00:01 only for jumping, I believe 00:03 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:08 haha. I'm such a bastard 00:08 Advance martial arts to grandmaster. #name Grandmaster's robe 00:08 Drain life myself. Lose useless martial arts slots 00:08 Quaff full healing / gain level to regain lvl30 and other slots 00:16 Meh, I just wish for it 00:17 Too lazy to cheese it out 00:38 that level with the lots of monotons and a purple one that just resurrects them 00:39 ream through them punching 00:39 ...now i got the castle wand and I don't even know what I want to use it for 00:39 wished for 2 so a 3rd at 66% 00:39 I need some sort of other reflection so I can wear something else in neck 00:47 YANI: stairs in the upper Mines are biased towards generating relatively near each other 00:48 oh my. it blasted me, the grandmaster robe 00:48 hahahaa 00:48 [fh] MTF (mtf) (Sam Hum Mal Law), 42608 points, T:4403, killed by an orc mummy, while praying 01:25 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:43 [nd] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9585 02:11 -!- Porkman has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:29 -!- khoR has joined #hardfought 02:51 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 02:51 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 02:59 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 03:12 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:15 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 06:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 06:16 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:25 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:06 . 07:06 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-10-15 20:40 EDT: pushed a fix 07:06 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-10-15 23:31 EDT: pushed a fix 07:06 wpa2 is broken 07:06 rip 07:07 the protocol that 07:07 someone crack it? 07:07 is 07:08 mind of 07:08 the best part is 07:08 there's no alternatives! 07:08 heh 07:08 FIQhack updated 07:08 so everything is free for all until fixes are pushed to everything 07:08 if your router is old... gg 07:09 or if you live in the middle of the woods 07:09 haha 07:09 :) 07:10 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 07:21 K2: [6:02 AM] luxidream: @FIQ my save file for FIQxFIQ selfship broke 07:21 !tell K2 [6:02 AM] luxidream: @FIQ my save file for FIQxFIQ selfship broke 07:21 Will do, FIQ! 07:26 also pushed a minor fix 07:34 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:44 jonadab: does this look OK? http://home.fiq.se/solid_rock.png 07:49 I know you didn't ask me, but it looks too similar and hurts my eyes. 07:49 or if lit c orridor should be left untouched, http://home.fiq.se/solid_rock2.png 07:49 *corridor 07:50 Both look equally terrible. 07:50 khoR: This is a replacement for current solid rock 07:50 which is, one sec 07:50 wasnt current solid rock just a black square? 07:50 well not black 07:50 but not a pattern 07:50 just all the tile filled 07:51 http://home.fiq.se/solid_rock_old.png 07:52 khoR: http://home.fiq.se/solid_rock3.png 07:54 old rock looks terrible 07:54 but at least doesnt hurt your eyes 07:54 khoR: what about 3 07:58 FIQ: Probably? 07:59 Actually, what if you switch the corridor with the rock in the first one? 07:59 making solid rock the "darker" one? 07:59 sounds odd but let me try 08:00 I'm thinking solid rock as ░, corridor as ▒. 08:00 http://home.fiq.se/solid_rock4.png 08:00 yes 08:00 I know what you m eant :) 08:00 *meant 08:01 "Darker" and "lighter" are confusing here because the charset people use "black/dark" to mean filled-in regardless of actual screen colors. 08:01 Hmm. Yellow is lit, brown is stepped? 08:01 btw, that tile is what NH3 uses in their corridors 08:01 yes 08:01 white is light not-stepped, gray is unlit not-stepped 08:02 This is clearly better than NH4's use of garish blinding white █. 08:03 Actually, _any_ of these are better than that. 08:04 But really that's not what you're competing against here. You're competing against !draw_rock 08:04 yeah 08:04 well 08:04 I'd still leave the option there 08:04 but I want to make draw_rock a sane alternative 08:05 Sure, but you want to make it so some players might want draw_rock on. 08:05 yeah 08:05 this only works in unicode btw, I need a bette rsolution for ascii 08:05 *better 08:05 s/better/different/ 08:06 I think there is no alternative for ascii period other than using the old method or doing it like SLASH'EM Extended 08:06 Right, ASCII uses, what, space with white background, currently? 08:06 Which is clearly not good. 08:07 well everything did until now :P 08:07 Brown #? 08:07 jonadab: if I were to make an alternative for ASCII 08:07 it would be to make corridor , and solid rock # 08:07 What if it were space with bright black background? Is that possible? 