00:20 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:25 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 00:25 !tell dtype yup, done done with it. i've backed up all of the userdata 00:25 K2: Message from dtype at 2017-12-02 20:35 EST: last shot. Anything else you need from e6? I'm not planning on backing it up before terminating it with prejudice. 00:25 Will do, K2! 00:27 [fh] Orc-Paper-Scissors-Lizard-Spock (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:32869 00:30 [fh] Orc-Paper-Scissors-Lizard-Spock (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) wished for "2 cursed potions of gain level", on T:32977 00:38 -!- Crawldragon has joined #hardfought 00:45 [fh] Orc-Paper-Scissors-Lizard-Spock (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:34390 00:49 [fh] Orc-Paper-Scissors-Lizard-Spock (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) reached the Astral Plane, on T:34630 00:52 [fh] Orc-Paper-Scissors-Lizard-Spock (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 263174 points, T:34674, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-12-03%2005%3A52%3A16%2C%20Orc-Paper-Scissors-Lizard-Spock-Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha%2C%20ascended.txt 00:57 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:58 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [SeaMonkey 2.49.1/20171016030418]] 01:01 -!- Crawldragon has joined #hardfought 01:03 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:03 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:04 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 01:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 01:10 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [SeaMonkey 2.49.1/20171016030418]] 01:34 -!- Menche has left #hardfought 01:35 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 01:52 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 02:10 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:10 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:21 [dnh] Tangles (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1981 02:32 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 02:59 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 03:25 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 03:34 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:04 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:10 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:51 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:53 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 04:56 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 04:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 05:13 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 05:40 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 05:45 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:45 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 05:53 -!- hpardis has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:27 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 06:35 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 07:07 aosdict: |New msgtype intended to be even stronger than msgtype:stop, perhaps called msgtype:paranoid. Requires the user to type "yes" before continuing. 07:07 NH4 has this, kind of -- force-tab 07:08 and tab isn't something you press by accident 07:10 * Wand of charging: non-directional wand that uncursed-charges an item in inventory. Will explode if someone tries to recharge it. Cannot be used to blessed-identify things in any way. 07:10 I wouldn't expect it to identify things 07:17 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:38 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Quit: Some folks are wise, and some otherwise.] 08:08 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 08:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 08:18 [nd] Terumasa (Val Hum Fem Law), 563 points, T:2743, killed by a kobold mummy, while frozen by a monster's gaze 08:24 [nd] Raisse (Arc Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping an uncursed +2 bullwhip on an altar, on T:3731 08:41 pff, only dropped that on the altar because I accidentally dropped everything instead of only the untested stuff 09:12 [dnh] Tangles (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:10522 09:18 raisse: no better way to find God than with a whip 09:45 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 10:11 !who 10:11 Tarmunora_: Eleven [nd] 10:15 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 10:28 [nd] firemonkey (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:13144 10:38 [nd] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a newt corpse, on T:3016 11:02 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 11:27 FIQ: that should read "blessed-charge" 11:32 [nd] Raisse (Arc Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4261 11:45 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:49 -!- Mandevil\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:50 -!