00:04 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 00:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 00:08 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:09 -!- firemonkey\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:13 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 00:17 -!- mcnick has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:18 -!- mcnick has joined #hardfought 00:18 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry for my connection] 00:25 fatty_, what wierd thing did you kick this time? 00:27 DIED: Grasshopper (Ran-Elf-Fem-Cha), 333 points, 866 turns, killed by a coyote on hdf-au 00:27 DIED: fatty (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 14001 points, 6993 turns, killed by an ape, while paralyzed by a monster on hardfought 00:39 -!- mcnick has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:43 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:43 -!- stenno is now known as Guest92635 00:48 -!- Guest92635 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:48 CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! madgeek accepted the Pool challenge. 00:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:58 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:59 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:03 [slex] kenanbit (Dru Unm Mal Neu), 862 points, T:801, killed by a wand of striking 01:07 DIED: Raisse (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1027 points, 3794 turns, killed by a rothe on hdf-eu 01:33 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 2094 points, 4586 turns, killed by a wolf, while praying on hdf-eu 01:34 DIED: buffy (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1314 points, 3996 turns, killed by a rothe, while fainted from lack of food on altorg 01:46 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:48 DIED: Raisse (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1584 points, 1649 turns, killed by a water moccasin on hdf-eu 01:49 . 01:49 LarienTelrunya: Message from aosdict at 2017-11-15 17:10 EST: hunger rebalance (as in, keeping nutrition relevant past Sokoban) is also something I think addresses your concerns with "the hero can just wait around before Gehennom and farm whatever" 01:49 LarienTelrunya: Message from ais523 at 2017-11-15 17:12 EST: nasty trap request: inventory letters don't work to select objects in object menus, you can still use them to deselect objects though and select objects by things like object classes and . and , 01:51 !tell aosdict problem with the hunger system (at least as I see it) is that usually the RNG decides how much food you find; IIRC in the original Rogue it could happen that the entire dungeon generated too little total food to be able to win, making the game unwinnable since you can't pray for food in Rogue! 01:51 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 01:53 !tell ais523 whoa, that would be quite the nasty trap ;) I'd have to figure out where the function for item selection is if I want to implement that 01:53 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:02 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:03 -!- stenno is now known as Guest11600 02:06 -!- mcnick has joined #hardfought 02:07 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 526 points, 1425 turns, killed by an iguana, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hdf-eu 02:13 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 02:14 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:16 DIED: Raisse (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 876 points, 1692 turns, killed by a giant bat, while sleeping on hdf-eu 02:16 aosdict: guard farming was what made the 14-conduct dynahack convict ascension possible 02:16 -!- deadnoob has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:24 DIED: Raisse (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1827 points, 930 turns, killed by a giant rat on hdf-eu 02:26 !tell NeroOneTrueKing testing your xchar-to-int change with regard to expanding the dungeon, seems to be working alright :) 02:26 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:45 DIED: Raisse (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 51 points, 130 turns, killed by a fox on hdf-eu 02:46 DIED: Raisse (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 69 points, 209 turns, killed by a boulder on hdf-eu 02:49 DIED: Raisse (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 525 points, 1150 turns, killed by the ghost of Raisse, while fainted from lack of food on hdf-eu 02:55 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:56 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 02:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 03:00 DIED: Mandevil (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 418 points, 1079 turns, killed by a small mimic on hdf-eu 03:00 -!- raisse is now known as raisse\splat 03:10 who did a 14-conduct 03:10 porkman? 03:12 [un] KickyMcAssingtn (Val Hum Fem Law), 14370 points, T:5366, killed by Mr. Siverek, the shopkeeper 03:12 Arrhythmia 03:17 -!- Guest11600 has quit [Changing host] 03:17 -!- Guest11600 has joined #hardfought 03:18 QUIT: nht (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1001 points, 405 turns, quit on hdf-eu 03:18 -!- Guest11600 is now known as stenno 03:18 ah 03:18 did that person make a post about the experience by chance? 