00:01 [nd] Menche (Ran Gno Mal Neu) made his first wish - "wand of death", on T:919 00:02 HAHAHA 00:02 rubbed a magic lamp in a shop 00:02 CHALLENGE COMPLETED! k2 completed the Pac-Man challenge. 00:02 got a usage fee I could not repay 00:02 wished for a WoD and WoDded that shopkeep 00:02 now I have plenty of money 00:02 hm 00:02 I think I still would have paid for the lamp 00:03 the usage fee was 113zm and I only had 20zm 00:03 and wished for DSM or something 00:03 I mean I would have bought the lamp before rubbing it 00:03 also too expensive 00:04 got a couple attack wands 00:04 What if you hadn't gotten the wish? 00:05 then I would have been very dead 00:06 Heh, lucky you then 00:30 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:30 -!- stenno is now known as Guest15724 00:34 -!- Guest15724 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:37 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has joined #hardfought 00:38 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 00:40 hm, I wonder if I could get away with turning door states into an enum 00:40 currently it defines NODOOR, BROKEN, ISOPEN, CLOSED, LOCKED, and TRAPPED 00:41 but all of those are separate bits 00:41 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:41 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:42 so a door state of 11001 (trapped locked broken) doesn't make sense, for example 00:44 aosdict: but some combinations do (trapped+locked+closed), you'd have to take that into account somehow if you enumerated them. 00:44 Right, I need to enumerate the possible combinations. 00:45 What I'm trying to do here is squeeze IRON into a bit. 00:45 I guess locked implies closed, so really you could just keep the trapped bit as a separate flag. 00:46 yeah, so I think you can squeeze (nodoor, broken, open, closed) into 2 bits 00:46 -!- katung has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:46 then there's 1 bit for trapped, 1 for iron, and 1 to spare 00:46 but then you need to find everywhere that checks for closed, and check for closed||locked. 00:46 mhm 00:47 or write some macros to do it. 00:47 oh right, you would need the extra bit for locking 00:48 so trapped and locked can only be applied to closed doors, but they're completely independent if the door is closed - it could be any combination of trapped and locked 00:50 if you really needed _2_ bits, you could enum (nodoor, broken, open, closed !locked !trap, closed locked !trap, closed !locked trap, closed locked trap) into 3 bits 00:52 Interestingly, in a 3.6.0 game the other day, I closed a shop door from the inside, and locked it, then got harrassed by a watchman (also inside the shop) for unlocking it, but proceeded to do it anyway, then it exploded when I opened it. 00:53 so something weird happened with the trapping of that door (since it must have either started opened, or I opened it before without triggering the trap). 00:54 ...unless I followed a dwarf in who dug through the wall or someting. 00:54 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:57 are shop doors *ever* supposed to be trapped? 00:58 Interestingly, the shopkeeper didn't get angry. 00:59 DIED: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 4660 points, 5776 turns, killed by an ogre on hdf-eu 01:10 bleh, will return to doors tomorrow. Need sleep. 01:10 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:30 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 01:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 01:30 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:31 -!- stenno is now known as Guest53998 01:35 CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! k2 accepted the Waldo challenge. 01:35 -!- Guest53998 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:38 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 01:40 -!- notzmv has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:42 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:43 LarienTelrunya: grats to release 01:43 huh? what release? 01:44 2.1.1 01:44 heh, thanks :) I'm working on something even bigger though - 2.1.2 will greatly increase the size of the dungeon! 01:52 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:02 DIED: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 2445 points, 3138 turns, killed by a gold golem, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hdf-eu 02:02 -!- elenmirie\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:04 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 02:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 02:05 -!- elenmirie is now known as elenmirie\splat 02:09 DIED: elenmirie (Cav-Gno-Fem-Neu), 230 points, 599 turns, killed by a giant rat, while sleeping on hdf-eu 02:22 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 02:23 YANI for dnethack: why are there just plain priests on the Astral Plane? There should clearly be a couple hostile elder priests, because it may not be that players are surviving the endgame. :D 02:25 YASI for aosdict's YANI: failing to untrap a falling rock trap dumps all the remaining rocks at once on *you*. 02:31 DIED: Raisse (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1918 points, 5271 turns, killed by an elf zombie on hdf-eu 02:33 DIED: elenmirie (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1885 points, 2647 turns, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs on hdf-eu 02:42 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:52 8[ 02:53 DIED: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 2429 points, 4431 turns, petrified by a cockatrice egg, while getting stoned on hdf-eu 03:04 -!- Schrubber1 has left #hardfought 03:14 FIQ: You lousy scummer, you broke the scoreboard! 03:22 sometimes I get off just from touching the scoreboard! 03:22 * shpingrlde looks at fiq's score to underwstand wtf is being talked aobut 03:23 oops lost my protection lol 03:23 shpingrlde: FIQ is scumming like hell, so he has more than 1000 games already. 03:24 nice 03:24 !gtootc 03:25 had like 8 protection too lmao 03:25 rip me 03:26 also i didn't realize but gremlin stole my fire resist and was wondering why my hp kept on getting reduced 03:38 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:41 -!- raisse is now known as raisse\splat 03:44 DIED: elenmirie (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 3933 points, 7676 turns, killed by a quasit on hdf-eu 03:51 -!- hpardis has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 03:56 -!- mcnick has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:59 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:03 haha, apparently the dungeon can really be very deep: http://i.4cdn.org/vg/1510909355587.png :) 04:25 just cleaned vlad's tower 04:25 second time getting this far, fun fun 04:37 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:46 EPI: an infinite dungeon that you may stumble into if you enter the wrong trapdoor from the castle level 04:48 DIED: kupopo (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 15151 points, 8987 turns, killed by an owlbear on hardfought 05:01 DIED: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 2462 points, 3624 turns, killed by a killer bee on hdf-eu 05:03 DIED: khamul (Bar-Hum-Mal-Cha), 5246 points, 3967 turns, petrified by a cockatrice on hdf-eu 05:10 ASCENDED: Entitas (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1961140 points, 30586 turns, ascended on hardfought 05:11 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/E/Entitas/dn36/dumplog/1510871000.dn36.txt 05:12 TROPHY: Entitas just earned the Hat Trick 05:16 DIED: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 976 points, 1353 turns, killed by a kobold, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hdf-eu 05:17 DIED: elenmirie (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 3981 points, 4562 turns, killed by a killer bee on hdf-eu 05:18 DIED: elenmirie (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 112 points, 215 turns, killed by a jackal on hdf-eu 05:18 DIED: elenmirie (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 0 points, 4 turns, killed by a jackal on hdf-eu 05:44 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 05:45 Beholder: messages? 05:58 TROPHY: 💩 now holds the Best In Show 05:58 this is what happened after I added massive bats to fiddlehack. violet shriekers now look like gnomes (capital dark yellow/brown G) and the oracle is uh, thanking me for freeing her? http://i.imgur.com/Hsp3xSC.png 06:00 how did poo just get best in show? deaths? 