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00:05 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: ab5ni (Bar-Hum-Mal-Neu), 9100 points, 5996 turns, killed by a dwarf, while sleeping on hardfought
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00:09 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: qp (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 510 points, 2166 turns, caught himself in his own magical blast on hardfought
00:09 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: ab5ni (Bar-Hum-Mal-Neu), 401 points, 384 turns, killed by a dwarf on hardfought
00:11 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: qp (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 158 points, 370 turns, killed by a dwarf on hardfought
00:11 <aosdict> another magic marker
00:12 <Bugpowder> Feeling good about this run…  Might be my first 3.6 ascension.  Almost have a kit and haven’t even reached medusa yet (no WoW tho).
00:12 <aosdict> I'm doomed
00:16 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: qp (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 100 points, 166 turns, killed by a bear trap on hardfought
00:21 <Bugpowder> just need some sdsm
00:22 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: qp (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 324 points, 563 turns, killed by a magic missile on hardfought
00:25 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: qp (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 222 points, 208 turns, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph on hardfought
00:32 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: qp (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 253 points, 643 turns, killed by a water moccasin on hardfought
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00:40 <NotTheOracle\dnt> ASCENDED: mtf (Pri-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1963288 points, 28086 turns, ascended on hardfought
00:40 <NotTheOracle\dnt> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mtf/dn36/dumplog/1509989138.dn36.txt
00:41 <NotTheOracle\dnt> TROPHY: mtf just earned the Birdie
00:41 <aosdict> ah, it's finally my turn to get orcto
00:41 <aosdict> orctown*
00:41 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: qp (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 383 points, 760 turns, killed by a gnome on hardfought
00:45 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: qp (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 200 points, 311 turns, killed by an invisible goblin on hardfought
00:45 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: aosdict (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 3534 points, 4299 turns, killed by a winter wolf on hardfought
00:45 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: qp (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 0 points, 10 turns, killed by a water demon on hardfought
00:46 <aosdict> that's the second run I've had today where I died just by being swarmed by summoned wolves from a werewolf
00:47 <MTF> da birdyyyyy
00:47 <MTF> I'm happy =D
00:47 <aosdict> YANI: bump up werewolves' difficulty some to account for the fact that they bring in a mob of difficulty 6-7 monsters.
00:48 <aosdict> congrats MTF 
00:54 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: qp (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 327 points, 771 turns, killed by a gnome, while frozen by a potion on hardfought
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01:01 <MTF> thanks aodict
01:02 <FIQ> shpingrlde: yes they share a key
01:03 <FIQ> "the word tariru"
01:04 <FIQ> gloves can have properties but not in the offensive sense no
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01:11 <FIQ> MTF: gz!
01:12 <K2> congrats MTF
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01:20 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: qp (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1451 points, 1637 turns, killed by a giant ant on hardfought
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01:26 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: qp (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 123 points, 141 turns, killed by a fox on hardfought
01:29 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: qp (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 127 points, 129 turns, killed by a dagger on hardfought
01:29 <Bugpowder> nooooo… can’t wish without finishing ZAPM
01:30 <raisse\splat> or turn it off on the website (but then it's turned off forever)
01:31 <FIQ> good luck!
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01:35 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: buffy (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 557 points, 1966 turns, killed by a giant bat, while sleeping on altorg
01:35 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: qp (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 105 points, 240 turns, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph on hardfought
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02:04 <ninetale> do the wishless conduct then
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02:09 <StatueSurfer> hey i'm modding nethack right now and i'm trying to add in a piece of armor
02:09 <StatueSurfer> but i have no idea what the "delay" parameter means
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02:10 <LarienTelrunya> delay is how many turns it takes to put the thing on; some types are coded in do_wear.c so that they expect to have a delay, I've run into problems when making something have a delay of 0 occasionally
02:11 <StatueSurfer> okay thank you
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02:14 <StatueSurfer> what's "can" mean?
02:16 <LarienTelrunya> magic cancellation; values range from 0 to 3 in vanilla
02:16 <StatueSurfer> okay thank you
02:16 <StatueSurfer> that makes those values make a lot more sense
02:24 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: ninetale (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 6099 points, 1660 turns, killed by a dwarf mummy, while frozen by a monster's gaze on altorg
02:33 <StatueSurfer> okay what are all the steps you have to take to add a piece of armor to the game?
02:35 <StatueSurfer> i wrote the armor into the objects.c
02:35 <StatueSurfer> and i guess i have to put the name into objnam.h
02:35 <StatueSurfer> and it looks like add its case into do_wear.c
02:35 <LarienTelrunya> you mean onames.h? that one is automatically generated
02:35 <LarienTelrunya> yeah, add a case to do_wear.c
02:37 <StatueSurfer> er right yeah
02:37 <StatueSurfer> onames.h
02:37 <LarienTelrunya> onames.h is automatically generated when you compile, don't edit it :)
02:37 <StatueSurfer> oh okay
02:38 <StatueSurfer> that's why it messed up when i compiled it :x
02:39 <LarienTelrunya> how do I use grep in unix? if I say "grep Erdrick.des" I just get a blank line that apparently expects input, but I want to search all files in this folder and subfolders for the string "Erdrick.des"!
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02:42 <LarienTelrunya> jonadab: help! I don't know how to grep for a string in all subfolders!
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02:43 <shpingrlde> http://i.imgur.com/zBgoCXw.png
02:43 <LarienTelrunya> ahh thanks, that helped :)
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02:47 <StatueSurfer> dang it i got a weird error
02:48 <LarienTelrunya> paste the error message!
02:49 <StatueSurfer> it says: "The command 'C:\Users\...\NetHack\win\win32\vs2017\...\...\...\tools\debug\win32\makedefs.exe -o' exited with code 1."
02:49 <LarienTelrunya> there must be an error somewhere else in the compile log
02:49 <StatueSurfer> and refers to me to line 8 of aftermakedefs.proj
02:50 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Entitas (Pri-Hum-Fem-Neu), 5382 points, 4521 turns, killed by a soldier ant on hardfought
02:50 <StatueSurfer> well it only happened after i added that custom armor in
02:50 <LarienTelrunya> can you grep the compile log for lines that contain "error"?
02:52 <StatueSurfer> i don't know
02:52 <StatueSurfer> because i don't know what "grep" means
02:53 <LarienTelrunya> hmm... what operating system are you using?
02:53 <StatueSurfer> windows
02:53 <LarienTelrunya> ah, then that obviously doesn't work :/
02:54 <LarienTelrunya> well, grepping for the error, I mean
02:54 <LarienTelrunya> but there should still be some line in the compile log showing the actual error
02:54 <StatueSurfer> yes i think so
02:55 <StatueSurfer> 1>C:\Users\...\NetHack\win\win32\vs2017\aftermakedefs.proj(8,2): error MSB3073: The command "C:\Users\...\NetHack\win\win32\vs2017\..\..\..\tools\Debug\Win32\makedefs.exe -o" exited with code 1.
02:55 <LarienTelrunya> huh? I've never seen that message before...
02:55 <StatueSurfer> well that's comforting
02:58 <LarienTelrunya> is there nothing error-like in the lines before that message?
02:58 <StatueSurfer> it's the fourth line down so no
02:59 <StatueSurfer> it was the only error in the whole thing
02:59 <StatueSurfer> do you know aftermakedefs.proj does?
03:00 <LarienTelrunya> no, I didn't even know it was part of the compile process :(
03:00 <StatueSurfer> *know what
03:02 <StatueSurfer> okay
03:02 <shpingrlde> does 3.6 have anything like NH4 where you can slide your cursor (by keyboard or mouse) across multiple items to quickly farlook them all?
03:03 <StatueSurfer> is there anywhere else i need to insert my new armor piece besides objects.c and do_wear.c?
03:06 <LarienTelrunya> can you post a screenshot of your attempt to compile?
03:07 <StatueSurfer> rip i can't
03:07 <StatueSurfer> what would you have looked for
03:08 <LarienTelrunya> well, an error message pointing to one of the files you have edited (objects.c or do_name.c)
03:08 <StatueSurfer> well there isn't one b/c this mystery error was the only one returned
03:09 <StatueSurfer> there were a bunch of warnings though
03:09 <FIQ> shpingrlde: 3.6.1 does
03:09 <FIQ> not sure if 3.6.0 does
03:09 <FIQ> press /
03:09 <FIQ> see if you get an option for it
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03:17 <StatueSurfer> LarienTelrunya: welp i've gtg for the night, so if you come up with something, i'd really appreciate it if you tell me. thanks for your help tonight, too
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03:29 <shpingrlde> thanks FIQ , / O is awesome
03:44 <FIQ> !tell K2 pushed a fix with eggs
03:44 <Beholder> Will do, FIQ!