08:07 no 08:07 FIQ see pm 08:07 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-10-16 07:21 EDT: [6:02 AM] luxidream: @FIQ my save file for FIQxFIQ selfship broke 08:07 Right, ais said there were problems with some backgrounds. 08:07 K2: thanks 08:08 jonadab: no like 08:08 that isn't even a background 08:08 Ah. 08:08 K2: downloaded 08:08 What about bright black # on black background? 08:09 youi mean darkgray? 08:09 Color 8. 08:09 jonadab: and keep corridors #? 08:09 Yes. 08:09 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 08:09 I'll check once I can figure out what's wrong with this save 08:09 ais523: http://home.fiq.se/solid_rock.png http://home.fiq.se/solid_rock2.png http://home.fiq.se/solid_rock3.png http://home.fiq.se/solid_rock4.png 08:10 Beholder: messages? 08:10 ais523: Message from FIQ at 2017-10-13 14:28 EDT: found a bug that affects all NH4 derivatives (and possibly DynaHack, I'll look into it) -- if you remove all autopickup rules, the game will immediately crash on startup 08:10 ais523: Message from FIQ at 2017-10-13 14:30 EDT: to clarify, this means that should anyone do this for whatever reason, manual intervention by server admins is needed to address it if it's on a server -- for example, my FIQtest account on N4O will now crash the client on login (you don't need to bother, it was just a test) 08:10 ais523: Message from FIQ at 2017-10-13 18:20 EDT: Is there a way to ask the client to move the cursor somewhere without using getargpos? 08:10 also will the game kill me if the char name doesn't match the save name? 08:10 because I don't like the spaces in this one lol 08:10 I know AceHack has no way to trickery; I'm not sure about NH4, though 08:11 I certainly haven't added any but there may be some in some code I've never looked at 08:11 Are you referring to the 3rd message? 08:11 What, myou haven't ported the trickery trap from slex? 08:11 FIQ: in response to "will the game kill me" 08:11 jonadab: are you surprised by that decision? :-D 08:12 Heh. 08:12 ais523: ah 08:13 ais523: for the cursor thing, tilesets sometimes don't fit the entire screen 08:13 meaning my attempt at highlighting a remembered object fails miserably 08:13 this is the only issue left with object memory, otherwise it seems to work mostly great 08:13 ais523: Counting Fourk-specific elder and ancient dragons, I'm 33 tiles out from having Slashem-32 tiles support. 08:14 jonadab: that's closer than NH4, I think? I may have to steal the tileset once you're done :-D 08:14 Indeed. 08:14 FIQ: you could probably add a couple of arguments to the API call that pauses with map focus 08:15 adding arguments to API calls isn't difficult, just tedious 08:16 FIQ: what do you want me to look at in those solid rock screenshots? opinions on the tile you're using? 08:18 !tell K2 pushed a fix 08:18 Will do, FIQ! 08:18 ais523: yes 08:19 I think all 4 are much better than the current one 08:19 FIQhack updated 08:19 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-10-16 08:18 EDT: pushed a fix 08:19 how do they react to dungeoncolors? 08:19 headed out for work see you all later 08:19 ais523: Reasonably? I merely changed the symbol 08:19 also, I find it hard to distinguish the rock from lit+unvisited (or in one case unlit+unvisited) corridor tiles 08:19 I had to slightly tweak the substitutions done since they work on the background 08:20 But other than that it's OK 08:21 ais523: I think the one I like most out of those 4 is 3 08:22 I like the wall there, but I'm a bit more concerned about the corridor 08:23 btw, the autopickup crash was apparently introduced in NetHack4 08:23 I tried to reproduce in DynaHack and NitroHack but failed 08:23 which I found a bit odd 08:23 generally such issues originate in Nitro 08:28 jonadab: tbh I'm surprised how little time it took from "no object memory" to "the game crashes all the time" to "there's still some minor issues" to "seems to work fine" 08:29 Yes, I think everyone expected object memory to be a real pain to implement. 08:29 I would never have attempted it. 08:30 well I only attempted it once I realized the entire implementation in my head :P 08:30 that's the hard part after all 08:31 and I'm quite happy with the result, and the code, moreso than mextra.c which used major macro abuse to do its stuff 08:32 jonadab: pretty much all of the logic is just a few hundred LOC 08:33 The number of lines of code isn't what would daunt me. 08:33 It's the intricacy of how it would interact explosively with the rest of the codebase I'd be worried about. 08:34 the fact that I rewrote how object detection works helped a lot for messing with object memory there 08:34 it was 2 lines 08:34 there's also 1 new line in allmain.c for object memory updates 08:34 and some save/restore logic 08:34 that's it 08:34 huh, why allmain? 