00:31 [un] sullysully (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2989 points, T:6550, killed by a giant ant, while disrobing 00:57 aos: not hard if xlogfile is tracking 00:57 dtype: Message from K2 at 2017-10-22 17:58 EDT: thanks for the feedback. I think I'm going to go with a t2.medium just to make sure I have more than enough ram (4GB vs 2GB) and the extra cpu 00:57 guess has been awhile since I said hi in here 01:04 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry for my connection] 01:12 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:14 -!- bug_sniper__ is now known as bug_sniper 01:26 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 02:21 K2: idletimer doesn't work if the player is idling in the dgl menu 02:29 FIQ: I noticed that as well. 02:29 I think there's a separate dgl setting for it. 02:34 -!- bug_sniper has left #hardfought 02:34 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 02:39 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 02:43 hmm I should see if I get unix daemons from lawyer summoning in the mainframe 02:43 that would make this ordeal much faster 02:43 . 02:43 LarienTelrunya: Message from aosdict at 2017-10-28 08:24 EDT: are there any plant-based monsters, or any monsters, in slex which are basically impervious to being shot full of arrows or other piercing attacks? 02:44 !tell aosdict recent versions of slex made ghosts almost immune to ranged attacks, since they'll "harmlessly pass through their unsolid body" about 80% of the time 02:44 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:47 LarienTelrunya: I've reached a point in zapm where I'm basically immortal 02:48 also my last game was a win 02:48 nice! 02:48 so once I decide to end this 02:48 I have a streak 02:48 which is nice 02:49 does ZAPM not have extinction? i.e. will monsters continue to spawn at all times? 02:50 doesn't seem to have extinction 02:50 I guess you could say that it has a borg clock, but that's really only relevant in space bace 02:50 since they don't spawn in gamma caves 02:51 *base 02:51 EPI: the wizard of yendor should steal dragon armor, cloaks of magic resistance, boots of speed, and all other ascension kit items too, and not just quest artifacts 02:52 FIQ: borg clock? is that something like an archonstorm? 02:52 well like 02:52 each new borg 02:53 has an ac bonus depending on how many earlier borgs you killed 02:53 so eventually they'd be impossible to hit 02:53 but I thought zapm monsters all spawn when you enter the level 02:53 ah, something like the uberjackal effect, except for AC instead of HP/damage 02:53 thy also spawn randomly 02:53 very, very slowly 02:54 LarienTelrunya: more or less 02:54 @le?uberjackal 02:54 uberjackal ~3~ werejackal (d) | Lvl: 2 | Diff: 4 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 10 | Generates: special | AC: 7 | Attacks: 1d4 bite lycanthropy | Alignment: -7 | Flags: carnivore, regenerates, poisonous, nopoly, infravisible 02:54 bug_sniper: unfortunately, unix daemons does NOT spawn randomly 02:54 I guess it's an adom thing 02:54 so the easiest source of xp is out 02:54 yeah 02:55 bug_sniper: are shield belts insane in PRIME too? 02:55 in this game, even before farming, I found 4 power plants 02:55 lol 02:55 so with a shield belt 02:55 I'm basically completely immune to all ranged attacks 02:57 LarienTelrunya: also zapm has this weird bug 02:57 where maintainin mutant powers 02:57 would allow you to gain charisma with restoration 02:58 (basically restore ability) 02:58 up to the 25 cap 02:58 I don'tk now 02:58 FIQ: and I guess that's useful? "charisma" is the spellcasting stat, right? 02:59 yeah 02:59 it's basically Pw 02:59 does it also increase the Pw regeneration rate? i.e. does it mean at 25 charisma you can cast non-stop? 03:05 no 03:05 charisma *is* pw 03:05 casting drains charisma 03:05 (temporarily) 03:05 huh, really? how much does a spell cost? 03:06 that would mean if a spell costs 5 charisma to cast, you can only cast it 5 times until you have to wait! 03:07 they cost 1-5 03:08 http://sprunge.us/GadZ 03:09 can teleport reach 100% success? 