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03:50 <FIQ> !tell K2 pushed minor fixes
03:50 <Beholder> Will do, FIQ!
03:50 <FIQ> oops, didn't intend to do that twice
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03:50 <FIQ> brainfart
03:50 <FIQ> oh well
03:58 <LarienTelrunya> Why can a mind flayer instadeath not be recovered via life saving? It just eats your brain, but if you're being *disintegrated*, your entire body is gone (including the brain), shouldn't that also be a permanent, not-lifesave-able instadeath then?
04:02 <LarienTelrunya> Evil Patch idea: acid pits. Like regular pits, but deal severe acid damage each turn and can quickly kill you unless you have acid resistance, plus it corrodes your entire inventory.
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04:15 <LarienTelrunya> YANI for dnethack: implement super glue from ZAPM, and make it the elder priest's kryptonite by allowing the player to glue his tentacles together, preventing him from attacking with them.
04:15 <LarienTelrunya> Would also work on mind flayers and anything else that has tentacles, of course.
04:45 <NotTheOracle\dnt> ASCENDED: Raisse (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 2011430 points, 42450 turns, ascended on hdf-eu
04:45 <NotTheOracle\dnt> https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/R/Raisse/dn36/dumplog/1509957446.dn36.txt
04:46 <NotTheOracle\dnt> TROPHY: Raisse just earned the Dilithium Star
04:50 <Beholder> [fh] Eir IV (puck) (Val Hum Fem Law), 77520 points, T:23188, petrified by catching the eye of Medusa
04:51 <FIQ> !lastgame
04:51 <Beholder> FIQ: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/puck/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-11-07%2009%3A50%3A07%2C%20Eir%20IV-Val-Hum-Fem-Law%2C%20died.txt
04:51 <raisse\splat> eep did you forget to put your towel on?
04:52 <FIQ> raisse\splat: it's puck1
04:52 <raisse\splat> er, puck isn't here
04:52 <FIQ> in #NetHack
04:52 <raisse\splat> yes, I was just talking to them over there, too
04:52 <raisse\splat> still giddy with ascending :-)
04:52 <FIQ> heh
04:52 <FIQ> raisse\splat: gz!
04:53 <raisse\splat> thanks!
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04:53 <raisse\splat> had to put on a ring of conflict so I could wade through the ants
04:54 <FIQ> heh
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04:56 <Grasshopper> LarienTelrunya, would the ZAPM glue work on Harvey Weinstein?
04:56 <raisse\splat> nah, too slimy
04:57 <Grasshopper> hmmm, use some gaffer/cloth tape then? That stuff is meant to work underwater
04:57 <Grasshopper> well, be waterproof maybe not work underwater. But not necessarily slime-proof
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05:21 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Rex (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 152867 points, 31069 turns, drowned in a pool of water by a python on hdf-eu
05:22 <NotTheOracle\dnt> TROPHY: Rex now holds the Highest Scored Caveman
05:23 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 289 points, 460 turns, killed by a gnome lord on hdf-eu
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05:49 <Tangles> omg the bot spammed all the trophies.
05:50 <Tangles> sorry :(
06:09 <khoR> Bad bot!
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06:25 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: groovejumper (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 22 points, 249 turns, killed by a jackal on hardfought
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06:49 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: groovejumper (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 2660 points, 3334 turns, killed by a plains centaur on hardfought
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07:15 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 843 points, 2666 turns, killed by a sewer rat, while fainted from lack of food on hdf-eu
07:22 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 1578 points, 1614 turns, killed by an orc zombie on hdf-eu
07:25 <NotTheOracle\dnt> CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Rex accepted the Joust challenge.
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07:38 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 176 points, 200 turns, killed by a jackal, while unconscious from rotten food on hdf-eu
07:39 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 136 points, 160 turns, killed by a jackal on hdf-eu
07:53 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 32136 points, 12572 turns, killed by sitting on an iron spike on hardfought
07:55 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Rex (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 742 points, 1923 turns, killed by a newt, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hdf-eu
07:55 <NotTheOracle\dnt> TROPHY: wooble just earned the Lead Star
07:56 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 29 points, 10 turns, killed by a potion of holy water on hardfought
07:59 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 2686 points, 6237 turns, killed by a rock piercer on hdf-eu
08:03 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 509 points, 787 turns, shot herself with a death ray on hardfought
08:04 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 982 points, 1630 turns, killed by a falling rock on hdf-eu
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08:04 <LarienTelrunya> YASI for ZAPM: when you are "pregnant" with a chestburster alien, and you are lawful, killing it in any way counts as murder. That would require alignments to exist in ZAPM, though. Alternate YASI: implement chestburster aliens in NetHack, and lawfuls get dinged for murder if they kill one.
08:05 <Beholder> [nd] Mischling (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 647 points, T:946, killed by a dagger
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08:10 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 756 points, 968 turns, killed by a cave spider on hardfought
08:18 <FIQ> wow
08:20 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Eleven (Mon-Hum-Fem-Cha), 3497 points, 5058 turns, killed by a hill orc on hardfought
08:20 <FIQ> HEAD är nu på f60000077 Fix: Medusa meets Medusa's gaze  
08:20 <FIQ> nice commit hash
08:21 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 600 points, 318 turns, killed by a gnome lord on hardfought
08:22 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 61 turns, killed by axing a hard object on hardfought
08:23 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Rex (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 1072 points, 1826 turns, killed by a water moccasin on hdf-eu
08:25 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 529 points, 458 turns, killed by a black pudding on hardfought
08:26 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Rex (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 333 points, 504 turns, killed by a sewer rat on hdf-eu
08:26 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 31 points, 87 turns, killed by a grid bug on hardfought
08:28 <Beholder> [nd] Mischling (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:3443
08:28 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 181 points, 131 turns, killed by a falling object on hardfought
08:29 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1056 points, 4016 turns, poisoned by a centipede on hdf-eu
08:29 <Beholder> [fh] Eir V (puck) (Val Hum Fem Law), 33368 points, T:2273, killed by a valkyrie called "Eir"
08:29 <aosdict> !tell StatueSurfer I'd really recommend you use Linux in some way to try compiling NetHack. Whether that's Windows Subsystem for Linux, or a VM, or whatever. As you can see, most people can't help you with Windows-specific errors.
08:29 <Beholder> Will do, aosdict!
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08:33 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 82 points, 309 turns, killed by a burning scroll on hardfought
08:34 <FIQ> !lastgame
08:34 <Beholder> FIQ: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/puck/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-11-07%2013%3A28%3A58%2C%20Eir%20V-Val-Hum-Fem-Law%2C%20died.txt
08:35 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 67 points, 55 turns, killed by a sewer rat on hardfought
08:40 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 3320 points, 5005 turns, killed by a winter wolf cub, while praying on hdf-eu
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08:43 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 534 points, 1407 turns, killed by a kitten on hardfought
08:44 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 610 points, 904 turns, killed by a large kobold, while fainted from lack of food on hdf-eu
08:45 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Rex (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 197 points, 381 turns, killed by a sewer rat on hdf-eu
08:46 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 191 points, 302 turns, killed by an incubus on hardfought
08:50 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 758 points, 905 turns, killed by a snake, while fainted from lack of food on hdf-eu
08:51 <NotTheOracle\dnt> CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Mischling accepted the Pac-Man challenge.
08:52 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 468 points, 1778 turns, killed by an incubus on hardfought
08:55 <NotTheOracle\dnt> CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Mischling accepted the Grue challenge.
08:56 <NotTheOracle\dnt> CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Mischling accepted the Pool challenge.
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09:23 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 694 points, 1378 turns, killed by an imp on hdf-eu
09:29 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Rex (Mon-Hum-Fem-Law), 644 points, 588 turns, killed by a hobgoblin on hdf-eu
09:35 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Mischling (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Neu), 6032 points, 6255 turns, killed by a gremlin on hardfought
09:39 <NotTheOracle\dnt> ASCENDED: Mandevil (Rog-Orc-Mal-Cha), 2356968 points, 34435 turns, ascended on hdf-eu
09:39 <NotTheOracle\dnt> https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Mandevil/dn36/dumplog/1509735305.dn36.txt
09:39 <K2> \o/
09:39 <Beholder> K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-11-07 03:44 EST: pushed a fix with eggs
09:39 <Beholder> K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-11-07 03:50 EST: pushed minor fixes
09:40 <NotTheOracle\dnt> TROPHY: Mandevil now holds the Highest Scored Rogue
09:40 <NotTheOracle\dnt> TROPHY: Mandevil just earned the Dilithium Star
09:45 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Rex (Mon-Hum-Fem-Law), 3128 points, 1363 turns, killed by a gnome lord on hdf-eu
09:45 <Grasshopper> grats Mandevil\splat!