08:34 is it something you're doing once per turn, or the like? 08:35 ais523: I first tried to update object memory as part of general object display code in display.c 08:35 This had several issues: the game updates the display all over the place and not just there, and this ended up running in zero-time commands as well 08:35 So instead I just run update_obj_memories once per action in the same place I do the mail queries 08:38 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:40 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 08:42 -!- nht has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:43 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 08:44 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:54 ais523: OBTW, I fixed #939 08:55 The reason it happens is because movement commands call action_complete() if done with a < or > target 08:55 which sets flags.interrupted 08:55 which isn't cleared if it turns out it was actually needed 08:56 which one was 939? 08:56 939 When polyselfed into a xorn, player must hit > 18 times to dig a hole 08:56 ah right 08:56 I didn't even know xorns could dig down 08:56 I'm not sure if they can, the title is misleading 08:57 it has to do with autodigdown 08:57 ais523: I also fixed #937 a while back 08:57 and #950 quite a while ago 08:58 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 08:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 09:02 892 should be easy: just give the Riders and such see invisible. 09:02 the Riders don't have see invisible? *boggle* 09:03 I haven't seen, or seen any player reports about, the autoexplore loop (889) in a long time. Does it still reproduce? 09:09 raisse: it hardly matters in vanilla, but it turns out to be fairly broken in NH4 where invisibility actually works 09:09 the fix to the bug in question is indeed to give relevant senses to "boss-level" monsters, the problem is just making a complete list of them and how the senses should work 09:10 on Astral, you can make a plausible case for either see invisible or amulet sense 09:10 (which reveals the location of the Amulet of Yendor, if it's on the level) 09:12 in FIQHack, the Amulet grants aggravate monster, which blocks invisibility 09:12 (as well as working as reverse monster detection) 09:12 as in "monsters detect you"? 09:12 yes 09:13 FIQ: that seems like a decent general fix; it might be a major nerf to stealth playstyles but I don't think those are really supported anyway 09:16 I added a look_at_map for looking around during map freezes and such 09:17 much more friendly to tileset users (who otherwise can't see the entire map) and text users (where some tiles are potentially ambigious) 09:19 this also makes the "nonblessed monster detection briefly gives intrinsic detection" thing obsolete 09:20 what's the UI implementation? identical to if there was a position prompt at the map freeze? 09:20 actually the simplest way to do this is just to implement a map freeze as a farlook, I guess 09:21 yeah it's a position prompt 09:24 !tell K2 pushed some fixes 09:24 Will do, FIQ! 09:24 this makes memobj work more sanely for tiles users 09:25 since they'll now actually see the object even if it's out of their current view 09:26 ais523: heh, it does make win_pause_output(P_MAP) kinda obsolete 09:26 it's still used for mimicing gold 09:27 you should be able to farlook monsters in that state, surely? 09:27 or, hmm, is gold blind? 09:27 I guess you aren't actually gold, just pretending to be it, so it's more relevant whether mimics can see 09:27 Dunno 09:28 and you're in that polyform already 09:28 But you're helpless 09:28 maybe you should be able to farlook while helpless? 09:28 that's a good point, actually, does mouselook work in that state? 09:28 what about at the --More-- prompt? I can imagine it gives overfresh data if you do that 09:28 (i.e. talking about a gamestate after the --More--, rather than before) 09:31 [nd] Grasshopper (Kni Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased rustproof +5 mitre of holiness", on T:35249 09:49 ais523: How do I fix the z-order of object piles? It isn't working in slash'em's tileset atm because the objects are nontransparent 09:49 Atm they're done in print_low_priority_brandings 09:50 FIQ: object piles aren't an NH4 feature 09:50 however, z-order is handled by print_*_priority_brandings 09:50 low-priority is printed behind most things (but above backgrounds), high-priority is printed in front of most things 09:50 and the order they're specified in the function determines relative z-order within the priority 09:50 I tried to print object piles in print_high_priority_brandings 09:50 it didn't work 09:52 I'm still kind-of opposed to object piles because it inconsistently gives information, and it's information that the player isn't meant to know remotely; it also causes some amount of UI confusion because the state of being an object