00:23 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:30 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:30 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 00:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 01:00 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:06 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 01:11 [nd] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10999 01:29 gah, zapped myself with stone to flesh instead of extra healing and turned the luckstone into a meatball 01:29 it was delicious 01:30 [nd] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (electric eel), on T:14415 01:41 I bet you're wishing you got a fortune cookie out of that instead raisse 01:46 I think for that you'd have to polymorph the meatball. 01:48 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:48 * bug_sniper polymorphs jonadab instead 01:49 * jonadab turns into a newt. The newt hits. You die. 01:50 and no, the slashem extended developer is not here or else the bot would have announced her presence 01:51 * jonadab zaps a wand of polymorph at slex. 01:52 you get nuclear throne 02:07 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:33 FWIW, I just compiled Grunthack for Windows. Mainly for Tokage, but in case anyone else is interested, download link: https://app.box.com/s/t8r0wy25vsgwtcqap3lfeo87gfgvr1am 02:42 Tangles: awwwwwwwwwww when you recommended different variants that make nethack harder to Tokage, you should have mentioned slex as well, it definitely makes things harder :D 02:43 -!- khoR_ has joined #hardfought 02:45 also it's funny how everyone seems to think "edible bra" would be my fruit name (it isn't) 02:47 Hello peeps 02:48 khoR_: Who you are calling peep, you francoist mob? 02:48 My english is not good enough to know if I should be offended by your reply. "francoist mob" sounds bad. 🤔 02:49 Oh yes! Sorry LarienTelrunya I forgot to mention slex (It wasn't on purpose) 02:49 ;) 02:49 anyway, if Tokage reappears, we can now direct him to the grunthack binary for windows I compiled 02:49 And massive thanks for the Windows compile. 02:49 heh, I'm not sure if everything works, as I had to iron out a couple compile errors 02:49 khoR_: Well, peep doesn't have the best connotations either. 02:50 for instance, it didn't seem to recognize tcap.h at all?! 02:50 It doesnt? 02:50 I thought it was a short way of saying peoples 02:50 Oh, maybe it is. 02:50 I (and proabably most people here) have no idea how to make such a thing. 02:50 My apologies then. 02:50 I mainly associate peeping with "secretly observing people" 02:50 oh lol 02:51 khoR_: Nah, it was just a joke. 02:51 khoR_: Maybe a not good one, I admit. 02:51 Well I'm sure you peep a lot into other peoples games don't you Mandevil? 02:51 ;) 02:51 khoR_: Heh. 02:51 khoR_: Not a lot, but sometimes, yes :) 02:51 I was talking about your site 02:51 :P 02:51 peep into the 02:51 Well, those are just logs. 02:51 oh noes, I forgot the name 02:52 whats the name of the resume of the game 02:52 when you died 02:52 dumplog 02:52 yeah that 02:52 ! 02:56 Hm, tariru won a game again recently. 02:56 Oh, he seems to be back at it. 02:56 After more than year's time off he won 5 games in October. 02:57 The last time to get that Full Monty this year! ;-) 03:00 Exactly 14 days to devnull Tribute tournament now. 03:00 huh, Grunthack apparently has an elven high priest of Moloch on the sanctum... somehow I expected to see an elder priest there, considering grunt is the evil variant :P 03:00 I forgot about tariru 03:00 It's the guy that enjoyed destroyed dnh and not communicating with us right? :P 03:00 Destroyed dnh? 03:01 Mandevil: stenno was talking to Tariru in #nethack the other day. He sounded keen to play in the tournament. 03:01 Tangles: Cool. 03:02 I also noticed nht doing some play-testing earlier, so I guess he's in. Should be a good contest :) 03:02 holy shit, grunthack's water elementals are absolute motherfuckers... how the hell do you handle the plane of water?! 03:03 LarienTelrunya: Not fighting them? Using magical breathing? 03:03 LarienTelrunya: Polymorphing into a vampire? 03:03 conflict, and a tooled horn. 03:03 Mandevil: Destroyed as in... I don't know how to translate it. 03:03 Mandevil: well there's the plane of water, where you have about 25 superpowered water elementals 03:03 Like totally owning it? ;-) 03:04 yeah 03:04 in the good way, not in the bad one 03:04 LarienTelrunya: Dunno, I won Grunt only once and I didn't have much trouble. 03:05 well I never won it, I just fooled around in wizmode to find out how evil it is 03:05 EPI: The November tournament should use Grunt :) 03:05 haha 03:06 also the suffocation instakills you in 3 turns, this is even faster than an amulet of strangulation! 03:08 I'd say gelcubes are even worse since they paralyze you if you try to fight while they are suffocating you. 03:08 And then there are beholders. 03:08 Who are really WTF kind of monster. 03:09 @g?beholder 03:09 hmm, still doesn't work 03:09 apparently the pinobot instance is down :( 03:10 @v?newt 03:10 newt (:) | Lvl: 0 | Diff: 1 | Spd: 6 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 8 | Attacks: 1d2 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, swims, amphibious 03:10 @g?beholder 03:10 beholder (e) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 11 | Spd: 3 | Res: cold | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Attacks: 0d0 gaze slow, 2d25 gaze sleep, 0d0 gaze disintegrate, 0d0 gaze petrification, 2d4 gaze cancellation, 2d4 bite physical | Alignment: -10 | Flags: genocidable, flies, breathless, mindless, nopoly, infravisible 03:11 yay it works again 03:11 @le?air elemental speed beholder 03:11 air elemental speed beholder (e) | Lvl: 9 | Diff: 21 | Spd: 36 | Res: cold | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 4 | Attacks: 0d0 gaze slow, 2d25 gaze sleep, 0d0 gaze disintegrate, 0d0 gaze petrification, 2d4 gaze cancellation, 2d4 bite physical | Alignment: -10 | Flags: genocidable, flies, breathless, mindless, nopoly, infravisible 03:14 ugh I'm gonna die :c 03:22 This demon lord monster thingy doesnt wanna to come kill me. :( 03:25 Ugh this guy is SO annoying. 03:27 Yay, he ded. :D 03:27 This bot doesn't call my glorious achievements though. :( 03:34 Oh hey, I found my stash. 03:34 Good old sokoban. 03:58 FIQ: There is something weird going on with tombstones and altars 04:04 -!- remirol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:04 -!- workimer has joined #hardfought 04:05 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:05 khoR_: FIQHack altars are supposed to be color-coded by alignment now. 04:13 Well something is off. 04:13 When I enter a level with tombs they appear like altars 04:13 Ah. 04:13 and when I go to the room and get line of sight on them they change to tombstones again 04:13 I wonder if he forgot to edit one of the arrays. 04:13 There's like six things you have to change when you add a terrain. 04:13 But that might only be because it's a save mid change? 04:13 Maybe he missed out one. 04:13 Oh, that's also possible. 04:18 I have it on replay 04:18 hang on 04:19 how do I see replays again? 04:19 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/FCIqt5qo/ 04:21 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/lSfqviCq/ 04:22 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 04:22 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3ZBzbPm6/ 04:26 [nd] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:22087 04:26 *whew* 04:26 I was getting a bit fed up with stashing and backtracking 04:48 -!- Porkman has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:59 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 04:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 05:03 I would need boh to give me 1/16 of the weight of items to not need stashes. 05:10 do I need to actually pick up the soko prize in order for Rodney to say I've finished it? even if I don't want it? 05:10 [nd] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:28002 05:11 yes. 05:15 khoR_: If BoH gave 1/16 weight, I would still have a stash. 05:15 Though I wouldn't need to make _nearly_ as many trips to it. 05:17 * LarienTelrunya rarely, if ever, needs a stash in slex 05:20 I did 05:20 because I always ran out of letters 05:21 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:21 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 05:22 What the hell is a potion of wonder? 05:24 Will give a random intrinsic permanently (blessed/uncursed)/remove one instead (cursed) 05:24 Sounds balanced 05:24 :v 05:28 19 holy water 05:28 great success! 05:28 The balance is in the fact that you can't control what intrinsic you get. 05:29 It's random, and some of them are dangerous. 05:29 You feel a little strange... 05:29 I dont know what I got 05:30 maybe stealth 05:31 now I just have to blank all my scrollsand im ready to power up 05:33 -!- Tokage has joined #hardfought 05:33 [gh] Tokage (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony called Howitzer 05:34 Who else can never resist doing that from the beginning, no matter the risks and the drawbacks? 05:34 Or is it just me? 05:34 no, also me 05:34 o/ 05:35 Tokage: I have something for you. https://app.box.com/s/t8r0wy25vsgwtcqap3lfeo87gfgvr1am - Grunthack compiled for Windows! 05:35 Oh boy. 05:35 Download, copy the contents of the zip folder to any place you like, run grunthack.exe, enjoy :) 05:37 jonadab: Can you remind me how to enchant weapons and armor? 05:37 I dont wanna vaporize anything 05:37 It's so fast! And shift-running works! 05:37 :) 05:37 And all the ALT- and CTRL-commands! 05:38 there were a few minor errors when compiling that I had to iron out; on the whole it should work fine though 05:41 khoR_: you wield (or wear) only the item you want to enchant, and read a (usually blessed) scroll of enchant the relevant thing. 05:41 Yeah what worries me is the thresholds 05:41 like at what point it becomes unsafe 05:41 Weapons and elven armor are safe to enchant at +5 or lower, most other armor at +3 or lower. 05:41 Man, playing this thing back-to-back with the server just shows how slow it is to play online. 05:42 jonadab: ty <3 05:43 LarienTelrunya: How'd you deal with the posix regex issue? 05:43 J - a blessed greased +5 blue dragon scale mail (being worn) 05:43 :D 05:44 One little hiccup - there seem to be no letters visible in the menus or the loot or anywhere. 05:44 So I need to guess which item was which. 05:44 jonadab: don't remember, actually 05:44 (Tell me you didn't compile slex, rename it to grunthack.exe, and give it to him.) 05:45 xDDD 05:45 Tokage: hmm, that's weird... happens on mine too, I should look into it 05:46 wtf, in the menus it doesn't show the letters either 05:46 might be because of the tcap.h thing 05:49 hm, or it might actually be due to the regex thing :( 05:50 ah, now I remember, I undefined MENU_COLOR_REGEX in config.h to "fix" it, I guess that's what broke the letters 05:51 the weird thing is that slex has USE_REGEX_MATCH instead, so I can't just copy that code over :/ 05:52 problem is, the grunthack thing apparently requires regex.h 05:56 Bugger. 05:57 gah, do I have to edit wintty.c to include regex.h??? how... annoying 05:57 How do I turn healing potions into extra healing potions? 05:57 speed' 05:57 ?* 05:58 Speed. 05:58 Unless you're playing some variant I don't know of that changes it. 05:58 worked 05:58 :D 05:58 and extra into full? 05:58 gain ability or level? 05:58 Gain energy. 05:58 oh shit 05:58 Or gain level, but those are useful on their own. 05:58 I dont have any of those 05:59 meh, I dont like to gain levels 06:00 alright, this game just became waaaaay easier 06:00 thank you :3 06:02 HRRRRRRGH, apparently I'd have to install the complete posix regex library if I want to compile this thing with regex??? 06:02 Well, yes, that would make sense. Good luck getting THAT to work on Windows.\ 06:03 yes, the whole whooping 1 MB package 06:03 ... but regular expressions work in slex, which I also compiled for windows and which doesn't need such a huge-ass library! 06:03 Oh? 06:03 What regex library did you use? 06:03 are you sure it's real regexpes? 06:03 As opposed to, what, wildcard globs? 06:04 aww this stupid marker is dry 06:04 thanks a lot horaxxa >_> 06:04 oh, I was wrong, slex is special-cased to only use regex.h on unix 06:04 so on windows it does not work :P 06:05 well im stupid op now anyway 06:05 im lacking some rings though 06:06 hmm, I think I can make a workaround though 06:07 Should be possible to make GruntHack not depend on regex support on Windows. 