00:10 DIED: k2 (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 1334 points, 1869 turns, killed by a fox on hardfought 00:15 DIED: buffy (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 888 points, 2813 turns, killed by a paper golem on altorg 00:22 DIED: k2 (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 816 points, 1470 turns, killed by a hill orc on hardfought 00:28 faty, wedged yourself in a narrow crevice 00:30 fatty 00:30 that or you justl like levitation 00:42 DIED: k2 (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 1419 points, 2135 turns, killed by a giant spider on hardfought 00:53 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 12395 points, 1414 turns, killed by a bolt of cold on hdf-au 00:58 ASCENDED: Luxidream (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Law), 654278 points, 40048 turns, ascended on hardfought 00:58 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dn36/dumplog/1510973737.dn36.txt 01:03 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 01:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 01:07 DIED: buffy (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1703 points, 3051 turns, killed by a giant ant on altorg 01:20 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:23 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 01:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 01:24 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1492692 points, 67871 turns, killed by Yeenoghu, while paralyzed by a monster on hdf-eu 01:24 !lastgae 01:25 !lastgame 01:25 raisse\splat: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/K/KickyMcAssingtn/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-11-19%2004%3A08%3A43%2C%20KickyMcAssingtn-Kni-Hum-Mal-Law%2C%20died.txt 01:25 pff 01:25 !lastgame Raise 01:25 raisse\splat: No last game for Raise 01:25 !lastgame Raisse 01:25 raisse\splat: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/R/Raisse/nhdev/dumplog/1509463788.nhdev.txt 01:25 hm, that's not the one I want 01:27 &lastgame 01:27 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/R/Raisse/dn36/dumplog/1510986764.dn36.txt 01:27 thank you! 01:27 welcome! 01:35 -!- mcnick has joined #hardfought 01:46 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Disconnected] 01:47 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 01:50 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1997 points, 3383 turns, killed by a plains centaur on hdf-eu 02:00 DIED: k2 (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 11148 points, 9277 turns, killed by an air elemental on hardfought 02:07 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:12 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 02:19 DIED: sluggoman (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 403 points, 369 turns, killed by a dwarf on hardfought 02:48 DIED: nht (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 184 points, 139 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning on hdf-eu 02:51 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 765 points, 218 turns, killed by an arrow on hdf-eu 03:06 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 8247 points, 8250 turns, petrified by a cockatrice, while getting stoned on hdf-eu 03:12 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 03:14 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1624 points, 1130 turns, killed by a gnome on hdf-eu 03:14 DIED: Raisse (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 580 points, 4106 turns, killed by a kobold zombie, while fainted from lack of food on hdf-eu 03:14 -!- elenmirie\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:14 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie\splat 03:20 [nh4] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 82360 points, T:50031, killed by a black pudding, while fainted from lack of food 03:26 ASCENDED: firemonkey (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1952104 points, 28311 turns, ascended on hardfought 03:26 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/f/firemonkey/dn36/dumplog/1510785879.dn36.txt 03:27 TROPHY: firemonkey just earned the Birdie (with bells on!) 03:35 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 03:35 -!- firemonkey\splat has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 03:36 -!- elenmirie\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:36 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie\splat 03:39 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 03:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 03:43 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:06 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:08 DIED: Rex (Rog-Hum-Fem-Cha), 323 points, 649 turns, killed by a gnome on hdf-eu 04:11 DIED: Rex (Rog-Hum-Fem-Cha), 258 points, 468 turns, killed by a sewer rat on hdf-eu 04:13 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 04:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 04:19 DIED: Rex (Rog-Hum-Fem-Cha), 760 points, 1219 turns, killed by a gnome on hdf-eu 04:25 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 12125 points, 9285 turns, killed by a gold golem on hdf-eu 04:26 CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! squolly accepted the Grue challenge. 