- Mandevil\splat has joined #hardfought 11:54 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:57 [dyn] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 6702 points, T:4650, killed by a giant mimic 12:05 [nd] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:2867 12:06 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 12:06 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 12:09 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:24 [nd] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 7970 points, T:5463, killed by a pony 12:49 jonadab: don't think I ever linked this, but was working on a simple algorithm to sort-of-randomize scroll labels, and would be interested to hear in what you think 12:49 https://github.com/copperwater/xnethack-extras/tree/master/scroll_randomizing 12:50 (algorithm is basically: take sorted list of labels, randomly swap a pair of them N times, then attach the list of scrolls sorted in ascending price order to the shuffled label list) 12:57 aosdict: You know the game already has an appearance shuffling algorith, right? 12:58 How does this one improve on it? 13:05 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 13:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 13:07 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08 jonadab: to make scroll labels generally (but not reliably) correspond to price. 13:08 To encourage people to use scrolls earlier, particularly identify, without having to price ID. 13:14 -!- Elronnd has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:14 -!- khoR has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:14 aosdict: Ah. 13:14 Hmm. 13:14 Honestly, if it's unreliable, I wouldn't do it. 13:14 (As a player, I mean.) 13:14 -!- khoR has joined #hardfought 13:16 -!- earenndil has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.3+deb1 - http://znc.in] 13:17 -!- Elronnd has joined #hardfought 13:18 -!- Elronnd is now known as earenndil 13:19 jonadab: the chance of a scroll with 5 letters being, say, fire should be quite low though. 13:20 And you can control how reliable it is with N. 13:21 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 13:21 With N ~= 500, it will usually be fairly jumbled but still kind of reliable, with N = 200 it's pretty well correlated. 13:22 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 13:31 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 13:31 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:33 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 13:35 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:51 [fh] Djinn Kazama (Luxidream) (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 55757 points, T:13248, killed by an Elvenking's magical blast 13:57 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 13:58 fiq: how do I start a fiqhack game w/ a wand of wishing? 13:58 for testing purposes 13:59 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 13:59 ah, explore mode 13:59 [fh] test wiz please ignore (rikerw) (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:1 13:59 [fh] test wiz please ignore (rikerw) (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +0 long sword", on T:2 14:01 -!- rikersan has quit [Client Quit] 14:03 yeah 14:28 [nd] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3492 14:39 [nd] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Law), 6182 points, T:4334, killed by a gargoyle, while dressing up 14:43 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:02 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 15:10 [nd] pugilist (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 15033 points, T:7846, quit 15:18 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 15:19 -!- rikersan has quit [Client Quit] 15:27 [nd] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1673 15:27 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 15:34 -!- rikersan has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:53 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:00 [nd] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 frost brand", on T:3948 16:15 [nd] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5741 16:16 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 16:18 [nd] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 1526 points, T:10381, killed by a water demon 16:20 [dnh] Twomunora (Con Orc Mal Cha) was given Stormhelm, on T:31653 16:25 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 16:31 [dnh] Twomunora (Con Orc Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:32214 16:31 YANI: the fireball spell's un-advanced form creates a single fire explosion, rather than a ray that explodes. This makes it so your target doesn't have to be in one of the 8 directions. 16:35 aosdict: If monsters can cast that at you, it nerfs reflection. (This could be a good thing.) 16:35 I was thinking about the wands balance patch, and how it adds more effects overall but also merges the various sources of those effects 16:36 and I'm not sure that merging sources is really that good of a thing 16:36 Not sure what you mean by merging sources, unless you mean the horrible horrible hack that is the buzz code, which is inherited from 3.x 16:37 Wherein the first argument to the function tells you A) whether it's the player or the monster doing it, B) whether it's a wand or a spell or what, and C) what element type it is, all in one variable. 16:37 One _integer_ variable, not a struct. 16:38 I mean that a wand is a spell is a dragon breath, and the effects are the same. Then the actual effect is determined on a 1-5 scale for skill level. 