06:07 jonadab: yes, the build in glob code 06:09 is FIQ arround? 06:09 I could show him his bug nwo 06:09 now 06:10 He's probably asleep still. 06:10 He's been going to bed late the last few days. 06:10 And by late I mean late by my timezone here. 06:11 One thing I haven't seen any Nethack version do is to make enemies angry if they see me eat one of their own kind. 06:11 uhh 06:11 thats a nice idea 06:11 You'd think those gnomes would be a bit mad to interrupt me in front of their butchered friend. 06:11 gnomes don't have friends 06:12 Some go berserk, others run away or get stunned. 06:15 [gh] Tokage (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1048 points, T:807, killed by a gnomish wererat 06:16 Hmm. So Grunthack somehow doesn't want to put a "selector" on the menu items. 06:16 ok jonadab 06:16 are you watching? 06:16 I can show you instead 06:16 I've managed to make it so that the items are prefixed with - now... but they should actually be prefixed with a, b, c etc. in inventory view! 06:18 Indeed. 06:24 oh, apparently this is a windows-specific bug 06:24 the slex source code even specifically states "because WIN32CON this must be done in a brain-dead way"... 06:26 YES! the brain-dead way of slex makes it work! 06:26 time to update the zip archive! 06:28 Tokage: zip archive updated! if you download it again, the menu items should show a, b, c etc. now! 06:29 I know that nothing leaves a corpse on the rogue level, but apparently unicorns don't leave horns either! 06:29 fortunately I already have one 06:29 Hmmmmmmmmmm. Now I'm wondering, does the brain-dead implementation enable menu glyphs? would be nice to get them to work on windows too 06:31 I mean, if the implementation works for the menu selectors, it should work for the menu glyphs too if the relevant function is adjusted... 06:31 I implemented menu glyphs only for the unix tty IIRC 06:32 Works great now. Thanks. 06:32 None of the colors for weapon skills or spells work, though. 06:32 Tokage: yeah, unfortunately it just would not compile with menu colors due to the regex thing, sorry :( 06:33 It's fine - it's a minor hiccup. 06:33 Hopefully we'll get them all in eventually, though. 06:34 bhaak: It works on windows (just tested)!!! and it's very easy to do, too! all it takes is the brain-dead slex code :D 06:35 proof screenshot: https://abload.de/img/braindeadmenuglyphs2aa44.png 06:35 [nd] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:32435 06:36 I'm wondering if I should do the same for Grunthack, actually 06:37 [gh] Tokage (Kni Hum Mal Law) had lance bestowed upon him by Lugh, on T:893 06:42 When an enemy attack is narrowly stopped by a piece of armor, is it just fluff - to show that the armor class matters - or a legitimate new mechanic? 06:43 it means that if your AC had been one point worse, it would have been a hit 06:43 [gh] Tokage (Kni Hum Mal Law), 771 points, T:1491, slipped while mounting a saddled pony called Howitzer 06:44 Also, I discovered a bug. 06:44 I couldn't ride my pony downstairs because he's "still eating" - even though I haven't seen him eat anything at all from the ground, and even though it's been hundreds of turns! 06:44 I could, however, ride him upstairs. 06:44 I'm pretty sure that should not be. 06:48 yeah that sounds weird; can't seem to reproduce that in wizmode though 06:52 That's in the server version, just to be clear. 06:52 It started to happen right after I got that lance gift. 07:02 Ahh... Tokage / LarienTelrunya: I see you two got acquainted :) 07:04 Thanks again LarienTelrunya. I would not even know how to begin making a tool-chain to get a nethack variant built on Windows, but I guess you already had most of it in place for slex. 07:05 heh indeed, I use mingw-32 and just followed the instructions in sys/winnt/install.nt, and then had to fix about half a dozen compile errors but now it works 07:05 sweet! 07:06 LarienTelrunya thanks for the gh windows compile ;) 07:06 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-10-17 21:20 EDT: some more fixes, the fuzzer seems to be able to r un for quite a while now without finding anything 07:07 :) 07:07 FIQhack updated 07:07 Tangles: I'm going the cygwin route for win32 builds. doing any command line stuff with the builtin stuff is masochistic but that's why LarienTelrunya is able to do it 07:08 LarienTelrunya: when you have a minute would you be able to contribute the changes you made back? 07:08 uhh, I guess for that I need to clone the repo and then commit the changes I made 07:09 also those changes will be unsorted and some of them might be silly or could probably be done in a better way 07:09 especially the menucolors stuff, there must be a way to make it work on windows, rather than butchering it 07:09 It depends how big. If it's just one or two files you could patebin them or something. 07:10 you can diff it and pastebin it. so we can have a look at it and judge if there is still hope for you as coder 07:11 It's totally cool if you'd rather not, too. 07:11 heh, I'll clone the repo and then commit my changes 07:11 should only take a few minutes anyway 07:12 Thanks Amy :) 07:14 gaaaaaaaaah it's not working :( 07:15 Tokage: a little bit of background... LarienTelrunya is the developer of Slash'EM Extended (aka SLEX), which is hands-down the most batshit insane variant of Nethack you will ever play. You should definitely give it a try :D 07:15 [gh] Tokage (Kni Hum Mal Law), 32 points, T:58, killed by a kobold wererat 07:15 -!- NotTheOracle\dnt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:16 I've played enough standard SLASH'EM to know that a whole lot of its additions are not for me. Sounds like SLEX is going down the same route. 07:16 LarienTelrunya: Is it because you github thinks you already have a fork? (I had a similar issue trying to fork gh and un because they both come from the same ancestor). 07:16 heh, nope, it's just github being stupid and thinking files were empty when they're really not 07:17 -!- NotTheOracle\dnt has joined #hardfought 07:19 https://github.com/AmyBSOD/GruntHack/commit/ed209a4513b6243707ed5103487bc31e7416f7ee 07:20 awesome :D 07:21 \o/ 07:21 can you test whether it compiles for you as well? 07:21 ugh perl script is dying, but i have to go to work 07:21 bbl 07:23 also I can second the notion that slex is worth a try; it is based on regular slashem, but it's basically a completely different game (I wouldn't want to play regular slashem anymore, now that I got slex) 07:24 DIED: khamul (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 5146 points, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted soldier ant on hdf-eu 07:26 * jonadab can confirm that slex is a completely different game. 07:27 LarienTelrunya: I'm just having a read through. I'll merge and compile-test it shortly. 07:27 oh dear lord 07:27 this quest is terrible 07:29 "The weapon hits you." 07:29 wat xD 07:33 ok i have 5 min to fix' 07:33 [gh] Tokage (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at him by some watery tart, on T:1554 07:35 -!- NotTheOracle\dnt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:35 -!- NotTheOracle\dnt has joined #hardfought 07:38 -!- NotTheOracle\dnt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:39 -!- NotTheOracle\dnt has joined #hardfought 07:41 fixed 07:41 bye :P 07:43 LarienTelrunya: it builds! :) 07:46 yay! great! does it run too? 07:47 I'm just looking... I kind of expected hilite stairs/piles to break... and it does. 07:47 but I can replace that section you commented out with some #ifdefs. 07:48 should I be worried about a magenta h with an underscore? 07:50 khoR_: I want to say... yes. 07:52 wat 07:52 this map seems unusually thin 07:52 it has like 20 tiles wide less than usual 07:57 [nd] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:4618 08:22 [gh] Tokage (Kni Hum Mal Law), 11207 points, T:7167, killed by a soldier ant, while praying 08:26 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:28 [nh4] TKirby (tkirby) (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 33064 points, T:2279, killed by a gnome lord 08:31 -!- Tokage has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:39 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 08:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:44 !tell LarienTelrunya I had to revert a couple of your changes to get menucolors working again. Might have to have a better look at why that's broken next time we need a Windows build. 08:44 Will do, Tangles! 08:58 -!- Mandevil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:59 -!- Mandevil has joined #hardfought 08:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Mandevil] by ChanServ 09:12 -!- Tokage has joined #hardfought 09:22 [nd] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 155262 points, T:32854, killed by a minotaur 09:22 argh my wand of sleep was empty 09:22 and I was wearing a shield of reflection so I had healing at 30% fail or so 09:22 but best healer run in ages 09:22 between medusa and caslte 09:32 Good job reaching that deep into the dungeon raisse :D 09:38 DIED: khamul (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2376 points, killed by a dwarf on hdf-eu 09:40 khoR_: ;-p 09:41 khoR_: 09:41 [15:41] !lg . -count won role=healer 09:41 [15:41] raisse: That query has 7 matches. 09:41 I *can* do it 09:41 but all of those were 3.4.3 09:42 (also had the healer highscore in devnull once, until berry maxinted me) 09:43 lol 09:43 your score got berry'd... so to speak. 09:43 yep 09:50 I wonder how many I have. 09:51 3 healers 09:51 All 3.4.3 too 09:52 Apparently I ascended all roles. :D 09:59 [gh] Tokage (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 25 points, T:136, killed by a gecko 10:03 jonadab: you know how there's a priest in the Cav quest home? Did you change his lines to monosyllables as well? 10:04 Aww, polymorphs are no longer permanent. 10:04 khoR_: yes I am 10:04 [gh] Tokage (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 249 points, T:359, killed by a goblin 10:06 [gh] Tokage (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 250 points, T:353, killed by a sewer rat, while landing from a jump 10:07 mmm luckstones 10:07 [gh] Tokage (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 24 points, T:42, killed by a sewer rat, while praying 10:08 This luckstone tastes delicious! 10:09 YANI: when rock-eating is implemented (Yabba-dabba delicious! and so on), eating a luckstone gives you +1 Luck. 10:11 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:12 oh 10:12 khoR_: yeah it's due to a save mid-change 10:12 I forgot to do a save revision change when changing altars 10:12 so saves made in the interim wil have weird altars/etc 10:12 sorry about that 10:13 It's ok, nothing game breaking. 10:13 (I later on fixed it, but if you made a save before I fixed it but after the altar change, you see that) 10:13 Just a letdown everyime I think I have an altar in the level. ;( 10:14 heh 10:17 [gh] Tokage (Wiz Elf Mal Neu) had gold spellbook bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:2067 10:17 -!- ri-corpse-san has joined #hardfought 10:18 Oh, Create Monster. 10:18 Useful for this. 10:19 Hmm I only have one nao healer, and that's on 3.4.3 as well. 10:19 Beholder: learn to grammar 10:19 lol FIQ That's been like that for ages. 10:20 lol Thoth hands you the means to make more dead monsters for him. 10:21 FIQ: We're using the wrong xname() or whatever in the livelog, because the code came from vanilla, where gifts are always artifacts. 10:24 aosdict, what if tthe luckstone is cursed? 10:27 [nd] elagabalus (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 5440 points, T:5836, killed by an ogre, while sleeping 10:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:30 bug_sniper: then -1 luck 10:31 Tangles: use doname 10:32 but remember to unset dknown afterwards 10:32 if it was unset beforehand 10:32 so that the livelog doesn't end up affecting the game 10:35 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:39 . 10:39 LarienTelrunya: Message from Tangles at 2017-10-18 08:44 EDT: I had to revert a couple of your changes to get menucolors working again. Might have to have a better look at why that's broken next time we need a Windows build. 