty comes later in the game. 14:30 -!- cosmicweasel has joined #hardfought 14:30 cosmicweasel: Monk can be a good role for a beginner, if you're not trying to win yet, just trying to get further to midgame. It's harder to win than other roles, but the difficulty comes later in the game. 14:30 gotta configure putty differently, nm 14:31 Roles like Samurai and Valkyrie can also lead to success. 14:32 That's insane...been a server admin for almost 20 years and never noticed theres a nethack option in putty... 14:32 cosmicweasel: Ah, Putty. The "NetHack mode" that Putty has is not very good for playing NetHack, ironically. We usually suggest turning it off. 14:32 hmm, so what is the best config? 14:32 or different client? 14:33 Open to any suggestions 14:33 On most OSes, there are better terminals. The major exception is if you're stuck on Windows, in which case Putty or one of its forks (KiTTY, Puttytray) is probably what you're going to end up with. 14:33 shift-o to open the in-game options, scroll down to the number_pad option and turn it on :) 14:33 There's MobaXTerm, but it's way more than just a terminal/ssh client. 14:33 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 14:34 I've heard mobaxterm is easier to deal with 14:34 * jonadab made myself learn hjkl/yubn early on and has not looked back, but numpad mode also works. 14:34 you can also simply play in a browser 14:34 https://www.hardfought.org/hterm/ 14:38 Thaks everyone. 14:39 And yeah I am stuck on windows now...my wife hated my arch desktop 14:39 jonadab: wait, you released .4? 14:39 FIQ: Not yet, but very soon. 14:40 shpingrlde: btw, try disable classic_status on curses if you prefer NH4's statusbar 14:40 Like, day after romorrow. 14:40 *tomorrow 14:40 also, you having messages on the bottom and status on top is trippy 14:40 jonadab: yeah, 7th 14:40 was wondering because you alluded to having released it on your github 14:41 FIQ: top vs bottom is just what you're used to, IMO. Don't think one is actually objectively better than the other. 14:41 FIQ: I did what? 14:41 yeah, I didn't say that 14:41 was (re-)trying to set up a msi install, as an "rc" or whatever to give Discord people for testing 14:41 Trying out moba 14:41 Oh, the .msi instructions. 14:41 yeah 14:41 Right, "This is what I used to build the 4.3.0.4 release... 14:41 that, yeah 14:42 Right, that's anticipatory verbiage. 14:42 btw 14:42 hm, non classic status doesn't show my hp numbers, just a very short bar? 14:42 ld.exe has stopped working 14:42 hooray aimake :P 14:42 shpingrlde: enable hitpointbar 14:42 the fact that it does that for you is a bug that I fixed but hasn't been pushed to server yet 14:42 FIQ: That's a bug in the linker, so ais says. Fortunately it crashes after producing information that aimake needs. 14:43 jonadab: btw, lol 14:43 I was looking into the NH4 windowport 14:43 You mean the nethack/ directory? 14:43 to try to figure out how it deals with hangup during the "your window is too small, fix it" 14:43 window 14:43 Ah. 14:43 the answer is 14:43 it doesn't 14:44 because the window doesn't show up once you started the game 14:44 allowing you to crash the client at this point 14:44 Ah, by resizing your window too small? 14:44 yeah 14:44 That's... interesting. Probably residual Nitro stuff. 14:44 it doesn't instantly crash 14:44 or anything 14:44 but some stuff doesn't work that well in that size 14:44 leading to a crash eventually 14:46 maybe I should start linking hdf/asc in my sharing saturday posts 14:46 hdf, at least 14:46 status bar on top puts things like "hungry" way closer to "front and center" 14:46 ok 14:46 how are you playing dnh 14:46 I can't find you 14:46 or did you stop 14:46 ideally, gaining any kind of negative status would put "floating text" over my head for a second or two but this is nethack ;) 14:46 oooooh! 14:46 change the player's highlight color 14:46 actually 14:47 any negative status = red background color 14:47 the frame is already recolored on major statuses 14:47 hm, maybe I shouldn't disable frames to save space 14:47 I'm still playing dnh on hdf, as far as I can tell 14:47 if you can't find me idk why 14:48 jonadab: so um 14:48 where is the msi? 14:49 http://sprunge.us/eBJH 14:49 after running 14:49 C:\Users\thlju\fh\fiqhack\build>perl ..\aimake --without=server --with=gui --with=playfield_utils --with=tilecompile --with=sourcecode --with=janss 14:51 http://sprunge.us/dUed is the full directory tree of build after the, well, build 14:52 oh I think I know the issue 14:52 FIQ: In the build directory. 14:53 my PATH didn't have the wix thingy 14:53 Ah. 14:53 Yeah, you need that. 14:55 why does the build directory have to be clean? 14:57 is there any reason to save potions of booze especially in DNH? or do you dilute them same as usual? 