00:04 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 00:09 QUIT: Entitas (Pri-Hum-Mal-Neu), 992734 points, 34266 turns, quit on hardfought 00:10 CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! inari accepted the Dig-Dug challenge. 00:10 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 00:19 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 00:38 Huh. doormask is actually being used in several places it semantically shouldn't. 00:39 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 00:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 00:49 -!- mcnick has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:52 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 00:52 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 00:52 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 01:00 -!- mcnick has joined #hardfought 01:08 blugh, the special level code just has to go mess everything up by using its own separate struct, doesn't it 01:16 DIED: Bugpowder (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 662 points, 1334 turns, killed by a dwarf on altorg 01:20 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 01:22 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has joined #hardfought 01:23 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:31 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 01:31 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 01:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 01:38 CHALLENGE IGNORED! flump ignored the Waldo challenge. 01:41 ^ screw that noise when I have charm monster castable :P 01:46 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:48 -!- mcnick has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:49 was permanent ignoring an option in previous devnulls? 01:59 i got an error while trying to compile nethack... 01:59 it says "Configuration incompatibility for file "dungeon"" 02:00 then says "Dungeon description not valid." 02:00 shpingrlde: yes 02:02 StatueSurfer: sounds like nhshare/nhushare were not updated correctly 02:02 LarienTelrunya: Message from Chris_ANG at 2017-11-20 08:08 EST: linux virtual machine. Oracle virtual box plus Lubuntu worked best for me so far. 02:02 !tell Chris_ANG oh, so you can test crashed savegames on the server via VM, nice :) 02:02 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:04 where's nhshare located? 02:05 should be in the folder where the compiled game is, at least on Windows 02:05 hmm, or maybe I'm mistaken and it's nhdat 02:06 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:07 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 02:10 i can't even tell what's going on in nhdat ._. 02:11 it doesn't seem to have any pieces of armor listed at all 02:11 and a piece of armor was what i added 02:11 well, one important thing is that in the folder where you're running the executable, all important files have to be "in sync" or the game may fail to start 02:12 nhdat will be updated by the compile process, along with Nethack.exe 02:12 okay well i guess i should amend my error report 02:12 the game technically compiled 02:12 if nhdat is an older version than Nethack.exe, it may fail to start 02:12 but upon selected a role, the error i listed crashed the game 02:12 *selecting 02:16 okay i checked 02:17 nhdat is 1 minute older than nethack.exe 02:17 !who 02:17 Jonathanhanes_: No current players 02:17 sad 02:17 !booze no_one 02:17 * Beholder hands no_one a tumbler of liquid courage, conjured by Izchak at 42 degrees Fahrenheit. 02:17 drink up partner 02:18 !booze everyone 02:18 * Beholder passes everyone a schooner of suds, conjured by TheresaMayBot at 326 Kelvin. 02:18 why is your name so hard to pronounce/type? 02:18 !fruitjuice everyone 02:18 rip 02:18 can't you just go by flump? :P 02:18 there's !tea :P 02:18 !tea me 02:18 * Beholder tosses me a cup of oolong tea, fermented by Announcy at 471 Kelvin. 02:18 !tea everyone 02:18 * Beholder tosses everyone a mug of oolong tea, decanted by FCCBot at -19 degrees Celsius. 02:19 Jonathanhanes_ it's complicated 02:19 !rng ascend | die horribly 02:19 Jonathanhanes_: die horribly 02:19 ouch 02:19 that's really aggressive 02:19 i do that one a lot 02:20 you must learn to play like a calculated madman 02:20 get rid of everything you think you know 02:20 and embrace the unknown 02:21 the call of cthulhu awaits 02:22 as if nethack wasn't horrifying enough 02:22 should play some dnh now that i mention it 02:22 play dnethack it's a lot of fun 02:22 you will die even more horribly 02:22 don't steal from shops in dnethack 02:22 just don't. 02:25 DIED: buffy (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 797 points, 3300 turns, killed by a bat on altorg 02:25 You move to embrace Pale Night, brushing aside the gossamer shroud hiding her body from you. 02:25 As you pass through the shroud, your every sense goes mad. 02:25 Your whole world becomes an unbearable symphony of agony. 