06:01 the scores have actually gone down by quite a bit... 06:02 it looks like the challenge points have disappeared (at least mine have) 06:02 ah, yep 06:02 shpingrlde: does that mean you and "yer mivvagah" are the same person? 06:02 good sleuthing. interesting bug 06:02 yes 06:03 prisoners are most probably the next entry in the monster list after the oracle? 06:08 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:08 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 06:11 yeah, something like that probably 06:11 a bunch of things off-by-one 06:12 I searched for every entry that mentioned "giant bat" and I tried to mention massive bat in the same files. but clearly there's sumpin I don't know and didn't turn up in the search 06:12 Mandevil\splat: Sorry, I was trying to cause a trickery 06:12 well, giant.*bat 06:12 which I did by accident during testing by starting games really fast 06:12 But I didn't manage to 06:12 DIED: arnibald (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1224 points, 2278 turns, killed by a Woodland-elf called Wally, while sleeping on hardfought 06:14 Chris_ANG: why is the thing beneath Pale Night's veil so horribly bad that seeing it is an instadeath which cannot be lifesaved? i.e. what even is under the veil? 06:17 hmm 06:17 poo is just 0.05 points above ootc lol 06:17 until the scobode gets fixed yeah 06:17 hmm? 06:18 [12:09] Public service announcement: the scoreboard seems to have dropped points for completed challenges. Engineer has been called. 06:18 what's wrong 06:18 see what elenmirie said 06:18 ah 06:18 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:18 FIQ: you should put your fuzzer to work on causing a trickery 06:18 but I already did 06:18 -!- stenno is now known as Guest97898 06:18 nothing happened 06:18 oh, that's what that was :D 06:18 nifty 06:19 and apparently I broke things 06:19 again... 06:19 aosdict: 7b0f71d79f36 06:19 TROPHY: OrderOfTheCockatrice now holds the Best In Show 06:19 http://144.76.106.52:7000/chillout.mp3 is nice 06:19 oh nice 06:19 we're back on top 06:19 aosdict: Also, 74953cdeca12 06:19 I _think_ that second one is relevant to flint. 06:23 -!- Guest97898 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:25 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 06:27 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1029 points, 1007 turns, killed by touching Sting on hardfought 06:30 DIED: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 624 points, 2830 turns, killed by a bat on hardfought 06:31 have I really not been killed by a newt yet 06:31 aosdict: I thought I had also buffed their damage numbers, but it appears not. 06:32 FIQ: newts are fairly unlikely to kill you if you play normally. 06:33 In fact, let's do that now. 06:38 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 936 points, 998 turns, killed by a little dog on hardfought 06:40 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 14 points, 141 turns, killed by a guard on hardfought 06:41 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 176 turns, killed by a newt on hardfought 06:42 DIED: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 889 points, 2019 turns, killed by a paper golem, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hardfought 06:43 I've also not been killed by team a yet 06:44 That should happen naturally if you play fast and reckless. 06:46 DIED: elenmirie (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 4046 points, 3870 turns, killed by a rabid rat on hdf-eu 06:46 DIED: FIQ (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 260 points, 551 turns, killed by a boulder on hardfought 06:48 -!- Kontroller\unfoo has joined #hardfought 06:49 DIED: FIQ (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 39 points, 141 turns, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph on hardfought 06:51 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 06:57 jonadab: buff luckstone / touchstone damage too imo. in case a player gets extras. imo cool yani: luckstone damage is lowish but has the potential for "lucky" hits that instagib most monsters up to difficulty 5 or so 06:58 because sometimes you have 5 luckstones and you feel like a fool for risking the baddies in mines end when all these lucstones are layin around :P 06:58 [fh] UnfortunateSplickettyLickett (bonemon) (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 14336 points, T:327, killed by an acid blob 07:00 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 07:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 07:01 -!- notzmv has joined #hardfought 07:01 -!- notzmv is now known as Guest86916 07:01 -!- Guest86916 is now known as zmv 07:02 -!- zmv is now known as notzmv 07:03 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:11 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:19 FIQ: spec bonemon 07:20 [fh] Satoshi VIII (puck) (Sam Hum Mal Law) averted death, on T:38315 07:25 [fh] Satoshi VIII (puck) (Sam Hum Mal Law), 93969 points, T:38361, killed by invisible Asmodeus' ball of cold 07:27 DIED: elenmirie (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 5288 points, 2040 turns, killed by an orc zombie, while praying on hdf-eu 07:28 DIED: elenmirie (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 53 points, 135 turns, killed by a water demon on hdf-eu 07:31 DIED: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 782 points, 2229 turns, killed by a giant ant on hardfought 07:33 DIED: elenmirie (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 527 points, 1155 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion on hdf-eu 07:47 DIED: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 856 points, 1820 turns, killed by a giant bat on hardfought 07:54 DIED: eitbo (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 9376 points, 7642 turns, killed by an invisible stalker on hardfought 08:04 DIED: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 871 points, 2685 turns, killed by a pony, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hardfought 08:07 ok 08:15 K2: I need bonemon's save 08:16 or maybe it still finished 08:17 in which I can check the log dir 08:19 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:19 -!- stenno is now known as Guest53553 08:23 ASCENDED: spontiff (Val-Dwa-Mal-Law), 2578252 points, 52035 turns, ascended on hdf-eu 08:23 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/spontiff/dn36/dumplog/1510748881.dn36.txt 08:23 -!- Guest53553 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:24 TROPHY: spontiff just earned the Dilithium Star 08:27 DIED: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 603 points, 1653 turns, killed by a giant bat on hardfought 08:30 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 08:40 DIED: eitbo (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1329 points, 1298 turns, poisoned by a rotted green mold corpse on hardfought 08:41 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:51 K2: no I need the save -- it did produce a log entry, but the save was never moved to log/ 08:51 ok 08:51 gonna be a lil bit 08:52 fair 08:53 -!- StinkyGreene has joined #hardfought 08:53 !tell ais523 heh, we talked about the issues of double-logging merely a few days ago... today, someone got a panic in the DYWYPI prompt, *after* the log was created 08:53 Will do, FIQ! 09:10 DIED: FIQ (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 0 points, 34 turns, killed by a jackal called Death on hdf-au 09:16 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 425 points, 308 turns, killed by an acidic corpse on hdf-au 09:16 DIED: eitbo (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2485 points, 2662 turns, killed by an ape on hardfought 09:17 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 47 points, 50 turns, killed by a little dart on hdf-au 09:17 jonadab: yeah, so I think the nature of my flint buff is such that I don't really need to make it generate in larger stacks or give it decreased mulch rates. 09:18 (and I wish github's UI was better for finding specific commits... currently I forget, have to google "github find commit hash", and then get reminded I can just go to /owner/repo/commit/hash) 09:19 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:20 -!