09:45 <Mandevil\splat> Grasshopper: Thanks.
09:45 <Mandevil\splat> Grasshopper: Aren't you about to ascend as well?
09:47 <Grasshopper> Mandevil\splat, yes when I get around to it!
09:48 <raisse\splat> is there a "most ascensions in 24 hours" trophy? if so we'll probably have it if Grasshopper ascends today as well
09:53 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Rex (Rog-Orc-Fem-Cha), 8 points, 77 turns, killed by a magical explosion on hdf-eu
09:57 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 6987 points, 7503 turns, killed by a psychic blast on hardfought
09:57 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: eitbo (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 4041 points, 6467 turns, killed by a giant bat on hardfought
09:58 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: zaga (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 1902 points, 1630 turns, killed by a wand on hardfought
09:59 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 929 points, 1843 turns, killed by a dagger on hdf-eu
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10:03 <Beholder> [dnh] rikersan (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 69 points, T:145, killed by a water moccasin
10:05 <Beholder> [dnh] rikersan (Bin Swn Fem Non), 68 points, T:283, killed by a newt
10:06 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: aosdict (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 3798 points, 4047 turns, killed by a dwarf on hardfought
10:10 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Rex (Rog-Hum-Fem-Cha), 1325 points, 1280 turns, killed by a dwarf on hdf-eu
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10:11 <Beholder> [dnh] rikersan (Bin Inc Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:724
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10:16 <aosdict> YANI: You can pacify (but not tame) most d and f monsters by throwing appropriate food at them.
10:17 <raisse\splat> oh like tigers and jackals
10:17 <raisse\splat> I was about to say "but you already can"
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10:22 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: zaga (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 824 points, 1092 turns, killed by a dwarf on hardfought
10:25 <Beholder> [dnh] rikersan (Bin Inc Mal Non), 10450 points, T:2522, killed by a giant spider
10:25 <rikersan> I really need to stop read-id'ing scrolls
10:27 <jonadab> NetHack isn't Brogue.  There are lots of ways to identify items _before_ you use them.
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10:30 <aosdict> hmm, 2 unidentified lamps...
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10:33 <aosdict> aaaarch
10:33 <raisse\splat> are they different kinds?
10:33 <aosdict> my autopickup exceptions apparently don't match "cursed stone called prob load"
10:34 <aosdict> raisse\splat: no
10:36 <aosdict> and this priest is one who DIDN'T start with +oRC
10:36 <aosdict> if I had that spell, I could make sure the exceptions were working properly :)
10:39 <aosdict> oh hello, bones for the first time in devnull
10:40 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: nht (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1558 points, 600 turns, killed by a gnome lord, while praying on hdf-eu
10:40 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: aosdict (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1434 points, 2035 turns, killed by a gnome on hardfought
10:49 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 2904 points, 2648 turns, killed by a hill orc on hardfought
10:50 <FIQ> aosdict: but why would you autopickup stones in first place
10:50 <rikersan> likely autopickup types
10:50 <rikersan> for gems
10:50 <aosdict> mhm
10:50 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: knaveightt (Rog-Orc-Mal-Cha), 3842 points, 2225 turns, killed by a dingo on hardfought
10:51 <aosdict> and a lot of gems are "foo stone
10:51 <aosdict> "
10:51 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: nht (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1388 points, 1023 turns, killed by a falling rock on hdf-eu
10:52 <Grassy> "Matty falls into a pit!"
10:52 <Grassy> Matty is a trapper. They are basically a huge carpet on the floor. How does that fall into a pit?
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10:53 <aosdict> it's a big pit
10:54 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 0 points, 20 turns, slipped while mounting a saddled pony on hardfought
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11:07 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: aosdict (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 692 points, 1934 turns, killed by a bat, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hardfought
11:07 <rikersan> I feel like there's been a lot more deaths to team e during the tourney than unusual
11:08 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: nht (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 2715 points, 979 turns, killed by a troll on hdf-eu
11:08 <aosdict> I was just frustrated, he was blocking a long corridor
11:08 <rikersan> ah ok
11:09 <jonadab> It's usually easier to lure them back into the room you just left, than to wait for them to move away from you down a corridor.
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11:10 <aosdict> jonadab: he was at the *other end* of a very long corridir
11:10 <aosdict> corridor*
11:11 <Beholder> [fh] Brynhildr (puck) (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the ghost of TKirby, the former Thaumaturge, on T:12874
11:15 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 81 points, 373 turns, killed by a small mimic on hdf-eu
11:17 <bug_sniper_> EPI: a data deletion scroll on slashem extended
11:18 <bug_sniper_> perhaps it has to be an artifact that's as rare as the deletorous bug
11:18 <rikersan> what's that bug?
11:20 <bug_sniper_> @le?deletorous bug
11:20 <Beholder> No such monster.
11:20 <bug_sniper_> @le?deleterous bug
11:20 <Beholder> No such monster.
11:20 <bug_sniper_> not in beholder yet
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11:34 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 344 points, 1398 turns, killed by a jackal, while reading a book on hdf-eu
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11:43 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 794 points, 973 turns, killed by a dwarf on hdf-eu
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12:01 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Rex (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 72 points, 70 turns, killed by an alchemic blast on hdf-eu
12:10 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 1053 points, 4322 turns, killed by a giant rat, while fainted from lack of food on hdf-eu
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12:23 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Rex (Sam-Hum-Fem-Law), 1070 points, 1046 turns, killed by a pony on hdf-eu
12:23 <raisse\splat> those water demons are so grateful when you use their fountain to dilute your useless potions!
12:32 <Porkman> Rikersan, are you awake?> :p
12:33 <Porkman> Raisse - it's all a trap. THey do grant some wishes sometimes because that makes many a foolish newbie adventurer release them and give them their own soul instead. It's a bit like playing the lottery.
12:34 <Porkman> that being said I once got a wish from a fountain on d17 or 18
12:34 <raisse\splat> all I wanted was a potion of water instead of sickness, so I could pray over it and get it blessed
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12:37 <jonadab> aosdict: Ah.
12:37 <aosdict> ah what?
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12:41 <rikersan> !lastgame dnh
12:41 <Beholder> rikersan: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rikersan/dnethack/dumplog/1510067143.dnh.txt
12:41 <aosdict> jonadab: ?
12:43 <jonadab> aosdict: other end of a very long corridor.
12:44 <jonadab> In that case, yeah, you walk up to it and write Elbereth, and then it "flees" but doesn't move, and then it stops fleeing and wants to approach you again, except it's already adjacent, rinse, repeat.
12:45 <jonadab> (I personally consider this stationary "fleeing" one of the more glaring AI movement bugs in vanilla.)
12:45 <aosdict> And priests are typically short on things to throw at them, and usually miss anyway.
12:45 <jonadab> (It happens for the same reason that pets don't want to follow you down a corridor if you are even slightly faster than them.)
12:46 <jonadab> Right, I was assuming it was early enough that you had no ranged attacks.
12:46 <jonadab> Floating eyes start showing up pretty early.
12:46 <jonadab> And you've been around NetHack enough to know to use ranged attacks against an eye if you have them.
12:49 <FIQ> https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/7b82ul/favourite_pieces_of_unhelpful_advice/?st=j9pwtqvn&sh=5b9e41e3 coming up with advice for this was kinda fun
12:50 <FIQ> more fun if the advice sounds plausible by someone not that well-versed into the game
12:50 <jonadab> Yes, I am enjoying that thread.
12:50 <jonadab> Discovered it at an inconvenient time (needed to get ready for work), didn't get to put much thought into my answer, but.
12:51 <FIQ> "The fastest way to find out which potions are which is to quaff all the unidentified ones you find." I actually do this :P
12:51 <jonadab> When you don't have a unicorn horn?
12:51 <FIQ> yes
12:51 <jonadab> How often to you end up getting killed by a hallucinogen-distorted monster?
12:51 <FIQ> pop quiz! what is wrong with this: To deal with monsters with dangerous wands: make sure to stay at a knight's distance from them. That way, they will not be able to hit you without moving
12:52 <FIQ> jonadab: oh, hallu isn't that bad danger-wise
12:52 <FIQ> it's just annoying
12:52 <FIQ> lock yourself in a closed
12:52 <FIQ> *closet
12:52 <FIQ> while testing
12:52 <jonadab> Ah.
12:52 <jonadab> I suppose.