02:25 my last dnethack death 02:25 what the frick 02:25 nethack: the horror game 02:25 don't mess with lamashtu 02:25 horrorhack, as it were 02:26 she's a real BITCH 02:26 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 02:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 02:26 > base level 107 02:27 damn that was a good character too 02:27 what even IS behind Pale Night's shroud? I guess it's not a beautiful woman, since seeing that wouldn't kill you instantly. 02:27 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/j/jonathan/dnethack/dumplog/1502904084.dnh.txt 02:28 some kind of lovecraftian horror 02:28 not fit for human consumption 02:28 in my variant i intend to add lovecraftian horrors as neutral deities 02:28 yes i meant to type neutral 02:36 that's good for tourists 02:36 that's all that matters 02:39 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 02:39 i guess i may as well come clean here 02:39 and just admit 02:39 that i plan to kind of overhaul nethack's structure a little 02:40 of course it might go smoother if i could add an object successfully 02:41 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:41 StatueSurfer: write an overhaul proposal and post it on nethackwiki, many developers are doing that nowadays :) 02:41 hm 02:41 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:41 might also try to recompile with the -B switch, maybe that will help 02:41 don't make a plan so big that it defeats your motivation to get started 02:42 the problem is all these little problems that keep blocking me from doing little stuff 02:42 that would be the foundation for the big stuff 02:43 also i'm actually basing this variant on homestuck 02:43 not sure how many of you have heard of that...? 02:44 DIED: buffy (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 727 points, 2602 turns, killed by a giant ant on altorg 02:45 StatueSurfer just think of some EPI's and I'm sure slex will implement them ;) 02:46 i'm not sure i can come up with anything amy hasn't already 02:46 it's very easy 02:46 LarienTelrunya: what do you mean -B switch? 02:47 EPI: every now and then, you feel "demotivated", greatly lowering your to-hit and making you sometimes do nothing at all 02:47 StatueSurfer: mingw32-make -B makefile.gcc install 02:47 that -B switch forces it to recompile everything 02:47 okay 02:48 maybe that will fix the dungeon description error 02:48 FIQ: heh, I actually thought about something similar, an "apathy" status, but it's not in the game 02:48 do you see what i mean 02:48 amy's too diabolical 02:48 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 02:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 02:49 i'm actually planning to heavily nerf prayer due to the source material's lore 02:51 if you think of classy ideas, you won't have to worry about overlap with slex :roguethink: 02:51 if you think of classy ideas, you won't have to worry about overlap with slex :roguethink: 02:52 if you duplicate messages, maybe one will go through... oh wait, this is IRC which wont randomly swallow everything. 02:52 so basically... 02:52 if you duplicate messages, maybe one will go through... oh wait, this is IRC which wont randomly swallow everything. 02:52 make nethack easier 02:52 FIQ :P 02:53 I had an up arrow dilemma 02:53 the fun thing is that despite implementing so many different ideas, slex is still a balanced game! Balance through diversity! :D 02:53 i actually plan to add a dozen harder than hard classes that have special disadvantages for most of the game that make it a lot harder 02:53 at least for a while 02:53 LarienTelrunya: I think nobody else agrees with you on slex being balanced 02:53 example: one of these classes suffers amnesia on 1/3 of all floor changes 02:53 StatueSurfer: gah, now you *really* make me want to pester you into writing a design overhaul document that gives details on how those classes are harder 02:54 StatueSurfer: are you secretly LarienTelrunya 02:54 no 02:54 slex could use some more harder-than-hard classes :D 02:54 ~~yes i'm in another browser~~ 02:54 because that sounds like just the kind of thing slex would have 02:54 but it only lasts until level 10 02:54 you should contribute 02:54 FIQ: well, slex has a playable race that has permanent map amnesia :D 02:55 exactly 02:55 or somewhere thereabouts 02:55 another starts with incurable wounded legs until the same threshold 02:55 I think slex has that already 02:56 i wouldn't doubt it 02:57 i mean i'm going to have make the early and mid-games just living hells because the late game is going to be stupidly easy thanks to a feature from homestuck's lore 02:57 "late game stupidly easy" sounds like vanilla nethack 02:58 i'm talking "if you get killed you'll probably auto-lifesave" easy 02:58 at least until the equivalent of the astral 02:59 so basically 02:59 the goal is 02:59 to get to XL10 02:59 ASAP 03:01 actually the auto-lifesave mode requires at least XL13 and completing the role quest 03:01 and then surviving to reach it afterwards 03:20 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:21 DIED: Rex (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 28022 points, 10046 turns, killed by a giant mummy on hdf-eu 03:22 -!