00:14 DIED: Leggman (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 9218 points, 10388 turns, killed by a gnome, while praying on hardfought 00:40 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 00:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 00:59 DIED: fatty (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 411 points, 437 turns, killed by touching Sting on hardfought 01:05 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:08 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 01:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 01:08 DIED: fatty (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1231 points, 1290 turns, killed by sitting on an iron spike on hardfought 01:10 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:24 -!- mcnick has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:25 DIED: fatty (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1018 points, 1951 turns, killed by a contact-poisoned spellbook on hardfought 01:28 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 01:29 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 01:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 01:31 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 4832 points, 3514 turns, killed by an orc-captain on hdf-au 01:33 ASCENDED: jonathanhanes (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 3492358 points, 51016 turns, ascended on hardfought 01:33 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/j/jonathanhanes/dn36/dumplog/1511121579.dn36.txt 01:35 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 3412 points, 3248 turns, killed by a giant bat on hdf-eu 01:35 TROPHY: jonathanhanes now holds the Highest Scored Tourist 01:38 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 295 points, 1107 turns, killed by a boulder on hdf-eu 01:38 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 20 points, 116 turns, killed by a sewer rat on hdf-eu 01:39 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Disconnected] 01:40 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 316 points, 374 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt on hdf-eu 01:41 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 294 points, 235 turns, killed by a sewer rat on hdf-eu 01:42 just wanna say thanks to K2 and tangles and everyone else involved for putting this tournament together 01:42 it has been a blast and i'm glad i could partake 01:44 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:45 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 180 points, 784 turns, killed by a small mimic on hdf-eu 01:45 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 01:46 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 122 points, 364 turns, killed by a fox on hdf-eu 01:48 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 742 points, 661 turns, poisoned by a little dart on hdf-eu 01:54 DIED: fatty (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 4230 points, 3690 turns, poisoned by Juiblex on hardfought 02:05 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 3754 points, 2731 turns, killed by a killer bee on hdf-eu 02:14 DIED: fatty (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1968 points, 1706 turns, killed by a black naga hatchling on hardfought 02:29 -!- noty has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:34 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 02:58 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 456 points, 522 turns, killed by a dwarf on hdf-eu 02:59 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 144 points, 73 turns, killed by a water moccasin on hdf-eu 03:05 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 470 points, 3106 turns, killed by a gecko on hdf-eu 03:14 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 03:28 DIED: chuggy (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 2720 points, 2330 turns, killed by a wand on hdf-eu 03:29 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 5016 points, 3016 turns, killed by a giant beetle on hdf-eu 03:30 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 222 points, 379 turns, killed by a large mimic on hdf-eu 03:32 -!- Desktop has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:37 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 4863 points, 1437 turns, killed by a gnome lord on hdf-au 03:40 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1713 points, 2279 turns, killed by a gecko, while praying on hdf-eu 03:41 -!- Webmant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:07 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 04:11 YASI: the server tracks how often the pacman challenge has been completed over the course of the tournament, and once that counter reaches 255, all future players who attempt to do the challenge get a kill screen. 04:15 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 212 points, 274 turns, killed by a hobbit on hdf-eu 04:17 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 604 points, 690 turns, killed by a coyote on hdf-eu 04:17 also, what happens if a player accidentally perma-ignores a challenge? will the server administrator say "your own fault, too late to go back now"? 