00:05 DIED: dgoddard (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 2969 points, killed by a gnome mummy on hardfought 00:30 [fh] A hot single Mahou Shoujo (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) wished for "2 blessed potions of wonder", on T:28096 00:30 OK, FIQhack's name limit is too long :-P 00:32 [fh] A hot single Mahou Shoujo (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", on T:28125 00:33 ais523: why? :P 00:33 Luxidream seems to love silly names fwiw 00:33 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:33 I guess I prefer my names to actually look like names 00:33 !lastgame Luxidream 00:33 FIQ: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-10-19%2000%3A27%3A56%2C%20ULTRA%20B%2BK%20%28ROUND%202%21%21%21%21%21%29-Mon-Hum-Mal-Law%2C%20died.txt 00:33 see the dumplog direc--what the fuck that url 00:33 raisse: re message, I changed the topic, but longterm we may want to make that channel a redirect somewhere, I'm just not sure where 00:34 anyway, se edumplog dir for his other names 00:34 several of them don't really care about the limit even if it was 12 00:35 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/fiqhack/dumplog/ 00:35 oh I almost forgot 00:35 ais523: if you name yourself 00:36 BassBassKickKickBassKickKick 00:36 the game crashes sometimes 00:36 something to do with unitialized variables in the load game menu 00:36 that name specifically? or is it just the only one known to work? 00:37 one known to work 00:37 also it's inconsistent 00:37 not like the previous one 00:37 there's a reason I was overcautious in limiting NH4's max name length 00:37 which worked consistently 00:37 well I think the issue remains regardless of name 00:37 due to unitialied values 00:37 just that the above is the only one that actually crashes 00:38 Evil Variant: item teleporter, teleports (or level teleports) your entire inventory but not you 00:38 dnethack has a monster that teleports away your items 00:38 (this is based on a trap from Tomb of Horrors, the D&D equivalent of the Evil Variant) 00:39 DIED: bouquet (Arc-Hum-Fem-Neu), 445 points, killed by a dwarf on altorg 00:39 it's recommended that you curse your items before the fight 00:39 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 00:40 also slex probably has a trap that does this 00:40 FIQ: again, that sentence is one that works in pretty much any context :-P 00:40 haha 00:45 DIED: bouquet (Arc-Hum-Fem-Neu), 640 points, killed by a green mold on altorg 00:47 DIED: dgoddard (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 5326 points, killed by a magic missile on hardfought 00:49 [fh] A hot single Mahou Shoujo (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed the master key of thievery", on T:28725 00:50 [fh] A hot single Mahou Shoujo (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:28726 00:52 ais523: thanks for the topic change! 00:52 raisse: you're welcome 00:52 the channel probably needs to be taken out of use entirely, though 00:53 after this year! 00:53 I mean after November 00:53 I can do a redirect and clear, but that's not necessarily a wise decision without knowing the target 00:53 hmm, are we using that channel for this November's tournament? 00:53 for selfish reasons I'd prefer one I'm already in :-P 00:53 woohoo, finally finished the valk quest redesign 00:53 I'd say it's the obvious choice 00:53 only wizard left 00:53 the development discussion for the tournament is in #hfdev, the obvious choice for gameplay is #nethack but I'm not sure they'd like it 00:54 ais523: there are plans to create a new tournament around this time of year in place of devnull. Why not wait till that gets more established and then redirect to it? 00:55 DIED: bouquet (Arc-Hum-Fem-Neu), 910 points, killed by a coyote on altorg 00:55 aosdict: hmm, possibly 00:55 I'm in favour of using the fewest number of channels possible, really 00:56 arguably the best place for the November tournament from a logistics point of view would be #junethack, but that has obvious naming issues 00:57 -!- bouquet has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 56.0/20171006080225]] 00:57 yes, if it had been called #nethacktournaments from the start there would be no issue 00:58 there would be, the name would be too long for me :-( 00:58 I care about trying to fit all the channel names onscreen at once 00:58 #devnull_nethack is problematic on similar reasoning 00:58 why can't all channel names be like #hfdev? :-P 01:01 well now I'm confused as to what #hfdev is. hardfought... dev? 01:01 yes, basically the code behind hardfought.org 01:02 and doesn't hardfought dev discussion basically happen here anyway? 