14:57 you drink them 14:57 to build up alcohol resistance 14:57 which makes you more resistant to confusion and stun 14:58 movement failures 14:58 whaaaa ok 14:58 glad I asked then 14:58 almost turned them into the relatively useless holy water :P 14:58 dnh has a ton of more loot 14:59 it says (three potions per XP level) 14:59 so I'll drink 3 and dilute the other two for now 14:59 got an altar I can pray on 15:01 shpingrlde: so 15:01 where are you playing? 15:01 hdf 15:01 ??? 15:01 you're not in the watch menu 15:01 !who 15:01 FIQ: cosmicweasel [nh] firemonkey [nd] flump [dnh] Oneiron [4k] 15:01 what 15:01 when 15:01 I'm confused 15:01 I'll save I guess 15:02 I see FIQ but nobody else 15:02 are you on hdf-eu 15:02 now flump is there too 15:02 probably due to restart 15:02 but why 15:03 shpingrlde: thanks btw, sorry for the hassle 15:03 dango, options don't persist from game to game 15:03 this is NH3 15:03 you use the rc file 15:03 to change options permanently 15:04 what rc file is that out of curiousity 15:06 uhhh probably yours from jnh or so 15:06 hmm 15:06 that doesn't look like mine 15:07 my rc strives to mimic nh4 15:07 :P 15:08 yasi: someone makes jNetHack, and the abbreviation is jnh, and everyone goes crazy because it's a variant and gets played in junethack and the terms are so confusable 15:10 FIQ: aimake wants to use the build directory as its private memory space. It doesn't want to see things in there it doesn't understand. Gnus is less adamant but sort of the same way about your mail directory (typically, ~/Mail). 15:12 aosdict: why not just make the variant "Junethack" and have done? 15:12 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 15:12 jonadab: this was a directory only previously used by aimake 15:12 FIQ: That should generally be ok. 15:12 Unless you need to do a clean build for some reason. 15:12 The major annoying gotcha is redirecting aimake output to a file in the build dir. 15:13 -!- Announcy has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:14 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 15:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Announcy] by ChanServ 15:14 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:16 [nd] firemonkey (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:19751 15:16 [nd] firemonkey (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:19753 15:21 -!- bhaak has joined #hardfought 15:23 ok now I got an msi 15:23 good 15:24 Ah, good. 15:24 I'm planning to create my final one tomorrow. 15:24 Because I'm off work tomorrow. 15:27 ah 15:27 there are still issues you want to resolve? 15:27 the msi I just created is final unless there are issues encountered that needs to be resolved 15:33 I don't plan on resolving any further issues at this point, no; but I did do a couple of minor changes after the last time I built an .msi 15:33 So I need to rebuild it, ideally. 15:33 ok 15:34 [nh] cosmicweasel (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2238 points, T:1977, killed by a rothe 15:40 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 15:48 [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 90758 points, T:26410, killed by an invisible stalker 15:49 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 15:55 -!- StinkyGreene has joined #hardfought 15:55 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:59 [nd] firemonkey (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:20428 16:00 [nh] cosmicweasel (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 34 points, T:1426, died of starvation 16:03 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 16:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 16:04 [nd] firemonkey (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:20486 16:24 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:27 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 16:29 [nh] cosmicweasel (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 556 points, T:974, killed by a coyote 16:32 [nd] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) averted death, on T:1110 16:34 [nh] cosmicweasel (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 23 points, T:97, killed by an arrow 16:34 [nd] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 761 points, T:1234, killed by a dwarf 16:49 !who 16:49 FIQ: cosmicweasel [nh] firemonkey [nd] elenmirie [nd] flump [dnh] Luxidream [fh] 16:49 shpingrlde: you have gone hiding again :P 16:49 !tell K2 people have mastered cloaking technology, allowing them to hide from the watchful eye of dgl! (why are not all people showing in watchmode?) 16:49 Will do, FIQ! 17:02 !who 17:02 LarienTelrunya: cosmicweasel [nh] firemonkey [nd] elenmirie [nd] flump [dnh] Luxidream [fh] 17:02 now none of them is visible in the watch menu! 17:03 Chris_ANG: you added Charge twice 17:07 aosdict: thanks :) 17:07 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-11-21 02:02 EST: oh, so you can test crashed savegames on the server via VM, nice :) 17:07 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-11-29 12:02 EST: YASI for dnethack: crystal high heels (made of glass). And an artifact version named Cinderella's Slippers. 