tag and it seems to work... wonder if I could convince paxed to update that 16:40 existing scales can just be converted unless for some reason they are worn 16:40 aosdict:

will work, that makes more sense. 16:40 where I guess I can just try to be nice and handle them the same as mail 16:41 Oh, right, existing _worn_ scales would be in the wrong slot. 16:41 [un] sullysully (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 149 points, T:549, poisoned by a rotted fox corpse 16:41 In which case, probably set them to not worn, I guess? 16:41 not optimal 16:41 what if a player is wearing red scales 16:41 sinking into lava 16:41 with no other source of fire res 16:42 That's rather unlikely. 16:42 I think it'd be easier to just be nice 16:42 Grandfather them? 16:42 Convert them to scaled leather? 16:42 I'd like to get rid of current code handling if I can 16:42 yeah I was considering converting all scales and mail to dwarvish mithril coats 16:42 closest in terms of AC 16:42 the only issue is with casters 16:43 Convert them to scaled CPM :-) 16:44 CPM is 500 in fiqhack 16:44 dragon scale mail is 300 16:45 jonadab:

seems to work though I think the per-line divs might need some styling 16:45 . seems a little squashed 16:45 aosdict: Is there an identifiable wrapper (e.g., something with a ttymap class) around them, so the stylesheet can easily pick them out? 16:46 The way I am testing this, I have wrapped it in a

, yes 16:47 It's just setting the margin properly. 16:47 That is the problem. 16:47 And this can be accomplished with a ttyline class or something. 16:49 -!- Jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:51 jonadab: try this https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Phol_ende_wodan/Scratchpad 16:52 [nd] Jendic (Val Hum Mal Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:22877 16:52 [nd] Jendic (Val Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:22879 16:53 -!- Jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 16:53 aosdict: works for me. 16:53 I think I like the 3px margin the best 16:54 anyway, this is not as easy as changing css... would need to ask paxed about it 16:54 jonadab: what about wishing 16:54 [un] sullysully (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1217 points, T:2067, killed by an elf zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 16:55 FIQ: In my implementation, you can wish for scales, but you can't wish for pre-scaled armor. 16:56 that is a rather significant nerf 16:57 this dragon scale change is already a nerf, especially to casters 16:57 would need to make sure that scaled CPM doesn't become the next DSM 16:58 aosdict: CPM is 500wt 16:58 it's *heavy* 16:58 and all the casters wear GoP and take the spellcasting penalty hit because "it's the only way" 16:58 stupid question: does invoking the orb of fate consume a charge? 16:58 No 16:58 yay! 16:58 jonadab: Actually, I'm not even sure where the
s are coming from. 16:58 compare with leather 16:58 So I'm not sure if it's a problem with replacecharsblock. 16:58 leather is 200wt, studded leather 250wt 16:59 also those are pre-halving 16:59 so effective weight is 250, 100 and 125 respectively 16:59 in FIQHack 16:59 aosdict: Could be mediawiki magic? I have no idea. 16:59 CPM is +10AC, with dragon scales attached it'd be 12 17:00 FIQ: you could get a "dragon leather jacket" 17:00 sure 17:00 it'd only give +3AC, but it'd be light :P 17:00 FIQ: You've got the dragon scales adding AC? 17:00 3AC? 17:00 jonadab: that was the idea 17:00 +2AC +property 17:00 FIQ: In the proposal, dragon scales don't provide AC at all, just the properties. 17:01 do you think this is a bad idea? 17:01 ahh 17:01 maybe I shouldn't give AC then 17:01 it does sort of... not completely remove the complete superiority of dragon armor if it adds AC 17:01 I think the main consideration here is wearing them in the cloak slot, balanced against other cloaks. 