01:02 right now it's mostly used for the code powering /dev/null/tribute 01:02 technical issues like "how do we sync up player's RC files between servers" 01:02 it's probably not interesting for people who care about gameplay changes to variants 01:02 rather than internals changes to dgamelaunch, xlogfile, etc. 01:17 does fiqhack have a demogorgon lair like slashem and dnethack? 01:19 [nd] Raisse (Arc Dwa Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:1247 01:20 looks like luxidream's game got corrupted somehow but she was able to recover 01:24 there's only one known instance of an NH4(-derived) game failing to recover, the worst problem besides that is normally when you can recover the save all you like but can't make progress 01:24 but that's encouraging because it normally means we can fix the bug and the game will be playable after that 01:26 @nh?xorn 01:26 @d?xorn 01:26 xorn (X) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 11 | Spd: 9 | Res: fire cold petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 20 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: -2 | Attacks: 1d3 claw physical, 1d3 claw physical, 1d3 claw physical, 4d6 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, phases, breathless, thick hide, metallivore 01:28 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 01:31 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:33 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 01:35 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 01:48 [fh] A hot single Mahou Shoujo (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:31880 01:49 -!- Luxidream has joined #hardfought 01:49 !setmintc=1000 01:49 Luxidream: Message from K2 at 2017-07-16 16:07 EDT: try your duckhack jr saved game (fiqhack) now, see if it runs 01:56 EPI: you must keep wearing the amulet of yendor, otherwise it flies out of your pack and returns to Moloch's sanctum after a few turns 01:57 do we still have that bridge between discord and this channel? 02:00 not HF no 02:00 I think the bridge between ootc chat and discord still exists 02:06 !setmintc 1000 02:06 Luxidream: Min reported turncount for luxidream set to 1000 02:14 in fiqhack, it looks like 3 wizards can be there at once 02:14 wizards of yendor 02:15 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 02:15 [fh] A hot single Mahou Shoujo (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:33839 02:18 -!- greqrg_ has quit [Quit: Disconnected] 02:20 [fh] A hot single Mahou Shoujo (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) reached the Astral Plane, on T:34016 02:30 [fh] A hot single Mahou Shoujo (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased rustproof partly eaten historic rock named if there are 3 wizards again I'm never playing this variant again", on T:34232 02:30 Luxidream, can't stand triple trouble? 02:31 [fh] A hot single Mahou Shoujo (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 279290 points, T:34233, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-10-21%2006%3A30%3A56%2C%20A%20hot%20single%20Mahou%20Shoujo-Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha%2C%20ascended.txt 02:31 I'll ask FIQ when he wakes up, but it could be a bug for all I know 02:38 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 02:38 -!- Luxidream has quit [Quit: *poof*] 02:39 -!- Luxidream has joined #hardfought 02:46 grats Luxidream! 02:46 -!- Luxidream has quit [Quit: *poof*] 02:50 DIED: bebing (Rog-Orc-Mal-Cha), 445 points, killed by a giant bat on hardfought 03:09 [fh] Croesus (Luxidream) (Tou Gno Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:8349 03:10 [fh] Croesus (Luxidream) (Tou Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:8350 03:12 [fh] Croesus (Luxidream) (Tou Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 gauntlets of power", on T:8417 04:42 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:47 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 05:31 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 06:24 -!- nht has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:25 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 06:30 -!- nht has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:33 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 06:36 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 06:54 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 07:02 hi 07:02 Hello Porkman, Welcome to #hardfought 07:08 Amy, are you around? 