04:29 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:32 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 04:32 CHALLENGE COMPLETED! squolly completed the Grue challenge. 05:01 DIED: deki (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1375 points, 1763 turns, killed by a human zombie on hdf-eu 05:18 DIED: squolly (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 34612 points, 17638 turns, killed by a priestess of Anshar on hardfought 05:28 CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! deki accepted the Dig-Dug challenge. 05:30 -!- mcnick has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:34 DIED: deki (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 7737 points, 5191 turns, petrified by a chickatrice, while getting stoned on hdf-eu 05:45 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1182 points, 695 turns, killed by a dart, while frozen by a potion on hdf-eu 05:47 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 144 points, 107 turns, killed by a wand on hdf-eu 05:50 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 66 points, 173 turns, killed by a wand, while helpless on hdf-eu 05:58 QUIT: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1611 points, 681 turns, quit on hdf-eu 05:59 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 305 points, 134 turns, killed by a dwarf on hdf-eu 06:02 [4k] KickyMcAssington (KickyMcAssingtn) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 10620 points, T:6403, killed by a rope golem 06:18 QUIT: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1610 points, 894 turns, quit on hdf-eu 06:19 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 108 points, 84 turns, killed by a goblin on hdf-eu 06:22 -!- katung has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:25 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 682 points, 298 turns, killed by a gnome lord on hdf-eu 06:31 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 06:46 DIED: Tariru (Ran-Elf-Fem-Cha), 14229 points, 12229 turns, killed by a giant spider, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hdf-eu 07:03 -!- dave____ has joined #hardfought 07:13 DIED: spontiff (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 500 points, 34021 turns, killed by a wererat on hdf-eu 07:18 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 07:18 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 07:23 ASCENDED: Entitas (Sam-Hum-Fem-Law), 2072944 points, 35090 turns, ascended on hardfought 07:23 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/E/Entitas/dn36/dumplog/1511013957.dn36.txt 07:36 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 980 points, 1523 turns, killed by a small mimic on hdf-eu 07:41 DIED: davez (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 110844 points, 22200 turns, petrified by a cockatrice on hdf-eu 07:45 DIED: Raisse (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 477 points, 1794 turns, killed by a bat, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hdf-eu 07:46 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 205 points, 361 turns, killed by a grid bug on hdf-eu 07:54 DIED: davez (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 2567 points, 2617 turns, killed by a boiling potion on hdf-eu 08:03 DIED: Raisse (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1964 points, 3282 turns, killed by a hill orc on hdf-eu 08:07 DIED: Raisse (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 246 points, 708 turns, killed by a water demon on hdf-eu 08:08 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 102 points, 63 turns, killed by a water moccasin on hdf-eu 08:12 DIED: Raisse (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 425 points, 845 turns, killed by a coyote on hdf-eu 08:16 DIED: Raisse (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 228 points, 608 turns, killed by a sewer rat on hdf-eu 08:21 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 940 points, 1503 turns, killed by a rothe on hdf-eu 08:24 DIED: Raisse (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 413 points, 621 turns, poisoned by a water moccasin on hdf-eu 08:28 -!- dave____ has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:35 -!- Kontroller is now known as Kontroller\unfoo 08:39 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1167 points, 3466 turns, killed by a dog on hdf-eu 08:47 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:51 [dnh] porkmantwo (Bin Inc Mal Non) killed Sir Garland, on T:13359 08:52 DIED: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 3808 points, 6274 turns, killed by a fire ant on hdf-eu 08:54 [dnh] porkmantwo (Bin Inc Mal Non) wished for "blessed fireproof greased +3 ogresmasher", on T:13400 08:55 [nh4] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 23081 points, T:946, killed by a giant bat 09:02 [dnh] porkmantwo (Bin Inc Mal Non) was given the Pen of the Void, on T:13685 09:06 -!