03:09 yes 03:09 if I don't maintain the 4 spells I have maintained 03:09 it will be 100% 03:10 also I have a +5 psionic amplifier 03:10 without it, teleport is 70% 03:10 if I had an energy dome as helmet instead of the space helmet I use 03:10 it would also be 100% 03:10 (or 90% if I also removed the psionic amplifier) 03:11 there's 2 spells missing from that list 03:11 regeneration (level 1 IIRC) and optic blast (level 2) 03:11 other than that I think I have them all 03:11 ah, so "maintaining" spells reduces the success chance of others? 03:12 it reduces your cha while maintained 03:12 apparently in a way that confuses restore ability, but yeah 03:12 (restoration) 03:22 -!- vxmlvmpmgf has joined #hardfought 03:22 -!- vxmlvmpmgf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:35 -!- khoR has joined #hardfought 03:45 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:58 Hello from the independent republic of my office. 03:58 khoR: Message from aosdict at 2017-10-27 11:28 EDT: stay safe 03:58 Aww <3 04:04 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 04:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 04:58 DIED: Mandevil (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 161 points, 433 turns, killed by a grid bug on hdf-eu 05:14 ESCAPED: khamul (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Neu), 15037 points, 4857 turns, escaped on hardfought 05:28 TROPHY: bebing now holds the Highest Scored Rogue 05:28 TROPHY: Luxidream now holds the Highest Scored Priest 05:28 TROPHY: RyanDorkoski now holds the Highest Scored Valkyrie 05:28 TROPHY: k2 now holds the Highest Scored Archeologist 05:28 TROPHY: telegarn now holds the Highest Scored Caveman 05:28 TROPHY: khamul now holds the Highest Scored Wizard 05:28 TROPHY: bouquet now holds the Highest Scored Archeologist 05:28 TROPHY: elenmirie now holds the Highest Scored Priest 05:28 TROPHY: stenno now holds the Highest Scored Valkyrie 05:28 TROPHY: Tangles now holds the Highest Scored Caveman and Highest Scored Rogue 05:28 TROPHY: nht now holds the Highest Scored Wizard 05:28 TROPHY: bouquet just earned the Lead Star 05:28 TROPHY: Tangles just earned the Lead Star 05:28 -!- Guest88241 has quit [Changing host] 05:28 -!- Guest88241 has joined #hardfought 05:29 -!- Guest88241 is now known as stenno 05:29 so many trophies 05:30 all shall have prizes! 05:32 that seems... not right. 05:33 like it reported a bunch of old ones for some reason 05:41 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 05:46 yeah 05:47 ey Tangles do you think that the AC that waldos armor gives is correct? 05:47 -!- Webmant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:47 because i don't think so 05:47 because it is by far the best armor in the game 05:51 stenno: I thought that was fixed in like 2014. 05:52 It *should* give no AC bonus at all. 05:53 If it's back to giving 10 points of AC, then I guess I've somehow regressed that bug when I ported the code to 3.6. 05:53 10 AC base? 05:53 O_O 05:55 yeah, internally armor AC benefit is defined as 10 - bonus 05:55 so if you want the armor to give no benefit, you input 10 05:55 krystal didn't realize this 05:55 khoR: Yes. It was a coding error with the initial waldo patch. In the code, an item's AC is "what your AC would be set to if you wore this item and nothing else". 05:55 what FIQ said. 05:56 so devnull used to have some armor that gave 10 AC 05:56 putting your AC to 0 if that was your only armor 05:56 because devnull authors figured "0 ac = no bonus" 05:57 this system is arguably even worse than the whole AC thing in first place 05:58 by some miracle, i still have power and internet 05:58 That sounds awfully... 05:58 I can't figure out the word 05:58 unintuitive 05:58 ! 