- mcnick has joined #hardfought 03:24 DIED: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 152 points, 222 turns, killed by a goblin, while sleeping on hdf-eu 03:41 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 136849 points, 12966 turns, crushed to death by a collapsing drawbridge on hdf-au 03:42 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:45 &lastgame 03:45 https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/dn36/dumplog/1511188424.dn36.txt 03:45 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 03:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 03:46 DIED: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 1236 points, 3396 turns, killed by a giant bat on hdf-eu 03:56 DIED: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 564 points, 1768 turns, killed by a gray ooze on hdf-eu 03:57 DIED: Rex (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 4432 points, 3813 turns, killed by a fire ant on hdf-eu 03:58 Tangles: nice unique death 04:03 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 143 points, 330 turns, killed by a small mimic on hdf-eu 04:03 -!- mcnick has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:04 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 99 points, 116 turns, killed by a sewer rat on hdf-eu 04:11 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 682 points, 1170 turns, killed by a wand on hdf-eu 04:14 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 460 points, 408 turns, killed by a straw golem on hdf-eu 04:15 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 351 points, 169 turns, killed by an orcish spear on hdf-eu 04:15 DIED: chuggy (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 2867 points, 1566 turns, killed by a spotted jelly on hdf-eu 04:15 CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! kupopo accepted the Pac-Man challenge. 04:17 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 822 points, 165 turns, killed by an invisible quasit on hdf-eu 04:17 DIED: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 845 points, 1715 turns, killed by a gecko, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hdf-eu 04:20 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 919 points, 254 turns, killed by a snake on hdf-eu 04:20 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 0 points, 9 turns, killed by a jackal on hdf-eu 04:24 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 150 points, 87 turns, killed by a wand on hdf-eu 04:25 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 539 points, 85 turns, killed by strangulation on hdf-eu 04:25 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 234 points, 80 turns, killed by a pony on hdf-eu 04:26 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1459 points, 577 turns, killed by a gnome lord on hdf-au 04:28 DIED: chuggy (Rog-Orc-Mal-Cha), 3268 points, 1389 turns, killed by a priestess of Issek, while paralyzed by a monster on hdf-eu 04:30 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 5167 points, 1087 turns, caught himself in his own death field on hdf-eu 04:30 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:32 DIED: chuggy (Rog-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1239 points, 626 turns, killed by an orcish dagger on hdf-eu 04:52 CHALLENGE IGNORED! chuggy ignored the ZAPM challenge. 04:54 CHALLENGE COMPLETED! kupopo completed the Pac-Man challenge. 04:57 DIED: Rex (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 10828 points, 6494 turns, killed by a chameleon imitating a mastodon on hdf-eu 05:32 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:39 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 05:40 DIED: chuggy (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 54500 points, 5836 turns, killed by an alchemic blast on hdf-eu 06:28 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 06:32 Lol, nice maze https://pastebin.com/raw/s9h7a73R 06:35 3 mazes in a row where stairs placed near 06:37 4... 06:48 -!- katung has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:08 QUIT: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 14631 points, 6394 turns, quit on hdf-au 07:08 FIQ: You were right. I should have just quit as soon as I got orctown. Instead I waited until much later. 07:08 see 07:08 you learn 07:08 :P 07:09 and then get luvs 07:10 DIED: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 2098 points, 2081 turns, killed by a soldier ant on hardfought 07:12 . 07:14 hi K2! there's probably a core dump from loli's last slex crash on hardfought, can you give me the backtrace of that? ;) 07:20 DIED: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 418 points, 902 turns, killed by a blast of disintegration on hardfought 07:21 [fh] Satochi IX (puck) (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:48087 07:23 Its me! :D 07:23 LarienTelrunya 07:23 just checked 07:23 there's nothing recent 07:23 huh?! no core dump from nov 20 or 21? 