12:53 <jonadab> Oooh, I like the one about zapping polywand at starting pet.  Subtle.
12:53 <jonadab> A lot of moderately-experienced players might think that's sane.
12:53 <jonadab> The knight's move thing would work in NH4, wouldn't it?
12:53 <FIQ> nope!
12:53 <jonadab> Or is that only in FIQHack?
12:53 <FIQ> only in FIQHack and dNetHack
12:53 <jonadab> Ah.
12:53 <jonadab> Ok.
12:53 <FIQ> isn't move+attack a great feature
12:54 <aosdict> the one about ray-type wands is something I do, if I have plenty of HP and a weak ray like magic missile
12:54 <jonadab> Eh, just go a double-knight's-move away (four east/west and six north/south, or vice versa).
12:55 <FIQ> jonadab: sure
12:55 <FIQ> but it's still a horrible feature
12:55 <FIQ> IMO
12:55 <jonadab> aosdict: Or the relevant resistance?
12:55 <jonadab> FIQ: Yes, I agree.
12:55 <jonadab> FIQ: I'd cherry-pick your change if I weren't certain it's dependent on a bunch of your other monster-AI stuff.
12:55 <jonadab> But I'll get it on rebase.
12:55 <FIQ> pretty sure it isn't
12:55 <FIQ> I mean, dnethack has it
12:55 <jonadab> Oh?
12:55 <jonadab> Hmm.
12:56 <jonadab> I might consider it for .5 then.
12:56 <jonadab> It's too late to risk a change like that for .4 though.
12:57 <jonadab> Did you get that idea about corpses from ais' descriptions of unspoiled-player behavior?
12:57 <FIQ> jonadab: just checked
12:57 <jonadab> (He has described seeing unspoiled players do exactly that.)
12:57 <FIQ> apparently 4k also has the fix
12:57 <FIQ> cherry-picked from FIQHack
12:57 <jonadab> FIQ: Oh?  Neat.
12:57 <jonadab> Forgot I did that.
12:57 <FIQ> part of 9bdd578c1
12:57 <jonadab> Maybe that's why I thought NH4 has it.  Forgot where I inherited the change from.
12:58 <FIQ> jonadab: yes, but he is right
12:58 <FIQ> I did this myself...
12:58 <jonadab> FIQ: Oh, interesting, I did not know that.
13:00 <jonadab> Hah, thought of another one.
13:01 <FIQ> there is actually more roles that start with food :P
13:01 <jonadab> Yes.
13:01 <FIQ> knight is even more fun because they start with apples/etc for a very clear reason
13:01 <jonadab> But the healer's 5-10 apples are barely worth mentioning in that regard.
13:01 <FIQ> (and more fruits than healers)
13:01 <jonadab> And healer is a _hard_ role for new players.
13:02 <FIQ> true
13:08 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 6543 points, 5716 turns, killed by a water moccasin on hardfought
13:17 <Beholder> [nd] Rx (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12759
13:18 <Bugpowder> how do I get this canister unglued from my mouth in ZAPM?
13:18 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: knaveightt (Rog-Hum-Mal-Cha), 361 points, 600 turns, eaten by a Grue on hardfought
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13:31 <Bugpowder> Well that sucks.
13:31 <NotTheOracle\dnt> CHALLENGE IGNORED! Bugpowder ignored the ZAPM challenge.
13:31 <Bugpowder> Lost wish on 0:1 wand of wishing in castle due to ZAPM challenge interjection.  Now cant get my charging scrolls :(
13:32 <rikersan> :/
13:34 <Bugpowder> still wishless conduct tho
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13:36 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 433 points, 305 turns, killed by a hobbit, while sleeping off a magical draught on hardfought
13:38 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 294 points, 387 turns, killed by an electric shock on hardfought
13:38 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: winny (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 372 points, 701 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted jackal on hardfought
13:40 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 33 points, 51 turns, killed by a jackal on hardfought
13:42 <LarienTelrunya> jonadab: Thanks for the wonderful comments on that unhelpful advice thread! May I use them as rumors in slex? ;)
13:44 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: eitbo (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1329 points, 2586 turns, killed by a housecat, while praying on hardfought
13:44 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 533 points, 523 turns, killed by a kitten on hardfought
13:48 <jonadab> LarienTelrunya: Heh.  Knock yourself out.
13:48 <LarienTelrunya> yay!
13:49 <LarienTelrunya> I'll probably also add some stuff to that thread; gotta be careful to only add stuff that applies to vanilla :D
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13:51 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: winny (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 147 points, 492 turns, killed by a poisonous corpse on hardfought
13:51 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Eleven (Mon-Hum-Fem-Neu), 9116 points, 10691 turns, killed by a giant beetle on hardfought
13:54 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: winny (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 118 points, 272 turns, killed by a wand on hardfought
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13:59 <aosdict> LarienTelrunya: no, your unhelpful advice should be "play slex, it will give you lots of good experience that will help you do better in vanilla" :P
13:59 <LarienTelrunya> hahaha :D
14:01 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: firemonkey (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2735 points, 2604 turns, killed by a giant spider on hardfought
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14:02 <winny> i found a shield of reflection dlvl2 shop
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14:05 <NotTheOracle\dnt> CHALLENGE COMPLETED! wooble completed the Dig-Dug challenge.
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14:12 <aosdict> so I was fighting some soldier ants
14:12 <aosdict> have 2 wands that make engravings vanish
14:12 <aosdict> getting low on health, zap one at the ants. nothing happens, it must be cancellation.
14:13 <aosdict> heal up enough to be safe, zap another at the ants, they vanish... but then "It bites! It stings!"
14:13 <aosdict> now I have invisible ants to deal with
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14:15 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Sorcerer (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 25 turns, killed by a jackal on hardfought
14:16 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 5465 points, 3935 turns, killed by a bugbear on hardfought
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14:18 <NotTheOracle\dnt> CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Sorcerer accepted the Pool challenge.
14:20 <NotTheOracle\dnt> CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! winny accepted the Pac-Man challenge.
14:20 <aosdict> wow, a ton of garter snakes spawned in the oracle room
14:20 <aosdict> lots of hiding items :)
14:23 <aosdict> including a magic lamp
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14:24 <Beholder> [dnh] Thrak (Bar Hlf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:51010
14:25 <NotTheOracle\dnt> CHALLENGE COMPLETED! thisisdeuce completed the Pool challenge.
14:25 <winny> wow this run is great
14:25 <winny> already have reflection dlvl3, have identified a handful, cloak of protection, , fire,striking,frost,make invis, light wands, excalibur
14:26 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: firemonkey (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 352 points, 622 turns, killed by a dwarf on hardfought
14:27 <Beholder> [dnh] Thrak (Bar Hlf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:51091
14:29 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: firemonkey (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 185 points, 263 turns, killed by a dwarf on hardfought
14:29 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 235 points, 268 turns, killed by a newt, while helpless on hardfought
14:29 <fatty> DU.
14:33 <Beholder> [dnh] Thrak (Bar Hlf Mal Cha) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:51228
14:33 <FIQ> jonadab: "Always play as a human. That way you don't have to learn all the ins and outs of the various races. Humans are the most well-rounded race anyway, and they can be any role." good one
14:34 <NotTheOracle\dnt> CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Sorcerer accepted the Grue challenge.
14:34 <FIQ> aosdict: ouch lol
14:34 <aosdict> FIQ: beat the ants, beat the snakes, rubbed the lamp on a whim and now have +3 GDSM. Doing pretty well.
14:35 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Sorcerer (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 1498 points, 2217 turns, killed by a dwarf on hardfought
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14:38 <NotTheOracle\dnt> CHALLENGE COMPLETED! winny completed the Pac-Man challenge.
14:38 <winny> yay
14:42 <jonadab> FIQ: I actually did that for my first several years of NetHack play.  I wanted to try out different roles but didn't want the combinatorial explosion of roles+races...
14:42 <Beholder> [fh] Theila (nuclearunicorn7) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4984 points, T:139, killed by a Ms. Kalecik, the shopkeeper's wand
14:42 <jonadab> Only recently started opening myself up to combos like Orc Bar and Gno Wiz.
14:43 <LarienTelrunya> !tell Chris_ANG Is it intentional that dnethack still has the mysterious force on the ascension run behaving like it does in vanilla?
14:43 <Beholder> Will do, LarienTelrunya!
14:43 <jonadab> Oooh, that makes me think of another one.
14:44 <Chris_ANG> LarienTelrunya: Pretty sure it doesn't?  Should only affect the levels right at the top of gehennom (the so-called infinite staircase region)
14:44 <Beholder> Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-11-07 14:43 EST: Is it intentional that dnethack still has the mysterious force on the ascension run behaving like it does in vanilla?