03:19 -!- Jonathanhanes_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:19 well he mostly posted about it on 4chan 03:19 so all records are gone 03:19 alas 03:19 -!- Jonathanhanes_ has joined #hardfought 03:20 there's a 15 conduct by solarflare!!! 03:20 they are the same person :D 03:20 oh 03:20 improssive stoff 03:20 where do they chill 03:20 didn't realize it was 15, even :D 03:21 roguelike thread on 4chan, http://boards.4chan.org/vg/thread/195574348 (although everyone is just posting anonymously there) 03:22 I'm following those threads mainly because the people there keep mentioning slex :P 03:24 that.... does seem like the appropriate forum, yes 03:26 occasionally I've even managed to get Solarflare to join the IRC ;) 03:27 also, I like how they made the opening post say "http://hardfought.org/ (Nethack and variants, including slex)" :D 03:27 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:27 what are some roguelikes which let you consume soy products as a male character? 03:27 important questions 03:32 CHALLENGE IGNORED! attie ignored the ZAPM challenge. 03:44 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 03:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 03:52 shpingrlde: you got an answer, it seems :) 03:55 -!- Jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:55 -!- Jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 03:56 yep! 03:57 the reason guard farming worked so well for him is apparently the chance of them dropping dynahack-enchanted gear, which is of course not possible in vanilla 03:58 yeah, in fiqhack's first draft of object properties I got a lot of stuff like that in ludios 03:58 endgame-kit random gear that was originally nonmagical. leather gloves of reflection, crystal plate of power, etc 04:08 -!- mcnick has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:10 [fh] KickyMcAssington (KickyMcAssingtn) (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 33498 points, T:4278, zombified by a human zombie 04:20 DIED: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 72676 points, 23135 turns, killed by an air elemental on hdf-eu 04:26 DIED: Grasshopper (Ran-Elf-Mal-Cha), 4544 points, 4354 turns, killed by a bolt of fire on hdf-au 04:38 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:47 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:47 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 383 points, 134 turns, killed by a gecko on hdf-eu 04:49 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:53 i got the weirdest message 04:54 https://ptpb.pw/_a9E.png "named object not in disco Program in disorder - perhaps you'd better #quit.--More--" 04:55 mind flayer made you forget an item identity and the game somehow cannot handle it correctly when it's named; in any case, don't #quit, that's such a stupid advice, it should really be changed :P 04:55 it should say "perhaps you'd better save and reload" 04:55 damn amnesia 04:56 oh hm it's not too bad 04:56 only forgot some old stuff 04:57 !tell ais523 NetHack 3.6.0 still has that age-old, very bad advice "Program in disorder - perhaps you'd better #quit." Wouldn't you agree that it's time to finally replace that message by a more sensible one, like "perhaps you'd better save and load"? Many variants already do that :) 04:57 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 04:58 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 178 points, 373 turns, killed by a boulder on hdf-eu 04:58 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 04:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 04:58 i feel like *not* two weaponing was a bad idea (tm) 05:01 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 228 points, 197 turns, killed by a dwarf, while sleeping on hdf-eu 05:09 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 452 points, 500 turns, killed by a magic missile on hdf-eu 05:23 [dnh] KickyMcAssingtn (Kni Hum Mal Law), 50 points, T:1301, died of starvation 05:23 ASCENDED: Entitas (Cav-Gno-Fem-Cha), 815864 points, 32798 turns, ascended on hardfought 05:23 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/E/Entitas/dn36/dumplog/1510742440.dn36.txt 05:24 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 2174 points, 1227 turns, killed by a wolf on hdf-eu 05:26 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 207 points, 141 turns, fell into a pit on hdf-eu 05:40 !tlel jonadab remember your funny YASIs with Gehennom having hundreds of levels full of mazes? Well... https://abload.de/img/ultralonggehennomg9uo6.png :D 05:42 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 05:44 hi 05:44 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 05:44 !tell jonadab remember your funny YASIs with Gehennom having hundreds of levels full of mazes? Well... https://abload.de/img/ultralonggehennomg9uo6.png :D 05:44 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 05:44 LarienTelrunya: might want to point out that nethack4 has almost ceased developing 05:44 "almost"? 05:45 well it hasn't stopped completely 05:45 also, ais is a member of the vanilla devteam; obviously he should make it so that the message is fixed in vanilla :D 05:45 I meant for the 4chan stuff 05:45 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:45 I didn't even know there was a RL thread there 05:46 it's not larien's job to educate 4channers tho 05:46 But yes, 4chan does seem like the kind of place for slex 05:46 shpingrlde: totally is 05:46 :p 05:46 their impression of the game is kinda curious and interesting, tho 05:46 the "pasta" indicates that you should never #offer on an altar that's not your alignment :D 05:46 hmm got a link or something? 