10:40 huh, 2 polytraps in the same room 10:40 ri-corpse-san: Message from aosdict at 2017-10-17 23:55 EDT: just replying to your "RNG either loves or abhors me" message 10:40 in addition to a artifact on the ground 10:40 and the downstair 10:40 that's a lotta special things 10:41 Tangles: ooh you merged it, nice :) feel free to adjust things to make everything work smoothly, since it's likely I screwed up some stuff with my limited coding knowledge 10:44 I forgot to type name something, therefore I thought it was a no msg wand, but it was that polymorph wand I picked up ;-; 10:45 [gh] Tokage (Wiz Elf Mal Neu) had athame named Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:5511 10:46 !tell neroonetrueking: argentum golem self-poly gives error regarding "strange attack of yours" when I hit something 10:46 Will do, ri-corpse-san! 10:46 I don't suppose Magicbane does something neat in Grunthack that it doesn't do in vanilla? 10:46 isn't it a quarterstaff there? 10:46 and also, YANI: #sitting on traps, even with magic resistance, will still trigger them 10:47 i.e. teleportation, polymorph, level tele, etc. 10:47 so you don't have to disrobe to enter the vault 10:47 ri-corpse-san: you just made me try to #sit, since it just so happened that my character is in a pit :P nothing happened though 10:47 (and I'm magic resistant) 10:48 ri-corpse-san: you can ^T on a teleport trap, including vault teleporters, even with magic resistance, I think. 10:48 ah 10:48 TIL 10:48 it's annyoing for incantifiers, they have intrinsic MR 10:48 so you just can't use vault teleporters (unless that works aosdict) 10:48 well, since I didn't want a segfault, a deep wyrm is good 10:48 and now I've got 3 eggs :D 10:49 ri-corpse-san: yeah, it works in nhdev at least 10:49 .... but I have no hands, _or_ legs 10:51 I like how spell memory improves by casting them here. 10:51 It's how it should be. 10:52 [slex] AmyBSOD (Cou Alb Mal Neu), 287 points, T:396, killed by an egg 10:53 [gh] Tokage (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 6623 points, T:6237, killed by a red dragon 10:54 :( I dead 10:54 used the wish on the wrong thing i think, next time I'll go for a lightsaber 10:54 [dnh] rikersan (Tou Inc Fem Neu), 62092 points, T:6896, killed by an ogre mage 10:54 good bones file at least if it leaves one 10:55 3 magic markers, a +2 silver saber, CPM and the tshirt 10:56 [slex] AmyBSOD (Cou Alb Mal Neu), 51 points, T:76, killed by life drainage 10:58 ri-corpse-san: is that gm mode? 10:59 LarienTelrunya: can you use gm mode on yourself? 10:59 yes 10:59 yes, but I wouldn't count an ascension as genuine if I were to score one in gm mode, since I could stuff my char with beneficial monsters (e.g. ones that give resistances) 10:59 well the dnh death wasn;t 10:59 this is though 10:59 I think 11:00 maybe not though I think I might hvae overriden that 11:00 * LarienTelrunya opens monst.c to look for interesting monsters to spawn 11:00 just pasted my dnh rc into this 11:00 well, if that char was started with gm mode active then it will still be active 11:00 is it "gm_mode"? 11:00 (it's a birth option) 11:00 or gmmode 11:00 ah 11:00 OPTIONS=gmmode 11:00 kk 11:01 hmm, apparently you're not playing in gm mode since the mail didn't get read automatically 11:01 weird... 11:01 visual bug? 11:01 and hm 11:01 I don't know why 11:01 can you open the options menu? 11:01 k 11:02 first page 11:02 hmm, it's off 11:02 gmmessage? 11:02 gmmode 11:02 o I see it 11:02 hm 11:02 I mean I don't mind quitting :p 11:02 gmmessage controls whether the game tells you what monster I spawned 11:02 ah 11:02 nah, by all means keep playing :) 11:02 [gh] Tokage (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 163 points, T:262, killed by an iguana 11:03 "Welcome to #hardfought, how tough are you?" "I read magic scrolls without identifying them." "Yeah, so?" "While confused." 11:03 wtf, the teleporter angered the shopkeeper?! 11:03 well fuck 11:03 yes 11:03 tha'ts a thing 11:03 he stepped on it and was teleported out of his shop 11:03 that's a known bug iirc 11:03 heh, unintended side effect of traps being able to spawn in shops 11:03 any teleportation out of shop angers 11:04 even if the player didn;t 11:04 since when is there a charging spell? 11:04 since slex 11:04 but this is FIQH 11:04 that might be why a player got killed by a random hostile shopkeeper through no fault of their own a while ago 11:04 larien: I don't even need to quit :p I'm dead anyway 11:04 ri-corpse-san: get off the level ASAP :D 11:04 or steal the shop contents first 11:04 as long as the shopkeeper's not there, the items are yours for the taking 11:04 LOL 11:05 ohey khor 11:05 what 11:05 I found a spellbook of charging 11:05 :D 11:05 a phase spell too 11:05 what the heck 11:05 lol 11:05 that's definitely a thing 11:05 100% fail rate 11:05 ggwp 11:05 [fh] BassBassKickKickBassKickKick (Luxidream) (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed the samurai of FIQ, the former Joshu, on T:12003 11:05 k then 11:05 I was not fast enough 11:05 o well 11:05 [slex] rikersan (Elm Ang Mal Neu), 2294 points, T:1496, killed by a shotgun shell 11:06 !lastgame rikersan 11:06 LarienTelrunya: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rikersan/slex/dumplog/1507921281.slex.txt 11:06 ;-; I forgot I had magic resistance 11:06 thought I could just step on the trap 11:06 and tele away 11:06 stupid angels 11:06 with ctrl-T it would have worked 11:06 that's the second variant that's fucked me over in 11:06 but that costs an extra turn 11:06 larien: didn't have time ;P 11:06 any fun roles? 11:06 occult? 11:06 angel camperstriker :D 11:06 uhh what? 11:06 uh that crashed 11:06 occult master 11:06 *** stack smashing detected ***: /slex-2.0.9/slex terminated 11:06 yep 11:07 wtf 11:07 ^ 11:07 are you still playing in curses mode? 11:07 yes 11:07 using the role selection menu in curses mode crashes the game (known bug) 11:07 not playing atm tho 11:07 ah 11:07 TIL 11:07 khoR_: FIQHack has some new spells 11:07 V - an uncursed magic marker (1:50) {2} 11:07 astral vision, charging, phase and summon nasties 11:07 It worked \o/ 11:07 you can workaround it by setting your char in the rcfile: OPTIONS=role:Cam,race:Ang,gender:Fem,align:Neu 11:08 it's cool 11:08 then you won't have to fiddle with crashy menus ;) 11:08 I'll just disable cursess 11:08 congrats khor :P 11:08 !who 11:08 ri-corpse-san: AmyBSOD [slex] Luxidream [fh] Khor [fh] Eleven [nd] 11:08 of course the bug should be fixed someday 11:08 LarienTelrunya: people like playing gameoverhack I see 11:08 slex is fun :D 11:09 heh 11:09 hold up, do camperstrikers start with -alignment? 11:09 -.- 11:09 FIQ: well done :) 11:09 LarienTelrunya: nah, well done to you ;) 11:09 camperstriker starting alignment is 0 11:09 FIQ: I meant because you managed to get players to flock to your variant 11:10 I meant of yours :D 11:10 wat 11:10 *to 11:10 of all the things I could be missing 11:10 how is indentify one of them 11:10 wait, fiq told me Im a priest and I can write stuff 11:10 lets see 11:10 not 100% of the time 11:11 but you have a success rate bonus 11:11 the chance of writing is in FIQHack XL/50 11:11 FIQ: oh you meant that slex is gameoverhack :P 11:11 for priests, effective XL is +20 11:11 so at XL30 they can write things 100% of the time 11:11 no luck involved? 11:11 no 11:11 dw 11:11 im a pro 11:11 watch me 11:12 c - an uncursed spellbook of identify. 11:12 :] 11:12 remember that the identify spell was nerfed in FIQHack 11:12 but this shouldn't be a major issue for you 11:12 since IIRC priests reach expert in divination 11:12 I cannot remember something I never knew 11:12 where it works like vanilla 11:12 wait what 11:12 identifying a magical item 11:12 khoR_: at unskilled/restricted, it only gives base type 11:12 doesnt tell me what it has 11:12 ja pierdole 11:13 at basic it gives enchantment, wand charges and properties 11:13 at skilled it gives BUC too 11:13 at expert it gives fooproofness 11:13 cast identify 5 more times 11:13 and you'll reach basic 11:13 then you can ID properties 11:14 detect unseen is more points 11:14 oh wait, ID is only level 2 now 11:14 so you need 6 casts 11:14 err 7 11:14 khoR_: yeah that works 11:15 larien: have to go afk, can't play atm 11:15 ah; well I'll be here for a while 11:15 great 11:15 orcish helm of aggravate monsters 11:15 what a premium item I have right there 11:15 xD 11:15 that can be useful 11:15 if you want monsters to find you 11:16 hothraxxa has used it on purpose at times 11:16 in FIQHack 11:16 hothraxxa sucks 11:16 he left me bones with drained magic marker 11:16 he is the worst 11:16 ; ( 11:16 lol 11:16 (yes I'm still in that game) 11:17 aosdict: If it's in the quest text file, then yes; but if he's not one of the quest specials (leader, friendly, nemesis) then he probably just uses standard sounds.c monster speak code, and I likely didn't special-case that. 11:17 brb 11:17 solving my ring problems 11:17 Nah, this would just be standard priest speech. 11:18 "Gold good. Big god like gold. You give me gold?" 11:18 [slex] AmyBSOD (Cou Alb Mal Neu) shouted "ElberethElberethElberethElberethElberethElberethElberethElbereth", on T:252 11:18 * FIQ turns to flee! 11:18 What the hell was that 11:18 aosdict: Heh, that'd be cool. 11:18 heh, annoyingly they keep coming back and the dust-Elbereths keep eroding 11:18 But it'd have to be special-cased on being in the quest branch and being priest-role. 11:19 wtf? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/EgD9VsLQ/ 11:19 LarienTelrunya: ElberethElberethElberethElberethElberethElberethElberethElberethElberethElberethElberethElberethElberethElberethElberethElberethElberethElberethElberethElberethElberethElberethElberethElbereth 11:19 jonadab: yes 11:19 I do not see a problem with this 11:19 what is the harm of adding more special cases 11:19 that did 110 damage to me 11:19 aosdict: Oh, it's not a _problem_; NetHack is mostly special cases. 11:19 that's a master zap 11:20 why did that wand zap hit me 7 times 11:20 Elronnd: heh, that might be longer than the maximum permissible engraving length 11:20 Well, actually, no, NetHack is mostly exceptions to the special cases. 11:20 wirix was a player monster I presume? 11:20 shopkeeper 11:20 but still 11:20 ah 11:20 7 times! 11:20 yeah 11:20 they get expert wands 11:20 be careful 11:20 that wand was blessed too 11:20 nice suicide though 11:21 well now I have all the rings in the game probably 11:21 :P 11:21 YASI: shopkeeper role where your whole adventure's goal is to get cool loot, including the Amulet of Yendor, to stock your shop. The quest leader is One-Eyed Sam. 11:21 khoR_: a master zap creates an explosion on first hit which is followed by d5 additional ones 11:21 so as usual 11:21 I got the worst luck 11:21 and the shopkeeper highrolled 11:22 [nd] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 2581 points, T:5204, killed by a dwarf 11:22 khoR_: no, you could've *died* 11:22 a master zap does up to 216 damage without resistance 11:22 Thats retarded 11:22 1d5+1 explosions with 6d6 damage 11:23 khoR_: Not my problem if people pester shopkeepers 11:23 Treat them with respect and you'll be fine 11:23 If he didn't want ppl to pester him he shouldnt have so much shiny stuff 11:23 his fault 11:24 hm 11:24 I got ring of conflict 11:24 is that changed in FIQH? 11:24 -!- Tokage has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:24 yes 11:24 only melee combat is conflicted 11:24 no ranged combat 11:25 do you asign spells to certain letters? 11:25 it's too much of a coincidence that Dig is d and Identify is I 11:25 yes 11:26 thats nice 11:26 :D 11:29 ok should be ready for the castle 11:29 will continue tomorrow 11:29 I have no clue what to wish for tho 11:29 and I already broke wishless 11:30 anyway, cya 11:30 :3 11:30 see you 11:30 aosdict: And your quest nemesis is Rodney, and he's attended by the other three riders? 11:30 what? why? 11:30 why would Rodney hate shopkeepers 11:30 he already hates you 11:31 Oh, wait, you're right. 11:31 Your nemesis would be the High Priest of Moloch. 11:31 YASI: the shopkeeper quest nemesis is the Master of Thieves. Again. 11:31 Because he's the one with the Amulet. 11:32 jonadab: your *adventure* is to get the Amulet, not the quest. 11:32 aosdict: haha, as if Master of Thieves wasn't recycled enough 11:33 master of thieves should have a stealing attack 11:33 that can choose what to steal 11:33 that's an actual yani ^ 11:34 [slex] AmyBSOD (Cou Alb Mal Neu), 2271 points, T:801, killed by a hugging boot 11:37 larien: what's "cou"? 11:37 alb is albae I assume 11:37 ah, couriers? 