04:21 YASI: bobble hats in regular nethack. They give 10 points of AC, autocurse when being put on, and cause the stun status effect until removed. 04:23 DIED: chuggy (Bar-Orc-Fem-Cha), 36757 points, 4496 turns, killed by a vampire on hdf-eu 04:30 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry for my connection] 04:30 LarienTelrunya: ask K2 04:31 heh, it didn't actually happen, I'm just wondering 04:37 EPI: if you use the pay command in a shop while not holding unpaid items, you'll pay for items that are actually your own, and there is no confirmation; you push the button, there goes your gold. Because EPI. 04:53 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 849 points, 2026 turns, killed by a kitten on hdf-eu 04:53 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 59 points, 66 turns, killed by a boiling potion on hdf-eu 04:53 YASI: when you've fallen in a pit and are trying to get out, nearby hostile monsters can try to stomp your hands, making it take more turns until you can finally free yourself from the pit. 04:54 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 6 points, 49 turns, killed by a newt on hdf-eu 04:54 Bonus YASI: if the pit has spikes, it can cause you to take spike and poison damage again. 04:55 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:27 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 4796 points, 3319 turns, killed by a soldier ant, while praying on hdf-au 06:04 DIED: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 25986 points, 9985 turns, killed by a fire elemental on hdf-eu 06:21 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 06:35 YASI/EPI: breath control helmet. Allows the player to get results similar to foocubus encounters without requiring an actual foocubus, but has a chance of killing the player by way of asphyxiation. 06:37 YASI: helm of blindness. "As you put on the helm, you realize that it covers your eyes. You can't see a thing with this on!" 06:38 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 5607 points, 5071 turns, killed by an owlbear on hdf-eu 06:58 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2964 points, 2640 turns, killed by a fire ant on hdf-au 07:03 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:11 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:13 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 07:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v hothraxxa] by ChanServ 07:20 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 6222 points, 7457 turns, killed by a white unicorn on hdf-eu 07:21 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 174 points, 227 turns, killed by a bat on hdf-eu 07:38 DIED: k2 (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2462 points, 1257 turns, killed by a gnome lord on hardfought 07:43 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 07:57 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 07:57 -!- aoei is now known as aoei\splat 08:04 DIED: aoei (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 864 points, 299 turns, killed by a gnome lord on hdf-eu 08:07 -!- khoR has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:07 -!- Elronnd has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:10 DIED: aoei (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 152 points, 358 turns, killed by a boiling potion on hdf-eu 08:11 -!- Elronnd has joined #hardfought 08:14 DIED: k2 (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 3761 points, 4090 turns, killed by a mumak on hardfought 08:22 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 2063 points, 2748 turns, killed by a monkey, while frozen by a potion on hdf-eu 08:28 -!- khoR has joined #hardfought 08:32 DIED: aoei (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1290 points, 1307 turns, killed by a jaguar on hdf-eu 08:32 YANI: the Castle or whatever the Dungeons of Doom endpoint is a midpoint where the powers of your god and Moloch are relatively equal. Prayer works here, but it is not reliable. 08:39 DIED: aoei (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1365 points, 725 turns, killed by a Mordor orc on hdf-eu 08:40 aosdict: same with votd? 08:41 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 08:41 Nah, that's firmly within Moloch's sphere of influence. 08:41 ok 08:42 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1453 points, 1531 turns, killed by a gnome king on hdf-au 08:47 YANI: if you are not reflecting and get hit with something reflectable, and prayer timeout is 0, your god may intervene, increasing timeout by a small amount. "But it reflects somehow!" 08:56 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 08:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 08:59 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1730 points, 1549 turns, killed by an Uruk-hai on hdf-au 09:00 DIED: k2 (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2320 points, 1672 turns, killed by a gnome king on hardfought 09:03 -!- aoei\splat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:05 -!- zjmc_ has joined #hardfought 09:06 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 319 points, 445 turns, killed by a gnome on hdf-au 09:11 -!