05:46 http://boards.4chan.org/vg/thread/195574348 05:46 that 4chan thread is about roguelikes in general though, not just nethack but also angband and others 05:47 I guess a RL thread is mostly safe to browse 05:47 LarienTelrunya: mhm 05:47 also, I managed to make Gehennom have 500 levels in slex, but now I get a segfault upon trying to levelport in wizard mode when it tries to display the menu :D 05:48 (that's only for testing purposes, obviously; the real game will not have such a long Gehennom) 05:49 I'm surprised there is a roundrobin account for 4chan 05:49 [nh4] KickyMcAssington (KickyMcAssingtn) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 16101 points, T:1058, killed by a Ms. Aklavik, the shopkeeper 05:49 4chan seems like the kind of place where such an account would last for maybe 5 minutes 05:49 until someone changed the password 05:49 * jonadab is not certain he wants 4chan to take an interest in NetHack. 05:50 wtf, why does Beholder not process my tell? 05:51 jonadab: apparently 4chan is where Solarflare came from? 05:51 the guy that got like 05:51 all the dyna conducts 05:51 I see. 05:51 jonadab: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-11-16 05:44 EST: remember your funny YASIs with Gehennom having hundreds of levels full of mazes? Well... https://abload.de/img/ultralonggehennomg9uo6.png :D 05:51 fwiw, !tell isn't necessary for jdab; he logs pings specially 05:52 I get hilights, yes. 05:54 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:55 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 05:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 05:57 -!- katung has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:59 QUIT: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Law), 8358 points, 1706 turns, quit on hdf-eu 06:10 LarienTelrunya: hmm you had a tal in roguelikecon? 06:11 haha, nope, 4chan guys somehow assuming I did 06:11 yeah I am seeing that lol 06:16 DIED: Raisse (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 7706 points, 9610 turns, killed by a sergeant on hdf-eu 06:23 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:33 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:34 -!- stenno is now known as Guest51199 06:35 DIED: Grasshopper (Ran-Elf-Fem-Cha), 2667 points, 2068 turns, killed by a wolf on hdf-au 06:38 -!- Guest51199 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:48 ASCENDED: arnibald (Pri-Hum-Mal-Cha), 1426530 points, 53293 turns, ascended on hardfought 06:48 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/arnibald/dn36/dumplog/1509861791.dn36.txt 06:49 TROPHY: arnibald just earned the Dilithium Star 07:08 -!- honu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:09 -!- honu has joined #hardfought 07:11 Evil Patch Idea: a monster that goes around picking up any objects they find on the floor, and marking them as NOT type-identified for the player. 07:12 yani for some des file 07:06 Heh... someone put a teleporter in the path of a boulder trap. 07:14 DIED: Rex (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 275138 points, 40840 turns, choked on a black dragon corpse on hdf-eu 07:14 "You kill the centipede! Welcome to experience level 6." 07:14 now I want to feel healthy 07:15 TROPHY: Rex just earned the Iron Star 07:22 Slash'EM Extended updated 07:24 K2: woohoo! thanks! :) the game should be quite a bit easier now, since I realized I had made it too hard 07:24 what did you change exactly to make it easier? 07:26 the player now has better to-hit and damage bonuses from skills, stats and stuff, body armor/shield skill also gives better bonuses, and the "kop station" special roon is less deadly ;) 07:26 *room 07:32 CHALLENGE COMPLETED! bebing completed the Pac-Man challenge. 07:34 so was there an error with to-hit/dmg bonuses before? or did you just beef them up? 07:34 (same ? for armor/shield bits) 07:37 no error, I just beefed them up because I felt the player had no chance (or at least, fighting monsters was annoyingly difficult) 07:39 it used to be nearly impossible to hit AC -20 monsters, and slex has a few monsters whose ACs go down to -40 or something... at least with the new system it's theoretically possible for a well-equipped character to sometimes hit those now :) 07:46 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 07:53 DIED: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 718 points, 2112 turns, killed by a small mimic on hdf-eu 07:58 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:01 DIED: Grasshopper (Ran-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2395 points, 3040 turns, poisoned by a rabid rat on hdf-au 08:05 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:08 DIED: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 1040 points, 2364 turns, killed by a werejackal, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hdf-eu 08:42 DIED: larry (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1320 points, 1460 turns, poisoned by a killer bee on hardfought 08:42 shpingrlde: Hmm, thinking of that made me think of putting the triggers to rolling boulder traps in each others' way, to create a chain reaction. 