11:38 yeah; they're a very difficult role 11:39 ye 11:39 makes sense 11:39 intrinsic conflict means running out of food all the damn time early on 11:39 courier's conflict + albae's hatred 11:39 but yea hunger 11:39 Albanian Courier? 11:41 albae are supposed to be mystic elven-like beings that murder people and then create sculptures from their victim's corpses or something 11:41 (sculpture building not included in slex :D) 11:41 why not? we already have statues... 11:48 sounds like something from GoT 11:50 what's heavily cursed do again? 11:50 66% chance to resist remove curse ri-corpse-san 11:50 thanks 11:50 good slex geno? 11:51 from throne, so uncursed 11:51 LarienTelrunya, that's a question for you 11:51 4chan horse 11:51 fuck them they killed me last time 11:51 It doesn't matter, since something else will kill you anyway. 11:51 usually I pick disenchanters 11:51 hm good choice 11:51 this is a nice throne 11:51 aquirement too 11:51 ANOTHER GENO 11:51 can you genocide truck ghosts? 11:51 no ;-; 11:52 no 8 11:52 what is this throne 11:52 does slex have magic ones 11:52 I've gotten acquirement, identify an item, 2 genos, and now unrestrict bow + 1 level 11:52 another genocie 11:52 LarienTelrunya, also can you genocide beholders? 11:52 heh, I dunno; arch-lich? 11:53 done 11:53 and no behodlers 11:53 it's gone now lol 11:53 why can't he genocide truck ghosts and beholders? 11:53 slex thrones are generally better than vanilla ones, i.e. they're much more likely to give a couple effects before disappearing 11:53 8 is ungenoable 11:53 what about beholders then? 11:53 I think it's a unique in slex 11:53 as the neu quest boss? 11:54 the unique beholder cannot be genocided 11:54 also, what are these msgs 11:54 incoming msgs for player 1 11:54 one was from rodney 11:54 probably a loudspeaker on the level, which blurts out fake messages 11:54 another from anatasia steele >_> 11:54 LarienTelrunya, what happens if you genesis a genocided monster? 11:54 bug_sniper: I think it will be spawned anyway 11:55 anyway, afk now (eating) 11:55 > the best non-slex variants are grunt fourk and dnethack 11:55 good choices 11:55 > The message is from 'Famine'. It reads: 'Just 11:55 thinking about you already makes me hungry. Come to the Astral Plane now so I 11:55 can make you lose the game one step away from the high altar!'- 11:56 LarienTelrunya, looks like you've made grey stones terrible things to pickup, even for players looking for a luckstone 11:56 yes 11:56 and BUC identifying it no longer helps for loadstones, as healthstones exist 11:56 same deal for players looking for a healthstone 11:57 with all these cursed stones making identifying one produce almost no progress 11:58 :D no more cursed dagger 11:58 now I have a silver +1 dagger 11:58 bug_sniper: yet along the fact that identifying it may not even work :P 11:58 by the way, heavily cursed and prime cursed loadstones exist in slex 11:59 EPI: in addition to gray loadstones, there are also loadstones in all the other gem colors. 11:59 Also, loadgold. 11:59 WHY IS THERE A PRIESTESS OF MOLOCH HERE 11:59 LARIEN PLEASE DONT LEAVE 11:59 I NEED HELP 11:59 at least you can spend that loadgold 11:59 e - a yellow gem. You rebalance your load. Movement is difficult. 11:59 black metroid, priestess of moloch, spellcasting unique hill giant 11:59 ri-corpse-san, point your curser on it 12:00 and the stairs are blocked 12:00 for 8 whole turns 12:00 and I have AC 10 and my weapon is a +1 dagger 12:00 is it peaceful? 12:00 no 12:00 ok, don't go near it then 12:00 uh 12:00 that's easier said than done 12:00 escpaed tho 12:01 this level only has 2 water demons 12:01 ezpz 12:01 >_> 12:01 lol found a grey stone 12:01 kick tested 12:01 it's good 12:01 leave it alone 12:02 nah 12:02 I'm going for the lulz 12:02 heh, where is the priestess of Moloch? 12:02 I don't know 12:02 level below me 12:03 with hrugnir? 12:03 spellcasting hill giant 12:03 # - a cursed grey stone called unidentifiable cursed garbage 12:03 > the breton scores an own goal 12:03 ow lol 12:03 uhh, this will be difficult; better hope the mines downstair is somewhere on dlvl2 12:03 why is the game making fart jokes 12:04 ri-corpse-san, you can phase door away from tough monsters 12:04 true 12:04 I'm not sure if that dlvl3 allows teleportation 12:04 source code says it's noteleport 12:05 shrug 12:05 hold up 12:05 well, the priestess shouldn't leave her temple, so just don't step into the temple? 12:05 why is dlvl 3 no tele 12:05 >_> 12:05 it's a clone of your quest home level 12:05 larien: did you miss the spellcasting unique hill giant? 12:05 what 12:05 I don't like my home level 12:06 Amy, maybe genesis something with a wand of digging 12:06 >_> 12:06 yes 12:06 so that he can deg past the level 12:06 well the hill giant will be dangerous I guess 12:06 ya dont say 12:06 ooh pickaxe 12:06 Hill giant with a wand of disintegration? 12:06 okay, now you can get a wand of digging; good luck! I'm off eating again 12:06 likely 12:06 have fun! 12:07 also does H respect elbereth? 12:07 I have a wand of lightning 12:07 LarienTelrunya: Have you ported over Brogue-style zombies yet? 12:07 LarienTelrunya: have you ported over GruntHack-style zombies yet? 12:07 wow 12:07 Luxidream stepped on a polymorph trap in FIQHack 12:08 5 steps away from the downstairs to Kaen's level 12:08 Elronnd: Brogue zombies are much more terrifying than Grunt zombies. 12:08 [slex] rikersan (Cam Ang Mal Neu), 2218 points, T:1017, killed by a kick in the nuts 12:08 the digging nymph used her wand 12:08 to dig dow 12:08 and lost his armor 12:08 down 12:08 >_> 12:08 (They have about three times as many hitpoints as you, for one thing.) 12:09 and lighting them on fire is never a good choice 12:09 just light them on fire and run away 12:09 simple 12:09 I died so many times trying that 12:09 jonadab: oh? 12:09 * Elronnd has never played brogue seriously 12:09 well, I did 12:09 but I didn't get very far 12:09 they emit noxious gas that make both them and you slow when within it 12:09 it's flammable 12:09 FIQ: Yeah, hopefully nothing delays you as you flee for 200+ turns while the zombie _slowly_ burns to death and wants to hug you in nauseating fire meanwhile. 12:09 so setting them on fire will make them into living fireballs 12:10 but they burn _forever_ 12:10 ^ 12:10 not literally but a lonng time 12:10 it does like 3 dmg per turn or smth to the 12:10 them 12:10 but it's so fun 12:10 and they're tanky af 12:10 and totally risk-free 12:10 You generally have to flee up to the previous level. 12:10 I sometimes wonder, how does light work in nethack 12:10 how is the air just...lit? 12:10 are there lamps? Is the air radiant? 12:10 they have 80 hp 12:10 elronnd: magical air 12:10 also hydrates you very well 12:11 so you don't need to drink 12:11 Elronnd: The bad thing about light in NetHack is that it's binary. On or off. 12:11 There's no "dimly lit" 12:11 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 12:12 brogue doesn't really have that either I think 12:12 it's just a visual effect 12:12 I was going to make a rogulike where the air could be foggy 12:12 darkness exists though 12:12 Wait, aren't darker areas better for hiding in Brogue? 12:12 yes 12:12 increases stealth iirc 12:12 and when it was foggy, it made you see things that are far away less well 12:12 You can see your stealth radius go up and down as you walk around, into darker and lighter areas. 12:12 whether a square is lit or not is binary. But whether or not you see it is a float 12:13 This game is just weird. 12:13 what's worng now lol 12:13 3rd key of neutrality did not drop either 12:13 alhoon? 12:13 yep 12:13 yeah I've had bugs with that 12:13 killed it 12:13 congrats lol 12:13 dropped nothing. no book, no key 12:13 the third one doesn't drop a book 12:13 only the second 12:13 you can grab another book from illurien in the neutral quest 12:13 check for downstairs in the golem forest sections (stairs, not portals) 12:14 but then he will start harassing, no? 12:14 illurien is a girl iirc 12:14 and yes 12:14 but she's really easy to kill 12:14 really really easy >_> 12:14 Master Kaen claims another soul 12:14 s'okay. she can keep it 12:14 lel 12:15 she also doesn't summon/curse items 12:15 just like chthulu can keep my assault rifle thank you very much 12:15 only cast agg monster 12:15 why does he have it 12:15 >_> 12:15 cause some dickhead mind flayer took it off me with a bullwhip 12:15 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-10-18%2016:14:05,%20BassBassKickKickBassKickKick-Mon-Hum-Mal-Law,%20died.txt 12:15 ah 12:15 I blessed geno h when I get to his level generally 12:15 so I can grab !oFH off the flayers 12:15 oooh 12:15 that is a good idea 12:15 yes 12:15 maybe I'll go back and do that 12:16 tarmunora/nero told me about that iirc 12:16 porkman: I'd say go for it 12:16 is cthulu still asleep? 12:16 no 12:16 ah 12:16 he was easy though right 12:16 hit me a few times 12:16 RIP 12:16 but since I have some 900 HP, i lived 12:16 yea 12:16 and -70 AC 12:16 lol 12:17 porkman: so have you got 3 keys? 12:17 no 12:17 BassBassKickKickBasKickKick 12:17 ...k 12:17 wot 12:17 all I got is chaos 1, neut 2 12:17 ah 12:17 so I need chaos 3, yes? 12:17 or law any 12:17 Elronnd: he has plenty of names like that 12:17 axus can be killed from range 12:17 porkman: I'd clear chaos quest yea 12:17 I like the spheres I can get from chaos quest 12:17 but don't worry about chaos 3 12:17 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/fiqhack/dumplog/ 12:17 i lack some of the resistances 12:17 just ignore sir garland 12:17 he'll greet you at the beginning 12:17 kill him there that's fine 12:17 who's sir garland? 12:18 he appears when you first enter the chaos quest 12:18 pretty easy 12:18 just armed with a long sword 12:18 but do not kill him at the end of the chaos quest 12:18 do not 12:18 why not? 12:18 he will turn into Chaos, who is powerful 12:18 isn't that the guy who holds the 3rd key of chaos>? 12:18 you should be able to kill chaos but he'll burn/freeze/shock your stuff if you don't have the resistances 12:18 yes 12:18 you can get the 2nd key though 12:18 it's easy to get 12:19 meh. I'll just kill him :p 12:19 like, you can just pick it up off the floor 12:19 >_> 12:19 all my equipment is like, fooproof 12:19 ignore garland the 2nd time until you grab the crystals though 12:19 porkman: any potions/scrolls? 12:19 in bag 12:19 does he burn inside bags too? 12:19 then yeah go for it 12:19 shouldn't 12:20 I could stash rings away... annulus is an artifact ring, so I keep free action 12:20 he will summon high-levle non-unique demons though, should be a piece of cake though 12:20 and ring of alacrity... meh, I can cast haste self 12:20 do you not have speed boots? 12:20 no 12:20 huh 12:20 I have water walking and I am going to keep those tyvm 12:20 ah 12:20 next time you do'nt need water walking, wish for whisperfeet 12:20 chaotic speed boots, #invoke for invisibilty 12:20 enchant to +7 12:20 I am otherwise prone to walking into water with dire consequences 12:21 lel 12:21 flying is good amirite 12:21 flying yeah 12:21 if I find flying I'll swap 12:21 medusa's perseus lev boots are flying in dnh 12:21 for later 12:21 there's also sometimes some on teh sunless sea 12:21 btw, it's the shield giving horrible spellcastin penalty 12:21 ah RIP 12:21 reflection right? 12:22 did you grab the +9 ones from the deepest ones? :D 12:22 silver scale 12:22 ah 12:22 I got a couple of those, will poly them into something 12:22 cool 12:22 (maybe boots of flying? ha!) 12:22 there are only 2 iirc but ye 12:22 kek 12:22 that would be nice ;P 12:22 worth swapping for sure, +9 vs +0 :p 12:22 does the black market exist in dnh?> 12:23 no 12:23 not really needed though 12:23 porkman: you playing on asc right now? 12:24 yep 12:24 yep 12:24 ninja'ed 12:24 sometimes I'm impressed that extinctioning deep ones isn't common 12:24 hmmmm 12:24 so many of them 12:24 I could just go geno h 12:24 and go back to chthulu level 12:25 do that later 12:25 go for chaos quest first 12:25 or just grab another assault rifle from the quest home if you don't mind re-enchanting 12:25 I suppose 12:25 sometimes I wish dnethack had those enchant wep/armor spellbooks 12:26 I could make SDSM 12:26 I mean, I'd go for chaos first merely because it's a slog back from the neu quest 12:26 but I am lazy so 12:26 porkman: why though? CPM is so much better 12:26 that'd give me improved reflection without casting fail rate 12:26 what book did you get btw? 12:26 infinite spells 12:26 ah nice 12:26 maybe try for illurien 12:26 nah 12:26 you can bind eden from the book of lost names 12:26 she can keep whatever she has 12:26 that grants reflection 12:27 intrinsically 12:27 but its' up to you 12:27 ...improved reflection? 