- aoei\splat has joined #hardfought 09:14 jonadab: did you have a YANI for valkyries draining life at some point? I have a reference to it, but can't find the idea itself. 09:14 -!- puck1 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0-dev] 09:15 DIED: jmcunx (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 357 points, 826 turns, killed by a bat on hardfought 09:20 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1017 points, 1158 turns, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs on hdf-au 09:24 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 09:44 -!- deadnoob has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:45 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 09:47 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1444 points, 2042 turns, killed by an ape on hdf-au 09:56 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 433 points, 543 turns, killed by a gnome on hdf-au 10:03 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1200 points, 1749 turns, killed by a gray ooze on hdf-eu 10:04 -!- Webmant has joined #hardfought 10:09 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:10 -!- Webmant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:11 DIED: Bugpowder (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 3187 points, 3173 turns, killed by a soldier ant on altorg 10:26 DIED: Bugpowder (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 809 points, 1465 turns, killed by a hobbit, while frozen by a monster's gaze on altorg 10:31 CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Glord accepted the Joust challenge. 10:32 aosdict: I have no memory of that. 10:36 -!- puck1 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0-dev] 10:37 -!- Webmant has joined #hardfought 10:47 DIED: Luxidream (Ran-Hum-Fem-Neu), 870 points, 2745 turns, killed by a wererat on hardfought 10:47 DIED: eitwinston (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1185 points, 2197 turns, killed by an iguana on hardfought 10:53 DIED: jmcunx (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 622 points, 3323 turns, killed by a bat, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hardfought 11:02 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 11:03 DIED: Luxidream (Ran-Hum-Mal-Neu), 404 points, 1733 turns, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping on hardfought 11:04 DIED: Luxidream (Ran-Hum-Mal-Neu), 8 points, 42 turns, killed by a sewer rat on hardfought 11:12 aosdict: that as shpingrlde 11:12 *was 11:17 DIED: Luxidream (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1415 points, 1537 turns, killed by a rothe on hardfought 11:40 DIED: aoei (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1209 points, 841 turns, killed by an orc zombie, while fainted from lack of food on hdf-eu 11:43 Happy Thanksgiving to all who are celebrating it today 12:06 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 39516 points, 2736 turns, killed by a zruty on hardfought 12:12 -!- mcnick has joined #hardfought 12:13 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 12:17 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 12:18 Thanks k2, same to you 12:23 FIQ: well I still don't know where to find it 12:23 K2: Today I am thankful for you hosting such a great server and great tournament :) 12:25 greqrg o/ 12:25 aosdict: thanks! team effort though 12:26 \o 12:27 Yeah I've been enjoying the Devnull tribute tournament a lot, thanks for putting this together guys :) 12:28 ^^ Tangles Mandevil\splat 12:28 i have yet to get an ascension :P 12:28 by god i will before it ends 12:29 I snuck one in last weekend, hopefully I can get another in by the end of this weekend 12:31 lost my chance for Birdie WBO though 12:32 :/ 12:32 It happens, figured I'd try 12:33 ran into a giant bat at level 2 with no escape items and an Elbereth that does nothing to monsters in corridors 12:37 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 3956 points, 1941 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning on hardfought 12:40 DIED: deki (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 268 points, 502 turns, killed by a bat on hdf-eu 12:40 i highly doubt i'll see w/ bells on 12:40 i've only ever streaked twice in my life 12:40 short-lived 12:44 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 779 points, 751 turns, killed by a dwarf on hardfought 12:45 I get them every once in a while 12:45 You can get unlucky and lose it easily in the early game though, I'm not convinced optimal play can 100% avoid all deaths 12:46 DIED: aoei (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 4678 points, 426 turns, killed by a dwarvish spear on hdf-eu 12:46 I actually have a 3-game streak active still from Junethack 2016 on NAO 12:53 DIED: deki (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1814 points, 2598 turns, killed by a bugbear on hdf-eu 12:57 -!- rikersan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 13:00 greqrg: You can add the bells still. 13:01 If you manage two consequent games with different genders. 13:01 I know, I'm just not sure if I'll have time to streak again 13:01 Yeah, time's getting short 13:01 * Mandevil\splat has Birdie WBO in the works. 