05:58 brb 05:58 Yes, it is 05:59 khoR: how about "ass backwards" 05:59 What's the benefit of having it this way? 05:59 !lastgame NeroOneTrueKing 05:59 FIQ: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/N/NeroOneTrueKing/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-10-29%2003%3A33%3A12%2C%20NeroOneTrueKing-Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu%2C%20died.txt 05:59 ouch 05:59 !tell aosdict you know what would be great? having your levels in .des format (or in an actual patch on github) :D 05:59 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 06:00 being killed by death rays is always no fun 06:00 khoR: Ask devteam 06:03 khoR: there was probably a point in distant history where it made sense. 06:04 Tangles: it never made sense in 1.3d either 06:06 7 trees down in my front yard including 3 blocking my driveway 06:06 checking backyard now ;) 06:06 FIQ: Did you change archond dying to death wands or are you gonna leave it like that? 06:07 I forgot 06:07 Tangles: so, is it fixed now or not? :P 06:14 stenno: Well, it was fixed 3 years ago... and I had no reason until now to believe any different. So thanks for that. 06:15 K2: eep! 06:15 oh i wasn't really aware that it ws fixed 06:15 I'm now building the code with wizmode enabled so I can check more easily, 06:15 fixed three years ago already 06:15 isn't it in obj.c somewhere? 06:16 stenno: I think the first time I played devnull was 2013, and it was broken then, but my recollection is it was fixed the year after. 06:17 but I was pretty clueless when I ported the code, and I kind of remember all the macros that define the armor being tricky... 06:18 so a wiztest would not hurt. 06:18 Did anyone who's been testing try on the bobble hat or the sweater? 06:18 I did... I didn't get any AC 06:19 ah well then 06:19 I don't know if there's a distinction between waldo's gear and the decoy's ... 06:19 this was decoy waldo gear 06:20 I'll try it again if I get a chance... I'm still looking for the little buzzard. 06:21 nah its there in the patch 06:21 i found it already 06:21 sweater and bobbled hat give 0 ac 06:22 thats the 0.1.9 patch 06:23 !tell K2 pushed fixes 06:23 Will do, FIQ! 06:23 Tangles: is the source code for all the various devnull challenges publicly available? 06:23 LarienTelrunya: Yes 06:23 the original patches to 3.4.3 are still on the old devnull site. 06:23 great! maybe I want to implement some of it in slex :D 06:23 ....which will probably disappear at some point. 06:24 http://nethack.devnull.net/software/nethack-0.1.9.diff 06:24 thanks stenno. 06:24 was just looking for that. 06:25 ah cool, thanks :) 06:25 sorry for the hassle, it shows that i am really out of the loop regarding devnull and nethack 06:25 all good stenno! 06:25 v_v" 06:26 rip dragonhide waldo armor 06:26 hope to see a good speedrun from you in the tourney ;) 06:26 yeah i have a sexy ping to the eu server 06:26 i could try something 06:26 hmm. Is the joust challenge not in there? 06:26 stenno: what is the ping? 06:26 30ms 06:26 LarienTelrunya: the 3.6.0 code we are running in the tournament is here https://github.com/NHTangles/NetHack36/tree/devnull_hdf 06:27 --- eu.hardfought.org ping statistics --- 06:27 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3005ms 06:27 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 32.832/33.236/34.366/0.689 ms 06:27 similar 06:27 LarienTelrunya: I think 0.1.9 was the latest patch, so it should be in there. 06:27 Tangles: ah, it's there, thanks :) 06:27 ok mine iz more like 40 06:27 but its good enough 06:27 round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 35.435/39.279/46.975/4.513 ms 06:28 specifically, I want to implement the monst.c additions, because slex's monst.c ain't big enough :D 06:28 heh 06:28 2h30 is possible but difficult 06:28 hope i can do sub 3h 06:32 trees down in backyard but by some stroke of luck, my fence is still intact 06:32 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-10-30 06:23 EDT: pushed fixes 06:32 did you have a hurricane too? 06:32 we had one here last night 06:32 remnants of a tropical storm made its way up the state 06:33 its still passing through but the strongest winds hit around 2am EST 06:33 thats probably the one that hit japan two days ago? 06:33 attie talked about it 06:33 school is closed across a