17:01 aosdict: eh, it'd be superior either way 17:02 aosdict: dragon armor being superior is ok, as long as you have meaningful decisions about what armor to put the scales onto. 17:02 And which color. 17:02 THe which color thing has been addressed in FIQHack somewhat. 17:02 jonadab: have you seen ascension kits in fiqhack 17:02 everyone has their own style :P 17:02 in terms of DSM color 17:02 Good. 17:02 That is a desirable outcome. 17:03 silver and gray still stand out I think, but that might just be because old habits die hard 17:08 Okay, so replacecharsblock by itself does nothing *but* replace chars. 17:08 But when I add rules="ttymap" to it, that's when it adds default nhsyms and
tags. 17:09 Not sure where that code lives though. 17:11 jonadab: ascension colors since junethack 2017: silver, green, red, gray, (no armor), CPM, gray, gray, silver, gray, silver, gray, yellow, black, gray, gray, silver, black 17:12 so gray+silver are still the majority, but I think it's mostly out of habit 17:13 yellow DSM is awesome if you have MR and reflection from something else 17:13 not any shimmering at all, maybe I should give it another property too 17:13 you can just walk through all j 17:14 I know MTF's astral splat was with orange, and KhorZ's priest game uses blue IIRC 17:15 and that's every color except white (which I buffed somewhat recently, so it might change) and shimmering 17:15 I suppose I could give stun res to shimmering since the dragon has stun breath 17:15 -!- Jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:18 What's it currently got? Just displacement? 17:18 yes 17:18 Displacement and stun res seems ok. 17:19 Displacement isn't _that_ powerful, considering things like invisibility can be had intrinsically very easily. 17:19 So adding stun res to it doesn't seem OP to me. 17:19 Compared to what you get from other colors. 17:20 * aosdict grumbles that invisibility shouldn't be available as a permanent intrinsic 17:21 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:21 aosdict: Only as one that times out? I could maybe get behind that if the timeout could be quite long. 17:21 Personally, I find the downsides of invisibility sufficiently annoying that I normally avoid having it permanently. 17:22 I do not like how an intrinsic that can be easily acquired by midgame completely supersedes the effect of displacement and remains powerful through the late game. 17:24 I do think more late-game monsters should have see invisible. 17:25 -!- Jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 17:26 jonadab: do I want to think of the consequence of having a combinatorial explosion in terms of tiles with dragon armor 17:27 FIQ: I'd just treat being scaled as a property. 17:27 there's only like 17:27 If you show that in tiles at all, it'd be a branding. Same as if you have a sword of frost. 17:27 13 armors 17:28 and 10 dragon types 17:28 So only 130 tiles? 17:28 yeah 17:28 simple, right? 17:28 Now you're thinking like the RL-tiles artist. 17:28 -!- Jendic has quit [Quit: *poof*] 17:28 YANI: "combinatorial explosion" <-- new hallucinatory monster 17:28 Heh. 17:28 -!- Jendic has joined #hardfought 17:29 I miscounted 17:29 15 armor types 17:29 jonadab: well at least I didn't make 400 statue tiles ;) 17:30 FIQ: Yeah. 17:30 When I did young, elder, and ancient dragon statues, I did one of each, to use for all the colors. Because the statues don't actually show the color anyway. 17:31 pfffff 17:31 should've made 30 new statues 17:32 Note too that I discovered the RL-tiles statues _are not_ just made by grayscaling the monster tiles. 17:33 yeah 17:33 that would've been easy 17:33 They're flattened more than that. 17:33 Most of them only have three shades. 17:33 3.6.x grayscales monster tiles 17:33 to make statues 17:33 (Not counting the shadow.) 17:33 Sure, but that's the default tileset, i.e., what we know as slashem-16. 