13:01 I figured that was the best opportunity to take a stab at it 13:01 oooh, good luck! 13:02 greqrg: I found wand of wishing on dlvl 3. 13:02 greqrg: That's all the luck I could have ever wanted. 13:02 ha, yeah 13:02 wooo! 13:02 you've got this 13:02 Also got a throne wish. 13:13 DIED: spontiff (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 450 points, 6691 turns, killed by a water demon on hdf-eu 13:15 -!- Tarmunora_ is now known as Tarmunoraway 13:17 DIED: Glord (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 1014 points, 1434 turns, killed by a gnome lord on hardfought 13:23 -!- puck1 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0-dev] 13:24 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 13:29 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 949 points, 1999 turns, killed by a rock mole on hdf-eu 13:31 DIED: Glord (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 443 points, 983 turns, killed by a large kobold, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hardfought 13:31 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 13:32 QUIT: aoei (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1146 points, 690 turns, quit on hdf-eu 13:32 K2: Tangles: Mandevil\splat: yeah, I'm not sure if I said it, but I appreciate what you guys have all done. This tournament I have really tried to give it a serious go (unlike earlier years), being the possibly last time and all, and it has been fun overall :) 13:34 good you enjoyed it. 13:39 I like the sillier trophy titles. the challenges are fun too 13:39 i would murder ten human babies for a curses inter-MORE- 13:39 face 13:40 shpingrlde: I have been doing some work on it recently 13:40 the goal is to make it robust enough, and stable and nice, to submit to the devteam as a windowport 13:41 what I've been doing lately is switch to the libuncursed library, the same one NH4 uses 13:42 to get a more compatible environment overall (libuncursed generally works much better in that regard) 13:43 for example: I can now use IBMgraphics in it, without having had to tinker with my terminal at all 13:43 and it no longer breaks horribly in watchmode 13:43 or ttyrecs 13:43 very welcome FIQ and thanks for your help as well 13:43 fantastic. nethack is pretty awful with only one message line (for me) 13:44 have you played dnethack w/curses UI? 13:44 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1160 points, 2361 turns, killed by a pony on hardfought 13:44 yeah 13:45 it's a huge improvement if it works (I had one terminal at one point that made it unusable, so for some time I was using the ttyrec windowport... which is even more painful in dnethack due to it having a lot more msgspam) 13:45 shpingrlde: how did you like it 13:46 was there something major you were missing in it 13:46 compared to the NitroHack interface 13:46 it 13:46 it was solid, I don't think I had any trouble with 13:46 cool 13:46 that was in jnh mostly 13:52 CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Glord accepted the Pac-Man challenge. 13:56 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:02 [nh4] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 55436 points, T:9734, killed by a giant mummy 14:08 -!- dave____ has joined #hardfought 14:12 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 890 points, 1944 turns, killed by a gnome lord on hardfought 14:16 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 381 points, 783 turns, killed by an acid blob on hardfought 14:18 DIED: eitwinston (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 3884 points, 5738 turns, killed by a soldier ant on hardfought 14:22 Does anyone know how is the ordering on https://www.hardfought.org/devnull/players.html calculated? 14:39 Looks like ascensions dave____ 14:40 I assume "ties" are ranked by first come first serve 14:53 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 15:03 DIED: Glord (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 143 points, 378 turns, killed by a bat on hardfought 15:03 -!- Porkman has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:05 -!- mcnick has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:07 -!- mcnick has joined #hardfought 15:22 DIED: Webmant (Rog-Orc-Mal-Cha), 492 points, 1798 turns, killed by a giant bat on hardfought 15:22 should be arranged by score tbh 15:25 looks like everyone switched from nethack to dnethack now 15:31 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 15:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 15:33 DIED: Webmant (Rog-Orc-Mal-Cha), 344 points, 1219 turns, killed by a sewer rat on hardfought 15:35 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 15:36 bug_sniper: "dn36" is devnull-3.6.0, I got confused by that too 15:36 -!- ririr_ has joined #hardfought 15:36 hello 15:36 Hello ririr_, Welcome to #hardfought 15:37 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 15:37 i have some questions 15:37 ^^ 15:38 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 15:39 -!- ririr_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:40 -!- ririr_ has joined #hardfought 15:43 hi 15:43 Hello ririr_, Welcome to #hardfought 15:43 -!