14:44 <Chris_ANG> I know that worked at some point in the past.
14:44 <rikersan> it does I think then
14:44 <LarienTelrunya> Chris_ANG: oh, I didn't know that; I just saw Thrak get hit by the force and thought it applied everywhere in Gehennom.
14:44 <rikersan> thrak is on the ascension run right now, had that happen a couple times
14:45 <LarienTelrunya> also, evil patch idea: whenever the mysterious force triggers in dnethack, the elder priest resurrects (if dead) and warps to the upstair you just tried to use.
14:46 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea:  the mysterious force works everywhere, even on the Planes.
14:46 <rikersan> evil patch idea: the mysterious force (including elder priest ressurect) does not need you to have the amulet of yendor
14:46 <rikersan> simply leaving dlvl1 counts
14:47 <Chris_ANG> LarienTelrunya: Considered and rejected :P
14:47 <LarienTelrunya> Why is there an elder priest anyway? Like, what's the rationale to make such an overpowered monster replace the high priest?
14:47 <Chris_ANG> I had intended at one point to make the Elder Priest explicitly responsible for the force, but decided against it.
14:47 <NotTheOracle\dnt> ASCENDED: Grasshopper (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 3833565 points, 52253 turns, ascended on hardfought
14:47 <NotTheOracle\dnt> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Grasshopper/dn36/dumplog/1509659230.dn36.txt
14:47 <rikersan> congrats grassy
14:48 <shpingrlde> grassy didn't get the highest something or other?!
14:48 <shpingrlde> NotTheOracle\dnt: quit slackin
14:48 <rikersan> that takes a bit to trigger
14:48 <NotTheOracle\dnt> ASCENDED: Luxidream (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 2161290 points, 35416 turns, ascended on hardfought
14:48 <NotTheOracle\dnt> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dn36/dumplog/1510031265.dn36.txt
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14:49 <NotTheOracle\dnt> TROPHY: Grasshopper now holds the Highest Scored Wizard
14:49 <NotTheOracle\dnt> TROPHY: Grasshopper just earned the Dilithium Star
14:49 <shpingrlde> there it is
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14:50 <NotTheOracle\dnt> TROPHY: Luxidream now holds the Highest Scored Knight
14:51 <Grasshopper> ... and so it was written in the Book of Grasshopper...
14:51 <Grasshopper> thanks rikersan :D
14:51 <rikersan> :D
14:51 <winny> we tolkien now
14:52 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: firemonkey (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 1832 points, 1393 turns, killed by a black unicorn on hardfought
14:52 <shpingrlde> what are you tolkien about
14:54 <NotTheOracle\dnt> CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! eitkrog accepted the Dig-Dug challenge.
14:55 <Chris_ANG> LarienTelrunya: The high priest is a total pushover?  If there's one place to have a player-killer monster, it's guarding the amulet.
14:55 <LarienTelrunya> Yeah but the elder priest is so powerful, he could probably take on Moloch himself in combat and win, and become the new Moloch.
14:55 <rikersan> I mean tehre's always the wizard
14:55 <Chris_ANG> (If there's multiple places, they're guarding the amulet and a series of mostly-optional bonus-bosses)
14:56 <Chris_ANG> (If there's multiple places, they're guarding the amulet and a series of mostly-optional bonus-bosses)
14:56 <rikersan> he appears capable of killing the elder priest ;D
14:56 <Chris_ANG> (If there's multiple places, they're guarding the amulet and a series of mostly-optional bonus-bosses)
14:56 <rikersan> ... not at all bugged or anything
14:56 <LarienTelrunya> Also, evil patch idea for dnethack: hostile elder priests can also spawn randomly if the level difficulty is high enough.
14:56 <Chris_ANG> >_<
14:56 <Chris_ANG> I was up in scrollback going "Why isn't that displaying!?  I guess I'll try it again >:["
14:56 <rikersan> EPI for slex: "elder priest itis" is a nasty trap effect/feminist level up effect/wind inhabitant effect/whatever
14:57 <Beholder> [dnh] Thrak (Bar Hlf Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible Center of All, on T:52545
14:57 <rikersan> summons elder priests at regular intervals
14:57 <LarienTelrunya> haha :D
14:57 <rikersan> and/or a trap taht summons him once
14:57 <Beholder> [dnh] Thrak (Bar Hlf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:52569
14:57 <LarienTelrunya> well, evilvariant mode isn't implemented in slex yet, but it will eventually, and it's gonna have elder priests with tentacle attacks, and bisection/vorpal attacks and data delete attacks and probably also ragnarok attacks since otherwise it would be too easy :P
14:57 <rikersan> _sigh_ the wizard is such a pushover
14:58 <rikersan> ragnarok? what's that?
14:58 <jonadab> A type of scroll that causes elder priests to randomly generate, when that scroll is in inventory (even inside a container).  Random label, of course.
14:58 <jonadab> EPI: ^
14:58 <LarienTelrunya> :D
14:58 <FIQ> hmm
14:58 <FIQ> branchport works on devnull challenges
14:59 <LarienTelrunya> Evil Patch idea: ragnarok attacks. Some high-level monsters (e.g. the elder priest) have it, and it will transform half of all squares on the level into lava and spawn dozens of very high-level D and H and E and &. They will not drop corpses or items when killed. And the player will be continuously weeping angel contaminated for the next d10000 turns.
14:59 <FIQ> I wonder if you can abuse this to access challenges after you're out of lives
14:59 <jonadab> Makes sense if they're implemented as branches.
14:59 <aosdict> FIQ: of course it does, they're branches
14:59 <FIQ> yeah but...
14:59 <FIQ> what I said
14:59 <FIQ> what happens if you try to branchport to, say, digdug
14:59 <FIQ> with no lives left
15:00 <rikersan> larien: add elder priest as a difficulty 1 monster for purposes of "summon boss monster" scrolls, but not used for "boss companion" scrolls? :D
15:00 <jonadab> The obvious would be, you die.  But that's probably not what happens.
15:00 <rikersan> or make him untame and be hostile immediately after spawning
15:00 <LarienTelrunya> FIQ: would be nice if doing that would cause a kill screen :D
15:00 <FIQ> jonadab: my suspicion is that it allows you in
15:01 <jonadab> FIQ: Entirely possible.
15:01 <FIQ> and killing again sets you at -1 lives, or possibly 4294967295
15:01 <LarienTelrunya> rikersan: slex already has code in place that I can use to cause certain monsters to untame rapidly if the player somehow obtains a tame version :D
15:01 <aosdict> you have lives in digdug??
15:01 <rikersan> :D
15:01 <FIQ> aosdict: yes, 3
15:01 <FIQ> then you're kicked out
15:01 <FIQ> and can't reenter
15:01 <FIQ> p
15:01 <FIQ> acman works the same
15:01 <jonadab> aosdict: digdug was originally an arcade game.
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15:01 <jonadab> Its goal was to get you to put more quarters in.
15:01 <aosdict> so when you get hit, that instakills one of your "lives"?
15:01 <FIQ> yeah
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15:02 <FIQ> fygar firebreath doesn't count I think
15:02 <aosdict> meh, the problem is still there's no way to win if you run out of resources
15:03 <FIQ> charging
15:03 <FIQ> while you *can* run out of resources
15:03 <FIQ> it is very unlikely to happen before you just "die"
15:03 <aosdict> yes, and the player is much more likely to need to dig in the game before getting the ability to charge stuff
15:03 <LarienTelrunya> isn't the problem with digdug that the wand can often miss?
15:03 <rikersan> yes
15:04 <FIQ> aosdict: good thing the game gives you a pickaxe
15:04 <FIQ> and you can dig in digdug
15:04 <FIQ> LarienTelrunya: yes
15:04 <aosdict> FIQ: but all the enemies automatically pick up their wands
15:04 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: groovejumper (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 0 points, 41 turns, killed by a goblin on hardfought
15:04 <FIQ> hmm
15:04 <FIQ> didn't know taht
15:04 <aosdict> if you run out on any of them, it should be basically game over without charging
15:04 <FIQ> so play a tourist
15:05 <FIQ> :P
15:05 <LarienTelrunya> EPI for devnull: while the digdug challenge is active, you cannot dig in the digdug level and will have to somehow lure a dwarf or rock mole or similar monster there and hope it digs out the level for you.
15:05 <aosdict> again, I feel like digdug is the least well-thought-out challenge.
15:05 <shpingrlde> can you get crowned with Opposite Alignment on?
15:06 <jonadab> Probably?  Not sure what happens when you take it off then, though.