17:33 It'd be silly to try to be artistic with statue tiles for that set. 17:34 [un] raelonmasters (Sam Hum Mal Law), 315 points, T:504, killed by a large mimic 17:37 [nd] Jendic (Val Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:23739 17:38 crud, no levitation boots 17:42 jonadab: also this means you can make crocodile boots actually special if you want to 17:42 like an extra AC or whatever 17:46 FIQ: Ah, because you used corpsenm? 17:46 yes 17:46 what else would I use 17:46 Have you made the crocodile-boots code set the corpsenm on them? 17:46 make 150 armor types? 17:46 Heh. 17:46 and no 17:47 but it would be easy to do 17:47 I think my implementation added a field just for this. 17:47 when I need to add corpsenm handling for armor anyway 17:47 Yeah. 17:47 It's an obvious way to do it. 17:47 Now that you've said it. 17:48 Are you going to make dragon scales a single object with the corpsenm field set? 17:48 the cloak? yes 17:48 "scales" 17:48 Ok. 17:48 Makes sense. 17:48 YASI: lizards can also drop scales; but lizard scales aren't useful. 17:50 -!- Tarmumoratorium is now known as Tarmumortem 17:51 [un] raelonmasters (Wiz Vam Mal Cha), 66 points, T:149, killed by Mr. Kyzyl, the shopkeeper 17:53 !who 17:53 Tarmumortem: knavery [nd] Jendic [nd] porkman [dnh] sullysully [un] 17:54 heh I was afraid of that 17:54 e - an uncursed +0 giant ant cloak of magic resistance (being worn) {8} 17:54 if corpsenm doesn't matter, it's set to 0 17:54 not NON_PM 17:55 Jonadab: lizard scales should have AC 1 as body armor (upgradable to AC 3 as lizard scale mail) but protect you from petrification 17:57 Porkman: but a lizard is smaller than a human, I don't think you could make its scales into anything useful 17:57 either way, YANI ^^ 17:57 [nd] knavery (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1989 points, T:2737, quit 18:03 -!- Jendic has quit [Quit: *poof*] 18:07 jonadab: would you say "shimmering dwarvish mithril coat" or "shimmering-scaled dwarvish mithril coat"? 18:09 FIQ: I think for consistency I'd say "shimmering-scaled", but this is arguable. 18:09 Actually, you could go with "shimmering dragon scaled", if you want to just use corpsenm to get the monster name. 18:11 but that would become very wordy 18:11 shimmering dragon-scaled dwarvish mithril coat 18:11 [un] sullysully (Bar Vam Mal Cha), 825 points, T:2224, died of starvation 18:14 Oh, forgot to mention, but being dragon-scaled should make armor fooproof. 18:14 (That doesn't need to be stated; it's implicit.) 18:25 why? 18:26 why can't you have a burnt leather red-scaled armor? 18:27 there 18:27 Why? Because dragon scales are impervious to such damage, so covering your armor with them should logically protect it? 18:27 now you can genesis a "gray-scaled" :P 18:27 (making a gray dragon) 18:27 hooray for more wish/mon-parser-silliness 18:31 -!- NotTheOracle\dnt has joined #hardfought 18:34 n - a cursed -1 gray dragon set of scalesscales. 18:35 [un] sullysully (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:5, killed by a kitten 18:37 [un] sullysully (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 12 points, T:234, killed by a guard, while sleeping 18:41 -!- reapersan has joined #hardfought 18:48 [un] sullysully (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 126 points, T:568, killed by a water moccasin 18:51 [un] sullysully (Val Dwa Fem Law), 216 points, T:252, killed by a goblin 18:52 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 18:54 -!- bouquet has quit [Client Quit] 19:06 @le?source of wrath 19:06 source of wrath (j) | Lvl: 0 | Diff: 1 | Spd: 3 | Res: sleep poison | Confers: sleep poison | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 9 | Attacks: 1d1 engulf wrath | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, amorphous, breathless, mindless, metallivore, vegan 19:06 what's wrath tho 19:06 [un] raelonmasters (Wiz Vam Mal Cha), 178 points, T:1193, killed by a goblin, while fainted from lack of food 19:08 -!