- ririr_ has left #hardfought 15:43 that's a bot 15:44 we've had that kind of bot before 15:45 (not in this channel though) 15:55 What's the point of it? 15:55 Was is going to ask us for our social security numbers or something? 15:56 I don't think it has a point, it's just someone's idea of fun 15:57 ah 15:57 like someone's simple coding experiment 15:57 or project rather 16:00 QUIT: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2900 points, 2621 turns, quit on hardfought 16:01 -!- Tarmunoraway is now known as Tarmunora 16:03 -!- Crawlmobile has joined #hardfought 16:04 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Such a long bundle!] 16:05 -!- Jendic has joined #hardfought 16:07 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 16:08 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 16:08 -!- elenmirie\splat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:08 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie\splat 16:12 -!- rikersan has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:14 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2978 points, 1453 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning on hardfought 16:15 DIED: winny (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1481 points, 2071 turns, killed by a warhorse, while sleeping on hardfought 16:26 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:30 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 3986 points, 1453 turns, killed by a dagger on hardfought 16:38 -!- hpardis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:43 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 10012 points, 2153 turns, killed by a raven on hardfought 16:50 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 7197 points, 889 turns, killed by a raven on hardfought 16:50 Poor Luxidream... 16:51 nibbled to death by ravens 16:51 pls nerf 16:51 I don't have that power 16:51 just kiddin 16:52 lemme smash 17:03 I don't have an unique death to ravens yet 17:06 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2008 points, 1102 turns, killed by a fire ant, while frozen by a potion on hardfought 17:08 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 17:13 -!- puck1 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0-dev] 17:15 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 932 points, 401 turns, killed by a gnome lord on hardfought 17:19 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 485 points, 485 turns, killed by a gnome, while reading a book on hardfought 17:19 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 3660 points, 6355 turns, killed by a dwarf on hardfought 17:26 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 5631 points, 1274 turns, killed by a winter wolf on hardfought 17:32 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1091 points, 1072 turns, killed by a gnome on hardfought 17:36 DIED: Glord (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 69 points, 224 turns, killed by a falling rock on hardfought 17:38 -!- fatty has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:48 DIED: Glord (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 852 points, 1091 turns, killed by a rothe on hardfought 17:52 -!- Crawlmobile is now known as Crawldragon 17:53 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 15353 points, 1295 turns, killed by a minotaur on hardfought 18:00 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 102 points, 304 turns, killed by an exploding chest on hardfought 18:08 CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Glord accepted the Dig-Dug challenge. 18:19 succubi can undress ponies? 18:19 kinky 18:20 DIED: Glord (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 1657 points, 3315 turns, killed by an imp, while praying on hardfought 18:31 [nd] Menche (Kni Hum Mal Law), 2370 points, T:1237, killed by a black pudding 18:31 ☹ 18:34 -!- aoei\splat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:37 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 18:40 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 18:46 DIED: Jendic (Val-Hum-Mal-Law), 1119764 points, 50224 turns, killed by the high priestess of Moloch on hardfought 18:47 TROPHY: Jendic just earned the Bronze Star 18:58 DIED: Glord (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 744 points, 1132 turns, killed by a kitten on hardfought 19:02 DIED: Glord (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 285 points, 649 turns, killed by a werejackal on hardfought 19:06 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:08 &lastgame Jendic 19:08 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/J/Jendic/dn36/dumplog/1510434483.dn36.txt 19:10 -!- rikersan has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:15 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 19:20 QUIT: Glord (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 1068 points, 1825 turns, quit on hardfought 19:24 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 19:28 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Client Quit] 19:44 -!