lot of the state due to power outages and trees blocking roads/highways 06:33 stenno: i'm US east coast, so different storm 06:34 ah east coast, ok 06:34 how i still have power and internet is beyond me 06:34 the nethack gods protected you 06:34 but not your trees 06:34 they DID 06:34 thank you crom!! 06:34 :) 06:34 :P 06:35 i'll take pics later when the sun comes up 06:35 poll: porridge warm or cold? 06:35 warm 06:35 my neighbor texted me, he has at least a dozen trees down across his driveway 06:35 cold 06:35 and 9 days old 06:35 mp 06:35 uh 06:35 wow, that's quite a storm 06:36 well, the trees here are mostly canadian pine - roots spread out more thean go down 06:36 oh, so they tend to fall over 06:36 lots of rock/ledge here, trees dont have much choice 06:36 yes 06:36 gusts topped 70mph 06:37 some of the trees down in my front yard snapped about 10-15 ft up 06:37 others, roots came out and all 06:37 DIED: blackshift (Pri-Hum-Mal-Law), 175 points, 167 turns, killed by a newt on hardfought 06:38 that's about what we had a couple of weeks ago... we had some trees down but not what you're talking about 06:38 as soon as the sun comes up i will go out and start cutting trees. ugh 06:38 I guess that's because of the rocky terrain where you are 06:38 yeah we've had this happen before 06:38 but last nights storm was stronger than what I can remember 06:39 and it's still passing through with lots of wind, just not as bad now 06:39 wow K2 that sounds savage. 06:39 !time 06:39 Tangles: Mon Oct 30 06:39:25 2017 EDT 06:39 weather will be nice for start of tournament <---- all that matters 06:39 :D 06:39 lol 06:39 probably the kind of tournament where weather matters least. 06:40 it would matter if K2 had a power outage! 06:40 I find it impossible to concentrate on work lately. I'm just so... Uninterested. 06:40 khoR play more nethack 06:41 elenmirie: we've been talking about getting a power generator for the house. need to make that happen 06:41 yes, the server must be protected! 06:42 I'm trying to get a bit more work done before attempting pacifist and getting mad at FIQ again. 06:43 :) 06:44 elenmirie: I have a giant UPS that will keep the server and router up for a few hours if we lose power 06:44 but i want a generator :P 06:44 oh AND 06:44 after the tourney when I setup the EU server 06:45 global redundancy muahahaha 06:47 FIQhack updated 06:47 ^ FIQ 06:48 K2: EU server :3 06:48 yes! 06:48 yeah its going to happen 06:49 after the tournament is over, i'll basically mirror hdf-main to the eu instance 06:50 i will probably need to upgrade the cpu/memory on it, need to find out if i can do that without losing everything already installed on it 06:50 there's an annoying save bug that pertains to there being exactly 72 properties previously 06:51 K2: EU server :3 06:53 :D 07:07 DIED: khamul (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 1831 points, 2942 turns, killed by a gnome king on hardfought 07:21 uh 07:21 this makes no sense 07:21 this write doesn't seem to have any effect at all 07:47 DIED: khamul (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 1202 points, 2106 turns, killed by a straw golem on hardfought 07:51 FIQ: wtf, is it true that > and < in fiqhack now make you run all the way through monster-filled hallways if the stair is visible, without a confirmation? if yes: can that be turned off? 07:54 No 07:54 its not true 07:54 > is the same as _ (the travel comand) 07:55 >* 07:55 wat 07:55 why is that showing like a white square 07:55 anyway, it just tells you 07:55 "where do you want to travel to?" 07:55 Only it sets cursor to stairs instead of your character. 07:55 Which is awesome and a feature I love. Since I travel all the time. 07:58 ah, good 07:58 I had already feared it was like autoexplore in DCSS :P 07:59 -!- geoffspear has left #hardfought 08:06 Evil Patch Idea: when using travel, the Esc key picks a random destination, confirms, and disables interruptions so you won't stop on the way there due to minor things like monsters attacking you. 08:07 Related EPI: travel automatically unequips armor and drops items, if necessary, so that you can squeeze through narrow places. 