- stenno is now known as Guest25262 09:21 on the web ui at least, I click the most recent commit (since it's mentioned on the repo's front page) and then paste a hash I've been told about in place over the one for that recent commit 09:22 a searchable repo (not forked on github) can have commit descriptions searched, not just code, also 09:23 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:24 -!- Guest25262 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:28 aosdict: The github web UI is just horrific in general, I refuse to use it. 09:28 git was designed to work well at the command line. 09:29 I hate having to clone every repo locally though 09:29 web ui is convenient 09:30 web ui is practically a textbook case of inconvenient, as far as I'm concerned. 09:31 You can't even use it in a terminal session, because all the actual features are Javascript-based and won't work in a textmode browser. 09:31 The only reason I'm hosting my repo on github is because I don't have a VCS. 09:31 Otherwise I'd host there. 09:32 vcs stands for a lot of things 09:32 Err, VPS. 09:32 a server in the cloud 09:32 I have a server you could probably use 09:32 VCS is version control system, which I _do_ have. 09:33 wow 09:34 I can see why Tangles would want an AU server... 09:34 tried to fire up a game on it 09:34 Heh. 09:34 and my god the latency 09:34 Yeah, that's pretty much literally the other side of the planet. 09:36 DIED: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 5191 points, 4601 turns, killed by a shocking sphere on hardfought 09:38 how much of the web do you have access to with a textmode browser? 09:39 Most websites can be loaded at some level, but a lot of them have important features missing. 09:39 I only ever end up using one as an emergency fallback. or while setting up a distro 09:39 I can look at a commit hash in the github web UI for instance but can't search or log in or anything. 09:39 I went a whole week with nothing but text mode once when my main workstation was down due to PSU failure. 09:40 SO I was using the router as a workstation. 09:40 MOre or less. 09:40 jonadab: I do not care about the fact that github is designed for the modern web 09:40 And it didn't have an X server. 09:40 since I don't use a javascriptless textmode browser for everything 09:40 aosdict: For development work, I want to be able to leave a thing in a screen session when I get pulled away from my computer and be able to easily get back to it later, even if I'm at a different computer. 09:41 So I don't want to do dev work in a browser. 09:41 I would much rather look at git's commit diffs than command-line git diffs. 09:41 *github's 09:41 github's diffs are much slower 09:41 and provides no benefit over commandline diffs 09:41 Not that the github web UI is something I would care for even if I _did_ want to do that in a browser. It's terrible in a lot of ways. 09:41 at all 09:41 And I like not having to clone Fourk, or most nethack variants, and keep them all up-to-date to see acivity. 09:42 *activity, ugh 09:42 that's the biggest boon, yeah 09:42 aosdict: I mostly have remotes for that, on my one main repo. 09:42 you can watch the repositories and get mail when they update 09:42 without having to touch the github web UI at all 09:42 aside from toggling watching 09:42 also learned to read diffs *on* github. so I'm used to their style 09:42 but 09:42 their style is literally the same 09:42 just slower 09:42 FIQ: that would be rather more annoying to me than just looking on github at recent commits 09:43 also 09:43 you could also have a single directory for nethack fourks you want to follow 09:43 err, forks 09:43 nah, git diff colors are way less helpful to me. plus you have to page them awkwardly 09:43 and just git remote update 09:43 much more seamless 09:43 than having to go to each and every repo 09:43 to see if they are updated 09:45 Also, a difference between my situation and jonadab's: I have a single laptop that I use for basically all stuff. I don't have to log in on separate machines. 09:46 shpingrlde: OH, I can't enable colors on github because it uses white backgrounds. I'd have a headache inside of three minutes. 09:46 So its color-coding of diffs is not useful to me. 09:46 aosdict: You don't ever, like, go to work or anything? 09:47 Why would I be working on nethack stuff at work? 09:47 Oh, good point. 09:47 I sometimes do, particularly if I'm at the circ desk (in which case I can't leave the desk, so there are categories of work-related things I can't work on). 09:48 (And if there are no patrons, there are no patrons.) 09:48 (I do bounce my IRC connection and use *that* at work, but apart from doing some minor design stuff (just text files) over SSH I don't program or edit the wiki or anything.) 09:48 have y'all ever done the fabled "play roguelikes at work, and pass it off as code instead of a game"? 09:48 right, you work in a library at work, I think? 09:49 work work work 09:49 ugh it's early 09:50 Library, yes. 09:51 -!- notzmv has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:52 shpingrlde: eh, I would probably prefer to do development or design stuff instead of playing. 09:53 -!- notzmv has joined #hardfought 09:53 -!- notzmv is now known as Guest57566 09:53 But yeah, even at home, I have my main desktop in my bedroom, another desktop in the living room, and a laptop. Being stuck on the laptop (e.g., because I need to stay where I can monitor something in the kitchen) is annoying for dev work, because the screen is small and the keyboard is terrible. 09:54 I would NOT want to be stuck using that for everything all the time. 09:55 DIED: eitbo (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1562 points, 2682 turns, killed by a kitten on hardfought 09:58 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 984 points, 1998 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted succubus, while fainted from lack of food on hdf-au 10:01 DIED: FIQ (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 362 points, 318 turns, killed by a small mimic on hdf-au 10:05 DIED: dgoddard (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 11804 points, 3861 turns, killed by a vampire on hardfought 10:11 -!- Guest57566 is now known as zmv 10:11 DIED: larry (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 262 points, 1016 turns, killed by a hobgoblin on hardfought 10:11 -!- zmv is now known as notzmv 10:26 DIED: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1802 points, 2628 turns, killed by a giant spider on hardfought 10:27 DIED: Eleven (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Neu), 20408 points, 13877 turns, killed by a chameleon imitating an Olog-hai on hardfought 10:28 DIED: FIQ (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 982 points, 2037 turns, killed by a dwarf on hdf-au 10:28 I just play it at work and let everyone know I am screwin off 10:31 [fh] TKirby (tkirby) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 26518 points, T:1925, killed by a gas spore's explosion 10:35 DIED: eitbo (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1840 points, 3066 turns, killed by an orcish arrow on hardfought 10:35 DIED: eitbo (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 35 points, 75 turns, killed by a falling rock on hardfought 10:40 DIED: FIQ (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 903 points, 1790 turns, killed by a giant ant on hdf-eu 10:52 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 432 points, 290 turns, killed by a wererat on hdf-eu 10:54 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 308 points, 161 turns, killed by the Oracle on hdf-eu 10:55 -!- StinkyGreene has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:03 FIQ see pm 11:15 !tell K2 pushed a fix 11:15 Will do, FIQ! 11:16 K2: the save has already been completed and logged, it got stuck in the bones process -- you could just move it to log/ manually (and change perms) 11:17 !tell ais523 the game erroring during the bones creation allows you to 1) log things more than once, 2) rollbacking to before the death occured 11:17 Will do, FIQ! 11:21 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:21 -!- stenno is now known as Guest71279 11:22 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 11:25 FIQ: fix was just to .travis.yml ? 11:25 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-11-17 11:15 EST: pushed a fix 11:26 CHALLENGE COMPLETED! Delraven completed the Grue challenge. 