16:39 That's inherited from 3.x 16:39 FIQ didn't merge them, he just didn't de-merge them yet. 16:41 jonadab: the first thing fiqhack does in the function 16:41 This came from me thinking about spell balance, and how the spell of turn undead would really do better as a low-level classic turn undead spell, and a high-level resurrection spell, without bundling those effects. But there's currently no way to unbundle them. 16:41 is create sane representations of that parameter 16:41 and then never uses it again 16:42 aosdict: Wait, that's a different section of code entirely. 16:42 (Turn undead isn't a ray. It might be a beam, not sure.) 16:43 It's a beam, yes. 16:43 resurrection, level 7 healing? 16:43 Aren't beams handled by the same code path as thrown weapons? 16:43 FIQ: Makes sense. 16:43 FIQ: it's more of a clerical domain 16:44 aosdict: like healing spells in general? 16:44 most of the clerical spells in vanilla are not really healing spells 16:45 aosdict: That's because "healing" is its own spell school. 16:45 Probably because healer is a separate role from priest. 16:47 [fh] noty (Ran Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed spellbook of identify", on T:35171 16:50 -!- aosdict has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:50 jonadab: on dec 7, is MC going to be "goes up to 5" style, or removed? 16:55 -!- aosdict has joined #hardfought 16:56 if goes up to 5, displaying it in the status bar a la movespeed would be hugely appreciated 16:56 [nd] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:9536 17:24 [dnh] Twomunora (Con Orc Mal Cha) was given the Marauder's Map, on T:34529 17:26 [dnh] Twomunora (Con Orc Mal Cha) became the Glory of Arioch, on T:34617 17:27 -!- shpingrlde has left #hardfought 17:32 [nd] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:12495 17:36 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 17:39 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 17:39 -!- tolkien.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org ¤ /dev/null/nethack tribute tournament has officially ended, thank you everyone who played!! 17:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 17:42 !players 17:42 K2: dgoddard [nd] pugilist [nd] Eleven [nd] Delraven [dn36] Twomunora [dnh] k2 [slex] noty [fh] 17:42 ok there 17:42 oversight on my part why !players wasnt working for slex (was still looking for 2.0.9 games) 17:43 !whereis k2 17:43 K2: k2 [slex]: No details available 17:45 -!- shpingrlde has joined #hardfought 17:46 [fh] noty (Ran Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:36859 17:54 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 17:55 [nd] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:13770 17:56 -!- rikersan has quit [Client Quit] 17:59 jonadab: there's two ways I think I might want to take spells, one is revamping scaling with skill level, the other is breaking out advanced spells into actual separate forms 17:59 wondering if I should do a dual approach 18:20 something interesting happened the other day 18:20 i got BoH and reflection in the mines 18:20 actually 2 BoH, one on bones and one in a shop 18:25 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 18:31 -!- rikersan has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:31 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 18:33 !tell K2 Mind taking a look into my (Twomunora) dNethack game? 18:33 Will do, Tarmunora_! 18:33 what happened? 18:33 K2: Message from Tarmunora_ at 2017-12-03 18:33 EST: Mind taking a look into my (Twomunora) dNethack game? 18:34 Couldn't terminate one of your stale dnh3151 processes gracefully. 18:34 Force its termination? [yn] 18:34 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 18:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 18:35 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:35 After recovering from a a failed save 18:35 hmm 18:35 ok 18:36 Which button should I press? 18:37 nothing yet 18:37 one sec 18:37 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:38 go ahead and answer yes 18:39 It recovered, thanks! 18:39 heh i didnt really do anything. there weren't any game files active, i just made sure your save was backed up properly 18:39 but i am glad it recovered ;) 18:46 ok dinner time bbl 18:51 [nd] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Law), 2210 points, T:2761, killed by a rabid rat 19:05 shpingrlde: The 4.3.0.4 branch is not accepting those kinds of changes at this point, because it is VERY late in the dev cycle. 19:08 ah. and .5 is no MC, so no reason to bother? 19:08 That is the current thinking, yes. 19:09 how long after releasing .3, did .4 changes start to show up on hdf? 19:09 There was no hdf back then. 19:09 ascrun, then :P 19:09 Also, .3 was never released. 19:10 ah 19:10 I would _like_, ideally, to have .5 save-stable and ready to merge to the master branch, thus, appropriate for servers, sometime in the summer of 2018. 19:10 (But it definitely won't happen before the end of June.) 19:12 There will probably be some changes on the master branch ad interim. 19:12 But nothing save-breaking or disruptive. 19:32 do you worry at all about "spoilers" in fourk? 19:32 shpingrlde: Enough that I created an automatic spoiler generator. 19:32 something like http://sprunge.us/RZLF , frinstance. would "spoil" the mechanic, but only for people who already know how to donate for protection 19:33 Oh, that sort of thing. If it can be deduced by reading the source code, I don't consider it an information leak. 19:33 (The vanilla Dev Team feels differently about this.) 19:36 [nd] pugilist (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:9178 19:38 I _do_ care about (avoiding) leaking out information the player character doesn't know, which is not hardcoded in the source, such as with the bug fixed in commit b7e3de413d96d. 19:41 warning was saying what the monster is? 19:50 On farlook, it was, yes. 20:24 if you used : 20:24 to get more info 20:28 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 20:56 -!