12:27 yep 12:27 hmmm 12:27 wiztesting rigth now 1 sec 12:27 but then she'll start cursing my shit 12:27 no 12:27 she doesn't curse or summon 12:27 what does she do then 12:27 just cast agggravate monsters or reappear 12:27 agg monster, and then comes and /odeaths you? 12:27 25% agg mon, 25% reappear, 50% nothing 12:27 right when you were enchanting stuff? 12:27 and she'll go down to 2 lightsaber hits >_> 12:28 porkman: black crystal grants slotless MR and #invokes for AoE disintegration :P 12:28 I have innate MR 12:28 (incantifier) 12:28 then wand of death isn't imporatn 12:29 :P 12:29 oh wait 12:29 i have the third key of neutrality 12:29 must have autopicked it up 12:29 haha 12:30 go for chaos anyway if you want resistnaces 12:30 and the black crystal AoE death is nice 12:30 again tho, up to you 12:31 the thing is 12:31 I want 0% fail because 12:31 if I get slowign down 12:31 yes :P 12:31 I may not have time to take acid from BOH and then drink it 12:31 ah 12:31 stone to flesh may be the only way to save self 12:31 can't pray, can't eat 12:31 you can't carry acid? 12:32 i can carry it, but potions explode soon as something burns you 12:32 water walking would save you from dipping accidentally 12:32 pyrolisks 12:32 a 12:32 etc 12:32 doesn't with fire resis ;) 12:32 does too, at least in vanilla 12:32 not dnh 12:32 you mean fire resistance will make your equipment resistant too? 12:32 no, equip will burn 12:32 but scrolsl and potions won't 12:33 it's kinda odd but there it is 12:33 spellbooks are safe too 12:33 porkman: you'll absolutely need fire and cold resis into gehennom though 12:33 absolutely 12:33 and I get those by carrying orbs 12:33 fine 12:33 chaos it is then 12:37 [fh] TKirby (tkirby) (Mon Elf Fem Cha) killed the ghost of force bolt is broken, the former Aspirant, on T:1492 12:38 porkman: btw, wiztested: lizard blood also cures sotning 12:38 in case you were wondering 12:39 cave lizard? 12:39 any lizard 12:39 that included 12:39 in dnethack, only lizard corpses will provide the resistance to the spell 12:39 you *are* watching me, aren't ya 12:39 but all lizards cure 12:39 yep 12:39 hahaa 12:39 as of a minute ago 12:39 thanks 12:39 I stalk people ;P 12:39 i was about to blank it 12:39 though... it's not like I lack acid 12:39 ye 12:39 just noting 12:40 okay I'm finally back! Elronnd: no full grunthack-style zombies, but there are ones with disease melee attacks 12:40 baby/small/normal/large lizards all cure stoning 12:40 Grimlock blood is acidic :p 12:40 LarienTelrunya: You need Brogue-style zombies. 12:40 jonadab: I'm not very familiar with brogue, the only thing I know is that the developer has a gas fetish :P 12:41 porkman: TIL, didn't konw 12:41 it's cannibalism for humans iirc 12:41 so I haven't tried eating any 12:41 I just tried to blank it, and it expl0ded 12:42 so i quaffed the other one. no cannibalism penalty, or at least no msg 12:42 larien: tl;dr: tanky af, slowing AoE effect around them (includes the zombie itself), can be lit on fire for !fun! 12:42 slowing AoE sounds useful though 12:42 porkman: you'd get msg so probably doesn't apply to incs 12:42 hohum. how did I get innate polycontrol 12:42 LarienTelrunya: Zombies emit nausea gas when they move, and when they take damage in anyway. Nauseating gas slows down any monster that's in it, including the player; it's also highly flammable, but zombies have so many HP, that they take hundreds of turns to burn to death, chasing you the whole time. 12:42 Setting everything on fire. 12:43 what did I drink that gave me it... 12:43 You do NOT want to set a zombie on fire and then retreat through a swamp. 12:43 Because boom, you die. 12:43 Horribly. 12:43 porkman: silver key 12:43 heh, well there are no brogue-style gases in nethack 12:43 grants polycontrol and telecontrol 12:43 wen eta brogue fourk :P 12:43 Heh. 12:43 Touche. 12:44 and while such a concept might fit into slex, the implementation would be hell and very probably beyond my skills 12:44 ask elronnd nicely? 12:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:45 LarienTelrunya: FIQHack zombies has an AoE attack that c ould be flavoured as a gas 12:45 well for the time being there's more than enough other things on slex's to-do list anyway 12:45 allthough it isn't really one visually 12:45 larien: like what? more shoes? 12:45 :p 12:45 (which keeps zombie illness from dissipating naturally, and revives things) 12:46 You should port AT_AREA :P 12:46 26 diluted potions of gain level 12:46 yes 12:46 you're level 30 tho 12:46 >_> 12:46 I'm going to drain to 1 12:46 ri-corpse-san: hahaha, probably :D 12:46 ah 12:46 and re-distribute skillz 12:46 hp and pw would be nice 12:46 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 12:46 don't use the potions 12:46 just kill stuff 12:46 exp gain is really fast 12:46 when drained 12:47 or use full healing probably actually 12:47 but still, the option is there 12:47 I have 857 HP and 21101 max power 12:47 how much hp was from full healing tho :P 12:48 ...most of it 12:48 make sure your constitution is 25 12:48 when draining? 12:48 fiq: he's already wished for 3 artis 12:48 then gain level will give more PH generally I think 12:48 no 12:48 *HP 12:48 it applys retroactively 12:48 no, constitution affects max HP as you swap it in and out 12:48 ^ 12:48 ri-corpse-san: things is different at XL30 12:48 *are 12:48 then con still matters 12:48 dnh is weird :P it applies 12:48 since 30 is the max 12:49 well yes, if you drunk at 30 12:49 fiq: oh it works fine wiht lvl 30 >_> my lvl 30 ogresmasher monk can tell you 12:49 but how do I get con 25 12:49 ogresmasher in off-hand iirc 12:49 or main hand 12:49 that's the only way 12:49 ri-corpse-san: no you don't understand 12:49 I mean 12:49 not gonna waste a wish on that piece of crap 12:49 ah I do see 12:49 i have a +2 ring of gain con 12:49 it can't change things retroactively retroactively if you "gain" levels when already at XL30 12:49 where is this game happening and can I watch? 12:49 can probably charge it 12:49 bouquet: ascension.run 12:49 so con still matters at that point 12:49 fiq: yeah I see what you mean 12:50 the bonus from drinking !oGL at lvl 30 is higher with 25 con 12:50 good idea 12:50 ...apparently not 12:50 must have polypiled it 12:50 RIP 12:50 is 16 dex max you can do? 12:50 that seems 2 lower 12:50 ah 12:50 being an orc also works 12:50 lol 12:50 porkman: he has a point 12:50 you might want to consider polymorphing into an orc of the ages of stars 12:51 an orc? 12:51 would give max attributes iirc (at lvl 30), 2 weapon attacks 12:51 like, to gain what 12:51 porkman: dnethack orcs increase up to 25/25/25 stats at lvl 30 12:51 3 more HP per potion? 12:51 "orc of the ages of stars" is also a broken polyform 12:51 not as broken as others but eh 12:51 will that smash my armor? 12:51 nope 12:51 medium sized 12:52 anyway, i'll drink those gain levels after I've done chaos and such so 12:52 you'd need an amulet of unchaging though 12:52 will think about it later 12:52 why? 12:52 permapoly 12:52 I'm not familiar with dnethack, but that HP and Power is off the charts. 12:52 why would I wanna be permapoly 12:52 because it's broken 12:52 it deals roughly 3x dmg iirc 12:52 or smth 12:52 gain level will still apply HP to your original form if polymorphe 12:52 d 12:52 bouquet: he's a race called "incantifier", they consume power instead of nutrition 12:53 so they have much much higher max power 12:53 bouquet, the HP is attainable with full healings which I polypiled for 12:53 and the hp is just quaffing a lot of full healing 12:53 the Pw, is racial 12:53 ye 12:53 Got it. 12:53 you burn that instead of nutrition 12:53 I do the same to max my HP, but I usually stop short of 400! 12:53 but you can only eat magic items 12:53 Chthulu hits for 400 12:53 I wanted to make sure I could survive a hit or two 12:53 Ah, cthulhu. 12:53 He's a dick. 12:53 bouquet: he's different in dnh 12:54 no tentacles 12:54 specially cause im going to go back and get MY GUN BACK from him 12:54 does he reconstitute after a few turns like in UnNethack? 12:54 ITS MY GUN DAMNIT 12:54 lol 12:54 bouquet: yep 12:54 he deals a 100d4 (100-400) dmg melee attack though 12:54 and it pretty much never misses 12:54 also, AC -70 12:54 eating rings of protection iz gud for joo 12:55 did you poly into a xorn to do so or is there another way to eat them in dnet? 12:55 incs can eat rings and amuelts 12:55 like xorns 12:55 incantifiers can eat any ring 12:55 not just metal ones 12:55 but all rings/amulets, not just rock/metal 12:55 wow. 12:55 incs are OP >_> 12:55 for nutrition, but can gain intrinsics from it 12:55 wow, how do you ever kill chthulu? 12:55 he's really slow 12:55 and ranged attacks work 12:56 with a gun 12:56 Ah, I see 12:56 except 12:56 you need to blindfold yourself though 12:56 THEY BULLWHIPPED IT OUT OF ME 12:56 Last time I fought him I hovered over lava and zapped with a wand of death 12:56 he petrifies too? jeez 12:56 -!- Jendic has joined #hardfought 12:56 nope 12:56 amnesia 12:56 wow 12:56 lol 12:56 passive though like medusa 12:56 no, but just looking at him will amnesia you 12:56 neko: if you don't also have sustain ability it drains 1d10 wisdom 12:56 per turn 12:56 that's pretty rough 12:56 >_> 12:56 yep 12:56 *permanent* drain 12:56 yes 12:56 Hmmm. That's actually terrifying. 12:56 yes 12:56 AND HE COMES BACK? 12:56 yes 12:56 what?? 12:57 infinitely 12:57 he's slow though, but he does warp 12:57 but only on his level 12:57 he randomly teleports next to you, too 12:57 does he follow you up stairs? 12:57 he would 12:57 god no 12:57 but you can outrun him 12:57 not hard 12:57 iirc his speed is 3 >_> 12:57 if he could go up stairs you'd never survive 12:57 he's slow as fuck, but sometimes gets a few turns in where he turbocharges in speed 12:57 he can I think, he's an & 12:57 almost killed me 12:57 but still 12:57 I AM GOING BACK. THAT IS MY GUN HE HAS 12:58 DIED: dgoddard (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 29049 points, killed by a white unicorn on hardfought 12:58 tl;dr; dnethack counters OP things with OP players 12:58 *MY* gun 12:58 what's nottheoracle report? 12:58 porkman, I think you need to sit down for a bit 12:58 just meditate or smth 12:58 TROPHY: dgoddard now holds the "Who Wants to be a Killionaire?" 12:59 &help 12:59 &ping - ping! 12:59 &time - Get time remaining 12:59 ¬ify - Send message to tournament staff 12:59 &lastgame/&lastasc - dumplogs from last game for player/server 12:59 &scores - Link to scoreboard 12:59 &servers - List of servers where you can play 12:59 &help - This help. 12:59 oh is that dev/null/nethack bot 12:59 porkman: you know the silver key branchports right 13:00 yep 13:00 how do you think I got out of chthulu's lair 13:01 cursed gain level? 13:01 or the stairs 13:01 I've used both 13:01 And he carries the amulet... I mean, it makes sense 13:01 not in dnh 13:01 he doesn't carry anything :p 13:01 [slex] AmyBSOD (Cou Alb Mal Neu), 1757 points, T:679, killed by a dagger 13:02 sleep resistance also times out, just fyi porkman 13:03 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 13:04 waitaminute... this is the castle 13:04 what about it 13:05 how many levels did I just fall down from that hole 13:05 lol 13:05 shrug 13:06 -!- Tokage has joined #hardfought 13:07 f*cking amnesia 13:07 yes 13:07 you have stormhelm on, right? 13:07 nvm, blessed geno h would work 13:07 Yeah, I have stormhelm on 13:08 but why? does that block mind flayers? 13:08 no 13:08 but crystal helms do 13:08 and so do plasteel ones iirc 13:08 I was trying to remember whether you had stormhelm, otherwise you could swap your helmet out 13:09 but if you blessed geno h only 3 other things cause amnesia iirc, all rare (cthulu, some unique, and lethe elementals) 13:10 btw porkman, what graphics do you have on atm? 13:11 IBM 13:13 :D I was setting my terminal to cp437 13:13 now I can actually see your graphics :p not ?s 13:15 Spookunora: is aldinach currently in a game? 13:15 *enabled in-game 13:15 a tinning kit (7:127) 13:15 I see him in a dumplog 13:15 but tha'ts it 13:15 hta'ts a bit excessive porkman 13:15 nah 13:16 that's 127 potions for polypiling down the line 13:16 free (well, for gold) charging from shk 13:16 true 13:16 you can also charge with the annulus >_> 13:16 but yeah 13:16 only itself 13:16 really? 