- Jendic has joined #hardfought 09:11 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 09:22 DIED: dgoddard (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 3187 points, 2387 turns, killed by a gnome on hardfought 09:48 DIED: dgoddard (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 3241 points, 2933 turns, killed by a horse on hardfought 09:50 is there a *good* solution anyone's come up with to prevent a summonstorm with the Medusa titan? 09:50 [dnh] porkmantwo (Bin Inc Mal Non) wished for "blessed fireproof greased +3 grayswandir", on T:14878 09:51 [dnh] porkmantwo (Bin Inc Mal Non) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:14882 09:51 because right now, he's staying quite a safe 5 squares away and I can't leave the upstairs for fear of the master mind flayers he's summonin 09:51 summoning* 09:53 ...and now there's a red dragon that burnt up my scroll of scare monster 09:54 dig down? 09:54 am on the staircase 09:54 press F 09:54 and that wouldn't really help the summonstorm 09:54 it wouldn't fix the storm, no 09:54 but you could go down, pop up, kill doosie, go back down. deal with storm later. 09:55 I guess you can't get off the stairs tho 09:55 can I wand of death him? 09:55 I already burnt one WoD charge on master mind flayers 09:55 okay that worked 09:56 !calc 70 / ( 100 + 12 - 16 ) 09:57 i think the titan had a 73% chance to resist? according to a quick wikiing 09:57 last time i saw a titan i tamed it :3 09:58 nothing resists death in vanilla 09:58 unless it has player MR or magic missile attack 09:58 aha 10:00 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 10:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 10:02 except now there are 3 minotaurs surrounding the stairs and I don't think I have a 100% chance of surviving one turn 10:04 YASI: if you're polymorphed into a red dragon, you can fire-engrave on the ground with your breath 10:05 I could totally see that with a lightning dragon 10:06 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:09 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 10:16 Beholder: messages? 10:17 YANI: when you fall into water, you are asked if you want to attempt a teleport spell. If you do, it costs energy. 10:17 actually that might be even more annoying 10:21 wow, 4 blessed scrolls of enchant weapon for only +4 10:21 rip 10:25 blaaaargh 10:25 electric eels 10:25 now I am stuck on a small island on medusa with no wand of death, no wand of teleportation, and no ring of levitation 10:32 DIED: Tariru (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 5816 points, 5653 turns, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping on hdf-eu 10:35 DIED: Tariru (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 131 points, 470 turns, killed by a burning book on hdf-eu 10:43 DIED: jackofclubs (Cav-Dwa-Mal-Law), 2453 points, 4589 turns, killed by a snake on hardfought 10:44 DIED: jmcunx (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2112 points, 3486 turns, killed by a hobgoblin, while fainted from lack of food on hardfought 10:46 -!- firemonkey\splat has joined #hardfought 10:47 QUIT: Tariru (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1101 points, 1940 turns, quit on hdf-eu 10:50 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 10:51 YANI: rename "potion of gain level" to "potion of level up" 10:51 -!- Demo has joined #hardfought 10:51 [dnh] porkmantwo (Bin Inc Mal Non) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:18274 10:51 hows stuff? 10:53 aosdict: re dungeon overhaul: what would your opinion be on the level 14 barrier (or maybe even a level 15 or 16 barrier) if there were a dedicated branch in the deeper dungeons for level-grinding purposes? 10:53 perhaps one which generates a lot of wraiths 10:53 eh. 10:54 I'd prefer that the player can get up to quest level without too much extra effort (barring things like paci) 10:54 therefore I would like to see either the XL threshold reduced or the Xp curve reduced 10:54 hi 10:54 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 10:54 I was wondering if that might work as a compromise 10:54 ais523: speaking of wraiths, I was considering either making wraiths not follow you at all, or record "graveyard monster" as a flag 10:55 and dedicating a branch to wraiths... ehhh 10:55 so corpse leaving isn't dependant on the current level, but rather where it was generated 10:55 to remove wraith luring 10:55 undead are already overused enough in the game 10:55 as a mechanic 10:55 I see the game as a sequence of milestones of varying natures, + an ability to influence how you achieve those 10:55 from a strategic point of view 10:55 at least, that would be the ideal 10:55 removing milestones thus simply serves to make the game less insteresting 10:56 YANI for variants with scrolls of consecration: reading a non-cursed scroll while confused removes the graveyard flag from a level. 