15:06 <raisse\splat> yes, only then you'll be the [other alignment's title] even when you get back to your own alignment
15:06 <jonadab> Ah.
15:06 <shpingrlde> other alignment artifact too?
15:06 <jonadab> If applicable, that would presumably not chnage, yeah.
15:06 <raisse\splat> I *think* I ascended as the neutral Hand of Elbereth once
15:07 <raisse\splat> crowned when I was lawful
15:07 <jonadab> shpingrlde: Being e.g. neutral and having Excalibur is not a bad thing at all.
15:07 <shpingrlde> right. or stormy!
15:07 <jonadab> Stormy would be a somewhat worse deal.
15:07 <shpingrlde> anything but vorpal in a storm
15:08 <jonadab> Vorpie is strictly better than a non-artifact long sword.
15:08 <jonadab> Stormy is...  a lot of hassle.
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15:10 <shpingrlde> sounds cool raisse\splat , thanks for the info
15:10 <aosdict> YANI: wands of striking do double damage to gargoyles and other stone-like monsters.
15:10 <shpingrlde> I always wanted a chaotic knight
15:10 <shpingrlde> post-quest permanent change of heart, not merely the hat
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15:10 <raisse\splat> HoOA will never make you neutral though
15:10 <raisse\splat> if you're lawful it makes you chaotic and vice versa, if you're neutral it makes you randomly lawful or chaotic
15:11 <jonadab> aosdict: Seems reasonable.
15:11 <jonadab> aosdict: force bolt too, for consistency.
15:11 <raisse\splat> yes, agree
15:11 <aosdict> Right, that's what I meant.
15:11 <jonadab> aosdict: possibly also picks?
15:12 <aosdict> jonadab: well currently there's a +2 to-hit bonus for picks against stony monsters... but that's so marginal it never gets used.
15:12 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: groovejumper (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 458 points, 848 turns, killed by a dwarf on hardfought
15:13 <raisse\splat> this pick -> http://valdyas.org/~irina/stonecutter
15:14 <aosdict> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Artifact_YANIs#Stonecutter
15:14 <shpingrlde> no one will wield it because no one uses 2handers in vanilla :\
15:14 <raisse\splat> wow, didn't realise it was in the wiki
15:14 * raisse\splat does!
15:14 <shpingrlde> you're immortal now
15:14 <aosdict> shpingrlde: baaaalance isssssues!
15:14 <raisse\splat> mattock, Tsurugi, Staff of A, Cleaver
15:15 <aosdict> raisse\splat: non-artifact 2h weapons need buffing, in general.
15:15 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: groovejumper (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 475 points, 643 turns, killed by a water moccasin on hardfought
15:16 <raisse\splat> ALL 2h weapons need buffing.
15:16 <raisse\splat> well, perhaps the Tsurugi is already powerful enough
15:16 <aosdict> Yes, but people tend to focus on artifact-specific buffs.
15:16 <Beholder> [nd] Rx (Hea Gno Mal Neu) averted death, on T:17341
15:17 <shpingrlde> spork's fix is good
15:18 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: eitkrog (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 4189 points, 4469 turns, killed by a soldier ant on hardfought
15:18 <aosdict> what is spork's fix
15:18 <shpingrlde> strength (and maybe skill?) bonuses are doubled with a 2h
15:20 <shpingrlde> ofc #tip is important. or only having cursed stick to your main hand, if any variants do that?
15:20 <aosdict> in my combat system overhaul, I try to differentiate two-handed from twoweapon by making twoweapon the most versatile and probably the highest damage, but the least reliable; whereas two-handed is better than anything else for damage and accuracy.
15:20 <aosdict> or at least, equal to one-handed for accuracy.
15:25 <aosdict> drat, sokoban has a second bag of holding
15:25 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: eitbo (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 3230 points, 2358 turns, killed by a pony, while praying on hardfought
15:26 <shpingrlde> how do you connect to hdf west?
15:26 <aosdict> west?
15:26 <shpingrlde> yeah there's a secret west coast server
15:27 <aosdict> you don't mean e6.alt.org?
15:27 <raisse\splat> oh come on neferet, I'm level 9
15:27 <shpingrlde> oh, maybe that's what it was. I thought hdf had one
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15:29 <aosdict> well, doing soko before minetown was... pretty successful
15:32 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: micromoog (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 13485 points, 14491 turns, killed by a vampire lord on hardfought
15:34 <Beholder> [nd] Rx (Hea Gno Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:18134
15:37 <aosdict> my horses keep dying... come on, guys, I only want to rob an entire shop full of rings
15:37 <Beholder> [dnh] Thrak (Bar Hlf Mal Cha) destroyed Death, on T:52892
15:40 <Beholder> [dnh] Thrak (Bar Hlf Mal Cha) destroyed Famine, on T:52949
15:44 <Beholder> [dnh] Thrak (Bar Hlf Mal Cha), 6581472 points, T:52989, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Thrak/dnethack/dumplog/1507554025.dnh.txt
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15:47 <aosdict> hmm, perhaps I should read these scrolls labeled ELAM EBOW hoping they're identify... I've got 7 of them
15:49 <raisse\splat> either that or telepoort
15:49 <rikersan> or create monster
15:49 <aosdict> well, the blessed ones should be fine in any of those cases
15:53 <raisse\splat> if you got any from tourist bones, they're magic mapping!
15:54 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: spontiff (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 4756 points, 39885 turns, killed by overexertion on hdf-eu
15:54 <spontiff> I'm not even *trying* for unique deaths :(
15:54 <rikersan> what's overexertion?
15:54 <spontiff> level drain at xl 1
15:54 <raisse\splat> foocubus draining you
15:54 <aosdict> raisse\splat: only encountered one set of bones this whole tournament.
15:55 <raisse\splat> I had davez bones in the mines with my recently-ascended wiz, some useful stuff
15:55 <rikersan> I sell my blank paper scrolls, then immediately after find a magic marker
15:55 <raisse\splat> but that was the only one in that game
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15:56 <FIQ> aosdict: what if blessed create monster allowed you to create an amount of your choice between 0 and 8
15:57 <aosdict> The gnome lord shoots 2 arrows.  The 1st arrow hits the gnome king!  The 2nd arrow hits the gnome king!  The gnome king is killed!
15:57 <aosdict> Did I just watch an assassination?
15:57 <raisse\splat> only if the gnome lord becomes a gnome king now
15:58 <raisse\splat> otherwise it's just a brawl
15:58 <Beholder> [4k] sullysully (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 306 points, T:180, killed by a water demon
15:58 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: groovejumper (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1991 points, 2319 turns, killed by a ghoul, while paralyzed by a monster on hardfought
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16:05 <aosdict> "You make a light in the darkness; it doesn't last very long..."
16:05 <aosdict> huh?
16:06 <aosdict> is this a devnull thing?
16:06 <raisse\splat> applied a gray stone to somehting metal
16:06 <raisse\splat> it's a flint stone
16:06 <raisse\splat> yes, it is
16:06 <raisse\splat> related to the grue challenge
16:06 <aosdict> it's just there for flavor?
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16:08 <raisse\splat> basically yes
16:08 <shpingrlde> when the nethack wiki says "d1" as in gnome hit points, does it mean 0-1 or 1-1?
16:09 <raisse\splat> must be 1-1 (so 1) because a gnome with 0 hp would be dead
16:09 <shpingrlde> it's added to your role and con, so 0-1 isn't impossible
16:12 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: tacco (Ran-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1872 points, 2173 turns, killed by a rothe on hdf-eu
16:17 <NotTheOracle\dnt> CHALLENGE IGNORED! Entitas ignored the Dig-Dug challenge.
16:19 <raisse\splat> ooh, here is Rex' ghost
16:20 <aosdict> welp, now I killed my pony trying to get it out of a trap
16:20 <aosdict> seriously, what is the cause of my bad luck with all equines in this game
16:21 <aosdict> another horse... is it worth it?
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16:30 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: tacco (Ran-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1203 points, 1490 turns, killed by a giant bat on hdf-eu
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16:33 * aosdict finds a knight corpse named Luxidream
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16:44 <spontiff> Orctown can die in a fire.
16:44 <spontiff> Definitely my least fave change of 36
16:46 <Bugpowder> hahahah
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16:54 <jonadab> aosdict: In my experience, herbivore pets are too much of a pain to keep alive, I never bother with them.
16:56 <aosdict> jonadab: Oh, they're not starving to death. They're dying to monsters they probably shouldn't be fighting if their HP is that low.
16:57 <jonadab> They do that too, of course. 