07:21 lol, so slex anachronaut starts without a melee weapon. BUT the PET has a lightsaber 07:22 Man, have you ever tried to do a Google search for sandestin, to see what the lore is? Apparently it has a lot to do with golf and Florida. 07:41 a golf resort full of shapeshifting demons! 07:49 I'm tempted to do the sandestin's slashem-32 tile as a demon wearing golf pants and carrying a club. 07:49 But I don't think most players would get the joke. 07:51 !tell ais523 By the way, wanted to hear your opinion on this spoiler conundrum: do you still consider it spoiling if a first-time player downloads the source and immediately reads all of data.base, oracles.txt, rumors.tru and rumors.fal, and makes inferrals based on their content? 07:51 Will do, aosdict! 07:52 That's clearly an edge case. 07:52 The dev team has traditionally encouraged source diving, I think. 07:52 Though they probably had in mind that you would play the game a little first. 07:54 :) 07:56 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:57 jonadab: right, but actual source diving is pretty obviously spoiling yourself 07:58 True. 07:58 whereas the auxiliary data which doesn't require any programming knowledge to read could be gained in-game through brute force 08:01 this is perhaps more relevant in the NH4 equivalent, because the encyclopedia will more or less tell you which monsters exist and what their primary attributes are. 08:04 Oh, my philosophy at this point is to assume that the internet exists and if players want to know stuff they can easily find out, so anything that doesn't change from game to game (and thus could be discovered from spoilers or source diving) is fair game to display, not an information leak. 08:05 this discussion you're having, is why I proposed a couple yrs ago that Elbereth should not work until the hero discovers it in-game 08:07 its too powerful to be able to use from turn one 08:08 even in its nerfed state with 3.6.x 08:11 K2: anyone that hits Elbereth with more nerfs is going to be paying a steep price in player sentiments about the variant 08:12 games like DCSS appear to be able to get away with nerfing and blocking strategies because they are more centralized than nethack is (or at least the "official" version is far more popular than older versions and any variants) 08:13 but when 3.6.0 came out, many people swore off playing it because Elbereth was nerfed and decided to stick to 3.4.3 08:14 for those that want less of a challenge, that's fine I suppose 08:14 the E word change I proposed, I'd like to see that in grunthack 08:16 DCSS has so many versions publicly available and honored that you can choose your difficulty level 08:17 NH4 + variants allow some E word control 08:17 which is cool 08:17 but they will still drop things in trunk for awhile that can be ridiculously OP for awhile (Wu Jian, gnolls) 08:18 makes me wonder if in order for your nethack variant to be popular, you need to provide some significant buffs - you can't just simply rebalance. 08:19 options are a big part of it imo 08:19 The majority of the listed solutions on my balance issues page constitute nerfs... but I can't imagine any of them would be that popular. 08:19 give users the OPTION to do or change settings/behavior 08:19 they let the community playtest and debate, and yes, the nerfs win eventually - but it is more open that 361 08:20 NH4 + variants have more open spirit 08:20 firemonkey: I was thinking of dnethack, actually. 08:20 Like dnh 08:20 Quite popular, and you can get a lot of cool powerful things that you can't get anywhere else, never mind the fact that the challenges have been scaled up too. 08:21 dnh for me has a good balance of OP player and OP monsters 08:21 many options 08:22 I like it that I could engineer a plan to defeat Asmo instead of having little chance 08:41 hi 08:41 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 08:42 triple trouble can happen if one of the Wizards decide to use turn undead 08:45 aosdict: I think players prefer rebalance by buffing rather than rebalance by taking things away 08:45 (Up to a point. You don't need to go as far as dNetHack) 08:48 K2: The problem with that (Elbereth doesn't work until discovered) is, it's backwards. 08:48 how so? 08:48 Very early is when the player _needs_ a safety mechanism; but it needs to be used up or wear out over time, because it can be spammed and cheesed. 08:49 I'm half tempted to nuke Elbereth from orbit and let all players start with a stack of three scrolls of scare monster. 08:49 Fireproof ones, even. 08:49 so your brand new lvl 1 adventurer is privy to the most powerful ward known? 08:50 why don't you think it's something universally taught? 