08:42 And then that made me wonder, if it's possible to either get A) an infinite loop, or B) some other kind of weird bug. 08:47 DIED: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 678 points, 751 turns, killed by a small mimic on hdf-eu 09:05 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 09:27 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:33 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:34 -!- stenno is now known as Guest91138 09:38 [fh] Satoshi VIII (puck) (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "amulet of magical breathing", on T:28134 09:39 -!- firemonkey\splat has joined #hardfought 09:40 ASCENDED: wooble (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 2111270 points, 33307 turns, ascended on hardfought 09:40 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/w/wooble/dn36/dumplog/1510599536.dn36.txt 09:42 -!- Schrubber1 has joined #hardfought 09:49 DIED: FIQ (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 58 turns, killed by a falling object on hdf-eu 09:50 DIED: FIQ (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 84 points, 106 turns, killed by a kobold on hdf-eu 09:50 DIED: FIQ (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 130 points, 67 turns, killed by a jackal on hdf-eu 09:51 DIED: FIQ (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 92 points, 258 turns, killed by a water moccasin on hdf-eu 09:52 DIED: FIQ (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 57 points, 109 turns, killed by a jackal on hdf-eu 09:53 DIED: FIQ (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 34 points, 782 turns, killed by a jackal on hdf-eu 09:56 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 156 points, 328 turns, killed by a vampire bat on hdf-eu 09:56 DIED: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 192 points, 1104 turns, killed by a magic missile on hdf-eu 09:57 -!- Guest91138 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:58 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 154 points, 19 turns, killed by a bolt of fire on hdf-eu 10:00 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 418 points, 190 turns, killed by a fire elemental of Thoth, while praying on hdf-eu 10:00 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 533 points, 1226 turns, killed by a hobgoblin on hardfought 10:02 DIED: FIQ (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 382 points, 355 turns, killed by a gnome lord on hdf-eu 10:03 DIED: FIQ (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 60 points, 124 turns, killed by a goblin on hdf-eu 10:04 DIED: FIQ (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 14 points, 170 turns, killed by a kobold zombie on hdf-eu 10:05 DIED: FIQ (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 0 points, 9 turns, killed by a djinni on hdf-eu 10:06 DIED: FIQ (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 4 points, 69 turns, killed by the ghost of Wilmar on hdf-eu 10:06 DIED: FIQ (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 0 points, 36 turns, killed by kicking something weird on hdf-eu 10:07 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 0 points, 1 turns, zapped himself with a wand on hdf-eu 10:08 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 0 points, 1 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning on hdf-eu 10:11 DIED: dgoddard (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 1704 points, 2344 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning on hardfought 10:12 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 222 points, 876 turns, choked on a food ration on hdf-eu 10:13 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 48 points, 34 turns, killed by a scroll of earth on hdf-eu 10:15 DIED: FIQ (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 40 points, 217 turns, choked on a lichen corpse on hdf-eu 10:15 so much death 10:16 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 10:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 10:17 DIED: FIQ (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 8 points, 27 turns, choked on an orange on hdf-eu 10:19 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 0 points, 31 turns, killed by a scroll of genocide on hdf-eu 10:20 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 16 points, 11 turns, caught himself in his own magical blast on hdf-eu 10:22 DIED: dgoddard (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 214 points, 483 turns, killed by a grid bug on hardfought 10:24 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 377 points, 479 turns, killed by a giant bat on hdf-eu 10:25 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 50 points, 92 turns, killed by a water moccasin on hdf-eu 10:27 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 221 points, 281 turns, killed by a giant rat on hdf-eu 10:27 aw, no fruitname abuse 10:27 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:28 DIED: FIQ (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 4 points, 10 turns, choked on a deadly slime mold on hdf-eu 10:28 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 10:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 10:31 DIED: FIQ (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 8 points, 19 turns, choked on a tripe ration on hdf-eu 10:32 DIED: FIQ (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 0 points, 8 turns, choked on a candy bar on hdf-eu 10:32 How can you become poisoned by yellow glass exactly? 