11:26 -!- Guest71279 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:34 aosdict: lol just my luck https://ptpb.pw/yC2x.png walked over the portal to water blind 11:37 ooh, good on you for escaping that archonstorm 11:38 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 11:39 lol 11:39 i just walked 11:39 barely killed anything 11:39 er, levitated 11:41 try no 11:41 w 11:41 K2 11:42 [fh] TKirby (tkirby) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 40316 points, T:7810, killed by a wolf 11:43 -!- Porkmantwo has joined #hardfought 11:45 -!- Porkman has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:46 [fh] TKirby (tkirby) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 21771 points, T:907, quit 11:46 [fh] TKirby (tkirby) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 7374 points, T:293, killed by a falling rock 11:51 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 11:51 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 11:55 ASCENDED: winny (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 3140148 points, 59492 turns, ascended on hardfought 11:55 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/w/winny/dn36/dumplog/1510080922.dn36.txt 11:56 argh lag 11:57 TROPHY: winny just earned the Dilithium Star 11:58 yay 12:00 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:00 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 12:00 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:01 congrats winny!!! 12:01 :D 12:01 first for everything lol 12:01 -!- Porkman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 12:02 i lucked out, had famine 12:02 -!- Porkmantwo has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:02 now I'm not the only Fellowship member with a win, yay 12:02 (the first place i visited) 12:02 indeed! 12:03 -!- Webmant has joined #hardfought 12:03 should i print of the dumplog and frame it lmao 12:07 FIQhack updated 12:07 congrats winny! 12:08 -!- Porkman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:08 thanks :D 12:09 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 12:13 i should thank luxidream when i see them, their bones set me up from the beginning with an uncursed shield of reflection 12:13 dlvl16 12:15 that's hardly the beginning :P 12:15 need some chops to get down that far, unless you're digging for victory or something 12:16 -!- Porkman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:17 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 12:20 hmm 12:20 5 deaths below Wooble 12:20 almost there 12:22 -!- Porkman has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:23 [fh] TKirby (tkirby) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 33836 points, T:3519, killed by a giant ant 12:25 DIED: deki (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 3169 points, 4082 turns, killed by a little dog on hdf-eu 12:25 -!- spontiff has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:28 -!- StinkyGreene has joined #hardfought 12:31 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 12:34 -!- Webmant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:34 -!- tomahawk has joined #hardfought 12:40 ever gone the whole dungeon without finding magic missile? 12:40 shpingrlde: Yes. 12:40 -!- tomahawk has quit [Quit: i want depatsy and cure of baby boy, but not am baby boy, and i have soul products grow soul works with no brain, and Japan my friends, even if bad. no magick in Dante VATICAN] 12:40 But only if I don't polypile books. 12:40 that quit message... wat 12:42 Heh, it looks like someone fed a bunch of 4chan to a Markov chain generator. 12:43 There used to be a guy on raif whose signature was "And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..." 12:44 have you ever seen that "allah is doing" guy who pops up here and there on freenode occasionally? 12:45 Don't recall. 12:45 at one point, I registered that bot's nick out from under it 12:45 and I had a macro to ghost it whenever it logged in 12:47 jonadab: found this pastebin which should give you a pretty good idea: https://pastebin.com/xqQMdPb7 12:48 DIED: jackofclubs (Cav-Dwa-Mal-Law), 2356 points, 3755 turns, killed by a giant ant on hardfought 12:49 Eww, pulseaudio. 12:49 ...that is missing the point 12:49 Yeah, I know. 12:51 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 12:51 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 12:56 CHALLENGE IGNORED! ab5ni ignored the Dig-Dug challenge. 12:56 CHALLENGE IGNORED! ab5ni ignored the Joust challenge. 12:56 TROPHY: 💩 now holds the Best In Show 13:04 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 13:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 13:06 -!- StinkyGreene has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:16 ZAPM: HTTPS the Web Designer Killed by a clerkbot in Robot Town at depth 8. [9913 points] 13:20 -!- mcnick has joined #hardfought 13:21 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 13:22 -!- stenno is now known as Guest70398 13:24 DIED: ab5ni (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 7324 points, 6121 turns, killed by a giant zombie, while praying on hardfought 13:27 -!- Guest70398 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:35 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:36 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 13:49 [nh4] Nobbs (Val Hum Fem Law), 89593 points, T:30678, killed by a minotaur 13:53 DIED: Eleven (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Neu), 8340 points, 9075 turns, killed by a tengu on hardfought 13:56 [fh] TKirby (tkirby) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 31388 points, T:2710, killed by a hobgoblin 13:58 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 14:08 DIED: deki (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2025 points, 3184 turns, killed by a fire ant on hdf-eu 14:13 [fh] TKirby (tkirby) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 35426 points, T:3992, killed by a wolf 14:18 DIED: deki (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1557 points, 1578 turns, killed by a killer bee on hdf-eu 14:19 CHALLENGE IGNORED! firemonkey ignored the ZAPM challenge. 14:19 rip 14:20 DIED: deki (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 170 points, 370 turns, killed by a falling rock on hdf-eu 14:20 I need to finish up Joust 14:21 so I can get all the riding-related deaths 14:21 [4k] Zappi (philbo) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 6741 points, T:4310, killed by a raven 14:21 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 14:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 14:24 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:28 -!- katung has joined #hardfought 14:34 DIED: machinespray (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 497 points, 1175 turns, killed by a kitten on hardfought 14:35 -!- elenmirie\splat has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:39 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1698 points, 2304 turns, killed by an ettin mummy on hdf-eu 14:40 DIED: deki (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 4110 points, 3161 turns, killed by a gray unicorn on hdf-eu 14:46 yess, teleport control from a random tengu 14:47 [slex] kenanbit (Ele Tro Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed bag of holding", on T:6994 14:49 TROPHY: OrderOfTheCockatrice now holds the Best In Show 14:56 [dnh] porkman (Hea Inc Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12353 15:00 DIED: FIQ (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1571 points, 2159 turns, killed by a giant rat on hdf-eu 15:00 DIED: FIQ (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 0 points, 23 turns, killed by a grid bug on hdf-eu 15:17 DIED: Eleven (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Neu), 827 points, 2385 turns, killed by a jackal, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hardfought 15:22 -!- StinkyGreene has joined #hardfought 15:22 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 15:23 -!- stenno is now known as Guest41466 15:27 -!- Guest41466 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:28 -!- StinkyGreene has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:33 DIED: davez (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 12236 points, 5741 turns, killed by a gray unicorn on hdf-eu 15:33 DIED: FIQ (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 5677 points, 3201 turns, killed by a died on hdf-eu 15:35 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 15:35 Me again. Didnt get answer last time 15:35 ? 