10:56 xl 14 is a milestone that's very different in nature from most of the others and already allows for tradeoffs trying to hit it 10:56 ais523: in my current game 10:56 its main problem is just that sometimes luck is against you 10:56 and gives no way to reach it 10:56 I had one potion of gain level, and saw a wraith and decided to fight it 10:56 then I got drained from xl11 down to about 8 or 9 10:57 another possibility would be to have rooms with high-level monsters that give lots of exp, that could easily be avoided 10:57 poof, now I have no way to do the quest for a while 10:57 heh 10:57 hooray for MC nerf :P 10:57 @v? wraith 10:57 wraith (W) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 12 | Res: cold sleep poison petrification drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 15 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Attacks: 1d6 touch level drain | Alignment: -6 | Flags: genocidable, flies, breathless, unsolid, undead, stalker 10:57 (then again, MC was a bit OP to begin with) 10:57 aosdict: did you not have intrinsic speed? 10:57 don't remember. I'm a tourist so wouldn't have had it intrinsically. 10:57 ais523: in 3.6.0, everything effectively has +1 spee 10:57 d 10:58 because not only is speed randomized, but it is randomized *against you* 10:58 yeah i like 3.4.3 10:58 yes, that's a problem 10:58 I changed that for 3.6.1 10:58 anyway, losing multiple levels to a speed 12 monster strikes me as being likely to be a tactical mistake 10:58 that said, maybe the punishment for the mistake in this case is disproportionate 10:59 [dnh] porkmantwo (Bin Inc Mal Non) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:19266 10:59 but after losing one level, it might have been worthwhile using an escape item, and finding another monster to level back up off 10:59 but you get the overall point 10:59 especially if I were unspoiled 10:59 in general NetHack has a lot of flexibility and should allow mistakes like that, but I feel uncomfortable saying that mistakes should always have no consequences 10:59 aosdict: actually that only happened because you were spoiled 10:59 one thing I don't like with leveldrain outside FIQHack and dNetHack 11:00 if an unspoiled player loses a level they typically panic and treat the enemy as much more dangerous than it actually is 11:00 is that it is very hard to regain lost levels beyond the first 11:00 and more tedious than anything 11:00 FIQ: yes, I'm OK with having lost levels easier to regain 11:00 thats a good idea 11:00 dNetHack and FIQHack solves this slightly differently, but the end result is similar 11:00 do you have a specific proposal? if you have an algorithm that works I'd be willing to try to sneak it into vanilla 11:00 dNetHack quintuples XP gain up to your last level 11:01 FIQHack doubles XP gain per lost level and makes full healing able to restore all, rather than half, of the lost levels 11:01 hmm, I prefer the FIQHack approach there 11:01 does that work with self drain shenanigans? well, I guess such shenanigans don't work in dnh 11:01 although maybe I'd use a more common item than full healing 11:01 restore ability! 11:01 ais523: this is a buff to full healing 11:01 it already restored lost levels 11:01 aosdict: was about to say that 11:01 but only half of them 11:01 FIQ: I know 11:02 but !oFH is already something that players are incentivised to collet 11:02 but yes, you could use restore ability here 11:02 *collect 11:02 (and maybe remove the level gain from FH completely?) 11:02 keeping it restoring half would work 11:02 and be easier to slip past the rest of the devteam :-) 11:02 it does that by reducing your "max reached level" 11:02 yes 11:02 that's how I remember it, although I want to check the code to make cetain 11:02 *certain 11:02 so quaffing 1 FH + 1 RA is worse than 1 RA + 1 FH 11:02 that's why I suggested removing it 11:03 since it would interact oddly with each other 11:03 not sure +oRestoreAbility should restore levels though 11:03 oh, I was going to make a !oRA restore all the levels at once 11:03 odd interactions are the whole game though 11:03 ahh 11:03 aosdict: no 11:03 the potion should 11:03 aosdict: right, just the potion, not the spell 11:03 the spell probably shouldn't 11:03 should BCU matter? 11:03 maybe 11:03 uncursed could restore just 1 11:03 and blessed all 11:03 ais523: cursed does nothing, uncursed restores 1 level, blessed restores all? 11:04 like it does ability status 11:04 yeah 11:04 heh 11:04 I was leaning towards that too 11:04 let's try this out 11:05 another thing FIQHack did wrt that is that it made level drain proportional 11:06 i.e. if you were at level 12, 50% towards 13 11:06 sure there's no niche use that you can squeeze onto Cursed? 