10:39 ASCENDED: Tangles (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 923062 points, 17521 turns, ascended on hdf-au 10:39 https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/dn36/dumplog/1510752726.dn36.txt 10:39 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 271 points, 452 turns, killed by a water moccasin on hardfought 10:39 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 16 points, 249 turns, poisoned by a rotted newt corpse, while helpless on hardfought 10:40 TROPHY: Tangles just earned the Double Top 10:47 grind it up into fine silicates then breathe it? 10:47 aosdict: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-11-16 01:51 EST: problem with the hunger system (at least as I see it) is that usually the RNG decides how much food you find; IIRC in the original Rogue it could happen that the entire dungeon generated too little total food to be able to win, making the game unwinnable since you can't pray for food in Rogue! 10:49 DIED: FIQ (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 0 points, 4 turns, escaped (with a fake Amulet) on hardfought 10:50 DIED: dgoddard (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 3961 points, 4064 turns, killed by a gnome lord, while sleeping off a magical draught on hardfought 10:51 DIED: FIQ (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 0 points, 1386 turns, died of starvation, while fainted from lack of food on hardfought 10:52 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 0 points, 35 turns, deliberately plunged into a pit on hardfought 10:55 DIED: FIQ (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 96 points, 157 turns, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph on hardfought 10:56 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 135 turns, killed by a system shock on hardfought 10:58 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 78 points, 102 turns, killed by a kobold zombie on hardfought 10:58 !tell LarienTelrunya yes, hunger rebalance will probably need to include some early game derandomization of food sources. How, I don't know. 10:58 Will do, aosdict! 11:00 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Unlocking_tool#History 11:02 DIED: Raisse (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 2555 points, 3626 turns, killed by a giant beetle on hdf-eu 11:06 -!- katung has joined #hardfought 11:07 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 918 points, 1058 turns, killed by a kitten on hardfought 11:09 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 301 points, 402 turns, killed by a gnome on hardfought 11:11 -!- StinkyGreene has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:12 DIED: knaveightt (Rog-Hum-Mal-Cha), 910 points, 2323 turns, killed by a pony on hardfought 11:12 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 11:17 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 11:18 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry for my connection] 11:18 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 11:18 -!- elenmirie\splat has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:18 -!- elenmirie\splat has joined #hardfought 11:20 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 3 points, 52 turns, killed by a water moccasin on hardfought 11:23 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 26 turns, killed by a thrown potion on hardfought 11:25 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 2689 points, 4056 turns, killed by an orcish dagger on hardfought 11:26 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 55 points, 133 turns, killed by genocidal confusion on hardfought 11:27 DIED: knaveightt (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 45 points, 86 turns, killed by a master lich on hardfought 11:30 DIED: Raisse (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 105 points, 55 turns, killed by a fox on hdf-eu 11:32 DIED: Raisse (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 150 points, 463 turns, killed by a jackal on hdf-eu 11:32 Beholder: messages? 11:32 ais523: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-11-16 01:53 EST: whoa, that would be quite the nasty trap ;) I'd have to figure out where the function for item selection is if I want to implement that 11:32 ais523: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-11-16 04:57 EST: NetHack 3.6.0 still has that age-old, very bad advice "Program in disorder - perhaps you'd better #quit." Wouldn't you agree that it's time to finally replace that message by a more sensible one, like "perhaps you'd better save and load"? Many variants already do that :) 11:33 that sounds like a good change 11:33 anyone know of a reliable way to cause an impossible() so that I can test it? (requiring wizmode is OK and probably obligatory) 11:34 DIED: FIQ (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 431 points, 750 turns, caught himself in his own burning oil on hardfought 11:35 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 0 points, 4 turns, killed himself with his bullwhip on hardfought 11:36 huh, FIQ's doing unique deaths? 