15:35 Can anyone help to delete this save https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/puck/fiqhack/save/1510586877_Satoshi%20VII.nhgame 15:35 why? 15:36 Its broken 15:36 try to fire it up 15:36 Im dead 15:36 what happens 15:36 Im dead in this save 15:36 yes 15:36 try to start it 15:36 see if it resolves the death 15:36 ookay. Sec 15:36 I did some tweaks wrt that 15:36 Okay. I loaded 15:36 so 15:36 go on? 15:36 > The mumak butts! You die... --More-- 15:37 yes 15:37 [fh] Satoshi VII (puck) (Sam Hum Mal Law), 47288 points, T:8758, killed by a mumak 15:37 go on 15:37 Done 15:37 It fixed 15:37 there you go 15:37 Cool 15:37 yes, I fixed it 15:37 hurray 15:37 after you complained 15:37 ;) 15:37 Thx, FIQ 15:37 You cool as usual 15:37 I couldn't tell you since you disappeared 15:37 Yeah, but I appeared later :D 15:37 But now all is ok 15:37 So thanks again 15:38 np 15:38 anyway 15:38 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 15:38 now if the process exits uncleanly 15:38 the save will no longer be stuck in limbo 15:38 but can be resolved by loading it again 15:38 Cool 15:40 DIED: fatty (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 0 points, 9 turns, slipped while mounting a saddled pony on hardfought 15:44 DIED: fatty (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 291 points, 824 turns, killed by a bat, while sleeping on hardfought 15:45 DIED: fatty (Bar-Hum-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 9 turns, killed by an unrefrigerated sip of juice on hardfought 15:45 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 15:46 DIED: fatty (Bar-Hum-Mal-Cha), 256 points, 146 turns, killed by axing a hard object on hardfought 15:46 DIED: fatty (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 0 points, 5 turns, killed by his own pick-axe on hardfought 16:05 okay, so my door work is taking me into one of the parts of the codebase I understand the least: the level parser. 16:07 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 16:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 16:14 [fh] Dugrumb (puck) (Pri Orc Mal Cha), 21759 points, T:2143, killed by a little dog 16:17 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:18 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 16:18 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 16:18 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:19 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 16:20 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 16:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 16:23 DIED: FIQ (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 7741 points, 4400 turns, fell into a pit on hdf-eu 16:25 wow 16:25 I screwed up 16:29 The gnome hits! You are hit by a poisoned dart. You feel weaker! 16:29 A trap door in the ceiling opens and a rock falls on your head! 16:29 what's with this message order? 16:30 [dnh] porkman (Hea Inc Mal Neu) killed the Sir Garland, on T:17739 16:31 [fh] Petrus (puck) (Pri Hum Mal Law), 23472 points, T:1263, killed by a Ms. Pengalengan, the shopkeeper's wand 16:31 DIED: ab5ni (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1624 points, 2923 turns, killed by a black pudding on hardfought 16:32 DIED: eitbo (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 55135 points, 18746 turns, killed by a tiger on hardfought 16:34 > Petrus died; Its me. While blind, how to pay to shopkeeper? 16:34 you can't 16:34 Whyy? 16:34 it is a 3.6.0 bug I think 16:34 Im in fiqhack 16:34 uh, maybe it is more widespread than I thought 16:35 So, you think this is bug and not feature? 16:35 Feature? Not exactly pro accessibility 16:36 FIQ: how about to fix that? 16:37 ? 16:37 fix what? 16:37 Cant pay while blind 16:37 should be able to? 16:37 press p 16:38 I pressed 16:38 But this doesnt work 16:38 FIQ iirc you need to be both blind and have no telepathy for this to happen 16:39 it's a 3.4.3 thing? 16:39 because fiqhack hasn't touched that really 16:39 I guess so, as fiqhack seems to have inherited it 16:39 I've noticed it in 3.6.0 16:40 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 16:40 hm 16:41 Reproduced in Fourk as well. "You can't see..." 16:41 puck1: yeah, so apparently you need to see the shopkeeper to be able to pay him 16:41 it will also work if he is angry, but I would not recommend angering him 16:41 DIED: ab5ni (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1798 points, 875 turns, killed by a gray unicorn on hardfought 16:41 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 16:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 16:42 DIED: davez (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 287 points, 337 turns, killed by a gnome on hdf-eu 16:42 ohmydosh. Found amulet of ESP on dungeons 2 while playing permablind 16:43 Nice. 16:43 That is a quite useful item. 16:43 I must ascend in this time. This is rich present from god of random 16:43 Yeah 16:44 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:44 that would be the first fiqhack zen 16:44 if you're permablind, wouldn't the amulet be redundant once you've eaten a floating eye corpse? 16:44 ais523: Message from FIQ at 2017-11-17 08:53 EST: heh, we talked about the issues of double-logging merely a few days ago... today, someone got a panic in the DYWYPI prompt, *after* the log was created 16:44 ais523: Message from FIQ at 2017-11-17 11:17 EST: the game erroring during the bones creation allows you to 1) log things more than once, 2) rollbacking to before the death occured 16:44 bleh, I broke doors 16:44 and not in the WHAMM!! way 16:44 ais523: Actually, yes, come to think of it. 16:44 panic at DYWYPI is a really hard case to handle 16:45 ais523: what I was considering 16:45 was that if a panic did happen 16:45 the best fix may be "don't write bugs there" 16:45 haha 16:45 anyway, what I was considering 16:45 was to, instead of the usual panic handler 16:45 1: write a msgc_emergency message with the panic error 16:45 FIQ: did you make auto price identify of identify scroll? 16:45 2: livelog the panic (to notify server admins/devs) 16:46 3: abort 16:46 puck1: It's uniquely priced, so that's automatic in NH4. 16:46 right, NH4 automatically IDs uniquely priced items 16:46 yeah 16:46 usually 16:46 I think this isnt cool for unspoiled players.. 16:46 but not always (enchant weapon) 16:46 FIQ: you'd really want to know whether the log entries had been written or not by that point 16:46 not to mention, whether it might be halfway through 16:46 this is one of the harder NH4 release blockers to deal with 16:47 which is why it was left or last 16:47 FIQ: enchant weapon is technicially not uniquely priced (but the other item's appearance isn't random). 16:47 FIQ: I special-cased that in Fourk. 16:47 YANI: change ?oBP's price slightly 16:47 ais523: program_state.gameover could be increased to 1 during DYWYPI itself, then 2 after logging? 16:47 to 61 or whatever 16:47 (actually it's bizarre that ?oBP is so expensive, given that it's the least magical of scrolls) 16:47 the panic happened during bones 16:47 at which point it has already written the log 16:47 Yeah, it really ought to be 10 or so. 16:48 what is BP 16:48 blank paper 16:48 oh 16:48 that 16:48 should be like 5zm 16:48 yes, not a very useful scroll 16:48 I would argue it's worth more than 5. 16:48 It's still a magical item. 16:48 I'm going to ask the vanilla devteam's opinions 16:48 it's definitely not worth more than 20 though 16:49 hmm 16:49 so I have a 80% wish 16:49 maybe I should wish for a fire/frost horn 16:49 those are *rare* 16:50 ais523: btw, I made fire/frost horns scale on XL since they aren't wands and making them their own skill would be silly 16:50 to address the GWTWOD factor with them 16:50 do you think this is a reasonable change? 16:50 how often does that happen? 