17:08 [nh] cosmicweasel (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 215 points, T:537, killed by a jackal 17:11 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 17:20 [nh] cosmicweasel (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:20, killed by a gas spore's explosion 17:24 Chris_ANG: you should add the elegy to the fallen, corresponding to +oTurnUndead 17:25 [nh] cosmicweasel (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 134 points, T:213, killed by a boulder 17:26 The primary purpose being to revive pets? 17:26 Yeah. 17:26 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:26 [nh] cosmicweasel (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 8 points, T:21, killed by a goblin 17:28 Could do, yeah. Especially as something that can only be played with the Lyre. 17:30 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:30 I have a proposal somewhere on the wiki for bard stuff, if you're interested. Most of the mechanics are probably too complicated and clunky to add, but there are at least a few more song ideas. 17:44 Found it, I think 17:48 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 17:48 [nh] cosmicweasel (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 949 points, T:2558, killed by a gnome zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 17:51 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:54 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 277 seconds] 18:02 !who 18:02 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-12-05 16:49 EST: people have mastered cloaking technology, allowing them to hide from the watchful eye of dgl! (why are not all people showing in watchmode?) 18:02 K2: cosmicweasel [nh] mightyquinn [sp] flump [dnh] 18:02 yup there's a small issue 18:02 K2: pushed a couple of fh fixes too 18:05 !whereis flump 18:05 Tarmunora_: flump [dnh]: (Brd Hlf Fem Cha) T:9852 The Dungeons of Doom level: 7 18:06 [nh] cosmicweasel (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 873 points, T:1483, died of starvation 18:06 ARRRGG! 18:08 !who 18:08 K2: cosmicweasel [nh] mightyquinn [sp] flump [dnh] 18:08 ok i can see nh343 and dnh 18:08 but not sp 18:10 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 18:11 [nh] cosmicweasel (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 40 points, T:219, killed by a water moccasin, while sleeping 18:12 !who 18:12 K2: cosmicweasel [nh] mightyquinn [sp] flump [dnh] 18:13 !who 18:13 K2: cosmicweasel [nh] mightyquinn [sp] k2 [sp] flump [dnh] 18:13 hmm 18:13 i think i fixed it (incomplete comment out in the dgl conf) 18:14 but mightyquinn will prob have to exit out of dgl and come back in for he/she to show back up on menu 18:14 K2: I see the issue 18:14 the gz compression of ttyrecs 18:14 ah, you found it 18:15 sorry 18:15 np 18:15 if it were the ttyrec compression it would have expressed itself a few days ago 18:15 i was playing with the dgl conf last night 18:15 and i really need to clean it up proper 18:15 well I mean 18:15 I tried to spec lux 18:15 this happened 18:16 : /dgldir/userdata/L/Luxidream/fiqhack/ttyrec/2017-12-05.21:41:09.ttyrec: No such file or directory 18:16 oooooh 18:16 hahahah 18:16 i see why 18:16 is he still on though 18:16 !who 18:16 FIQ: cosmicweasel [nh] mightyquinn [sp] flump [dnh] k2 [nh4] 18:16 i am spectatcting myself no prob 18:16 nope 18:17 probably it is an unrelated issue? 18:17 so when you logout 18:17 but a session still have you in watchmenu 18:17 and tries to watch 18:17 it does that 18:17 here's what it prob is 18:17 since at that point it has been gzipped 18:17 there's a command for each variant at the end of its configuration 18:18 postcommand = exec "/bin/gzip" "%t" 18:18 with %t being the path and name of the ttyrec for that ended session 18:18 however 18:18 i had noticed that dgl was not compressing every ttyrec once the player ended their game 18:19 so i set a crontab to catch the ones dgl missed, once an hour 18:19 mhm 18:19 so what happens 18:19 if an user is playing 18:19 at that point 18:19 so if i am actively playing 18:19 :P 18:19 its gets gzipped 18:19 really what you should do 18:19 is to gzip everything but the last ttyrec 18:20 !who 18:20 K2: cosmicweasel [nh] mightyquinn [sp] flump [dnh] k2 [nh4] 18:20 if the last was modified within the last 65min (dgl idle time + some margin) 18:21 if *.ttyrec is this old or younger, do not compress 18:21 with 'this old' being something like one hour or 4 or 24 or whatever 18:21 for right now i will change the crontab to run once a day instead of once an hour 18:22 for something like 4am my time 18:22 so the odds of catching a ttyrec in progress are very low 18:22 can do that til we implement a better solution as you mentioned 18:22 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 18:24 there done 18:25 FIQhack updated 18:26 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:27 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 