16:57 * aosdict retroactively remembers that the priest knows the healing spell
16:58 <aosdict> oh well... I got a horse to the jewelry shop I want to rob. Good enough.
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17:18 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Entitas (Mon-Hum-Fem-Neu), 149703 points, 23561 turns, killed by a death ray, while helpless on hardfought
17:20 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: micromoog (Mon-Hum-Fem-Neu), 618 points, 1664 turns, killed by a wand on hardfought
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17:25 <aosdict> nice! successfully stole every single ring in this 13x3 shop
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17:27 <jonadab> Are any of them any good, for more than polyfodder?
17:27 <aosdict> jonadab: a surprisingly wide variety
17:27 <aosdict> all of the 300 rings, most if not all of the 200s
17:28 <jonadab> Oh, nice.
17:29 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: spontiff (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 384 points, 7414 turns, killed by a hill orc, while praying on hdf-eu
17:29 <aosdict> and the ring of regen my former cat stole
17:29 <aosdict> which helped me fend off team a earlier
17:32 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: spontiff (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 78 points, 311 turns, killed by overexertion on hdf-eu
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17:42 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: eitbo (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2907 points, 4192 turns, killed by a rabid rat on hardfought
17:43 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: deki (Bar-Hum-Mal-Cha), 19859 points, 7296 turns, killed by a soldier ant on hdf-eu
17:44 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: spontiff (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1691 points, 1396 turns, killed by a water moccasin on hdf-eu
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17:45 <NotTheOracle\dnt> CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! spontiff accepted the ZAPM challenge.
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17:46 <Bugpowder> that was a mistake
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18:02 <NotTheOracle\dnt> ZAPM: spontiff the Q/A Tester Killed by a crite in the space base at depth 6. [7131 points]
18:05 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: flump (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 160 points, 624 turns, killed by a boulder on hdf-eu
18:12 <NotTheOracle\dnt> CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! flump accepted the Pool challenge.
18:14 <K2> FIQhack updated
18:29 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: k2 (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 493 points, 699 turns, eaten by a Grue on hdf-au
18:31 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: davez (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 862158 points, 34635 turns, petrified by an ogre king, while getting stoned on hdf-eu
18:31 <Bugpowder> ouch
18:33 <dave____> It was supposed to be sleeping
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18:42 <Beholder> [4k] sullysully (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 15279 points, T:7922, killed by a soldier ant
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18:44 <StatueSurfer> hey all
18:44 <Beholder> StatueSurfer: Message from aosdict at 2017-11-07 08:29 EST: I'd really recommend you use Linux in some way to try compiling NetHack. Whether that's Windows Subsystem for Linux, or a VM, or whatever. As you can see, most people can't help you with Windows-specific errors.
18:45 <K2> hiya
18:45 <StatueSurfer> i'll just bug paxed one of these times in the other channel
18:45 <K2> :/
18:46 <K2> i remember compiling 3.4.3 on win32 and ms-dos. over 10 years ago
18:46 <K2> it was much simpler doing it in dos
18:46 <StatueSurfer> i'll bet
18:46 <K2> in fact...
18:47 <K2> https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6379&sid=24d72605d607414901f4fb1cc083baa8
18:47 <K2> eww. i need to fix the background color for file container
18:48 <K2> how'd i miss that? 
18:51 <K2> 58 games away from 3000 total first week
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18:52 <K2> Grasshopper congrats on your recent ascension!
18:52 <K2> !lotg
18:52 <Beholder> May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, K2!
18:52 <K2> !lotg Grasshopper
18:52 <Beholder> May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, Grasshopper!
18:52 <K2> yeah
18:52 <Grasshopper> thanks K2 :D
18:53 <Grasshopper> another day, another gong for TeamSplat!
18:55 <K2> \o/
18:55 <K2> will you try the AU server now?
18:57 <Grasshopper> indeed I am about to!
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19:01 <K2> sweet
19:02 <K2> hi oh6
19:06 <NotTheOracle\dnt> CHALLENGE COMPLETED! Rex completed the Pac-Man challenge.
19:06 <Grasshopper> oh noice K2, au.hardfought.org allows you to automatically copy over your config from hardfought central, if you so choose
19:08 <Grasshopper> pinging around 200ms
19:09 <K2> yes. all the remotes do ;)
19:09 <K2> 200ms vs what for hdf main for you?
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19:19 <Beholder> [4k] sullysully (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1794 points, T:601, quit
19:19 <NotTheOracle\dnt> ZAPM: spontiff the Help Desk Jockey Killed by an alien warrior in the Gamma Caves at depth 11. [16995 points]
19:19 <Beholder> [4k] sullysully (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 150 points, T:20, killed by a goblin
19:20 <Grasshopper> K2: hdf main = around 320ms+ for me usually
19:21 <K2> significant improvement
19:21 <Grasshopper> K2: hdf-au = around 150ms+
19:21 <Grasshopper> atm about 200ms, but still a big improvement
19:21 <K2> i played a game on the au server earlier today
19:21 <K2> i dont see how you guys can stand that kind of lag
19:21 <Grasshopper> hope there are some nice bones available in hdf-au!
19:21 <Grasshopper> K2: the lag enforces a kind-of discipline
19:22 <Grasshopper> where you move and look at your situation before you dive on into another situation
19:22 <shpingrlde> how are you afk for hours?
19:22 <K2> it would disipline me to drink more than i already do
19:22 <K2> shpingrlde ?
19:22 <Grasshopper> yes, drinking in the longer lags is a bad habit of mine
19:23 <shpingrlde> grass has a lot of afk time, that's all
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19:23 <K2> his day job is being a superhero
19:23 <Grasshopper> I usually need at least one stoutly charged glass of scotch to do astral
19:23 <shpingrlde> wondered why it doesn't log him out
19:23 <ais523> Beholder: messages?
19:23 <K2> he frequently has to fly back and forth saving ppl during games
19:24 <K2> heya ais523
19:24 <ais523> hi
19:24 <Beholder> Hello ais523, Welcome to #hardfought
19:24 <Grasshopper> shpingrlde, I am also an "extreme Nethacker" - which means I play nethack in crazily precarious situations, sometimes involving personal danger
19:24 <K2> wow no messages today
19:24 <shpingrlde> hello ais523 
19:24 <Grasshopper> shpingrlde, don't try this at home...
19:24 <ais523> K2: I've been coming online a bit more often than before
19:24 <ais523> and the tournament is pushing out some of the game design talk, people are playing rather than designing
19:25 <Tarmunora_> !who
19:25 <Beholder> Tarmunora_: Rx [nd] qp [dn36] k2 [dn36] thisisdeuce [dn36] Wolfechu [dn36] Luxidream [dn36] Skeral [dn36] Webmant [dn36] Eleven [dn36] eitkrog [dn36] hothraxxa [dn36] sullysully [4k] antalsz [gh] 
19:26 <K2> lucky 13
19:27 <K2> ais523: have you had a chance to play any recently? in the tournament or just a regular game?
19:27 <ais523> K2: I haven't played NetHack recently, apart from a couple of games running around Dungeons:1 and Dungeons:2 to make sure I hadn't broken anything with a change to vanlila
19:28 * K2 nods
19:28 <ais523> when I have time for NetHack I typically prefer to use it on improving the game than on playing it
19:28 <K2> i hope you get a chance to actually relax and get some quality time playing a regular game
19:28 <ais523> especially because most devteam members are inactive
19:28 <ais523> it's just me, PatR and paxed most of the time
19:28 <K2> ah
19:28 <K2> not bhaak?
19:28 <ais523> and I haven't done all that much code-wise
19:29 <Beholder> [gh] antalsz (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 223 points, T:459, killed by a jackal
19:29 <ais523> K2: he hasn't committed or posted to the devteam list in ages
19:29 <K2> :/
19:29 <ais523> maybe he's working on something huge privately, but who knows
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19:30 <K2> i have found (not surprisingly) that I play less now as a server admin than before as a regular player
19:31 <ais523> the general devteam structure involves small commits (which become part of the mainline and public a few hours after being made), plus much larger projects (which often aren't visible at all while in an unfinished state; paxed is an exception, when he's doing a large project he normally shows interim progress to the rest of the devteam)
19:31 <K2> new job I started recently hasnt helped either in regards to free time to play
19:31 <ais523> right, well my job certainly takes up a lot of time!