- Webmant has joined #hardfought 20:57 hello all 21:00 Hello Webmant, Welcome to #hardfought 21:01 ive been here from time to time 21:01 just lurk 21:01 so where has the discussions regarding a new NetHack tournament for November been occurring? 21:01 I figure it would be nice to contribute 21:01 Probably here. 21:02 huh 21:03 hi 21:03 Hello realinari, Welcome to #hardfought 21:04 hi 21:04 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 21:04 * K2 pets beholder 21:05 !tell LarienTelrunya using !players or !who works for slex now 21:05 Will do, K2! 21:10 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 21:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 21:12 Webmant - here is definitely a good place 21:12 i should start a thread on the hardfought messageboard 21:12 that rarely gets used anymore 21:12 i should make an account haha 21:13 but it would be a good place to log ideas and discuss and keep a running discussion anyone can reference 21:13 Last post: 21:13 Re: The Witcher 3 21:13 by K2 View the latest post 21:13 May 23rd, 2015 at 1:18 am 21:13 haha 21:13 Re: Frozen Synapse 21:13 by K2 View the latest post 21:13 Jun 27th, 2011 at 11:13 am 21:13 in that subforum yeah 21:13 Re: DirectX End-User Runtimes… 21:13 by K2 View the latest post 21:13 Feb 11th, 2010 at 8:14 am 21:13 ouch 21:13 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:14 yes some of the subforums havent been posted to in years 21:15 what you cant see are some 10000+ posts that have been archived (private subforums) 21:15 nice 21:15 and then of course over 41k posts in the general forum alone 21:15 but yeah, most of the messageboard traffic was way back when hardfought was new 21:17 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 21:22 we should hark back to nethack's origins 21:22 don't use a forum, make a bbs 21:22 -!- Voltara has quit [Quit: Changing server] 21:50 heh 21:56 shpingrlde: Actually, didn't NetHack originate on usenet? 21:56 heck if I know 21:57 I think it's named NetHack because people who only knew each other on usenet got together and worked on what had been Hack. 21:57 I tried to check out usenet earlier today with seamonkey but you need to have an account 21:57 ah, that makes sense 21:58 Yes, it used to be that all ISPs offered an nntp server. 21:58 And then sometime around 2005 or so, they suddenly all stopped. 21:58 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 21:59 It was about the same time they stopped shipping out install disks. 22:00 (Because by then, all operating systems included a TCP/IP stack and a web browser.) 22:00 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 22:01 -!- Kontroll1r has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:02 do you know a rebase equivalent to 'git commit --patch' 22:03 in order to go back through my commits and throw out all my own "last modified by" hunks and keep the remaining hunks 22:16 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 22:20 trying this out: git rebase -i && git reset HEAD~ && git commit --patch 22:26 hm. HEAD~ tries to undo the *previous* commit, but just HEAD doesn't unstage anything 22:28 just curious, why do you guys still use IRC? 22:28 Privacy? 22:30 it just works, seen many other chat programs rise and fall, etc 22:31 Makes sense 22:31 complete control over look and feel, client-side scripting options, wealth of bot frameworks 22:31 almost every topic I'm interested in has a room on freenode- coding, games, distros, DEs 22:32 the roguelikes server has maybe 3 rooms I'm interested in, and an awful lot of awful noise leaking out of #general and #offtopic 22:33 you can mute those channels and hide them 22:42 yeah, that helps 22:43 I think I got it unstaging and committing --patch style, but the commit message is lost 22:50 -!- hpardis has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:54 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 22:54 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:55 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 22:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 22:55 both chat clients have their use. new players tend to find reddit/discord, people who know what they're doing tend to be on IRC. FIQhack wouldn't be nearly as popular without Discord 22:55 with the bridge I can enjoy the fruits of the discord community without having to spend the bandwidth/RAM on it :D 22:56 used to use the web client quite a bit before the bridge was running 23:07 looks like the solution is to do: 'git rebase -i' on a clean branch (pure fiqhack, none of my commits) 23:08 paste in all the hashes and set them to (e)dit 23:08 then for each commit, git reset HEAD~ && git commit -p -c (hash for this commit) 23:09 probably a way to pass the correct hash to -c programmatically but idk what it is, pasting manually works well enough 23:21 -!- Menche has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 23:44 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 23:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 23:47 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]