- _catalyst_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:11 [un] sullysully (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 576 points, T:281, poisoned by a rotted newt corpse 19:12 [un] raelonmasters (Wiz Vam Mal Cha), 34 points, T:214, killed by a water moccasin 19:12 [slex] rikersan (Tha Ang Mal Neu), 4241 points, T:1175, killed by a crossbow bolt 19:15 [dnh] rikersan (Ana Dwa Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1805 19:15 [un] sullysully (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 233 points, T:668, killed by a sewer rat 19:28 hi 19:28 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 19:28 hah no !tell msgs 19:28 \o/ 19:28 lol 19:29 !players 19:29 K2: rikersan [dnh] raelonmasters [un] 19:29 K2: FIQ told me to tell you "pushed a fix" 19:30 jonadab: posted the College of Archeology, mostly complete except for minor details: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Phol_ende_wodan/LevelsScratchpad 19:31 aosdict: what's green vs white floor? 19:31 a new terrain? 19:31 grass 19:31 snakes can hide in it! 19:31 aosdict: i dont believe you :P 19:34 [un] raelonmasters (Wiz Vam Mal Cha), 237 points, T:1185, killed by a hobbit, while fainted from lack of food 19:34 aosdict: I did? 19:34 K2: Might as well update, just in case ;) 19:34 but I think server is up to date 19:35 !whereis rikersan 19:35 Tarmumortem: rikersan [dnh]: (Ana Dwa Mal Cha) T:3766 The Gnomish Mines level: 5 19:36 Another dwarf ana? 19:36 yes? 19:36 my old ones always ended dumb 19:36 cuz I fucked up 19:36 my last dead ana was inc tho 19:37 What exactly do incantifiers look like? 19:37 humans I thought 19:38 well google gives this: http://molivero.com/dndtools/USRD/srd/resource/images/classes/prestigeDramagIncantifier.JPG 19:38 that scares me 19:39 -!- _catalyst_ has joined #hardfought 19:41 tarmunora: how many bullets should I keep on hand 19:41 aosdict: in the arc quest, snakes hide under loot. are you doing something to replace that, or do you think that the arc quest has too much? 19:41 I have a bullet fabber and a seimic hammer for rocks 19:41 2-300 19:41 hm ok 19:42 hothraxxa: it's not defined whether snakes that generate on grass would also get a hiding item, but I think probably not, so... 19:42 thus my point 19:43 some is added back in the storerooms in home, but not much. 19:43 hah FIQ 19:43 I think the loot ought to come mainly from raiding the crypts in the locate and goal levels 19:43 because, Arc. 19:43 'already up-to-date' 19:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v NotTheOracle\dnt] by K2 19:44 i'd agree 19:53 [un] raelonmasters (Wiz Vam Mal Cha), 195 points, T:1104, killed by a fox, while fainted from lack of food 19:54 -!- tacco| has quit [] 19:56 -!- Porkman has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:58 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 20:03 [dnh] rikersan (Ana Dwa Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed 2 scrolls of charging", on T:5792 20:03 yay for RNG 20:04 [dnh] rikersan (Ana Dwa Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 tie-dye shirt of shambhala", on T:5794 20:04 [dnh] rikersan (Ana Dwa Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 premium heart", on T:5815 20:07 [un] raelonmasters (Rog Vam Mal Cha), 428 points, T:1428, killed by a sewer rat, while fainted from lack of food 20:09 :/ 20:14 fuck fuck fuck fuck 20:15 I misnamed a wand 20:15 it was cancel not tele 20:15 RIP WoW 0:0 20:15 *1:0 20:19 -!- Porkman has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:22 oh no 20:23 ? 