19:31 <ais523> which is the way it should be, NetHack can wait more or less indefinitely, being able to eat can't really
19:32 <K2> luckily my new job doesnt follow me home, but the old job (rotating shift work) allowed me to play/do admin stuff when it was slow
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19:42 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: qp (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 770 points, 1814 turns, killed by a bugbear on hardfought
19:44 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 25900 points, 11393 turns, killed by a giant mummy on hdf-eu
19:44 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: qp (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 88 points, 134 turns, killed by a water demon on hardfought
19:45 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: qp (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 51 points, 93 turns, killed by a goblin on hardfought
19:47 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: qp (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 50 points, 127 turns, killed by a jackal on hardfought
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19:55 <Beholder> [4k] sullysully (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4566 points, T:1504, killed by a water demon
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19:56 <NotTheOracle\dnt> CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Grasshopper accepted the Grue challenge.
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19:56 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Wolfechu (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 1115341 points, 42091 turns, killed by a priestess of Brigit (with the Amulet) on hardfought
19:58 <NotTheOracle\dnt> TROPHY: Wolfechu just earned the Platinum Star
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20:06 <Bugpowder> OUCH
20:07 <Tarmunora_> !who
20:07 <Beholder> Tarmunora_: Rx [nd] Leggman [dn36] eitbo [dn36] qp [dn36] Entitas [dn36] Luxidream [dn36] Webmant [dn36] Eleven [dn36] Skeral [dn36] hothraxxa [dn36] sullysully [4k] 
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20:14 <Beholder> [4k] sullysully (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 10317 points, T:2717, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted water moccasin
20:17 <Grasshopper> bloody monkeys in monkeytown
20:18 <aosdict> monkeys are one of the monsters that can generate peaceful when you're neutral, right?
20:19 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1319 points, 2274 turns, killed by a kitten, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hdf-eu
20:24 <shpingrlde> y.
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20:29 <Grasshopper> aosdict, yes - but I'm lawful
20:29 <Grasshopper> so they love stealing my longsword etc
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20:30 <Eleven> I'm trying to figure out teleport control. my understanding is that ^T is the key combo for teleport control but when I do that using hterm, a new tab opens on my browser.
20:31 <ais523> Eleven: the issue here is that the input is actually control-T but hterm can't see the combination because the browser is intercepting it
20:31 <ais523> I'm not sure if there's some way to stop the browser intercepting it, my first guess would be control-shift-T
20:33 <Eleven> That was my (second) guess too, and it opens up a new crosh> term window (I'm on a Chrome book). I'm thinking of trying to SSH in but since my SSH will be in a crosh> term window I'm doubtful. Also, when I was SSHing in earlier today I couldn't login. I'll try again now.
20:33 <shpingrlde> https://www.rarst.net/software/dedicated-web-app-window/ ctrl t won't do anything if you run your hterm in an app window
20:34 <Eleven> Thanks. I'll try SSH now.
20:34 <shpingrlde> mobaxterm on windows is reportedly good or at least less-bad than putty. and of course on anything else you can just use a normal term
20:34 <shpingrlde> cool
20:34 <aosdict> 3.6.1 with its #teleport command can't come fast enough
20:35 <shpingrlde> devnull, like junethack, is really good at inspiring love for non-3.6.0
20:36 <ais523> shpingrlde: is that a veiled attack on 3.6.0? :-)
20:36 <Eleven> I just tried SSH again on nethack@hardfought.org, and although I can connect, and the server info and games in progress options work, the login and register options do not work for me. Is this a problem for anyone else?
20:37 <shpingrlde> deeply veiled!
20:38 <aosdict> ais523: it's pretty safe to say that 3.6.0 is the least popular out of it and the two versions surrounding it
20:38 <ais523> aosdict: yes, I personally don't like 3.6.0 much
20:38 <ais523> however, if there's something in it that I find completely unacceptable I can just change it for 3.6.1
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20:49 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: jonathanhanes (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1820 points, 2570 turns, killed by an ape on hardfought
20:50 <Eleven> ssh-ing from a crosh terminal window using ctrl+alt+shift+t works
20:50 <NotTheOracle\dnt> CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! davez accepted the Waldo challenge.
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20:51 <K2> going to get caught up on some sleep. gnite all and good games
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20:53 <rikersan> !race dnh
20:53 <Beholder> rikersan: clockwork automaton
20:53 <rikersan> !race dnh
20:53 <Beholder> rikersan: orc
20:53 <rikersan> !rng clck | orc
20:53 <Beholder> rikersan: orc
20:55 <Beholder> [dnh] rikersan (Bin Orc Mal Non), 12 points, T:233, killed by a newt
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20:59 <Beholder> [dnh] rikersan (Bin Orc Mal Non), 76 points, T:852, killed by a little dog
20:59 <rikersan> !race dnh
20:59 <Beholder> rikersan: elf
20:59 <rikersan> !race dnh
20:59 <Beholder> rikersan: yuki-onna
20:59 <Beholder> [nd] Rx (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 40714 points, T:25368, killed by a fire ant, while sleeping off a magical draught
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21:01 <Beholder> [dnh] rikersan (Ana Elf Mal Cha), 70 points, T:112, killed by a succubus
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21:06 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Wolfechu (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 344 points, 754 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt on hardfought
21:06 <rikersan> YANI: kicking containers has a strength - dex chance to break stuff inside
21:07 <rikersan> i.e. higher strength is likelier chance, but higher dex also lowers chance to break stuff
21:08 <aosdict> hmm
21:18 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: davez (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 8771 points, 3717 turns, killed by a giant mimic on hdf-eu
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21:25 <NotTheOracle\dnt> ASCENDED: Luxidream (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 1871552 points, 41763 turns, ascended on hardfought
21:25 <NotTheOracle\dnt> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dn36/dumplog/1510084774.dn36.txt
21:25 <rikersan> congrats luxidream
21:26 <NotTheOracle\dnt> TROPHY: Luxidream now holds the Highest Scored Archeologist
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21:30 <NotTheOracle\dnt> CHALLENGE COMPLETED! davez completed the Waldo challenge.
21:31 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: flump (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 1567 points, 2250 turns, poisoned by a rabid rat on hdf-eu
21:32 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 4463 points, 4797 turns, killed by a soldier ant on hdf-eu
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21:33 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 0 points, 2 turns, eaten by a Grue on hdf-eu
21:40 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Entitas (Ran-Hum-Fem-Neu), 12132 points, 7061 turns, killed by a gargoyle on hardfought
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21:56 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Qwesti (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 20 points, 57 turns, killed by a water moccasin on hardfought
21:57 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1892 points, 2167 turns, killed by a giant rat, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hdf-eu
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22:06 <shpingrlde> Mandevil\splat: in 2012, berry had 13 wins and 13 games. but the streak was only 7 games long. was that due to bouncing around on different servers?
22:13 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Entitas (Bar-Hum-Fem-Neu), 5458 points, 3232 turns, petrified by touching chickatrice corpses bare-handed on hardfought
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22:22 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: davez (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 12157 points, 5248 turns, killed by a troll on hdf-eu
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22:32 <Luxidream> I think the best of 13 counter is wrong?
22:32 <Luxidream> has me at 7, when I should be at 6
22:33 <Luxidream> it's correct over on gunyoki.net
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22:57 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Eleven (Mon-Hum-Fem-Neu), 17233 points, 21382 turns, killed by a mumak on hardfought
23:05 <Beholder> [4k] sullysully (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 13740 points, T:4686, killed by a rope golem
23:10 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Qwesti (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 678 points, 1411 turns, killed by a priestess of Blind Io on hardfought
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23:15 <Beholder> [4k] sullysully (Pri Dwa Mal Law), 2199 points, T:1497, quit
23:19 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Qwesti (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 388 points, 747 turns, eaten by a Grue on hardfought
23:19 <NotTheOracle\dnt> ASCENDED: hothraxxa (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 2330446 points, 41293 turns, ascended on hardfought
23:19 <NotTheOracle\dnt> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/h/hothraxxa/dn36/dumplog/1509890381.dn36.txt
23:21 <NotTheOracle\dnt> TROPHY: hothraxxa just earned the Birdie (with bells on!) and Birdie
23:24 <Beholder> [4k] sullysully (Pri Dwa Mal Law), 2973 points, T:1526, quit
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23:52 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: Skeral (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1541402 points, 62044 turns, killed by the high priestess of Odin (with the Amulet) on hardfought
23:53 <NotTheOracle\dnt> TROPHY: Skeral just earned the Platinum Star
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23:55 <Grassy> wooot! pinging au.hardfought.org at 142ms
23:56 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: fatty (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1420 points, 2656 turns, killed by a rock mole on hardfought
23:57 <NotTheOracle\dnt> DIED: thisisdeuce (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 1100 points, 30566 turns, killed by a jaguar, while praying on hardfought
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23:58 <NotTheOracle\dnt> TROPHY: thisisdeuce just earned the Lead Star