11:36 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 0 points, 9 turns, killed by his own pick-axe on hardfought 11:38 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 4 points, 74 turns, fell onto a sink on hardfought 11:38 DIED: FIQ (Pri-Elf-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 9 turns, killed by a sewer rat on hardfought 11:39 DIED: FIQ (Pri-Elf-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 69 turns, killed by a potion of holy water on hardfought 11:39 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 11:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v oh6] by ChanServ 11:41 DIED: khamul (Bar-Hum-Mal-Cha), 21420 points, 9661 turns, killed by a winged gargoyle on hdf-eu 11:41 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 125 points, 227 turns, killed by an iron ball collision on hardfought 11:42 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 25 turns, killed by a contaminated potion on hardfought 11:44 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 117 points, 192 turns, killed by a jackal on hardfought 11:44 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 13 turns, killed by a magic missile on hardfought 11:46 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 3 points, 13 turns, killed by a falling object on hardfought 11:50 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 111 points, 205 turns, dragged downstairs by an iron ball on hardfought 11:51 [fh] Satoshi VIII (puck) (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 cloak of displacement", on T:32360 11:51 good wish 11:54 [fh] Satoshi VIII (puck) (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 T-shirt", on T:32370 11:55 -!- aoei\splat has joined #hardfought 11:57 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1439 points, 1099 turns, crunched in the head by an iron ball on hardfought 11:58 [fh] Satoshi VIII (puck) (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 speed boots", on T:32411 12:03 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 12:07 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 163 points, 395 turns, killed by a small mimic on hardfought 12:07 . 12:07 LarienTelrunya: Message from aosdict at 2017-11-16 10:58 EST: yes, hunger rebalance will probably need to include some early game derandomization of food sources. How, I don't know. 12:08 ais523: uhh, I dunno, you might just make a local testing version, and hijack some function to call impossible() whenever it's called ;) 12:08 ais523: kind of want to start working on a thief stone implementation, but not sure if the idea is fleshed out enough. 12:08 other than that I don't really know about reliable impossible calls that would occur during normal play; maybe filling a level with monsters and then leaving and entering it again to call a mnexto() error 12:09 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 77 points, 103 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted water moccasin on hardfought 12:12 DIED: AmyBSOD (Sam-Hum-Fem-Law), 3314 points, 1587 turns, killed by a wand on hardfought 12:17 -!- StinkyGreene has joined #hardfought 12:17 LarienTelrunya: I tried injecting calls with a debugger 12:17 but it's not perfect because the game doesn't expect pline() calls in the middle of the keyboard input code 12:18 btw, I'm planning to say "thanks for … for reminding me" in the commit message 12:18 what name should I use for you? 12:18 AmyBSOD 12:18 :) 12:18 (LarienTelrunya is "Amy Bluescreen" put into an elvish name generator) 12:19 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:19 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1648 points, 1849 turns, committed suicide on hardfought 12:19 OK, vanilla changed 12:19 Neat 12:20 the change will become public in a few hours, IIRC; definitely within 24, I think it's less though 12:20 yay! 12:20 * aosdict zaps a wand of polymorph at vanilla NetHack... now it's chocolate NetHack 12:20 (there's a time delay in case we commit something that really shouldn't be committed by mistake, it gives us a chance to obliterate the commit before it becomes public; we've never actually had to do this) 12:20 aosdict: heh, I actually ate chocolate ice-cream a few hours ago :) 12:20 DIED: jackofclubs (Cav-Dwa-Mal-Law), 49 points, 252 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning on hardfought 12:22 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 8 turns, killed by kicking a wall on hardfought 12:22 go team - 12:23 gah, a small mimic death-dropped a tripe ration and I reflexively ate it! 12:23 good thing it wasn't a chameleon imitating a brown monster :P 12:23 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 12 turns, killed by an exploding ring on hardfought 12:24 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 26 turns, killed by a burning potion of oil on hardfought 12:27 EPI: foxes can drop werejackal corpses, or whatever the red werecreature is. And jackals/wolves/etc. can drop corpses of the brown werefoo. 12:28 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:28 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 3287 points, 141 turns, killed by a contaminated potion on hardfought 12:29 EPI: any corpse has a 0.1% chance to grant lycanthropy. 12:29 jonadab: what do you think of slex's wereform trap? It makes it so that for the next few thousand or so turns, you'll have polymorphitis, but it only polymorphs you into werecreatures. 