- Jendic has quit [Quit: *poof*] 19:46 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:52 so I decided to do something about deaths to very-early-game traps 19:52 that's more interesting than removing them 19:53 for traps that can actually kill you on dlvl 1 (other than regular pits, which I don't think do enough damage?) I've put adventurer corpses in them, so that you can tell at range (farlook) that the trap is there before you step in it 19:54 also a "miniature bones pile" consisting of one cursed item that's likely to be very low value, to keep your pet safe too :-) 19:54 if anyone wants to complain, now would be a good time 19:54 interesting 19:55 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 19:55 right, I thought it'd make more sense than just removing the trap 19:55 and add some more flavour 19:56 What's the lowest starting hp you can roll? 19:58 Not sure, something in the single digits I think. 19:59 IIRC it's on Wizard, or Tourist if you want to start without MR 20:00 (I know this from the turn 0 death thing) 20:00 no, Tou full stop, at 10 20:00 I was wondering if you could prevent early death traps just by tweaking falling rock damage, removing poison instadeath from certain traps, tweaking what levels certain traps are generated on, etc 20:00 Wiz and Rog can start at 11 20:01 Hea at 12 20:01 it's complex because your starting HP is a function of role and race 20:01 and not all role/race combinations are legal 20:01 I haven't done anything about poison instadeath yet (except indirectly from dlvl 1 dart traps, although how often does *that* case happen?) 20:02 ais523: what is an item that is likely to be very low value 20:02 examples? 20:03 aosdict: rocks 20:03 well when he said a miniature bones pile, I wasn't thinking rocks 20:03 Heh. 20:03 aosdict: it's implemented as a random cursed weapon, comestible, food, or gem 20:03 "random" in the sense of using the level's normal generation probabilities 20:03 also it can't be an artifact 20:03 Ah. 20:04 aw I was just about to say something something Grayswandir 20:04 early artifacts are trap enough by themselves :-D 20:04 ais523: are you planning on moving this through devteam internal discussion or doing it unilaterally? 20:05 I just did it unilaterally 20:05 I think we've discovered that internal discussion doesn't actually work 20:05 people normally don't reply 20:05 so paxed and I have sort-of got into an escalating war of unilateral changes… 20:08 that reminds me, I was going to write some design docs for potential 3.7 (or even 4.0) changes which are so out there that I'd definitely want to get permission first 20:09 -!- hpardis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:12 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 20:13 Seems to me using the 4.0 version number for vanilla could get confusing, might be better to skip it and go to 5.0 20:13 Though 3.7 should be ok. 20:14 Or you could go all Firefox just bump the version number up every five to seven days whether there are any new features or not. 20:15 -!- rikersan has quit [Client Quit] 20:15 (That last was a joke. Please don't actually do that.) 20:18 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 20:21 we could just jump to 5 :-P 20:22 DIED: jonathanhanes (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 597 points, 1464 turns, killed by a werejackal on hardfought 20:22 the next nethack version should be 47.0 20:24 DIED: jonathanhanes (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 10 points, 48 turns, killed by a fox on hardfought 20:25 jonadab: what would your reaction be if I said 20:25 NetHack Quantum 20:25 New Nethack (TM) 20:26 And then New Nethack Plus 20:26 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/47_(number) 20:26 Then μNethack 20:26 MU? 20:27 aosdict: is that the new name of your variant? 20:27 So people get confused with unNethack 20:27 oh, moon! 20:27 new moon? 20:27 * jonadab reads that as "microNetHack" 20:27 But NetHack already runs just fine on microcomputers. 20:28 Hardly anybody plays it on mainframes anymore. 20:29 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 20:30 jonadab: no, I was drawing out the Firefox analogy 20:30 I think I will stick with xNetHack for the foreseeable future. 20:31 X NetHack is already a version, though (it's one of the vanilla windowports, but acts differently enough from tty that it tends to be named as such in package managers) 20:31 last time I looked at it, it sucked, but paxed's been doing a lot of work on it recently so maybe it's decent now? 20:32 mm, for it to actually be a problematic conflict means that I will have quite a lot of people playing it, kind of like where FIQ is now 20:33 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:33 aosdict: I don't think there are any other variants that have accidentally been called FIQhack :-) 20:33 so for the foreseeable future, I think it' fine :) 20:33 but right, it wouldn't be all that confusing, I imagine 20:33 it's* 20:37 Oh shit, I just named a variant FIQhack. No idea how that happened! 20:37 by the way, if you have other ideas for "thing I think should probably be added to vanilla" but don't want to implement it unilaterally, well that is sort of the entire purpose of xnethack 20:38 not at the moment, of course, but in the long run 20:38 * jonadab contemplates forking FIQHack and naming the fork FIIQHack. Because the roman numeral II means successor, if you squint just right. 