16:50 I think it's reasonable 16:50 it doesn't happen often 16:50 considering how rare they are 16:50 but it can 16:50 but also think that maybe the change wasn't necessary because it's such a corner case 16:50 It happens maybe once every thousand games 16:50 that said, unnecessary change ≠ bad change 16:50 aosdict: that's an overestimate 16:50 aosdict: like GWTWOD itself? :P 16:51 GWTWOD is fairly rare as it is, GWTHOD isn't something I've ever heard of 16:51 ais523: I think it's about as rare as an *actual* case of GWTWOD 16:51 and you think people would complain on #nethack or Reddit or whatever 16:51 FIQ: oh, hmm, a literal GWTWOD 16:51 those are rare too, it's usually a different monster or different wand 16:51 I meant the case of something early with a /oD 16:51 vs something early with a fire/frost horn 16:51 ais523: as is, it violates the principle that the RNG shouldn't be able to completely end the game while giving the player no warning or opportunity to react 16:51 GWTWOD specifically (as in, specifically gnome, specifically wand of death) is rare. 16:52 not that vanilla completely follows this principle. 16:52 low-level monster with dangerous attack wand is considerably less rare. 16:52 But stenno and I both believe that having it be "sufficiently rare" is not good enough. 16:52 jonadab: Right, the usual "GWTWOD" case is something who found a wand of lightning, or similar 16:52 Wands of lightning and cold and fire and sleep aren't that unusual. 16:53 aosdict: I wouldn't mind too much if the game randomly became slex one game in a million, it's rare enough that it's funny and makes for a good story without severely impacting the game; however, I know that some people disagree with me on that 16:54 "It's about time!" 16:54 * FIQ slaps the djinni around a bit with a large FIQ-bot 16:55 FIQ: was the djinni startscummed for unique deaths? or is this a more serious / longterm game? 16:55 unique death 16:55 not startscummed, I was lucky 16:55 was looking for things to use to get a new death in minetown 16:55 (and hoping for a magic lamp) 16:56 got the lamp, but not the wish 16:56 blessed, even 16:56 was going to wish for a frost horn 16:56 guess I'll go back up and see if that huge armor shop had levi instead 16:58 DIED: FIQ (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 2465 points, 2667 turns, killed by a soldier ant on hdf-eu 16:58 or die to an ant due to trap doors 17:02 go team a! 17:04 ais523: the fact that many community members care about streaks is my main motivation for wanting to get rid of things that can end a streak in such a manner 17:04 aosdict: yes, that's a good argument 17:05 hmm 17:05 (and note that this is mostly limited to single-action causes of death. c stoning and dwarves wielding broad picks don't really count) 17:06 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1536 points, 3873 turns, killed by a bolt of cold on hardfought 17:08 DIED: FIQ (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 935 points, 1484 turns, killed by a bat on hdf-eu 17:09 DIED: FIQ (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 45 points, 126 turns, killed by a fox on hdf-eu 17:14 DIED: FIQ (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 331 points, 628 turns, killed by bumping into a wall on hdf-eu 17:16 CHALLENGE COMPLETED! Delraven completed the Pac-Man challenge. 17:18 DIED: FIQ (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 380 points, 1010 turns, killed by bumping into a boulder on hdf-eu 17:24 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 17:24 -!- stenno is now known as Guest50575 17:25 [fh] Petrus II (puck) (Pri Hum Mal Cha) killed the dwarf zombie of KickyMcAssington, the former Esquire, on T:4161 17:27 [fh] Petrus II (puck) (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 34444 points, T:4192, killed by a warhorse, while praying 17:27 -!- puck1 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0-dev] 17:27 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 17:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v oh6] by ChanServ 17:28 ais523: best in show is still tight :P 17:29 -!- Guest50575 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:29 changed position twice today as well 17:30 is this evidence that the scoring system actually works? or does it show something else? 17:30 (also, have challenge points been fixed yet? IIRC someone said they were broken) 17:30 challenge points broken? how? 17:30 but yes, devnull scoring *mostly* work 17:30 it has one major issue 17:30 more players generally results in more points 17:31 because the ascension trophies and the challenge trophies add clan score 17:31 yes, junethack was designed to avoid that 17:32 thus one can argue that ootc has an unfair advantage at the moment due to having 2 more players 17:32 CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Entitas accepted the Joust challenge. 17:32 DCSS's tournaments cap clans at 6 players to avoid the issue 17:32 [dnh] porkman (Hea Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof greased +3 tie-dye shirt of shambhala", on T:20593 17:32 so I'd rather us win not on points alone, but by a large enough margin to make it clear taht we having more players wasn't the only thing that made us win 17:32 I'm not sure if I like that 17:32 *that 17:33 [dnh] porkman (Hea Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof greased spellbook of polymorph", on T:20594 17:33 DIED: eitbo (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2664 points, 2605 turns, killed by a soldier ant, while praying on hardfought 17:33 ais523: not sure on the optimal solution here while preserving most of the trophies 17:33 other than making ascension and challenge trophies don't count for clan score 17:34 DIED: deki (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1216 points, 1384 turns, killed by a boiling potion on hdf-eu 17:34 (except possibly for the "first challenge victory") 17:35 junethack's solution is normally to require coordination for that sort of thing 17:35 -!- deadnoob has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:35 so that a spamclan doesn't get an advantage, but a large, coordinated clan does 17:36 currently I'd consider the clans close enough in playercount that I wouldn't call ootc a spam clan :P 17:36 but yeah 17:36 (13/11/11 for top 3 atm) 17:38 I'm not claiming there are spamclans this year 17:38 they've been tried in the past though 17:38 heh 17:38 hmm 17:42 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 17:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 17:44 DIED: deki (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1111 points, 1513 turns, killed by a bat on hdf-eu 17:46 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:49 DIED: FIQ (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 402 points, 563 turns, killed by bumping into a wall on hdf-eu 17:50 ais523: how do I display animations in NH3? I'm not seeing any despite runmode:crawl 17:51 DIED: Entitas (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 2641 points, 2798 turns, killed by a water demon on hardfought 17:52 FIQ: runmode only affects the movement commands I think? 17:52 you'll also need to turn on timed_delay though 17:52 which affects the /backend/ of the animations, it doesn't know how to render without that 17:53 and that isn't the default because NetHack still assumes you use a physical VT100 for some reason 17:53 ahh 17:53 so that is what was wrong 17:53 thanks 17:54 hmm 17:54 no 17:54 also turn off null, if it's on 17:54 oh 17:54 weird 17:54 hm 17:55 no it is off 17:55 I don't know what happens if they're both on but they contradict each other 17:55 DIED: Raisse (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 482 points, 1663 turns, killed by a little dog on hdf-eu 17:55 anyway is timed_delay a saved option? 17:55 I can't turn it on ingame 17:55 but turning it off in file didn't seem to have done anything 17:56 ais523: btw, I can see why you wasn't a fan of the NH3 options system 17:57 yes, it's insane :-( 17:57 I still like AceHack's but nobody will let me use it 17:57 (where options were intentionally kept to one screenful to encourage them to be things that people could actually think about, rather than pages and pages of options that people will probably set incorrectly) 17:58 yes, I think acehack go too far 17:58 DIED: deki (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2209 points, 1585 turns, killed by a purple worm on hdf-eu 17:58 there's a lot of options here I have no idea what they do 17:59 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:59 is eight_bit_tty relevant in some way? or ignitr, legacy, sparkle 17:59 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 17:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 17:59 *ignintr 17:59 FIQ: sparkle is relevant to animations but possibly not that one 18:00 ignintr basically just affects how ctrl-c functions; libuncursed has a similar option but it's forced to on by NH4 rather than being customizable 18:00 yeah I know what sparkle does, but was wondering if ti did more than mess with that sparkly thing in NH3 18:00 (i.e. it's customizable in libuncursed but NH4 forces it to a particular value, because Ctrl-C is an actual keybinding there) 18:00 ok 18:00 legacy controls the cutscene you get when loading 18:00 "It is written in the book of…" 18:00 ahh that thing 18:00 eight_bit_tty is a mess 18:01 should it be enabled or disabled? 