08:50 that never made sense to me 08:50 to an adventurer beforehand 08:50 K2: How high-level was Frodo when he used it? 08:50 FIQ: yes, they do. the problem is it's harder to buff and maintain game balance 08:50 Was it in the late game, when he was in Mordor? 08:50 Or was it pretty early, at Weathertop? 08:50 frodo didnt start his adventure already knowing it 08:50 Frodo used it twice (verbally). 08:50 he learned of it 08:50 then used it 08:50 K2: When did he learn of it? 08:50 (Answer: before he left the Shire.) 08:51 hrm 08:51 He learned that the Nazgul were scared of it when he used it, though. 08:51 So he kind of stumbled into that. 08:51 But still. 08:52 But yeah, I think he knew the song from Bilbo. 08:52 Who probably learned it from the Elves. 08:52 (Likely in Rivendell.) 08:52 He knew the name of Elbereth before he met the High Elves in the Shire. 08:53 Of course, if we take this comparison too far, we could send Nazgul after the player starting from turn on, and that would be an evil patch idea. 08:53 aosdict: Yeah, pretty sure he learned it from Bilbo. 08:54 But setting flavor to one side, the gameplay of making the character learn Elbereth and _then_ allowing it to be used, is very wrong. 08:54 Exactly the opposite of the balance I want. 08:54 jonadab: I know K2 dislikes E strongly 08:55 which is probably why he wants to nerf it into oblivion :) 08:55 K2: Just #undef ELBERETH :-) 08:55 Absolutely everyone with no exceptions acknowledges that 3.4.3 Elbereth was grossly OP. 08:55 We just all have different ideas about how it should be nerfed. 08:55 jonadab: FIQHack still has 3.4.3 E 08:55 as does Grunt 08:56 in fact Grunt *buffed* Elbereth 08:56 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 08:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 08:56 Hmm, FIQHack buffs some important monster ranged attacks, though, and teaches monsters to use their ranged attacks more effectively. 08:58 True 08:58 also in FIQHack, like all NetHack4 variants, it's a conduct 08:58 Ideally, I'd kind of like "back off and use ranged attacks" to be a distinct AI state from "flee in terror", but that would _buff_ Elbereth, and I want it to not need nerfs before I do anything like that. 08:58 Also, it would require touching the AI code, not sure I am up to that. 09:02 apparently in FIQHack, Asmodeus wasn't happy with his original form 09:02 so he drank a potion of polymorph 09:03 cant just compile with E word 09:03 you have to have the ability to use it, have that temptation 09:03 and then win the game without using it 09:03 *compile without 09:06 I have no idea why this happened 09:07 [dnh] porkman (Ana Inc Fem Cha), 2536 points, T:1114, killed by a gas spore's explosion 09:09 lol asmo living on the egde 09:09 edge 09:10 [dnh] porkman (Ana Inc Fem Cha), 8 points, T:39, killed by a water moccasin 09:10 Absolutely everyone with no exceptions acknowledges that 3.4.3 Elbereth was grossly OP. <-- the people who still persist in playing 3.4.3 because they don't want to live in a world without its E would like to have a word with you 09:11 What's the option to get HP line colored 09:12 so that it goes red when you are low HP 09:13 what version 09:21 [dnh] porkman (Ana Inc Fem Cha), 2366 points, T:1211, killed by a gnome lord 09:21 this one 09:26 you can copy my statuscolors if you'd like 09:26 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/F/FIQ/dnethack/FIQ.dnethackrc 09:34 I kind of miss the implicit hilarity of 3.4.3 having an OP defense like Elbereth and people still considering it hard 09:35 E is good for streaking, not necessary for winning 09:35 [dnh] porkman (Ana Inc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof greased +3 tie-dye shirt of shambhala", on T:2912 09:37 raw idea, maybe power scales with Int or some stat, but that may unbalance it to casters 09:37 or XP 09:38 hmm 09:39 can someone please suggest a decent options file to cut and paste? 09:39 i see hardfought starts with none of em 09:39 or hey, maybe i can copy my NAO one 09:39 one sec 09:39 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/dnethack/k2.dnethackrc 09:40 thanks! 