07:23 no 07:23 most recent is from the 17th 07:23 huh 07:24 most recent entry in the paniclog is from the 19th 07:24 that's weird, since loli got this today: https://abload.de/img/inexplicablestupidcrac0uja.png (it gives a backtrace, but without actual line numbers so I don't know where those addresses are in the code) 07:26 hmm the paniclog says the old dmonsfree error also still exists 07:26 DIED: wooble (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 4529 points, 566 turns, killed by a killer bee on hardfought 07:26 LarienTelrunya: rebase slex onto NH4 when? 07:27 off to work, see you from there 07:27 Though I suppose the first step would be rebasing Slash'EM onto NH4. 07:28 jonadab: maybe after you managed to streak the 100-level-plus-bonusdungeon slex version (at least 3 consecutive wins) ;) 07:28 I haven't even streaked in vanilla. 07:28 DIED: wooble (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 1245 points, 194 turns, killed by a giant spider on hardfought 07:30 does it count as a streak to ascend unnethack and nh360 with no deaths in between during Junethack? ;) 07:30 cross-variant streak? :D 07:32 also, jonadab: you should attempt a full monty with bells on in slex! *bundlebundlebundle* 07:34 I think tracking cross-variant streaks would be interesting, but I don't think anyone currently has software set up to track that. 07:35 also why does the devnull tournament rules section never explain what "with bells on" really means? it means never died in between, right? 07:35 I cannot full monty with bells at this time, as I am too busy trying to release Fourk 4.3.0.4, ascend FIQHack, and improve my skill at Brogue, gBrogue, and Angband. 07:35 LarienTelrunya: It means no games in between that don't contribute to the goal. 07:36 ah, and since full monty means ascending everything, it would include no deaths ;) 07:36 That implies no deaths, but also no ascensions that are redundant, from the trophy's perspective, with already completed ones. 07:36 So you can't e.g. do another Law Dwa Val after you already did a Law Dwa Val, if the trophy you're going for is all race/role/alignment combos. 07:38 Another difference is that in the original rules, every game must have achieved something towards the higher trophy (ie. new race, role etc.) to keep the "With the Bells On" epithet. It meant that even ascending game could break the required streak. This rule is no longer enforced. 07:38 (from the devnull page) 07:41 DIED: wooble (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1960 points, 1693 turns, killed by a snake on hardfought 07:42 LarienTelrunya: Ah, they didn't enforce that this year? Ok. 07:46 DIED: wooble (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 675 points, 169 turns, killed by a dingo on hardfought 07:49 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2501 points, 2302 turns, killed by a rabid rat on hdf-au 07:52 DIED: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 857 points, 1079 turns, killed by a gecko on hardfought 07:56 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:58 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1138 points, 539 turns, killed by a little dog on hdf-au 08:03 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 347 points, 444 turns, killed by a dagger on hdf-au 08:06 DIED: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1406 points, 1012 turns, killed by genocidal confusion on hardfought 08:15 The rock piercer turns to flee. The rock piercer bites! You die... 08:16 -!- fatty has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:17 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1000 points, 929 turns, killed by a rock piercer on hdf-au 08:18 Tangles: I forgot, how do I get rid of this error? tinkering with NH3 curses UI and I must have messed up my setup 08:18 Waiting for release of fcntl lock on perm. (9 retries left). 08:27 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:36 Oh yeah I can't remember either. 08:54 ASCENDED: squolly (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1680239 points, 31938 turns, ascended on hardfought 08:54 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/squolly/dn36/dumplog/1511096353.dn36.txt 08:55 TROPHY: squolly just earned the Birdie 09:24 how do i get plastic star, etc 09:24 i'm sure most people who have the dilithium star have many of the other stars for sokoban, mine's end luckstone, etc 09:25 you only get the highest-level star 09:28 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 09:29 -!- StinkyGreene has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:32 DIED: Rex (Mon-Hum-Fem-Neu), 16317 points, 6985 turns, killed by an air elemental on hdf-eu 09:38 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 09:45 -!