13:16 no? 13:16 huh 13:16 I don't think so 13:16 I think you can charge anything 13:16 if you invoke it in lightsaber form it charges, but charges itself 13:16 TIL 13:16 I thought it was PYEC-style charging 13:16 tried 13:16 what's TIL? 13:16 today I learned 13:17 i tried it, it just charges itself so you can keep using the lightsaber 13:17 huh 13:17 but I need free action, so until I find another ring of it, it's staying in ring form 13:17 yea 13:18 porkman: also, don't try eating any other free action rings, will not work 13:18 grants sleep resis instead 13:18 yep 13:18 kk 13:18 thats same as vanilla 13:18 boring. most spells at 13-15% 13:18 LarienTelrunya: what concept might fit into slex but would have a hell implementation? I can take a look 13:18 which means I can't read to recharge them just yet 13:18 but will run out mid-chaos quest 13:18 (something with gas? Could probably retrofit the lighting code) 13:19 porkman: yeah, I always hate that 13:19 slashem lets you read them at any % 13:19 yep 13:19 to refresh if you want 13:19 I like that 13:19 think it warns you if it's over 50% 13:19 you can also branchport down to the valley, clear that really quick, and use up the keys 13:19 they don't take space then 13:20 since they're annoyingly unbaggable 13:20 hm, that'll take me a few turns and... yeah, guess that works 13:20 Elronnd: well there was the suggestion with brogue zombies, but I have more than enough other things I want to implement in slex anyway 13:20 porkman: I've always done that just cuz its' annoying 13:20 they would be zombies surrounded by gas clouds that can ignite 13:21 there's also no point keeping more htan 3 keys, unless you keep a co-aligned one 13:21 they give some score, yeah, but that's about it 13:23 hmmmm 13:23 -5 ring of gain constitution 13:23 aaaawesome 13:24 lol 13:25 now it's +4 13:25 tha'ts good 13:25 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:25 cancel, then charge 13:27 [slex] AmyBSOD (Cou Alb Mal Neu), 906 points, T:1151, killed by a monster (algolian suntiger) 13:28 larien: how do your attempts at albanian couriers go? 13:28 albae, and they're going very badly, can't get past dlvl3 13:28 RIP 13:28 this is also ironman mode though; usually some room has nasty monsters that end me 13:29 ah you're also attempting one, but without the ironman 13:29 You are AmyBSOD, a neutral male aquarian randomizer nastinator ironman albae Courier. HP: 18 (max 18) Pw 9 (max 9) AC 10 Current status effects: . 13:29 what 13:30 what are all the weird races or whatever 13:30 aquarian/randomizer/nastinator/? 13:30 oh, those are hybrid races; slex allows your character to be of several races at once 13:30 .... i lured wraiths into sokoban 13:30 and just realised 13:30 I cannot eat them 13:30 aquarian means more rivers, randomizer means random starting equipment, nastinator gives intrinsic nasty trap effects and ironman mode, well, makes special rooms everywhere 13:30 my dog just bit me to death 13:30 porkman: lol nice try 13:30 rip :( 13:30 [slex] rikersan (Cou Alb Mal Neu), 4 points, T:13, killed by a monster (healing iron piercer) 13:31 gonna set no pet >_> 13:31 atcualy, I gtg now, will try no pet later 13:31 o/ 13:31 ooooh 13:31 :D 13:31 +3 ring of protection 13:31 nice 13:31 I can eat *that one* 13:31 eat 'em up 13:31 -!- ri-corpse-san has quit [Quit: horrible internet is horrible] 13:31 real women play with pet even as a role with intrinsic conflict :P 13:33 but not real men 13:36 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2189 13:36 :D 13:37 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 13:37 hmmm 13:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v hothraxxa] by ChanServ 13:37 why can I not dip !owater into !opoly 13:37 LarienTelrunya: did you see 4534c95ab12b87e42a806578622380d9a990c888 13:37 huh, 40 people in here 13:37 since when did this channel get so big :P 13:38 FIQ: yeah; I'm planning to add a way for the player to displace peacefuls in slex one day 13:42 seems like this channel finally got bigger than the largest variant channel 13:48 -!- khoR_ has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 13:55 [gh] Tokage (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 1587 points, T:1709, killed by a small mimic 13:58 I'm pretty sure all my characters are a lot more fragile in Grunthack. 13:59 you see here a +5 ring of increase damage 14:00 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:01 yum yum yum 14:04 Why is the second key of neutrality etched, but the third one isn't? 14:05 FIQ: I figured I'd get my NH game on for /dev/null 14:05 argh, there's a gray ooze that breathes contamination 14:05 (why doesn't dnethack have weeping angel contamination breath? :D) 14:05 Porkman: all 2nd keys are etched 14:05 I thought it did? 14:05 it has no effect for roles other than binders 14:06 Now, I got rid of those pesky keys... 14:12 [gh] Tokage (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 60 points, T:177, killed by a jackal, while misunderstanding a book 14:13 -!- Jendic has quit [Quit: *poof*] 14:19 [nd] elagabalus (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 804 points, T:1173, killed by a manes 14:27 [gh] Tokage (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 90 points, T:146, killed by a falling rock 14:27 [gh] Tokage (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 0 points, T:20, killed by a jackal, while misunderstanding a book 14:27 I am excellent at this game. 14:29 Hahah 14:29 now it's a HOOA, the +9 shield of reflection 14:29 let's try again! 14:29 aaaand 14:29 +9 flying boots 14:29 I kid you not 14:31 DId I, or di dI not call that 14:33 how do you tell the server to give a message to an offline player? 14:49 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:51 [slex] AmyBSOD (Cou Alb Mal Neu), 31071 points, T:4416, killed by a monster (squad air elemental) 14:54 [gh] Tokage (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 1156 points, T:1712, killed by a giant beetle 14:54 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:12 FIQ, are you around? :) 15:13 yes 15:14 couple of questions for you... is there any point (other than failure rates) in levelling spells from skilled to expert? 15:14 I'm trying to rationalise this guy's skill slots 15:19 LarienTelrunya: hmmm, so fire would have to be implemented first? 15:19 well, many things would probably have to be implemented, and I say it's more trouble than it's worth 15:21 also, clockwise spin must be one of the most annoying interface screw traps, I think I should have a stern talking with the developer of this variant 15:22 [gh] Tokage (Kni Elf Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at him by some watery tart, on T:4248 15:22 Now I just need to get out of here with a goddamn oliphant on the prowl. 15:25 The homunculus is killed! It explodes! 15:27 -!- ri-corpse-san has joined #hardfought 15:33 Aaaaand yet another great game ruined by the fucking zombies. 15:33 nerf pls 15:33 [gh] Tokage (Kni Elf Mal Law), 9114 points, T:5393, zombified by a kobold zombie 15:33 I was level nine, had a fucking Excalibur and some good magic cancellation, but noooo. 15:39 [slex] AmyBSOD (Trs Bas Mal Cha), 10150 points, T:1362, killed by a monster (Woodland-elf) 15:47 !tell K2 pushed a bunch of bug fixes 15:47 Will do, FIQ! 15:52 Back 15:53 Ri-corpse-san: AI believe aldinach is in the game. Chaotic demon lord, right? 15:53 Fairly certain I summed him via same-race sacrifice once 15:53 huh ok 15:53 Porkman: Expert only really matters for high-level spells 15:53 reminds of of slashem genetic engineers 15:54 No 'functional' difference usually 15:54 probably only need expert for attack and matter, for finger of death and dig/polymorph 15:54 Iirc, expert-cast levitation grants flying, or maybe that was just a YANI 15:54 YANI 15:57 Mmh. It's in there, but commented out 15:57 huh cool 15:57 In the spell maintenance section 15:57 that seems like a reasonable thing to add 15:57 I guess not needed per se but useful 15:59 [slex] AmyBSOD (Trs Bas Mal Cha), 714 points, T:597, killed by a monster (freemason worthy advisor) 15:59 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 15:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 16:06 [nd] elagabalus (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 1947 points, T:3014, killed by a dwarf 16:18 ri-corpse-san: Maybe slex should have a monster who steals your shoes. 16:18 yes 16:19 but only if those shoes are not dissolved undead potatoes 16:19 the monster should say "MMMMMMMMMMMMMM such a fleecy pair of gentle-soft peeptoe high heels MUST HAVE!!!" when stealing them :D 16:20 that's a bit creepier but uh ok 16:20 [slex] AmyBSOD (Gof Ske Fem Cha), 179 points, T:471, killed by a monster (wraith) 16:20 "These shoes make [monster] want to lick your toes!" 16:28 in other news, that "Gof Ske Fem Cha" I'm playing there? I discovered that this combo cannot eat at all, due to the role and race having conflicting diets. One can only suck blood from fresh corpses, the other can only eat old corpses. And the code works by making it so that trying to eat always fails if one of those requirements is not fulfilled (i.e. always). 16:29 that's not good 16:29 [nd] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class a), on T:4727 16:29 what race? 16:29 skeleton race, goff role 16:29 ah 16:29 I didn't get hte Ske part 16:33 !who 16:33 ri-corpse-san: rikersan [dnh] AmyBSOD [slex] tkirby [fh] Tokage [gh] Eleven [nd] Rx [nd] Grasshopper [nd] 16:33 Wow, 7 16:34 Seven what? 16:34 players 16:40 also, spookunora: can you still draw the cerulean sign w/ confused warding? 16:40 just wondering 16:45 [slex] AmyBSOD (Gof Ske Fem Cha), 200 points, T:287, killed by a monster (drow mummy) 16:47 [slex] AmyBSOD (Gof Ske Fem Cha), 119 points, T:6, killed by a monster (underrated southward) 16:48 omg jonadab you and your script-generated monsters :P 16:48 ? 16:49 jonadab made a perl script that creates randomized monsters for slex, and I put a bunch of them into the game 16:49 the "underrated southward" was such a monster (their names are randomized too) 16:49 ah 16:54 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:58 -!- Jendic has joined #hardfought 17:00 -!- workimer has quit [Quit: NAE TROOSERS] 17:01 [slex] AmyBSOD (Gof Ske Fem Cha), 512 points, T:769, killed by a monster (jaguar) 17:01 oh well, enough splatting for today 17:01 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:02 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 17:02 [gh] Tokage (Wiz Kob Mal Cha), 604 points, T:1211, killed by a rothe 17:03 [nd] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 4644 points, T:5638, killed by a black unicorn 17:15 [nd] Eleven (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 73 points, T:256, killed by a sewer rat 17:18 rikersan: I believe that it is hallucinatory 17:19 you used to be able to draw w/ confused rmv curse 17:19 *warding 17:19 not sure why I said rmv curse 17:20 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:21 hmm 17:21 this NH4 fuzzer has been running through almost 60k games without errors so far 17:22 good stuff 17:22 Oh, probably then 17:22 It isn't terribly useful though 17:22 true 17:22 wards a lot of things tho 17:22 for comparision, it segfaults on test 4500ish on nethack4 17:23 jonadab: you should probably let it run on 4k too 17:23 it's set up automatically as part of the build process 17:24 however it doesn't seem to work 17:24 not ok 5180 - levelteleport,"?",genesis,"monsndx #318",wish,"Z - otyp #75",dip,wear,wield,fight,fight,cast,zap,read,drink,fight,fight,wait,wait,dip,wait,wait,wait [seed 0000005180000001] 17:24 # creating game: invalid options 17:24 for 4k that is 17:24 it spams these 17:28 hi 17:28 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 17:28 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-10-18 15:47 EDT: pushed a bunch of bug fixes 17:29 -!- Tokage has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:32 FIQhack updated 17:36 !tell ais523 "I think maybe it's fiqhack that has it so that if the bow is offhand, you automatically swap it into mainhand? :: IMO there should probably be a confirmation for throwing arrows by hand, though" FIQHack has both. The 2nd only applies to 'f'iring, not 't'hrowing. 17:36 Will do, FIQ! 17:37 @le? underrated southward 17:37 No such monster. 