11:06 it drains to level 11, 50% to 12 11:06 there are 3 states for each item and it's a shame not to use them all 11:06 esp because gaining unholy water is more interesting than gaining holy water 11:07 how about cursed restores 1, uncursed half, blessed all 11:07 hmm 11:07 aosdict: cursed RA currently does nothing though 11:08 well I agree with shpingrlde that having a potion state that does nothing is boring 11:08 if cursed rest-abil made you lose some stats, you could quaff it, in the hopes of losing con-wis. drain yourself. then quaff uncursed RA and gain the levels back 11:08 lol 11:08 that doesn't work in 3.6 anymore 11:08 ah! 11:09 but speaking of making cursed things do something 11:09 you could make cursed gain ability give you an attribute point in something... by taking it from something else :) 11:11 yani: ^ 11:13 DIED: k2 (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 992 points, 1637 turns, killed by a killer bee on hardfought 11:16 yes! speed boots in the castle 11:17 @aosdict just found jumping there myself :D 11:17 jumping buddies 11:17 * aosdict is now casting jumping to cross the trapdoors 11:18 ...once again, I entered the Valley without even getting the wand of wishing or sitting on the throne. What's wrong with me? 11:18 i should watch cause i dont feel like playing 11:18 DIED: k2 (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 552 points, 690 turns, killed by a giant bat on hardfought 11:19 that seems totally reasonable, for a chaosdictionary 11:20 DIED: k2 (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 20 points, 73 turns, killed by a grid bug on hardfought 11:20 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 11:22 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 11:22 OK, pushed to vanilla, it'll become public in a few hours; let's see if anyone yells at me 11:22 FIQ: by taking it from one of your top two stats, but randomly picking which one (50/50 chance) -- that way you can't guarantee utility, but there's still a potential for circumstantial use 11:22 DIED: k2 (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 320 points, 344 turns, killed by a gnome on hardfought 11:22 (!oRA restoring levels, that is; I didn't change c!oRA) 11:23 -!- aoei is now known as aoei\splat 11:24 welp, there goes my entire attempt at stealth in the valley 11:24 FIQ: in fiqhack, are monsters not completely stupid about realizing they can't escape with a wand of digging on an undiggable level? 11:25 they gotta make sure you cant get any use out of the wand when you kill them :P 11:26 aosdict: they will still try 11:26 but they catch on (like in vanilla) 11:26 aosdict: ok, so for partial poison 11:27 I was going to do this: 11:27 * attribute damage happens 3 times less often 11:27 * when it does happen, it's a 3rd of what is usually is 11:27 * additional damage is halved 11:28 so poison instadeath is now 1/2 maxhp? 11:28 also, half physical damage will no longer protect against it (why did this ever do?) 11:28 aosdict: FIQHack replaced poison instadeath with the affected attribute being reduced by 1 point permanently 11:29 (permanently here meaning "you can't use restore ability/unihorn/whatever) 11:29 " 11:29 Oh, can the PYEC not charge oil lamps? Weird. 11:30 can scrolls of charging charge oil lamps? 11:30 it's not really charging flavourwise, more like refilling 11:30 (whereas brass lanterns actually are charged, with electric charge) 11:30 it can 11:30 yeahcan charge 11:31 FIQ: so I assume that the permanent reduction wouldn't take effect if you have resistance 11:31 aosdict: it can 11:31 but happens 3 times less often 11:31 oh 11:31 this means that the most likely source is reduced from 1/8 to 1/24 11:31 DIED: k2 (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1872 points, 1279 turns, killed by a water moccasin on hardfought 11:31 now, because of symmetry, does this mean that poisoned weapons are significantly nerfed versus monsters? 11:32 *non-resistant monsters 11:32 what do you mean? 11:32 there is no chance for non-resistant things 11:32 oh 11:32 I see what you mean 11:32 yeah, no instakill 11:32 DIED: k2 (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 58 points, 93 turns, killed by a tower of flame on hardfought 11:33 and I assume the +d6 damage doesn't happen either 11:34 ? 11:34 the +d6 still happens 11:34 just like for players 11:34 well, sometimes 11:34 oh, it does 11:34 basically 11:34 player poison 11:34 will either do extra damage 11:34 (d6) 11:34 !rng try for Magicbane | wish up Grayswandir and wreck everything 11:34 aosdict: try for Magicbane 11:35 but... 11:35 or d10+5 11:35 depending on if it's a thrown weapon or not 11:35 or it will reduce attribute points 11:35 or it will kill 11:35 in FIQHack, the kill is replaced by permanent attribute damage 11:35 otherwise there is no other difference with no resistances 11:36 with poison resistance (after these changes) 11:36 attribute damage is 3 times less likely, meaning normal damage is more common 11:36 normal damage is halved 11:36 attribute damage is reduced to 1/3 11:36 and permanent attribute damage is 3 times more unlikely 11:36 for monsters 11:36 does extrinsic poison res (GDSM, etc.) give complete immunity to poison effects? 11:36 replace attribute damage with max HP damage 11:36 with these changes? 11:36 I assume so 11:36 yes 11:37 -!