- puck1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:47 ASCENDED: Mandevil (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 2115866 points, 34989 turns, ascended on hdf-eu 09:47 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Mandevil/dn36/dumplog/1510991014.dn36.txt 09:48 TROPHY: Mandevil just earned the Birdie 09:50 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:53 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 09:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 09:56 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 09:56 mmm, hello 09:56 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:56 I may have bugged out the game playing pool in /dev/null 09:57 any server admin here to (re)load the gamefile? 09:58 K2 or Tangles are the ones you want... 09:58 and how do you know it's bugged? 09:59 ah 09:59 boulder turned into 20 spellbooks of force bolt 09:59 I can’t load the game 09:59 well, is it supposed to? 09:59 no 09:59 k 09:59 then I am confident something happened 10:00 purple boulder turned into M - 20 spellbooks of force bolt 10:00 but when I look at it was still a boulder 10:00 that's not supposed to happen... 10:00 K2: help! ;) 10:00 Tangles: help! ;) 10:01 what an interesting bug 10:01 I think you can recreate it by prodding the purple boulder with your spellbook of force bolt 10:02 which is, 10:02 I believe, what happened 10:02 lol 10:02 what 10:02 when I try to play it tells me: There is already a game in progress under your name. Destroy old game? [yn] 10:03 why would you even want to finish the challenge realinari :p 10:03 with 20 spellbooks of force bolt you can polypile for dayz 10:03 I’ve never played in novermeber before 10:03 lol, *november 10:04 actually, everytime I pick them up, they are still there 10:04 so technichally it is an infinite number of spellbooks of force bolt 10:05 zap polymorph at it 10:05 I can’t load the game 10:06 Infinitely multiplying spellbooks fountain out from the pile, filling the room! As you are crushed under the pressure of the books, you hear the dungeon starting to collapse. Do you want your possessions identified? 10:06 that sounds like a (real) slex death message 10:06 .. or like the thing where you get a fake DYWYPI when you read a scroll of identify 10:06 EPI: add this effect to the Book of Infinite Spells 10:06 L - 28881982 spellbooks of force bolt 10:09 -!- dave__ has joined #hardfought 10:09 K2: help, need reload on eu.hardfought.org 10:10 !tell larientelrunya: please add aosdict's death to slex 10:10 Will do, rikersan! 10:10 !tell larientelrunya: 07:06 < aosdict> Infinitely multiplying spellbooks fountain out from the pile, 10:10 Will do, rikersan! 10:10 Tangles: help, need reload on eu.hardfought.org 10:10 sure, already added it to my to-do list :D 10:10 LarienTelrunya: Message from rikersan at 2017-11-21 10:10 EST: please add aosdict's death to slex 10:10 LarienTelrunya: Message from rikersan at 2017-11-21 10:10 EST: 07:06 < aosdict> Infinitely multiplying spellbooks fountain out from the pile, 10:10 filling the room! As you are crushed under the pressure of 10:10 the books, you hear the dungeon starting to collapse. Do you 10:10 want your possessions identified? 10:10 and oh cool 10:10 whoops 10:11 DIED: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 3597 points, 4711 turns, killed by a soldier ant on hdf-eu 10:11 Tangles is probably around, but seems to be afk... 10:18 !tell Tangles inari needs help with a reload after he bugged out the purple boulder playing pool on sokoban turning it into 20 spellbooks of force bolt 10:18 Will do, realinari! 10:19 are force bolt spbks purple in your game? 10:21 heheh, I don’t know 10:22 maybe if I wait 3600 seconds 10:22 ok, an hour 10:22 have fun :p 10:23 ah well, there is allways nao 10:24 DIED: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 673 points, 1524 turns, killed by a giant bat on hdf-eu 10:25 jonadab: balance issue that I didn't notice until yesterday: after Asmodeus is gone, there is no really dangerous source of cold in the game and cold resistance is nice but not very important. Thoughts? 10:25 realinari: Did you cas force bolt? 10:25 *cast 10:26 I don’t think so 10:26 When a spell is cast, 20 copies of the spellbook is created temporarily 10:26 To pass to functions that require an object for an effect 10:26 eh, what? 10:27 internally, right? 10:27 those should never populate the ‘real’ world? 10:28 right 10:28 I am assuming that is what happened 10:28 then that sounds right 10:28 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Source:NetHack_3.6.0/src/spell.c#line990 10:28 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 10:29 why would you not rewrite functions requireing an object? 10:30 This is NetHack code 10:30 It's not the most beautiful codebase in the world 10:30 as I ask that, I allready know the answer.. ;) 10:33 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 10:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 10:34 -!