18:28 brb 18:30 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:32 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:33 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 18:38 [nh] cosmicweasel (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1208 points, T:1865, killed by a dwarf, while fainted from lack of food 18:51 !who 18:51 K2: cosmicweasel [nh] mightyquinn [sp] pugilist [nd] flump [dnh] 18:53 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 19:03 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 19:04 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:04 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 19:05 !players 19:05 K2: cosmicweasel [nh] mightyquinn [sp] pugilist [nd] flump [dnh] Oneiron [4k] 19:05 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:06 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 19:06 [dnh] flump (Brd Hlf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased partly eaten historic +3 premium heart", on T:12356 19:07 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:09 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 19:09 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:10 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 19:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 19:12 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:13 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:14 [sp] k2 (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 710 points, T:1265, killed by a kitten 19:15 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:21 [nh] cosmicweasel (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3985 points, T:1676, killed by a mumak 19:28 [4k] Saraswati (Oneiron) (Hea Syl Fem Neu) entered the Minetown temple, on T:5945 19:32 [4k] Saraswati (Oneiron) (Hea Syl Fem Neu), 12150 points, T:6044, killed by a Kop Kaptain 19:33 Curious what variant is being developed the most right now, and which is most mature? dNetHack? 19:38 i think FIQhack sees more updates than anything right now 19:39 but every variant we host sees some level of updates, except for 3.4.3 vanilla and dynahack 19:41 grunt and spork? 19:42 curses for grunt has seen some very recent attention, but it isnt on hdf yet 19:42 once that's hashed out, you'll see curses updates for several variants 19:44 [dnh] cosmicweasel (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 668 points, T:837, killed by an iguana 19:46 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 19:57 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:59 [gh] cosmicweasel (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1110 points, T:871, killed by a gnomish lord 20:10 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:14 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:15 cosmicweasel: my vote for most mature variant is probably unnethack, but might be dnethack if we're prioritizing ones that are not mostly inactive 20:15 but yes, FIQhack has the highest velocity of any variant, no question. 20:35 'Talk to whom (lord Carnavon) "To locate the entrance to the Tomb of the Toltec Kings, you must pass many traps."' 20:35 'There is an opulent throne here. You see here a chest. There is a chest here. Check it for traps?' 20:35 'You find a trap on the chest!' For once Lord Carnavon's advice made sense 20:36 the tomb of the toltec kings is so boring 20:36 A lot of the quest levels are pretty bad. 20:36 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 20:37 I mean, having an altar guaranteed coaligned and two other crossaligned ones is really nice 20:37 yeah 20:37 but I really don't like Journey to the Big Square Building in a Field. 20:37 not all roles get even an altar 20:37 ranger quest is the worst 20:38 Grassy: If all roles got the same benefits from their quest, that would harm role differentiation. 20:38 with that stupid spiral forest maze that you can't cut through 20:38 Though an altar of _some_ kind is something every role should have access to, in Minetown or the Valley if nowhere else. 20:38 jonadab: The presence of a coaligned altar makes sense in a lot of quests. 20:38 And yes, Ranger quest home in vanilla is horrific. 20:39 Which is why I talked khoR into redesigning it. 20:39 YASI: after finishing the Priest Quest and getting the Amulet of Yendor, you can go to the Arch Priest and #offer the amulet on his altar to ascend while not even having to bother with any of that icky planes stuff. 20:40 I like khoR's level enough to decide not to redo it again in my quest redesign. 20:41 you can always convert the minetown 20:42 Grassy: Unless it's been destroyed, but that's only possible in bones. 20:42 aosdict, suddenly everyone wants to play priest 20:42 Which, in Fourk, requires you to have set bones to fully enabled, because Minetown is a special level and bones don't load there by default. 20:43 minetown bones are the best 20:43 Yeah, that's why I don't quite like that option. 