09:40 just remember to exclude the junethack k2 line if you doa blind copy paste :P 09:43 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:44 oh this is brilliant. thank you so much K2 09:45 lol 09:46 this game 09:46 i found a random magic marker on dlvl2, a random BOH on mines 1, and a throne wish on dlvl4 09:52 [dnh] porkman (Ana Inc Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3661 09:55 and minetown has a second BOH 09:55 wtf, and a third BOH 09:56 have a boh party 09:57 YANI: you can W)ear an empty sack or boh on your head. Blinds you and sets charisma to 6 09:58 if you try to wear a bag of tricks --> instadeath 09:58 with an amusing message 10:00 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:01 hmm 10:01 poison from a poisoned weapon -> you feel very sick! 10:01 hmmmm 10:02 I have no foodpois or ill status on bar though 10:02 you lost constitution 10:05 jonadab: heh, apparently Luxidream didn't like Rodney abusing turn undead 10:06 v - a blessed greased rock named if there are 3 wizards again I'm never playing this variant again 10:06 -!- tacco| has quit [] 10:07 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 10:10 bones? 10:10 No 10:10 Turn undead 10:10 I was reading his dumplog 10:11 He had a rock with this name 10:11 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-10-21%2006:30:56,%20A%20hot%20single%20Mahou%20Shoujo-Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha,%20ascended.txt 10:13 Porkman you are welcome! :) 10:13 Ah, dumplog. 10:14 I thought you found the rock in your game. 10:15 Nah 10:15 Apparently he wished for it right before ascension 10:15 -!- tacco| has quit [] 10:16 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 10:20 ahh 10:21 so asmo polying is actually working as intended 10:21 luxidream whacked him with trice 10:21 and he had no other way to save himself 10:21 neat 10:22 nethack is becoming self-aware 10:22 K2: This is FIQHack, what did you expect? :p 10:22 lol 10:22 nothing less 10:23 Oh, nifty. 10:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v FIQ] by ChanServ 10:27 -!- ri-corpse-san has joined #hardfought 10:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Mandevil] by ChanServ 10:29 and a random magic lamp in mines 10:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v NotTheOracle\dnt] by K2 10:29 I shall be able to recreate my bugged character soone nough. pity that smoky potion isn't alchemizable this game 10:31 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 10:34 ais523: Do you see an issue with the potential of 3+ Rodneys as a result of turn undead? 10:35 Warning: Skynethack will become self-aware and realise that Nethack works much better and bug-free if there are no human players 10:35 I personally don't, but apparently someone else did 10:35 so I was wondering your view 10:35 therefore, it will hack into the world's nuclear arsenals and launch armageddon 10:35 FIQ: there are plenty of ways to get 3+ Rodneys in 3.4.3 10:35 ais523: Message from aosdict at 2017-10-21 07:51 EDT: By the way, wanted to hear your opinion on this spoiler conundrum: do you still consider it spoiling if a first-time player downloads the source and immediately reads all of data.base, oracles.txt, rumors.tru and rumors.fal, and makes inferrals based on their content? 10:35 ais523: I meant without player involvement 10:36 Luxidream in his game had Rodney cast Double Trouble 10:36 he killing one of them 10:36 the other cast Double Trouble again 10:36 and then someone revived the dead corpse 10:36 that seems like a plausbile combination of monster abilities 10:36 He... didn't approve lol 10:36 if it's seen as a balance problem, though, I'd recommend either banning double-Double Trouble 10:36 "v - a blessed greased rock named if there are 3 wizards again I'm never playing this variant again" 10:36 or making Rodney not leave a corpse 10:36 the former seems to make more sense though 10:36 So I was wondering if I was alone in my view of "working as intended" :P 10:37 ais523: Double Trouble only works if there is a single WIzard 10:37 But you can use Double Trouble to make 2 wizards 10:37 and then one can revive his former corpse 10:38 I mean, make it so that if Rodney casts Double Trouble, he(?) can't cast it again until the next respawn 10:38 Ah 10:38 That's one idea 10:39 ais523: Currently, Rodney *will* use Double Trouble whenever he can, above everything else 10:39 Because there is never a reason not to 10:42 YASI: any item can made "xornproof", which means if you leave it there item-eating monsters can't eat it 10:42 !rng slex | dnh 10:42 ri-corpse-san: slex 10:43 [slex] rikersan (Roc Ang Mal Neu), 11800 points, T:5, quit 10:48 [nd] Grasshopper (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:42694 10:52 @le?karmic patch 10:52 karmic patch (F) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 7 | Spd: 5 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 7 | Attacks: 1d8 passive drain luck, 1d8 touch drain luck | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, breathless, mindless, vegan 10:53 [slex] rikersan (Roc Ang Mal Neu), 537 points, T:867, killed by sinking in shifting sand 10:58 -!