- dave__ has joined #hardfought 11:37 ais523: you have an immunity if you have it extrinsically, or innately as part of your base form in all cases 11:37 (meaning you didn't gain it on level up) 11:38 note that in FIQHack 11:38 YASI: rename black dragons to sable dragons and red dragons to scarlet dragons, so we can have even more confusion on what GDSM and SDSM means 11:38 a timed trinsic is regarded as an extrinsic 11:38 DIED: k2 (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1222 points, 576 turns, killed by a gnome lord, while sleeping on hardfought 11:38 [dnh] porkmantwo (Bin Inc Mal Non), 425278 points, T:21681, poisoned by a swamp fern spore 11:38 but this doesn't matter in this case 11:38 because no elemental damage types can be temporary 11:38 aosdict: I've been reading your quest level overhaul; you probably missed that the cave layout in the Cave of the Wumpus is identical to that in the computer game "Hunt the Wumpus" 11:39 ais523: I also made telepathy use the same system 11:39 which explains the exact number of rooms involved and how they're arranged 11:39 meaning mind flayers (and floating eyes) now have "extrinsic" telepathy 11:39 innately 11:39 FIQ: I'm fine with that, was just checking to see if you'd done it the way I wanted 11:39 as you had there's no real reason to complain 11:39 ais523: hunt the wumpus was a text adventure, I thought 11:40 hmm 11:40 aosdict: it is, but the rooms all have numbers and all have connections to specific other rooms 11:40 as in, there was no actual map with squares 11:40 this change means stinking clouds becomes an actual threat 11:40 so it's still possible to draw the map out topologically 11:40 I have no issues with this 11:40 I have no issue with that either 11:40 maybe I should generate it in monster inventories :-) 11:40 they're very dangerous against monsters in vanilla 11:40 just the player can resist them pretty easily 11:40 currently they use it, but aren't generated with it IIRC 11:41 oh wait 11:41 they are 11:41 just checked 11:41 ais523: not seeing why the map couldn't be rearranged but still keep the same structure 11:41 as long as all the proper rooms are still connected 11:42 http://sprunge.us/ZdXf item generation of offensive items in fiqhack 11:42 mostly unchanged from vanilla 11:43 aosdict: yes, you could rearrange it 11:43 to keep the same topological structure 11:43 although it's a fairly rigid one so more or less all you could really change would be the sizes and positions of the rooms 11:44 I mean, the main impetus of rearranging stuff is to fit the overall "sideways moving" feel of the quest 11:44 you could easily just take the level as is and slap entry and exit corridors on the sides 11:47 aosdict: OBTW, shock resistance will not save you from divine retribution 11:48 only immunity will 11:48 makes sense 11:48 ais523: any other thoughts on the quest redesigns? I'm looking for some more feedback before I start designing actual levels 11:49 (although, I already did do Arc-home and Arc-loca) 11:49 aosdict: I was mostly fine with them 11:50 FIQ: Thinking about orctown again, perhaps the survivors should flee UP the mines, instead of down them. Orctown games would then have (some number of) shops high up in the mines, a hard fight halfway down, and a normal mines end. 11:51 dNethack has more options for where the refugees could end up, I lean towards outside the windowless tower, on the right-hand side of the river. 11:52 CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! sluggoman accepted the Dig-Dug challenge. 11:52 DIED: larry (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 392 points, 2244 turns, poisoned by a rotted kobold corpse on hardfought 11:52 Chris_ANG: possibly 11:53 but then orctown should be made harder 11:53 maybe it's not barricaded then, and the orcs can swarm out of the town? 11:53 ais523: btw, since "30 turns of paralysis" isn't much better than "60 turns of paralysis", I made sleep resistance do 2 things: 11:54 wrong highlight, but anyway 11:54 * duration reduced to 1/3 11:54 * each turn, you have a 10% chance to wake up 11:54 surely the best fix is to increase the probability that combat wakes you up? 11:54 maybe even to 100% when attacked directly or taking damage 11:54 ais523: the issue is, not all combat wakes up 11:54 in fact 11:54 make it so that it does 11:54 basically no combat does 11:54 only melee 11:55 I put "taking damage" in there as a catchall 11:55 ah 11:55 although, you could go even further, and make nomul() wake you up 11:55 if you have sleep resistance 11:55 you have been damaged by NH3 11:55 nomul doesn't exist in NH4 :P 11:55 (and are actually asleep, obviously) 11:55 what does nomul do anyway 11:55 I forgot 11:56 DIED: k2 (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 2166 points, 2246 turns, killed by a white unicorn on hardfought 11:56 you mean that another helplessness should wake you up? 11:56 it cancels occupations and multiturn actions, and applies helplessness 11:56 you can call it with an argument of 0 to apply no helplessness, in which case it just cancels actions 11:56 okay, wishing up Grayswandir and wrecking everything was definitely the way to go 11:56 ahh 11:56 nomul(0) is commonly used when, say, you take damage or a monster comes into view 11:56 so action_interrupted 11:56 right 11:57 hm but I think that makes sleep res basically the same as immunity 11:57 also I'm in NH3 mode right now (having been commiting to vanilla and working on the TAS) 11:57 I still want it to be a danger, just not a critical danger 11:57 FIQ: the difference is that, say, if you step onto a sleep trap 11:57