18:01 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 850 points, 2291 turns, killed by a giant bat on hardfought 18:01 I'm not 100% sure what it does, if anything; my best guess is that it controls how non-ASCII characters in the options file are parsed 18:01 if you're using decgraphics or ascii, it should be disabled 18:01 if you're using ibmgraphics, I have no idea 18:02 DIED: deki (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 758 points, 753 turns, killed by a dwarf on hdf-eu 18:02 err, unless it happens to control the use of the csi character, in which case you'd have to enable it on any sane terminal, but I don't think it does because if it did it would be a really common misconfiguration and I'd probably have seen it reported by now 18:02 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:03 hmm 18:03 ok so I have some option enabled that messes up animations 18:03 but I don't know what 18:03 because on US 18:03 I get proper animations 18:05 DIED: FIQ (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1224 points, 1793 turns, killed by a rabid rat, while fainted from lack of food on hardfought 18:07 [4k] kenanbit (Rog Syl Fem Cha), 6762 points, T:1836, killed by a gas spore's explosion 18:08 ASCENDED: Luxidream (Ran-Gno-Mal-Neu), 1190804 points, 34938 turns, ascended on hardfought 18:08 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dn36/dumplog/1510935497.dn36.txt 18:09 TROPHY: Luxidream now holds the Lowest RealTime ascension 18:13 -!- Jendic has joined #hardfought 18:15 ais523: ok so 18:15 if null is enabled 18:15 then I get working animations 18:15 if null is disabled 18:15 I don't 18:15 that took a lot of trial and error to find out 18:16 DIED: eitbo (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 3785 points, 3993 turns, killed by a white unicorn on hardfought 18:16 and null defaults to being enabled 18:18 but this makes no sense... 18:18 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Options 18:18 this page claims null defaults to false 18:18 but it dosn't 18:18 it defaults to true 18:18 *doesn't 18:19 -!- spontiff has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:22 nighttime doesn't begin until 10 PM server time in 3.6, does it? 18:22 kind of important for me to know that right now 18:24 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1102 points, 2961 turns, killed by a straw golem, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hardfought 18:25 DIED: davez (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 11039 points, 5428 turns, killed by a gremlin, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hdf-eu 18:31 DIED: FIQ (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 238 points, 923 turns, killed by a gnome lord on hdf-eu 18:31 DIED: FIQ (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 158 points, 125 turns, killed by a sewer rat on hdf-eu 18:31 FIQ: …I give up 18:32 do you know what is going on? 18:36 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 18:38 hm 18:38 [4k] kenanbit (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 5547 points, T:2168, killed by a rothe 18:38 I don't think knights can die due to trying to jump through a narrow crevice with their innate jumping D: 18:39 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 18:43 DIED: FIQ (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 647 points, 1726 turns, killed by a gnome on hdf-eu 18:46 yeah, not possible 18:46 without xray, at least 18:50 DIED: davez (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 1383 points, 1909 turns, killed by a dwarf on hdf-eu 18:54 [dnh] porkman (Hea Inc Mal Neu) killed the Cerberus, on T:24947 19:09 DIED: fatty (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 28 turns, killed by bumping into a wall, while moving through the air on hardfought 19:12 DIED: fatty (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 99 points, 135 turns, killed by a system shock on hardfought 19:14 ZAPM: jonathanhanes the Web Designer Killed by a radbeetle in the space base at depth 7. [8359 points] 19:15 -!- mcnick has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:22 DIED: ab5ni (Cav-Hum-Mal-Neu), 10030 points, 5516 turns, killed by a minotaur on hardfought 19:25 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:25 -!- stenno is now known as Guest97928 19:29 -!- Guest97928 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:31 [dnh] porkman (Hea Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof greased bag of holding", on T:27719 19:34 ZAPM: jonathanhanes the Web Designer Killed by a mutant ninja turtle in the sewer at depth 9. [10563 points] 19:34 DIED: Entitas (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 1131 points, 1901 turns, killed by a dog on hardfought 19:37 DIED: Luxidream (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 1011 points, 2103 turns, killed by a djinni on hardfought 19:38 DIED: Entitas (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 395 points, 817 turns, killed by a wand on hardfought 19:40 -!- mcnick has joined #hardfought 19:42 DIED: Entitas (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 258 points, 715 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning on hardfought 19:52 DIED: Entitas (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 1452 points, 2223 turns, killed by a poisonous corpse on hardfought 20:06 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 20:06 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 20:08 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:10 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 20:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 20:12 [dnh] porkman (Hea Inc Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:29899 20:31 DIED: Webmant (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 317 points, 692 turns, killed by a little dog on hardfought 20:34 DIED: greqrg (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 16846 points, 14249 turns, killed by a dwarf, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hardfought 20:35 CHALLENGE COMPLETED! Entitas completed the Joust challenge. 20:46 [dnh] porkman (Hea Inc Mal Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:31408 20:46 DIED: Qwesti (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 38 points, 93 turns, killed by a goblin on hardfought 20:49 hi 20:49 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 20:51 hmm, somehow K2 seems like the wrong person to be greeting like that 20:51 "welcome back to #hardfought" perhaps? 20:51 heh 20:51 it's just nice to get a response 20:52 "Hello K2 my master and overlord, welcome back to #hardfought"? 20:52 no... amy has thatlocked down 20:52 "How may I ease your life, O grand exalted master?" -- Calvin, using a tape recorder to give his tinker-toy robot a voice. 20:53 :) 20:53 how goes it all? 20:54 I personally am stuck in door hell. 20:54 Trying to sort out the many many ways the code touches door stuff. 20:55 I'm torn on whether doors are less bad or even worse than stairs 20:55 stair code has a habit of reacting really weirdly when you try to change it 20:55 it's very tightly coupled 20:55 [nd] Menche (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 5027 points, T:2655, killed by a killer bee, while moving through the air 20:55 whereas doors are fairly loosely coupled, they're just mentioned all over the place 20:55 hrm 20:55 so it's a really big grep if you want to, e.g., add a new state a door can be in 20:55 that's what I'm doing :D 20:56 what is that new state? 20:56 aosdict: half-open? 20:56 well, not state but type. 20:56 Iron doors. 20:56 Ah. Not breakable? 20:56 Right. 