- aosdict has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:59 porkman: did you quit your old character? 11:00 no 11:00 it's there 11:00 waiting to see wwhether i feel liek making an insane bones pile 11:00 this game... smoky is obj det 11:00 not as easy to make as gain ability 11:00 but, I should poly a few anyway 11:01 porkman: honestly, it doesn't sound that hard to play 11:02 if you've still got identify, magic mapping/clairavoyance, and telepathy/warning, I'd still keep going 11:02 all spells are at like 5% 11:02 plus 11:02 ah rip 11:03 I can't kill lamashtu without seeing because I can't cast cone of cold on her location 11:03 because I cannot see 11:03 BFG 11:03 BFG w/ silver bullets ;P 11:03 that's on the floor bullwhipped 11:03 somewhere 11:03 porkman: if all else fails, you can try to bind otiax (I don't know if you have) 11:03 what's otiax? 11:03 he grants x-ray vision iirc 11:03 binder spirit 11:03 you'd lose eden, but it might work 11:03 dunno if I have him 11:03 !tell K2 FIQHack updated -- there's now a message when a corpse is revived, and Double Trouble chains is no more 11:03 Will do, FIQ! 11:04 yeah, I have otiax 11:04 you can try that 11:04 he needs to be drawn in a door 11:05 also, porkman: otiax's taboo is not to lock doors, so uh don't do that 11:05 -!- aosdict has joined #hardfought 11:06 haha 11:06 can i smash them open though 11:06 not if they're unlocked 11:06 locked doors can be kicked down tho 11:06 [nd] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 2 crude daggers on an altar, on T:4406 11:06 I think it only applies to kicks though not sure 11:06 I'll wiztest later 11:09 porkman: nope, any door destruction of an unlocked door counts 11:09 I can't seem to bind otiax 11:09 if I close the door, nothing happens 11:09 you already have eden bound 11:10 you'll need to break that taboo and lose a level or wait for it to time out 11:10 if i open it, it says "you instinctively look for a door to open!" 11:10 yeah, you can only bind 1 at a time 11:10 hold up, otiax doesn't seem to give xray anymore 11:11 now otiax is active 11:11 can you see 11:11 if not I'm sorry >_> 11:14 Tarmumortem: was otiax's xray vis changed? 11:15 oh, it wasn't otaix >:U 11:15 it was orthos 11:15 porkman: >_> i'm sorry for that 11:15 you may not have orthos though 11:16 :/ 11:16 nope 11:16 no orthos 11:16 :( 11:16 there's a small chance that the book of lost names is somewhere 11:16 library of law (axus level) 11:16 not gonna mess with it 11:16 i searched it anwyay, nothing there 11:16 :/ 11:17 it's also got a 10% chance of being with the wizard, at the valley, or in the sanctum iirc 11:25 [dnh] rikersan (Bin Orc Mal Non), 107 points, T:508, killed by a jackal 11:27 [dnh] rikersan (Ana Inc Mal Cha), 193 points, T:317, killed by a water demon, while sleeping 11:33 [dnh] porkman (Ana Inc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof greased +3 shield of yggdrasil", on T:7905 11:35 porkman: pro-tip, shields are stupid, next time go for a gigantic one (gives much more AC) 11:35 i.e. "+3 gigantic shield of yggdrasil" 11:35 and I can still wear it? 11:35 (and how much does it weigh) 11:36 it will weigh more 11:36 but you can wear it still 11:36 iirc shields and cloaks are available to creatures smaller than the size 11:36 i.e. a medium one can wear a large cloak/shield, but not vice-versa 11:37 [nd] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 2937 points, T:5602, killed by a bolt of cold 11:37 can I use an upgrade kit to make it gigantic? 11:37 you should be able to yes 11:37 find a gigantic monster first 11:37 it asks for monster type not size 11:37 oh, and is the sunless sea guaranteed? 11:38 yes 11:38 but it can be anywhere 11:38 I've had it as a downstairs on medusa's island, but also on lvl 1 11:38 . 11:38 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-10-21 11:03 EDT: FIQHack updated -- there's now a message when a corpse is revived, and Double Trouble chains is no more 11:39 FIQhack updated 11:40 !who 11:40 ri-corpse-san: porkman [dnh] Luxidream [fh] Eleven [nd] Grasshopper [nd] Raisse [nd] 11:40 !whereis porkman 11:40 ri-corpse-san: porkman [dnh]: (Ana Inc Fem Cha) T:8355 The Dungeons of Doom level: 8 11:41 !whereis Luxidream 11:41 K2: Luxidream [un]: (Convict orcish Mal chaotic) T:614 The Dungeons of Doom level: 2 11:41 hah 11:41 yeah thats broke 11:41 bhaak: nice and consistent output 11:42 hmm unnethack is not releasing whereis files 11:42 may have to tell dgl to do it 11:43 K2: what is the file called? 11:43 for this info 11:43 whereis, thanks 11:43