08:08 There are artifacts in slex that disable interruptions upon being attacked by a monster; needless to say, using them is rather dangerous :) 08:08 Yes, slex is usually a step ahead of the EPI list. 08:09 you should play it to see what all those wonderful EPIs we're coming up with actually do in-game ;) 08:09 I'll take that under advisement. 08:10 However, I probably don't have very much play time in the next month due to NaTiDraMo. 08:10 but it's devnull! even I will probably play at least a little bit ;) 08:10 I am skipping devnull to do NaTiDraMo instead. 08:10 skipping devnul???? 08:11 the final (maybe) devnull? 08:11 Grasshopper: skipping devnull is a bit of a personal tradition with me. 08:11 also, why does fourk need so many tiles? it only adds a couple new monsters and maybe an object or two! 08:11 I believe in breaking the rules 08:11 LarienTelrunya: Oh, I finished slashem-32. 08:11 LarienTelrunya: What I'm trying to do now is an entirely new tileset from scratch. 08:11 oh... that sounds like a lot of work 08:11 A bit, a bit. 08:12 jonadab, this may be the last time you can skip devnull, unless you show suppoirt by participating 08:12 * LarienTelrunya can't draw worth shit 08:12 I estimate that if I average 30 tiles a day, I can just about make it. 08:12 I wouldn't be able to do 30 tiles a day, or 30 tiles a week for that matter, if I were trying to do a set like slashem-32. 08:13 But FMOB has constraints that make the tiles easier to draw. 08:13 (It uses only one foreground color per tile.) 08:13 (Not counting black, which is always allowed.) 08:13 sounds reasonable 08:14 I've started already, you can see what I currently have here: http://jonadab.jumpingcrab.com/pastebin/916.png 08:14 the weapon tiles look kinda cute :) 08:14 I need to redo the water and lava. They're lopsided. 08:15 looks good 08:15 some of your hafts could be shorter 08:16 then the blades/nasty bits can be bigger 08:16 You mean like on the spears? 08:16 don't need to shoe the entire length 08:16 show 08:16 Ah. 08:16 So on the polearms then? 08:16 just the pointy,stabby,slashy,bumpy bits 08:16 yes 08:16 for polearms especially 08:17 swords/daggers etc need a hilt/guard to define themelves 08:17 themselves 08:17 Yeah. 08:17 but polearms/spears etc don't 08:20 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 08:20 probably also suggest a "lip" for your beakers/jugs/potions etc to define a top 08:21 most (not all) lab beakers etc come like that 08:21 -!- HTTPS has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:22 hmm, so like an extra pixel of width sticking out at the top? 08:22 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 08:22 yeah, pretty much just like that 08:22 * jonadab makes notes. 08:23 !tell K2 pushed a revert 08:23 Will do, FIQ! 08:24 !tell ais523 how do I debug save writing? I'm encountering a bug I can't make any sense of 08:24 Will do, FIQ! 08:26 so apparently 08:26 -!- HTTPS has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:27 if an old save have a different (trinsics-1)/8 from the current 08:27 the save will refuse to load 08:27 the obvious suspect was my way of handling fromoutside which take up 1 bit per property rather than 8 and thus doing byte trickery 08:27 however 08:27 commenting this out completely 08:27 doesn't remove the issue 08:27 which makes no sense 08:28 Isn't there a sanity check on the number of properties? 08:28 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 08:28 jonadab: why would said sanity check care only about multiplies of 8? 08:28 Oh, hmm, good point. 08:28 oh... 08:29 I might have foudn it 08:29 * FIQ points at ais523 code, and curses 08:29 libnethack/include/you.h 08:29 129: uchar ever_extrinsic[(LAST_PROP + 7) / 8]; 08:29 130: uchar ever_intrinsic[(LAST_PROP + 7) / 8]; 08:29 131: uchar ever_temporary[(LAST_PROP + 7) / 8]; 08:29 Ah. 08:31 -!- Webmant has joined #hardfought 08:33 -!