12:32 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 414 points, 712 turns, killed by a cue boulder on hardfought 12:36 [slex] kenanbit (Art Min Mal Neu), 119 points, T:340, killed by a kick in the nuts 12:36 LarienTelrunya: btw, my nasty trap suggestion was based on an actual FIQhack bug 12:36 oh, nice :) 12:36 it's possibly less nasty than some of the others because it doesn't actually make any input impossible, just frustrating 12:37 I'll have to see whether I can make it work as a nasty trap, but for now the dungeon overhaul has higher priority (I already increased slex's dungeon size to 100 and added the 100-level extra dungeon after you claim the amulet :D) 12:38 ASCENDED: elenmirie (Rog-Orc-Fem-Cha), 1168938 points, 30457 turns, ascended on hdf-eu 12:38 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elenmirie/dn36/dumplog/1510765889.dn36.txt 12:38 at some point you're going to get driven insane by your own game and end up ragequitting 12:38 LarienTelrunya: You should make the slex dungeon size conform to the "zero, one, infinity" rule. 12:39 heh... ais523: it's possible to play in ironman mode, which means that every normal room becomes a (usually monster-filled) special room, and traversing 200+ dungeon levels in that mode will be *fun*! 12:39 TROPHY: elenmirie just earned the Hat Trick 12:39 LarienTelrunya: that is not the normal definition of "ironman" 12:39 which is typically a ban on backtracking 12:40 DIED: jackofclubs (Cav-Dwa-Mal-Law), 937 points, 1136 turns, killed by a giant ant, while praying on hardfought 12:40 yeah; it's "ironman rooms", from Angband 12:40 actual ironman, where you cannot backtrack, would be impossible in nethack for a variety of reasons, one of them being the quest branch, but also other branches 12:40 aren't they normally called "vaults" in Angband? 12:40 well, unless you want to ban all of them in an actual ironman mode 12:41 also FIQ and I had a conversation about this a while ago 12:41 we think it's possible to play the game with no backtracking other than the ascension run 12:41 what about the quest? allow downstairs only while it's incomplete and upstairs only if it is? 12:41 although it relies on an early wish for the Eye of the Aethiopica and a lot of levport scrolls 12:41 hahaha :D 12:42 DIED: ab5ni (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 4071 points, 5024 turns, killed by a large dog called Idefix on hardfought 12:42 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1802 points, 1302 turns, killed by a carnivorous bag on hardfought 12:43 let's see, what about this: start off by levporting to dl4 which is the mines branch level, enter mines, levport to dl2 then quest branch, do quest, branchport to mines, levport to dl3 then valley then rodney's, scare him out of the tower, levport to vlad-branch, do vlad's, levport to VS, you now have all 3 invocatio n items and the only levels you've visited twice are the first levels of mines and the quest 12:43 OK, I misremembered the rules slightly 12:43 they were that you could visit each level only twice, /including/ on the asc run 12:44 EPI: Grabbing the amulet causes the dungeon to quake around you, remaking every level above the wizard's tower 12:44 heh, how about "can only use each staircase once until the ascension run" 12:44 LarienTelrunya: that's my usual working definition 12:45 but it interacts oddly with things like holes and levport scrolsl 12:45 hm 12:45 ah 12:45 only have 25 deaths left until I match Wooble 12:45 hmm, what about a more direct sort of ironman? when you step off a map square you can't step back onto it 12:45 ais523: heh, DYWYPI once you enter a dead end :D 12:45 LarienTelrunya: you could pray 12:46 having no legal moves is a major trouble 12:46 the game spawns grues at every square you step on, and they will eat you if you do? 12:46 I was thinking walls popping up behind you 12:46 you could make it holes to make it slightly less evil 12:46 NH4's draw_stepped helps here 12:46 or yes, draw_stepped 12:46 you *can* escape holes 12:46 Radnom traps 12:46 ais523: or pits, fits slex frustration nicely 12:46 *Random 12:46 so you can go on 12:46 it's just really annoying to do so 12:47 if you did that you could make it only apply to normal room and corridor squares 12:47 in slex, your standard ascension kit includes a source of flying so everyone just ignores pits ;) 12:47 so that you could re-enter a level via the stairs if you left it that way 12:47 LarienTelrunya: is that why you made inverse water that only affects people /if/ they're flying? 12:47 yeah, it's a way to make sure flying is not a cure-all 12:47 why is it called crystal water anyway 12:48 I still think that slex should have 'paranoid' traps that only exist if searched for 12:48 How about every tile you've stepped on becomes an extremely nasty trap? 12:49 well, I'm picturing the "crystal water" as especially crystal-clear water that looks a bit like https://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/crystal-blue-water-erik-albright.jpg and just imagine the water clinging from the ceiling to be such water 12:49 FIQ: it is only the best water from the purest crystal springs, all yours for the low low price of 10000 zorkmids 12:49 *per bottle 12:49 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 6 turns, killed by a falling object on hardfought 12:50 Tarmunora: slex has invisible traps, do they qualify? They cannot be made visible at all, no matter how much you search, and see invisible or triggering them or seeing a monster trigger them doesn't help either. 