17:38 @@le? underrated southward 17:38 underrated southward ~9~ Underwater Sabrina (I) | Lvl: 9 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 12 | Res: sleep | Confers: nothing | MR: 10 | Generates: special | AC: 4 | Attacks: 1d10 weapon physical, 0d0 touch item steal, 0d0 tentacle wrap | Alignment: -10 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, flies, swims, amphibious, breathless, oviparous, infravisible, vegetarian 17:38 What is the difference between @ and @@? 17:38 More lenient typo correction? 17:38 @@le?aijgkoawjehgiwjb 17:38 aijgkoawjehgiwjb ~11~ migo warrior (a) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 15 | Spd: 18 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 30 | Generates: special | AC: -3 | Attacks: 1d3 sting drain str, 2d4 bite physical | Alignment: -7 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, flies, seeinvis, poisonous 17:38 @@ has a max levenshtein distance of 30 17:38 I guess so 17:39 @ has I think 3 or 5? 17:39 @@le?aijgkoawjehgiwjbawioejioajbiojewgqgiowjbawegoiakha 17:39 No such monster. 17:39 (also it's not spelled levenshtein but I'm not sure what it is) 17:39 oh hmmm it might be 35 for @@ 17:39 @@le?asdkfjasl 17:39 asdkfjasl ~5~ Andreas (s) | Lvl: 18 | Diff: 27 | Spd: 15 | Res: disintegrate poison petrification | Confers: poison | MR: 70 | Generates: unique | AC: -5 | Attacks: 6d5 weapon poison-sting, 4d5 kick displacement, 4d4 non-contacting-beam webs | Alignment: -10 | Flags: omnivore, mindless, thick hide, poisonous, nopoly, touch petrifies, stalker 17:39 !tell LarienTelrunya the underrated southward appears not to be in the pinothing yet, it must be out of date. 17:39 Will do, jonadab! 17:39 levenshtein is correct 17:39 @@le?asdkfjasl;alksdjfj 17:39 asdkfjasl;alksdjfj ~12~ soft stalk (F) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 6 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 7 | Attacks: 0d4 passive legwound, 4d4 touch legwound | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, breathless, mindless, vegan 17:40 @@@le?aijgkoawjehgiwjbawioejioajbiojewgqgiowjbawegoiakha 17:40 jonadab: You should generate the name first, then use it as seed for the attributes :P 17:40 Aww, you can't make it even more lenient :-( 17:40 FIQ: Heh. 17:40 so you can have a @pl?whatever 17:42 @@v?Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal 17:42 Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal ~25~ water elemental (E) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 6 | Res: poison petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 30 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Attacks: 5d6 claw physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: swims, amphibious, breathless, mindless, unsolid, vegan 17:42 I think I'm approaching end of line in what the NH4 fuzzer can find automatically 17:42 almost done 100k runs without errors 17:42 !tell Adeon Pinobot seems not to know about hallucinatory monsters :-( 17:42 Will do, jonadab! 17:42 FIQ: Nice. 17:42 NH4 manages 4.5k 17:42 so there's room for fixes there 17:43 jonadab: I should modify bothack so that it can play FIQHack and let it run for bug hunting :-) 17:47 waiiiiit 17:47 nh4 has a client-server structure, right? 17:47 wouldn't it be *easier* to make an nh4 bot, because you could just make an alternate client that gets data directly from the server instead of scraping tty? 17:47 yep, that would be the obvious way to do it 17:48 Elronnd: that is exactly how the NH4 fuzzer works 17:48 well, kind of 17:48 the fuzzer hooks into libnethack directly 17:48 but yeah, you could write a special-purpose client 17:48 nh4has a fuzzer? 17:48 neat! 17:48 and let it connect to the NH4 server rpotocol 17:48 *protocol 17:49 could let people watch that way 17:49 -!- Jendic has quit [Quit: *poof*] 17:49 Elronnd: the fuzzer is basically a "windowport" 17:49 I think paxed's fuzzer works the same way in NH3 17:50 -!- Tokage has joined #hardfought 17:50 A silver iron hook? 17:50 Is it silver, or is it iron? 17:50 silver 17:50 haha 17:51 iron hook is grappling hook appearance 17:51 iron hook is just an unfortunate appearance 17:54 @d?darkness given hunger 17:54 darkness given hunger (P) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 18 | Res: cold shock poison acid petrification | Confers: fire cold shock poison acid | MR: 88 | Generates: gehennom | AC: -10 | Attacks: 3d8 bite corrosion, 3d8 engulf digest, 0d0 passive corrosion | Alignment: -10 | Flags: omnivore, amorphous, breathless, mindless, invisible 18:12 DIED: bouquet (Arc-Hum-Fem-Neu), 759 points, killed by a kobold lord on altorg 18:13 Grunthack really could use armor sizes. 18:13 Any found armor's got 80% chance or so to be human-sized, and 10% for either large (fit for giants and ogres) or small (fit for kobolds). Can't wear any armor outside your size. 18:14 Dragon scales can fit for anyone: wear the scales, read an Enchant Armor scroll, and it creates a dragon scale mail fit for you. 18:14 or use dnethack style armor ideas 18:14 resize with an upgrade kit 18:14 to fit anything 18:14 including polymorph forms 18:15 Not everyything 18:15 really? 18:15 Some things simply cannot wear some armours 18:15 eg. centaurs cannot wear boots 18:15 No matter how hard you try 18:15 Could make horseshoes for them, though. 18:17 [nd] Rx (Hea Gno Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 42 darts on an altar, on T:4444 18:17 Makes a couple monsters less powerful than they could be 18:17 @d? Alider 18:17 Alider ~2~ drider (C) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 22 | Spd: 15 | Res: sleep | Confers: sleep | MR: 10 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Attacks: 1d10 weapon physical, 1d10 weapon physical, 1d1 bite drain str, 1d1 kick webs, 2d4 spit webs | Alignment: -18 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, infravisible 18:17 Hmm 18:17 Doesn't have it 18:18 @d? Priestess of Ghaunadaur 18:18 priestess of Ghaunadaur (C) | Lvl: 18 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 15 | Res: sleep | Confers: sleep | MR: 10 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Attacks: 1d10 weapon physical, 1d10 weapon physical, 3d8 bite corrosion, 1d1 kick webs, 0d8 cast clerical, 2d12 passive acid | Alignment: 15 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, infravisible 18:34 [nd] Rx (Hea Gno Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4576 18:36 the ACURR function just gets the current stat, right? 18:37 or is it the value above the average stat, like 13 18:54 !who 18:54 ri-corpse-san: tkirby [fh] Eleven [nd] 19:09 YASI: breaking a wand of wishing gives you another one that's 1:-1: 19:12 Could apply to any wand. 19:12 more useless with wands of wishing though 19:40 ri-corpse-san: ACURR returns current stat, yes 19:41 yeah I found that 19:41 I was confused about some code 19:51 -!- Porkmantwo has joined #hardfought 19:52 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:53 -!- Spookunora has left #hardfought 19:54 -!- Porkmanthree has joined #hardfought 19:54 -!- Porkmanthree is now known as Spookunora 19:54 >_> 19:55 -!- Porkman has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:00 !tell ais523 So regarding brandings and stuff. Would it be a good idea if you could set a high priority in tilesets? Something like (tile match): bgblue+1 basechar. It could be used for cases like fixing the object pile issue I was having with slashem-16 and making stair branding overriding object pile branding 20:00 Will do, FIQ! 20:03 !who 20:03 FIQ: Luxidream [fh] tkirby [fh] 20:03 mhm 20:03 "that's right, all shall know the power of fiqhack" 20:06 heh 20:06 !tell LarienTelrunya: YANI for slex: nigerian prince monster. can be paid, will absolutely give make twice what you gave him. totally. guarenteed 20:06 Will do, ri-corpse-san! 20:06 sawe there 7 ppl playing at once earlier today 20:06 yep 20:06 neat :) 20:07 k2, is it true this used to be a halo server? :p 20:07 and a cs:s one 20:07 I was reading old hardfought.org posts 20:07 yes very much so 20:07 lol 20:07 hardfought started out as quake3/counterstike server back in 2000 20:07 YASI: you can teleport dungeon features 20:07 as in original counterstrike 20:07 i.e. fountains, sinks, thrones, trees, etc. 20:08 k2: yeah, I've played it once or twice 20:08 a friend of mine has it 20:08 I only have csgo 20:08 so much history with hdf, its nuts 20:08 lol 20:08 site turns 17 on sunday 20:09 really? 20:09 congrats I guess 20:09 yup 20:09 thanks 20:09 taht's older than me 20:09 I'm not even through high school 20:09 this channel, when it was on gamersnet, used to have upwards of 300 ppl at any given time 20:09 heh 20:10 ri-corpse-san how old are you? 20:10 turning 15 soon >_> 20:10 ri-corpse-san: lol 20:10 :p 20:11 ri-corpse-san: should have a 1% of actually doing it :P 20:11 pay back twice that is 20:11 hah damn 20:11 no 20:11 the source should do that 20:11 and by all appearances look like that 20:11 you're around the age i was when i first discivered hack 20:11 but that should actually segfault :p 20:11 k2: I've been playing nethack for 2 years now I think 20:11 i was 13-14 yrs old 20:12 a friend of mine, 2 yrs older than me, told me about it :p 20:12 discovered 20:12 ffs 20:12 and my mom has stories of playing rogue as a kid 20:12 yup 20:12 buddy of mine 3 yrs younger than me showed me the game 20:12 cool :D 20:12 your mom played rogue? awesome 20:12 you should get her to play nethack with you 20:13 lol 20:13 she's not interested :p 20:13 aww :/ 20:13 my kid likes watching me play 20:13 does mauris ever come here? 20:13 k2: my younger brother does 20:13 mauris or lynn, either one 20:14 when she can start reading reliably she'll prob start asking to play with 20:14 they told me about nethack a while ago iirc (not the first friend to tho) 20:14 never seen either of those names here 20:14 hm ok 20:14 probably in #nethack though 20:14 or asc.run, they're in the EU 20:30 huh, is the wish bot down? 20:32 !pign 20:32 !ping 20:32 ri-corpse-san: Pong! 20:32 !help 20:32 ri-corpse-san: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack 20:32 !stats 20:32 !rng 20:32 ri-corpse-san: !rng thomas richard harold ; !rng do dishes|play nethack ; !rng 1-100 20:33 !8ball is the bot semi-down? 20:33 ri-corpse-san: Outlook good 20:34 -!- Tokage has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:38 -!- ri-corpse-san has quit [Quit: horrible internet is horrible] 20:45 -!- tacco| has quit [] 20:51 YANI: Walkyries always behave as if they were wearing snow boots when walking on ice (they never stumble). 20:51 *Valkyries 20:51 YANI: in variants that have mud or muddy swamp terrain, mud boots have a benefit on that terrain (it'd depend on what the terrain does). 20:52 I also think jungle boots should do something, but not sure what. 20:59 YASI: valkyries always start with snow boots -- whether they're levitation, kicking or speed boots 21:01 One terrain that would be nice to add for my quest level redesign is hedge terrain. 21:01 Bright green #, blocks movement but not sight 21:06 I suppose iron bars already behave the same way but they don't really make sense in certain contexts. 21:16 ?your sins do not demand punishment 21:19 !who 21:19 FIQ: No current players 21:19 rip 21:20 !8ball what are your opinions on microsoft email clients? 21:20 aosdict: Very doubtful 21:20 I'll take what I can get 21:35 !8ball do you like outlook express 21:35 FIQ: Better not tell you now 21:50 !8ball Do you like the windows mail app? 21:50 Spookunora: Ask again later 21:52 Beholder is being very evasive about this 21:53 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 21:53 !8ball what are some good or bad ways to connect to an exchange server? 21:53 aosdict: My sources say no 21:53 ... 21:54 aosdict, it only really makes sense for yes/no questions 21:54 DIED: k2 (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 126 points, killed by a jackal on hardfought 21:55 hardfought is a hell of a drug 21:55 for jackals, apparently 21:55 1782 hp 21:55 !8ball Will porkman ascend? 21:55 Spookunora: My sources say no 21:55 RIP 21:55 !8ball should nethack variants be easier? 21:55 bug_sniper: Most likely 21:56 !8ball is slex winnable? 21:56 Spookunora: You may rely on it 21:56 Huh 21:56 Clearly it's winnable. What is unclear is whether anyone besides Amy can win it. 21:58 slashem extended you mean? 21:58 yes 21:58 super lotsa added stuff hack extended magic extended 22:11 DIED: k2 (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 90 points, killed by a water demon on altorg 22:12 -!