20:23 my wish lost? it's fine tbh 20:23 it was just a random wand and i still have 2 (now +0 uncursed) useful artifacts 20:24 well shit 20:24 fuck paralysis 20:24 [dnh] rikersan (Ana Dwa Mal Cha), 44569 points, T:7682, killed by a kobold 20:25 on the bright side hta'ts a great bones file 20:31 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 20:31 Uhh 20:31 Ok then hexchat 20:32 what'd it do? 20:32 !rng drow|human 20:32 reapersan: human 20:32 Decided to make me join again as Tarmunora for no reason 20:33 ha 20:33 *ah 20:34 Screw off, me! 20:34 -!- Tarmumortem has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:34 -!- Tarmunora is now known as Tarmumortem 20:35 [dnh] rikersan (Pir Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:483 20:35 3 steps into the mines, now I am in minetown 20:35 yay for trapdoors 20:35 I'm also dead 20:35 [dnh] rikersan (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 380 points, T:578, killed by a dwarf 20:42 RIP 20:45 [dnh] rikersan (Pir Inc Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1880 20:47 what is this death? 20:47 ah 20:47 nvm I see 20:47 [dnh] rikersan (Pir Inc Mal Cha), 6278 points, T:2083, killed by Mr. Abitibi, the shopkeeper 20:47 I stepped into the doorway, he said "rikersan, you are a thief!" and kille dme 20:53 Found a past bones of yours? 20:54 no clue 20:54 or the dwarf stole smth 20:54 I kille dhim in the doorway 20:55 tha'ts what I think happened 21:31 [fh] FIQ x FIQ selfship (Luxidream) (Arc Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:31193 21:33 luxidream and his crazy names 21:48 [fh] FIQ x FIQ selfship (Luxidream) (Arc Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:31886 21:51 -!- hf_guest_78016 has joined #hardfought 21:53 Hello I'm wondering if anyone can point me to a sample options config file, specifically one that uses color to indicate HP levels, hunger levels, etc. I'm tired of dying because I fainted in the middle of a battle without noticing that I was low on food. 21:54 which version? 21:54 (also, people using the web terminal! nice) 21:54 3.6.1-dev 21:55 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/nhdev/k2.nhdevrc 21:55 there ya go 21:55 thanks very much 21:55 yw 21:56 that will get you started, can tweak to your own liking/preference 21:56 aosdict: heh yeah every so often someone other than me will use the web irc bit ;) 21:57 hf_guest_78016 you can state underline/bold and a couple other formatting options 21:57 other than 'normal' 21:58 oh and 'inverse' 21:58 * K2 prefers normal 21:59 * aosdict suddenly remembers I promised to update that page on the wiki for 3.6.1 22:00 thx. do you know if the 3.6.1 format will work for the version you're going to use for the tournament? 22:00 no it wont. status hilites changed significantly between 3.6.0 and 3.6.1 22:00 one sec 22:00 my cfg for 3.6.0 - https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/dn36/k2.dn36rc 22:01 thank you. I was using something I got off of Github, and it wasn't working at all. That probably explains the issue. 22:02 no prob. both cfgs should work fine. i havent had any issues 22:02 and non-working configs drive me nuts ;) 22:04 hf_guest: I've got a dnh specific one if you want that (you were the guy asking about drow, binders, and orcs a couple weeks ago I think?) 22:05 Sorry, no -- I only know what one of those three items is. I'm Eleven, haven't been around for long. 22:09 oh hey Eleven 22:09 glad to see ya here 22:10 hf_guest_78016: ah, ok. somebody with a hf_guest name was asking around a bit ago, I was just wondering if that was you 22:10 fun fact - you are the first legitimate user to use the admin@hardfought.org email account since we started hosting nethack 22:10 (msgboard/server notices and spam dont count) 22:10 heh 22:11 &time 22:11 The time is 19:11:03(PDT) on Monday, October 23, 2017 22:11 The tournament starts in 8 days, 4:48:56. 22:11 k2: any interesting spam? or just plain old enlargement/pyramid schemes 22:12 -!- hf_guest_78016 has quit [Quit: *poof*] 22:12 nothing crazy. spam assassin catches 99+ % of it 22:12 -!