12:50 And slex has a trap that makes all future spawned traps invisible. 12:50 * ais523 imagines a trap that's invisible but doesn't actually do anything 12:50 LarienTelrunya: where is this elvish name translator thing you mentioned earlier? 12:51 heh, wand of striking is crystal this game 12:51 er, glass 12:51 Not quite the same; invisible traps don't punish you for searching, paranoid ones would 12:51 K2: http://chriswetherell.com/Elf/ 12:51 Tarmunora: oooooooh :D 12:52 a trap that makes it so every time you search, a trap comes into existence? 12:52 I think I suggested that one earlier too :P 12:52 -!- K2 is now known as AerandirAnwamane 12:52 I think I really need to spend less time around LarienTelrunya, these slex conversations make my head hurt so much :-D 12:52 somehow 'K2' translates to Aerandir Anwamanë 12:53 :D 12:53 ais523: maybe the headache fades away if you actually play it! just kidding ;) 12:53 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 12:54 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 12:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 12:55 -!- Tarmunora is now known as ElweCulnamo 12:55 -!- AerandirAnwamane is now known as K2 12:55 My usual 'Nora Tarm' translates to Elwë Culnámo 12:55 Neat 12:56 ElweCulnamo: oh, so you're a woman too? 12:56 No, it's just my standard pseudonym 12:56 huh, but Nora is a female name! 12:56 In English it is. 12:56 i call shenanigans on that website 12:56 It's a play on 'Tarmunora', my goto username :P 12:57 it doesnt account for all gender types 12:57 male or female is soooo 20th century 12:57 K2: It accounts for all genders that are relevant for elves. 12:57 At least in Tolkein. 12:57 K2: suggest the flying toaster gender to the maintainer of the name generator! :) 12:57 i didnt see an entry for 'toaster oven' 12:58 -!- ElweCulnamo is now known as Tarmunor-away 12:58 this makes me sad 12:58 How about meat popsicle? 12:58 ^^^ 12:58 splitting up into aos|dict gives me Valandil Telemmaitë 12:58 Actually, if you really wanted to translate your name into Quenya, you'd want to know the etymology of your name first. 13:00 My given name, if you trace it back to its origins, originally meant either "he gives" or "he gave", depending on context. So logically if we were translating my name into Quenya, the result should also mean something like that. 13:00 Hello, Tarmunora bones pile 13:01 you mean ElweCulnamo bones pile 13:02 http://genderfluidsupport.tumblr.com/gender - this needs to be implemented 13:02 LarienTelrunya make it so 13:02 * aosdict is not sure why some tumblr blogs use HTTPS but the majority don't 13:03 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2625 points, 2392 turns, zapped himself with a wand on hardfought 13:03 K2: uhh that looks complicated 13:03 really 13:04 you just said THAT was complicated 13:04 the author of slex 13:04 where is amy and what did you do with her 13:05 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 13:05 DIED: AmyBSOD (Sam-Hum-Fem-Law), 3115 points, 2471 turns, killed by a fire ant on hardfought 13:05 well apparently she just died to something that she'd squish without a second thought if the variant she's playing were slex 13:05 i want to be able to roll a demifluid borg incantifier wizard hybrid whatever 13:07 I want to propose an alternate definition: "demigender" = any gender that you managed to ascend to demigodhood :D 13:07 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 311 points, 543 turns, squished under a boulder on hardfought 13:07 sorry that already exists 13:07 Demigender: a gender that is partially one gender and partially another 13:09 -!- StinkyGreene has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:09 -!- mcnick has joined #hardfought 13:12 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 49 points, 100 turns, killed by life drainage on hardfought 13:14 still noone ascend slex? 13:14 do i really have to do it? 13:19 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 278 points, 525 turns, teleported out of the dungeon and fell to his death on hardfought 13:19 nooo, you'll break jonadab's preconception that it's unwinnable by anyone except Amy 13:20 but she apparently made it easier now 13:20 by adding hundreds of more levels? 13:20 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 9 turns, killed by a falling object on hardfought 13:20 she buffed up players to hit dmg and armor bonuses 13:21 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 4 points, 21 turns, killed by a gas cloud on hardfought 13:22 -!- aeoi has joined #hardfought 13:25 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 202 points, 353 turns, killed by handling Sting on hardfought 13:25 -!- aoei\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:27 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 196 points, 337 turns, killed by a hobbit on hardfought 13:31 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 281 points, 649 turns, killed by a scroll of genocide on hardfought 13:32 [dnh] porkman (Hea Inc Mal Neu), 11803 points, T:4587, killed by an owlbear 13:33 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 1 turns, killed by a scroll of genocide on hardfought 13:34