20:43 I want to have minetown bones, but possibly keep some other levels bones-free. 20:44 Grassy: Minetown bones can be cool, yes; so can Medusa bones, and you don't get those with bones set to "non-special levels only" either. 20:44 Also, sokobones 20:44 Fourk does keep a handful of levels absolutely bones free. 20:44 Most importantly, the levels with the unique items. 20:45 Right. There is no way in Fourk for me to have minetown/medusa/Castle/whatever bones, but NOT sokoban. 20:46 True, I didn't make it granular down to the "I only want to load bones on _these_ special levels, not THOSE ones" level. 20:47 Actually I probably would turn off Castle bones too 20:47 I think Castle might still be on the absolutely bones-free list. Though I might consider changing that. 20:48 I _suppose_ I could make the bones option a bitfield... 1 = main-dungeon special levels, 2 = gehennom special levels, 3 = both of those, 4 = mines special levels, etc. 20:49 But that seems like a lot of work _and_ a good way to needlessly confuse players. 20:49 EPI: bones loading is not negotiable. If bones are available, and the rng rolls yes, you get them, period. And they can occur on any level, including Astral. 20:52 Astral bones might not be half bad if the dead guy did a good job of thinning out the priests and angels... 21:00 jonadab, even if it makes the game unwinnable? 21:01 Grassy: The Evil Patch doesn't care if the game becomes unwinnable. 21:01 Or, at least, the Evil Patch doesn't _mind_ if the game becomes unwinnable. 21:02 there are ways around it 21:02 eg Vlad uses cursed teleport to leave his level, and player dies. You get bones 21:02 where is the candelabrum? 21:02 Sure, that could happen. 21:03 you could make it that Vlad *always* appears on the level with candelabrum, regardless 21:03 Or a player could destroy or convert the altars on Astral. 21:03 (Actually, not sure if high altars can be converted.) 21:03 I think they might be indestructible too 21:04 so is the altar in the Sanctum 21:04 (I've tried to destroy it before) 21:04 I thought there was a way. 21:04 But I don't remember how. 21:09 There was a Dudley strip I read today where he offers the Amulet to Moloch (pre-3.6) and got the message "An invisible choir chants in Latin, and you are bathed in darkness..." 21:10 Think it would be a good addition to the current messages that happen when you offer to Moloch? 21:12 Heh. I don't actually know what happens if you do that, but maybe. 21:13 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 21:14 [dnh] Luxidream (Dnb-Nob Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 speed boots", on T:66326 21:20 jonadab: Currently, it is "You offer the Amulet of Yendor to Moloch... Moloch shrugs and retains dominion over , then mercilessly snuffs out your life." 21:20 The choir and darkness would be between these two messages. 21:21 [dnh] Luxidream (Dnb-Nob Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 quicksilver", on T:67255 21:26 [gh] arnibald (Pri Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:6993 21:27 Oh wow +3 Hawaiian shirt. I even like the coconut trees! 21:45 [dnh] Luxidream (Dnb-Nob Dwa Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed potions of full healing", on T:68755 21:50 [dnh] Luxidream (Dnb-Nob Dwa Mal Law) averted death, on T:68912 21:53 -!- Manaflare has joined #hardfought 21:55 [un] Luxidream (Con Orc Mal Cha), 2150 points, T:2213, quit 21:56 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 22:00 -!- Kontroll1r has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:01 and nothing happens if you sacrifice the fake amulet to moloch? 22:02 aosdict: Ah, yes, that fits reasonably well. 22:02 Though perhaps Latin should be replaced with a pantheon-specific language. 22:02 e.g. Greek if you are a healer. 22:03 Nahuatl if you are an Archeologist, etc. 22:04 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:05 Black Speech if you are hallucinating :-) 22:07 what about knights, aren't those from english folklore 22:07 [un] Luxidream (Kni Hum Mal Law), 943 points, T:1451, killed by a gnomish wizard 22:07 well they're from english _reality_, and lots of europe as well 22:07 or irish 22:08 it's not like they existed only in stories :P 22:12 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 22:15 Menche: Apparently for knights it would be Celtic. 22:16 aosdict: The version of Knights that you find in NetHack are clearly from fiction more than from reality. 22:27 !who 22:27 K2: Eleven [nd] Leggman [nd] cosmicweasel [fh] arnibald [gh] 22:30 !who 22:30 K2: Eleven [nd] Leggman [nd] cosmicweasel [fh] arnibald [gh] 22:30 alrighty 22:36 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:34 [fh] e^pi(i)flower (Luxidream) (Tou Gno Mal Neu) killed the ghost of TKirby, the former Conjurer, on T:6932 23:41 [dyn] Zxkuqyb (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4917 points, T:2782, killed by a vampire lord 23:49 -!- Manaflare has quit [Quit: Leaving]