- StinkyGreene has joined #hardfought 10:36 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 10:39 DIED: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 956 points, 1862 turns, killed by a rothe on hdf-eu 10:48 DIED: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 2552 points, 6930 turns, killed by a hill orc on hardfought 11:03 aosdict: Asmodeus is pretty late in the game. Don't pretty much 1000% of players have all their resistances before the Castle, currently? 11:04 I don't often have shock resis before the castle 11:04 but yeah, poison/cold/fire generally 11:04 Shock res is one of the ones you typically get last, because it's harder to get, admittedly. 11:04 Most of the things that give it are low-probability. 11:04 it's also not really needed 11:04 except for lightning wands 11:04 Those are quite common, by quest depth. 11:05 Though reflection helps a lot. 11:05 ^ 11:05 Unless you've got the wands balance patch. 11:05 In which case reflection does basically nothing. 11:05 almost all players have reflection and MR by castle at least 11:05 Or else they die, yes. 11:09 gotta love the wand destruction patch 11:15 jonadab: well, my point is that fire, poison, reflection, MR, and even sleep continue to pose threats into the endgame if you're not resistant. Cold... not so much. 11:16 * raisse\splat wants reflection resistance 11:16 immune to things being reflected at you? 11:16 no, Medusa wants reflection resistance 11:16 so things can't bounce back at me 11:16 yes 11:16 off walls or monsters 11:22 YANI: add a level attribute that controls the frequency of random monster generation there 11:25 LarienTelrunya: fiqhack has partial resists now 11:25 FIQ: heh, I decided to be polite and not say what I think of that :D 11:26 yes because slex also has it 11:26 have fun in June! 11:26 huh? you based them on slex? 11:26 I just assumed your partial resists are 50% damage reduction... 11:26 no I did not 11:26 it depends on resistance 11:27 DIED: khamul (Bar-Hum-Mal-Cha), 230820 points, 24396 turns, killed by an Angel on hdf-eu 11:27 fire/cold/shock/acid is 50% damae 11:27 poison and sleep is different 11:27 sleep is 66% reduction and you wake up upon taing damage 11:27 do you still lose STR every time you eat a poisonous corpse if you're only "resistant"? I really hate that change in spork 11:28 DIED: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 2417 points, 4203 turns, killed by an Uruk-hai on hdf-eu 11:28 poison has several effects depending on what it is about 11:28 especially in combination with "unihorn doesn't restore str, nyah-nyah" 11:28 for example 11:28 attribute damae happens 33% as often 11:28 you take 1 instead of several points of str loss when eating corpses 11:29 there's something nasty I want to say right now, you're probably aware of that :P 11:29 poison damage when it doesn't deal attribute damage is halved 11:29 stinking cloud damage is halved 11:34 LarienTelrunya: of course an unicorn horn will remove most of the perils of attribute damage 11:34 for now 11:34 oh, it will? 11:35 thought FIQhack was one of the variants where that got removed 11:35 yes FIQHack hasn't changed them 11:35 no 11:35 ah, good 11:35 let me guess, it will change it before next junethack 11:35 maybe 11:35 it depends on testing 11:35 trialing this change 11:36 will hopefully get additional testing from release too 11:36 well I can tell you without testing that unrecoverable strength loss from poisonous corpses despite resistance is bad bad bad bad bad, see sporkhack :P 11:36 you can restore it using potions of restore ability or the spell 11:37 yeah, of course my samurai can cast a level 4 spell in a school he's restricted at :D 11:37 LarienTelrunya: I can't think of that many reasons to eat poisonous corpses if you already have poison resistance 11:37 play something else then 11:37 will barbarians be resistant or immune? 11:38 currently, all roles and races who has an innate resistance are immune 11:38 the main draw of poisonous corpses is that they convey poison resistance 11:38 assuming they had it from the getgo 11:38 and if you have some temporary extrinsic source, then that's immunity 11:39 aosdict: yes, and after that, the main draw of poisonous corpses is that you can use them for nutrition, which you couldn't while you weren't resistant 11:39 level up trinsics confer partial resistances 11:39 however the system backing this up is very flexible 11:40 I can give something resistances rather than immunities from the getgo/innately 11:40 and I can make an existing resistance turn into an immunity with level up 11:40 as an example 11:40 I could make elves sleep resistant at XL4 11:40 and sleep immune at XL10 11:40 LarienTelrunya: eh, I don't really have a problem with this. It should take a lot to eat something poisonous and suffer no ill effects. 11:41 you can use a ring of poison resistance 11:41 an alchemy smock 11:41