- hf_guest_78016 has joined #hardfought 22:13 web irc isnt the most stable, but it does what it needs to do 22:13 ah cool 22:16 howsit goin K2? 22:16 hf_guest_78016: you can /nick to Eleven if you want 22:16 hey hey Grasshopper 22:16 although, that username is _probably_ taken on freenode 22:16 its going, you? 22:16 going! 22:16 -!- hf_guest_78016 has quit [Client Quit] 22:16 aosdict: that's what underscores are for 22:16 \o/ 22:16 Grasshopper: as in, walking? 22:17 my foot is healing! 22:17 yay! 22:17 still tender and a little swollen, but healing bit by bit 22:18 sprain? 22:18 I went into the sea with it on the weekend 22:18 reapersan, a 7cm long and deep gash just under my ankle 22:18 that is not good 22:19 now it is down to about a 1.5cm long wound, but still a wound 22:19 :( hope you feel better soon 22:19 I'm out now o/ 22:19 -!- reapersan has quit [Quit: welp night y'all, get well soon grasshopper] 22:19 but yeah, wading in the sea at Krabi was great 22:20 nice 22:20 glad you're on the mend 22:20 small steps... :D 22:20 more booze 22:20 !booze Grasshopper 22:20 * Beholder tosses Grasshopper a tumbler of the hard stuff, fermented by the late Pinobot at 9 degrees Celsius. 22:20 hey, I get a walking stick to intimidate people with! 22:20 hidden rapier? 22:20 heh, that would have been fun on the x-ray scanners at the airport 22:21 ;) 22:22 the best thing is that I have a smiley-face scar on my ankle now 22:22 well, the smile part anyway 22:22 maybe I'll have to tattoo some eyes above it 22:23 thanks for the booze K2, although it isn't even 9:30am here yet 22:23 hahahah do it! 22:23 never too early to drink 22:23 its happy hour somewhere right now... 22:23 K2: I've never been into tattoos, but I reckon this is an exception! 22:25 funny thing, esp given my background - i dont have any either 22:25 not against them 22:25 just never got around to getting any 22:25 the seawater effect on my food was amazing - the wound felt better, visually improved almost immediately, and the swelling went down 22:25 good 22:26 K2: I admire some tattoos, but generally consider the natural body to be beautiful already 22:26 even on ugly people like me 22:26 but there are always exceptions :D 22:27 heh 22:27 * aosdict makes Grasshopper a seawater smoothie 22:28 goes well with that food 22:28 :P urgh 22:28 I ate lots of seafood while I was at the coast 22:28 [nd] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:27091 22:29 probably not good for my heart (lots of prawn/shrimp) but nvm 22:35 -!- hf_guest_78016 has joined #hardfought 22:47 DIED: k2 (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 0 points, killed by a fox on hardfought 22:52 K2 is that just a test or a :C ? 22:52 test 22:52 ok, I'll save my sympathies for later then ;-> 22:53 :) 22:54 [nd] Eleven (Mon Hum Fem Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon her by Huan Ti, on T:22357 22:58 DIED: k2 (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 0 points, killed by a jackal on hardfought 22:59 \o/ 22:59 success 22:59 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/dn36/dumplog/1508813871.dn36.txt 23:00 tell me what you see that's different 23:02 why does it say "Gave over" 23:05 3.6.1 thing i guess 23:05 but that's not the thing to notice 23:06 (null) 23:06 hmm no 23:07 unless you mean the devnull line 1 23:07 I see nothing out of place 23:07 \o/ 23:07 and the extra info above the map in general too 23:09 hmm 23:09 now that you mentiuon it 23:09 mention 23:09 statusline2 isnt being displayed at all in dumplog 23:09 and not just recent ones 23:10 but all of them have it 23:11 so that's an issue before the little patch I just added 23:17 DIED: k2 (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 3 points, killed by a sewer rat on hardfought 23:27 good catch aosdict 23:27 i didnt notice the (null) line 23:27 i dont think anyone did (or if they did, didnt care) 23:31