20:38 so it will eventually turn into slex? 20:39 you mean squiint? 20:39 Heh. 20:39 elenmirie\splat: well except for the part where it gets reset to vanilla from time to time 20:39 lol 20:40 Also the part where its idea of balance isn't fundamentally based on the principle that if a sufficiently skilled player can reliably win, that's unbalanced. 20:40 yes! 20:41 jonadab: that's hardly fair, there's only one variant that *is* based on that 20:41 you could make a case for Spork being intended to be balanced like that? 20:41 although it takes less drastic measures when people win 20:41 or grunt? 20:41 maybe? not played much spork 20:41 elenmirie\splat: grunthack wasn't designed with balance in mind 20:41 actually, I've never played spork. 20:42 it was aiming for extra realism and to avoid making the game arbitrarily harder 20:42 and then gave up in horror when it realised what it had become 20:42 ais523: grunt or spork? 20:42 grunthack is only half implemented... and yes, you're probably right about not balanced, more about neat ideas 20:43 aosdict: everything after I said "grunthack" was referring to grunthack 20:44 and it really did make me laugh... true it is! 20:45 "gave up in horror." yep 20:45 I feel like things like implementing the beholder were not introduced with "avoid making it arbitrarily harder" in mind 20:46 beholder is just a nasty monster 20:46 that can spawn at difficulty, what, 6? 20:46 what about zombies? 20:47 there's a reason that K2 agonized over that change for so long 20:47 if you have a blindfold you can get rid of that problem 20:47 aosdict: the beholder is a deferred vanilla feature, isn't it? 20:47 yes 20:47 zombies... eh you could defend them with the realism argument. 20:48 K2 is the grunthack expert, and taught me everything I know about beholders. BUT... I've ascended grunt a couple of times and beholders are manageable 20:48 The balance issues with zombies in Grunt, though, are not just because of realism. 20:49 before the change. 20:50 ais523: if the beholder was just uncommented (which it might be? vanilla's looks like that), then it's not a Grunt problem, it's the fact that beholders would make the game arbitrarily harder if introduced to vanilla. 20:51 beholders are just bizarre, though, even in D&D 20:51 if everyone was as spoiled about grunt beholders as they were about vanilla 343, there would be people saying they're not hard enough. 20:54 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 20:55 -!- hpardis has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:11 -!- Kontroll1r has joined #hardfought 21:14 -!- Kontroller has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:16 Wait, does autosearching not do standard 1-radius blind searches? YANI: it should do this! 21:17 -!- fatty has joined #hardfought 21:18 if you dont hear from me in about 12 hrs from now, call 911 21:18 because i will not have awoken from the food coma 21:18 errrrmahgerd i am so stuffed 21:29 -!- Kontroll1r has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:35 K2: I'm not convinced that that'd work, I have no idea who you are or where you live, and the emergency number in Europe is 112 anyway 21:35 (although it wouldn't surprise me if 911 actually worked because what else would it do?) 21:35 it's the thought and effort that counts ;) 21:35 i should have walked away from desert 21:36 ais523: thanksgiving in the US. Think K2 lives in Vermont. 21:36 but i wasn't strong enough to say no 21:36 you could ask someone who lives nearby if you're concerned? 21:36 aosdict: right, it's hard to miss thanksgiving 21:36 mostly because in the UK, a number of retailers are still desperately trying to make black friday happen here 21:36 my dry sense of humor may be too dry this evening 21:37 aosdict: yup vermont 21:39 what we (wife and kid and I) have done for past few years is a 'friendsgiving' that one of our close friends puts on every turkey day 21:39 and then we'll go see family for the remainder of the long weekend 21:39 something I was discussing in another channel but didn't get a satisfactory answer: how does Thanksgiving differ from Christmas? they seem like very similar holidays 21:40 honestly, if you really think about it - thanksgiving is christmas minus the gifts 21:40 and slight variantion on the menu 21:40 and then of course if you're religious (christian) there's that whole aspect of christmas also 21:41 oh, I somehow assumed that thanksgiving had the gifts too 21:41 * K2 isn't religious 21:41 but secular christmas and religious christmas have become mostly entirely separate in the UK 21:41 there isn't really a link between them 21:42 for one thing, the secular version tends to start in october or sometimes even september, at least as far as retailers are concerned 21:42 that's becoming the trend here also 21:42 shops already have xmas decorations up before halloween 21:42 right, they had to take a break from christmas for a few days for halloween 21:43 and then went back to christmas 21:43 (although bonfire night / guy fawkes night also serves as a useful distraction when shops want something