20:56 Can they still be kicked open? 20:56 (If not, you have to be careful where the level generator puts them.) 20:57 I suppose an unlocked one can, but not a locked one. 20:57 Ah. 20:57 I plan to bias them to be nearly absent in upper levels but get more common as you go lower 20:57 What is the goal or rationale for adding them? 20:57 the bigger plus is that they could be used in special levels 20:57 So basically, make carrying a key all the time even more mandatory? 20:58 DIED: Entitas (Kni-Hum-Mal-Cha), 25312 points, 9922 turns, killed by Yeenoghu, while paralyzed by a monster on hardfought 20:58 Or have some means of opening stuff, like the spell of knock. 20:58 can they be destroyed by wands of digging? wands of lighting? thrown potions of water? 20:58 *wands of lightning 20:59 currently none of the above 20:59 Thrown potions of water? 20:59 the idea is that you can't bash it down 20:59 is a rusty iron door more likely to stick when opened? 20:59 or destroy it through brute force 20:59 jonadab: water normally destroys iron in NetHack 20:59 or at least damages it 20:59 ais523: I don't have enough bits for a rusty iron door :P 20:59 now I'm trying to remember which roguelike it is where people run round stealing all the doors 21:00 that was a D&D campaign 21:00 there are now 5 bits to work with, two for actual door state, one for locked, one for trapped, and now one for iron. 21:00 the GM forgot just how valuable adamantium was, pound for pound 21:00 Jendic: yes, IIRC there's a roguelike too 21:00 one of the major ones 21:00 maybe ADOM? 21:01 (Previously, it implemented the door state as separate bit masks, which was... weird 21:01 ) 21:01 now you're reminding me of AceHack's terrain compression 21:01 in order to fit more data into a struct of the same size, by exploiting otherwise illegal combinations of bits 21:02 well, none of the bit shuffling I did was illegal. 21:02 There are in fact only four door states in NetHack (none, broken, open, closed). 21:03 locked 21:03 Trapped and locked are independent and only apply to closed doors. 21:03 Ah. 21:03 So set the door to trapped+open to indicate that it's iron :-) 21:03 (But then you can't have an open iron door, hmm.) 21:04 yeah, so the most sensible solution is to pack the state into 2 bits and keep trapped and locked as their own bits 21:04 which frees up one bit for iron 21:04 I assume you don't currently care about breaking save compatibility? 21:04 (early stages of a new patchset/variant) 21:05 ais523: My mission statement is to stick very close to vanilla. So yes, no breaking save compat. 21:05 ? 21:06 the second sentence doesn't follow from the first, and the "yes" contradicts the rest of the second sentence 21:06 Well, I suppose this would break save compat in that the bits don't mean the same thing. 21:06 (you can stay close to vanilla but nonetheless use a different save file format, people loading games between the two seems fairly unlikely) 21:06 yes, that's what I mean. 21:07 basically trying to be "vanilla $NEXTVERSION plus some cool features that aren't in it" 21:08 btw, it shouldn't surprise anyone, but $NEXTVERSION is currently planned to be 3.6.1 21:09 it's nice to say "oh, paxed committed something neat? lemme just git pull... now it's in this too" 21:10 changing all the door code is the sort of thing that breaks that fairly quickly ;-) 21:11 well, that's why we have branches 21:15 btw, when doing a large refactor like this 21:15 you normally want to replace hardcoded code that you have to change anyway with accessor macros 21:15 so that you can change it easily if the same code changes a second time 21:16 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 21:17 right, I've been doing that 21:18 though I think it's okay to let the code say stuff like lev->doormask = D_NODOOR if it wants to overwrite the entire mask with it 21:20 -!- Kontroller\unfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:24 DIED: Qwesti (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1069 points, 1848 turns, eaten by a Grue on hardfought 21:26 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 21:26 -!- stenno is now known as Guest87792 21:27 DIED: arnibald (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 580 points, 1997 turns, killed by a watchman on hardfought 21:30 DIED: dgoddard (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 80616 points, 19434 turns, killed by an elf-lord on hardfought 21:31 i want to play. i really do 21:31 but i'm not entirely sober atm 21:31 ;) 21:31 -!- Guest87792 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:31 what to do... 21:32 play a non-tourney game 21:32 on a variant which you don't have an active game for 21:32 i should 21:32 but i probably wont 21:32 that way you can splat it repeatedly due to being drunk and it doesn't matter 21:32 because you know, clouded judgement and all that 21:33 Splat some slex :P 21:33 hah 21:36 DIED: dgoddard (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 548 points, 1405 turns, killed by a sewer rat on hardfought 21:46 DIED: fatty (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 14 turns, killed by kicking the stairs on hardfought 21:46 CHALLENGE IGNORED! dgoddard ignored the Dig-Dug challenge. 21:50 DIED: fatty (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 0 points, 3 turns, killed himself with his bullwhip on hardfought 21:52 DIED: fatty (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 1301 turns, killed by a system shock on hardfought 21:53 DIED: fatty (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 10 points, 127 turns, killed by a system shock on hardfought 21:53 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 2821 points, 3156 turns, killed by a water moccasin on hardfought 21:54 DIED: fatty (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 9 turns, killed by a falling object on hardfought 21:54 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 14301 points, 14804 turns, killed by a rothe on hardfought 21:56 DIED: fatty (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 51 turns, killed by a bolt of fire on hardfought 22:00 DIED: fatty (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 10 points, 43 turns, killed by an exploding ring on hardfought 22:00 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 22:01 TROPHY: fatty now holds the Most Unique Deaths 22:02 DIED: fatty (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 72 points, 904 turns, killed by a newt, while fainted from lack of food on hardfought 22:03 DIED: fatty (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 96 points, 93 turns, killed by a grid bug on hardfought 22:03 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 620 points, 1431 turns, killed by a dwarf zombie on hardfought 22:09 QUIT: dgoddard (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 6034 points, 4627 turns, quit on hardfought 22:11 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 253 points, 1458 turns, killed by a bat on hardfought 22:15 [dnh] porkman (Hea Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof greased +3 helping hand", on T:34249 22:16 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:22 DIED: 1dc (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 5333 points, 7114 turns, killed by brainlessness on hardfought 22:40 CHALLENGE COMPLETED! Jendic completed the Dig-Dug challenge. 23:00 ASCENDED: aoei (Ran-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1243540 points, 20410 turns, ascended on hdf-eu 23:00 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/aoei/dn36/dumplog/1510606538.dn36.txt 23:00 yay 23:01 TROPHY: aoei just earned the Dilithium Star 23:07 congrats! 23:08 thanks 23:08 vegan and my first 3.6 ascend :o) 23:19 -!- earenndil has joined #hardfought 23:20 -!- earenndil has quit [Client Quit] 23:22 -!- aeoi has joined #hardfought 23:25 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:26 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:27 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:27 CHALLENGE COMPLETED! jonathanhanes completed the ZAPM challenge. 23:27 ZAPM: jonathanhanes the Jr. Programmer Activated the Bizarro Orgasmatron in the Mainframe at depth 16. [39477 points] 23:27 -!- stenno is now known as Guest1833 23:30 DIED: aoei (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 259 points, 465 turns, killed by a giant rat on hdf-eu 23:31 -!- Guest1833 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:47 -!- mcnick has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:53 hi 23:53 Hello bug_sniper, Welcome to #hardfought