- Porkmantwo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:19 DIED: dgoddard (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 10530 points, killed by a minotaur on hardfought 22:21 DIED: k2 (Rog-Hum-Mal-Cha), 55 points, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph on hdf-eu 22:32 K2: I don't think I've accepted the zapm challenge yet 22:32 so why can I play it? 22:33 its set so you have to accept the challenge before you can play 22:33 and i think you won that challenge 22:33 Well, yes 22:33 But you removed that marker 22:33 Didn't you? 22:33 lemme look 22:33 Both the victory itself and the challenge acceptance 22:34 it just shows that you accepted the challenge 22:34 hmm 22:34 oh i see 22:35 i needed to kill both 22:35 ok so i removed the zapm accept from you 22:35 so next time you get a wish, you can accept and should be able to play zapm 22:36 *and then 22:36 dev/null 3.6.0 updated (main plus both remote servers) 22:38 I accidentally chose one of those sidequests and wasn't able to dig or move boulders. 22:38 I was asked on dlvl1. Can I say no and accept them later? 22:39 K2: hmm I can still play it 22:40 on eu 22:40 and on proper hdf too 22:41 i only changed it on main hdf 22:41 i didnt mess with any challenges on the remotes 22:41 you shouldnt be able to play zapm at all on main hdf 22:42 hmm 22:42 6well 22:42 I can 22:42 spec 22:42 i believe you 22:42 !who 22:42 FIQ: No current players 22:42 boo 22:42 3.6.x does not have whereis patch 22:42 oh 22:42 well 22:42 nh4+friends doesn't either 22:42 beholder doesnt track the devnull bit 22:43 ahh ok 22:43 it prob should 22:43 yeah, would be a bit confusing otherwise 22:43 with server and beholder not matching 22:43 have to be careful not to dbl spam 22:43 ok hrm 22:43 but yeah 22:43 b) FIQ zapm 91x 24 2017-10-19 02:42:08 1m 27s 0 22:43 :P 22:44 i get the 'Somehow, you cannot find it within yourself to seek the Bizarro Orgasmatron. You feel a need to return to the Dungeons of Doom To discover what you truly wish for.' if i try toi play zapm 22:44 hax 22:45 can you save game and go back to it? 22:45 one sec 22:46 rip 22:46 can't anymore 22:46 ok i see 22:46 all good then I guess? 22:46 what was wrong 22:46 yeah think so 22:46 i removed the challenge flag for you accepting zapm 22:46 or at least i thought i had 22:46 its gone for sure now 22:47 yeah but nothing happened the first time around :P 22:47 um shit 22:47 oh well, seems to be good now I guess 22:47 now its back lol 22:47 lol 22:47 but I haven't accepted it... 22:47 remote polling? 22:47 one sec 22:48 I guess it doesn't matter? 22:48 as l ong as it's properly cleared when devnull starts for real 22:48 fygar and his pookas. 22:48 lol 22:48 *as long 22:48 I guess I'm stuck with this? 22:48 bouquet: Yes 22:48 damnit 22:48 Until you complete the challenge 22:49 Or die 22:49 I have died! 22:49 this is 2 characters after I accepted the challenge 22:49 It should ask you each new game 22:49 yup the challenge stays with you until you finish it 22:49 At least that's how it worked in old devnull 22:49 it seems to be stuck 22:49 Oh? Ok 22:50 dang. 22:50 there was a way i think on old devnull, you could clear challenges through the web site 22:50 So that explains why the grue thing was so frustrating to me 22:50 since I couldn't make it go away 22:50 without permanently disabling it 22:50 or clearing it 22:51 Is there any way to clear it? 22:51 bouquet I can make the digdug challenge acceptance go away if you like 22:51 please :) 22:51 I accepted the boulder one, too. 22:51 I think. 22:51 no freebies when the tourney starts proper though ;) 22:51 save your game and log out of the server for a min please 22:51 I was a couple days ago 22:51 FIQ: of course ;) 22:52 clear all challenges assigned to me 22:52 please 22:52 bouquet you want that one removed as well? the pool challenge isnt difficult 22:52 ok 22:52 NH4 fuzzer still going lol 22:52 at 265k tests ran atm 22:52 Ya. When the tourney starts I'll actually read up on this before I accept everything 22:52 good deal 22:52 ok one sec 22:52 I was just getting the lay of the land. Didn't realize it was for realsies. 22:53 I'm using e6.alt.org in case it matters 22:54 right its not official yet 22:54 nov 1st will be 22:55 right now just play testing, working out any bugs and such 22:55 FIQ: it's rewritting bouquet challenge flags as well... 22:55 K2: Presumably due to challenge flag remote propagation? 22:55 i think so 22:56 ok one more min bouquet ;) 22:56 I'm not in a rush. I got work going in the background 22:56 Can we get the challenge prompts later in the game or do we have to commit right on dlvl1? 22:57 you have to commit whenever you do the action that is prevented 22:57 taming for waldo 22:57 eating fruit for pacman 22:57 digging for digdug 22:57 etc 22:57 if you deny the challenge in one game, can you still accept it in later games? 22:57 not sure 22:58 yes you can 22:58 ok 22:58 you can opt to ignore the challenge completely 22:58 or be presented it next game 22:58 right, and that doesn't affect your current gameplay. 22:58 ok so its being rewritten on west coast remote too... 22:58 Like if I want to wish and don't want to take the ZAPM challenge in this game, I can still wish? 22:58 the 1st wish will be denied either way 22:59 until you clear zapm 22:59 i think i have to kill them all at same time between all three 22:59 unless that was changed 22:59 FIQ: so a large portion of mechanics simply do not work until you clear their challenges? 22:59 yep 22:59 well 22:59 I was under the impression that you could ignore the challenge and play the game normally. 22:59 brutal. So I can't even dig until I accept and beat the digdug challenge? 23:00 if you ignore for current game 23:00 the 1st loss doesn't really matter 23:00 except for zapm 23:00 i.e. get wishes without having to play zapm 23:00 cuz I'm stuck in a vault with a pile of money right now and I'd love to dig out :) 23:01 ok i got em all between all three 23:01 and they ALL came back lol 23:01 aosdict: IIRC even if you ignore the challenge temporarily, you'd forfeit the *1st* action (which is kinda major for zapm because wishing) 23:01 might misremember though 23:02 what am I not seeing... 23:02 K2: the anticheat system is working against you ;) 23:02 still getting the "too scared of fygar and poogas" message. 23:03 * aosdict waits for everyone to get killed by a trickery 23:03 Just clear it :P 23:03 i have an idea 23:03 one min 23:03 the challenge is at minetown 23:04 ok i see 23:04 its Tangles synclogs script 23:04 its working too well lol 23:05 haha 23:05 well it's supposed to apply immediately 23:05 :P 23:05 it runs once a min 23:05 ten seconds past the minute 23:05 so challenge logs have ample time to get pulled over 23:05 and processed 23:05 ok 23:08 this is the script 23:08 http://sprunge.us/YfBG 23:10 aosdict: If you decline the zapm challenge you still get the wish. 23:10 err. FIQ: ^ 23:11 still relevant to me :) 23:11 :) 23:12 i think i see whats going on in the synclog script 23:12 If you ACCEPT the challenge, you are unable to wish until you complete the challenge, so you lose the wish. 23:12 even if i delete the challenge flags under every servers dgldir/devnull/challenge dir 23:12 those flags still exist in the compiled dn36_log file 23:12 which the script grabs 23:13 K2: If the flag exists on *any* server, it will sync to all the servers. 23:13 # collect differences between here and remote 23:13 cat $MYLOG $TMPC | sort | uniq -u >> $TMPD 23:13 $MYLOG 23:13 via the challenge log. 23:13 yeah 23:13 hahahah 23:14 i would need to suspend the crontab jobs 23:14 they run once a min now 23:14 ah ok. 23:14 i'm not that fast to kill all the flags and the entries in all three dn36_log files within a min 23:15 bwahaha 23:15 easy enough to suspend (or better, extend the time) of the crontab entries 23:15 fix 23:15 then reenable original time 23:15 okso 23:16 and yes.. the line will disappear from the log next time it gets recreated locally, but if it appears in any other log (such as remote ones that were not regenerated before you fetched them) it will put the file back again. 23:16 if a player accepted a challenge, say grue 23:16 no digdug 23:16 and they're playing and dying and cant ever dig 23:16 It's not really designed to rollback challenge acceptance. 23:16 and they say 'fuck this, i dont want challenge anymore' 23:17 K2: Yes you can ignore the challenge permanently. 23:17 the old dev/null, you could go on the website and kill the challenge correct? 23:17 Yeah actually that was an option in the web interface. 23:17 otherwise they'd be stuck 23:17 yeah. 23:17 i wonder if Mandevil can work that in 23:18 click 'here' to run script which will automagically do what I'm about to do manually for FIQ and bouquet 23:18 YANI: add a special "summoned" flag to monsters created by you through magical means. Monsters with this flag grant no experience. 23:19 K2: to ignore a challenge permanently, you just need to touch the ignore flag file. 23:19 and that will sync. 23:19 Tangles: yeah your synclog works like a charm 23:19 yup 23:20 so you don't need to stress about removing accept flags or anything. 23:20 all the challenge code checks the ignore flag first, so the challenge will never be offered again. 23:21 gotcha 23:21 obviously for this testing stage, it would be nice to have a way to roll back the challenges so people can do them over. 23:21 just remove the flags altogether 23:29 bouquet: see if you can dig now 23:30 that did the trick. Thanks! 23:30 no prob 23:30 thank Tangles, he saved me some work 23:31 Is it a bug that my accepting the challenge persisted across characters? 23:31 however - if you dont chown the *ignore flags as games:games, some weird things happen 23:31 bouquet no it is not 23:31 its supposed to sync across all servers 23:31 Yeah. Maybe I could script a couple of lines to do the deletion and regenerate the logs (maybe with some ssh commands included to go through all the servers) then as long as you do it between cron runs it should clean up nicely. 23:32 K2: There is a comment in the script to that effect. 23:32 yeah 23:32 https://www.hardfought.org/challenge/dn36_log 23:32 look up top 23:32 that happened because i touched the ignore flag as root 23:32 Yes. that is what happens. 23:32 oops 23:32 :P 23:32 I guess I'll skip the challenges until I'm truly ready to embark on them 23:33 ok 23:36 It happens because of the dirty way I'm scraping the output of ls -l, and using 'cut' to split out the different fields using a space as the field separator. 23:37 and, if you get different file owners in there it will pad out the different length fields with more spaces. 23:37 and that screws things up in a big way. 23:37 ah 23:38 I could do more processing to work around it, but if it's running every minute I want to keep it as light as possible. 23:38 yeah so just using touch to add an ignore flag for that player/challenge worked well without having to delete a bunch of other statements. just need to make sure to touch the file as games:games 23:39 yeah. 23:40 so the two week out reddit post is a day late :) 23:40 i lost track of time 23:40 you wanted to do the next post though right Tangles? 23:41 K2: Yes I am aware :( 23:41 :/ 23:41 no sad face 23:41 I'll do something tonight. 23:41 we've both been busy 23:42 new job is a lot of challenges. the old sys admin who left over a month ago left hardly any notes on how anything ran 23:42 and the IT manager i answer to isnt much help 23:42 Yeah... that can be intimidating at first. 23:42 satisfying though, as you start to settle into it 23:42 yes for sure 23:43 best way to learn 23:43 gonna have to brush up on my cisco router programming skills 23:43 nice :) 23:43 hahahah 23:43 or lack thereof... 23:44 last time i youched a cisco router to program it for anything was over a year ago 23:44 *touched 23:44 i'll get it though 23:44 I need to go and start putting some servers in racks. I've been waiting all day for them to unbox themselves, and they haven't even started! 23:45 uh oh 23:45 heh 23:45 ok go work 23:45 so I'll be back in a couple of hours maybe. 23:45 i'll do a recap of whats been accomplished today so you have some stuff to post about 23:45 in the dev chan 23:48 "This challenge will only be blocked until the end of the game" I assume that means until this character dies? 23:49 yes 23:54 it doesn't mention the name of the challenge up front. Is it assumed that players would know what prompts each one? 23:57 yes 23:58 with a lot of things, we've kept things the same as how the original /dev/null/nethack tournament did things