- HTTPS has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:33 LarienTelrunya: Writing about the levels is easy, designing maps is harder, writing des files is not harder but more tedious. Not to mention I want more feedback before moving forward with stuff. 08:34 FIQ: The 10-AC thing is annoying enough that I might just go through objects.c redefining everything, as another patch. 08:34 aos: ah; well your maps are looking nice, so I might want to implement them in slex :D 08:35 LarienTelrunya: also, implementing proper new filler algorithms (and possibly needing to extend des files so they can take parameters) is harder than creating des files. 08:35 aos: LarienTelrunya loves .des files. If you design a new algorithm for generating levels, she will ask you to make .des files of it. 08:38 !tell K2 pushed fixes 08:38 Will do, FIQ! 08:39 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 08:46 DIED: khamul (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 1422 points, 2373 turns, killed by a killer bee on hardfought 09:27 jonadab: Where was your "how to build on windows" guide? 09:30 found it 09:34 [un] sullysully (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 168 points, T:775, killed by a grid bug 09:40 -!- HTTPS has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:40 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 09:40 [un] sullysully (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 246 points, T:1169, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 09:41 -!- HTTPS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:41 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 09:46 [dnh] rikersan (Pri Inc Mal Cha), 675 points, T:420, killed by a water moccasin 09:47 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:48 ... 09:48 $-32301 09:48 why 09:49 [un] sullysully (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 40 points, T:130, fell into a pit 09:57 [nd] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:806 09:59 [un] sullysully (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 1261 points, T:1157, quit 10:02 [un] sullysully (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 160 points, T:275, killed by a jackal 10:15 -!- HTTPS has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:17 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 10:17 -!- HTTPS has quit [Client Quit] 10:19 I wonder how it would change balance if many of the ray attacks used by monsters got changed to beams instead. 10:20 I think a few variants toy with that? 10:24 aos: Or if breath had a short range (maybe 3 tiles) but fanned out, could hit multiple opponents, and didn't reflect? 10:25 Also possible. 10:27 I'm just coming to terms with the fact that a fire breathing dragon can't burninate you because you're wearing an amulet that's probably no more than a few centimeters wide. 10:28 Or how about that a green dragon's poisonous breath can rebound off a wall and hit a different monster. 10:32 -!- khoR_ has joined #hardfought 10:32 So what I just implemented is a patch that gives you reflection half of the time if you're wielding a mirror, and that got me thinking about reflection. 10:33 -!- KhorZ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39 [nd] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5520 10:55 why am I not dying 10:55 I'm pregnant 10:55 it's a 400-turn instadeath 10:55 it isn't working 10:55 wat 10:55 oh 10:55 zapm 10:56 radiation also seems broken 10:56 I wonder if I overflowed something in my farming, breaking timers 11:02 k2: Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 72ms, Maximum = 1289ms, Average = 697ms 11:02 what's up with that? 11:03 i'm getting erratic laggy response 11:03 run a traceroute 11:03 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-10-30 08:23 EDT: pushed a revert 11:03 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-10-30 08:38 EDT: pushed fixes 11:03 one sec 11:04 we had a bad storm come through here last night, its very possible a hop between us was affected 11:04 surprised i didnt lose power or connectivity to be honest 11:05