seasonal to do; they all sell fireworks then because it's one of the only times of year they're legal) 21:44 technically thanksgiving is to celebrate the first successful harvest, but no one here really focuses on that at all 21:44 its just a time for family to get together and give thanks for what they have 21:44 the UK equivalent is Harvest Festival which celebrates the end of the harvesting for the year, but it's really different in nature 21:44 and only really observed by schools and churches 21:44 it's basically morphed into a festival for teaching children about where food comes from 21:45 ah 21:46 there's a very plausible theory that Harvest Festival became a lot less relevant when the combine harvester was invented 21:46 well regardless, it's a good excuse to gather with friends and stuff your face with good food 21:46 because you no longer needed to celebrate the end of weeks of work which involved basically everyone, trying to get the harvest in on time 21:46 right, makes sense 21:46 my buddy Noel got a 40 lbs turkey this year... hah 21:46 there's soooo much left over 21:48 and I am thankful for not having to work on thanksgiving for the first time in 5 yrs 21:49 hope everyone else had/is having a good thanksgiving (those that are celebrating it today) 21:49 hmm, it's not even thursday any more over here in the UK, but it's interesting thinking of things to be thankful about anyway 21:50 agreed 21:50 (something else I learned looking up about Thanksgiving: in Canada, they celebrate it in October, and the theory is that this is because the winters are longer/colder in Canada so the harvest has to be brought in earlier) 21:51 and Canada's thankgiving pre-dates the United States 21:52 by 40ish some odd years I think 21:52 when you live in Europe, it's easy to forget how new the US is as a country 21:54 what's the saying? Americans think 100 years is a long time, Britons think 100 miles is a long distance, something like that? 21:54 heh sounds about right 21:54 (and is "Briton" even the correct word??) 21:55 I normally hear it with 1000, but much the right idea 21:55 and "Briton" is technically correct, I think? but rarely used 21:55 "Brit" is heard more commonly but it's informal 21:56 that said, a 100-mile journey is something that I'll prepare for but I don't consider it ridiculously long, at least not by train or car 21:56 a lot can happen in a hundred miles though 21:56 ASCENDED: bebing (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 3541062 points, 51623 turns, ascended on hardfought 21:56 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bebing/dn36/dumplog/1510751485.dn36.txt 21:56 now, /walking/ 100 miles, that would be another matter 21:57 and doing it by bus is the sort of thing that only crazy people like me do 21:57 (I've done a bus journey in the 100-200 mile range before now but it took all day, something like 9½ hours I think?) 21:58 TROPHY: bebing now holds the Basic Extinct 21:58 TROPHY: bebing just earned the Birdie (with bells on!) and Birdie 22:00 huh. I expect a 200 mile bus trip to take a few hours 22:00 3-4 hours or so 22:01 aosdict: that's because where you are, the bus goes across open countryside and doesn't stop along the way, right? 22:01 in the UK, a bus would be trying to cater for a lot of journeys at once, and so it'd go right into the heart of every major city on the way 22:02 that adds a huge length of time just getting in and out through traffic congestion 22:02 mhm 22:04 I just checked, if you're going straight down a motorway that mostly bypasses major cities, you can do 200 miles in 3½ hours here 22:04 that is, nonstop 22:04 (that's measured starting from just outside London and going north until you've reached the 200 miles) 22:04 going through cities really hurts, though, or areas without good roads 22:07 for comparison, I just did Birmingham coach station to Coventry coach station to Leicester coach station (i.e. the sort of journey that a bus would make going city to city); that's 44 miles but takes 1½ horus 22:07 so it's over hlf as slow 22:07 err, half as fast 22:09 and that's assuming you start at 3am (i.e. the time now) 22:29 DIED: bebing (Ran-Hum-Fem-Neu), 828 points, 1425 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning on hardfought 22:33 DIED: k2 (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 78219 points, 19539 turns, killed by a death ray on hardfought 22:33 fuck 22:34 yikes 22:34 &lastgame 22:34 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/dn36/dumplog/1511445630.dn36.txt 22:34 i cant catch a fucking break lol 22:35 No MR or reflection :( 22:36 nope 22:45 -!- bobbydurrett has joined #hardfought 22:47 DIED: k2 (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 1750 points, 1544 turns, killed by a rabid rat on hardfought 22:59 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1304 points, 3855 turns, killed by a housecat on hardfought 23:10 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 23:26 DIED: k2 (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 4970 points, 3638 turns, killed by a soldier ant on hardfought 23:36 DIED: bebing (Ran-Hum-Fem-Neu), 2452 points, 4146 turns, killed by a priest of Venus on hardfought