pile doesn't really mean anything in and of itself 09:53 This happens: http://home.fiq.se/branding.png 09:53 ais523: What do you mean? I fixed all the inconsistencies of the NH3 object pile stuff 09:53 It now only shows object piles when the player actually knows it is an object pile 09:53 (or remembers it as such) 09:55 that's an improvement, at least (although it kind-of denies one of the most common uses for option piles, as an indirect way of seeing if a monster deathdropped items) 09:55 Um 09:56 If you see a corpse drop 09:56 You'll also see if a death drop also occured 09:56 because of object p ile status 09:56 The issue with NH3 object piles is that it queries the tile directly 09:56 rather than relying on player memory 09:56 You don't need to step on the tile to figure out if it's an object pile or not 09:56 But you still need to see it 09:57 Yes, that seems reasonable 09:58 ais523: How NH3 handles object piles is particularly obvious if you use specific object class object detection 09:59 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 09:59 FIQ: you mean that if I see a sword on top of an arrow 70 squares across a lit mines level, without having been there previously, it should show as an object pile, right? 10:00 yes 10:00 and presumably NH4 farlook would tell me that there is indeed an arrow there 10:01 Currently it just says "on other objects" because it doesn't keep track of anything but the topmost object (and in FIQHack, whether or not it's a pile) 10:01 But that's a good point 10:01 I should make it query the object memory perhaps 10:01 Since that is a working foundation now 10:05 FIQ: in vanilla it's meant to be impossible to see items underneath the top item 10:05 Clearly not anymore since 3.6.0 has hilite_obj_piles 10:06 Well it works slightly differently, but yeah 10:06 in terms of highlighting 10:12 ais523: that seems inconsistent though 10:12 if there's a helm on top of a leather armor and I can see the helm perfectly fine, why not the armor? 10:13 I'd argue it's /consistent/, just not what you're expecting 10:13 not to mention that it might not actually be a "pile" (that 20 pages of items from fort ludios surely isn't a single stack of stuff) 10:15 deathdropped wand of wishing 10:15 I love this rng 10:15 [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed 2 scrolls of charging", on T:13910 10:16 [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 tie-dye shirt of shambhala", on T:13910 10:17 [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 greased grandmaster's robe", on T:13915 10:19 [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 helping hand", on T:13938 10:21 aosdict: but it's impossible to show on a single tile what a real person would be seeing 10:22 showing only the top item may be a necessary compromise 10:22 [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 greased speed boots", on T:13939 10:22 allowing a stack of tiles to get too high is a bad idea for performance reasons anyway 10:23 a small finite number (background, terrain, object, monster, maybe a few brandings) is reasonable but not something that scales on the number of items on the square 10:27 raisse: yes, showing the top item is fine - on the map. 10:27 it might be something like "pile of armor and weapons" 10:27 if you farlook it, though, I would favor you being able to see all appearances of objects there that you would see if each object was the only thing on the square. 10:28 yes, but only on request I think 10:28 [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) killed the Nightmare, on T:14341 10:28 not that you get the whole inventory of the stack of loot every time you happen to move the cursor over it 10:28 aosdict: there appears to be an intentional decision not to, although of course a good argument could change that 10:28 [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:14352 10:28 there should be some incentive to walk onto the square! 10:29 -!- rikersan has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:29 come to think of it, this should go for monsters standing on objects too 10:29 ... apart from picking something up? 10:30 ais523: it makes no sense to me that if there's one unwanted object, you can farlook it and safely ignore it, whereas if there are more than one, you have to go over and sift through the items. 10:30 aosdict: well, without object piles, you can't farlook and safely ignote it 10:30 *ignore it 10:30 in case there's something below 10:31 This is not an appropriate place to incentivize walking onto the square; that's just because of this interface annoyance. 10:31 ais523: is there a way for me to know how nh_describe_pos was called? 10:31 whether it was on mousehover/farlook, or a player pressed "." during a farlook 10:31 if you made farlook always show the distant appearances of every object on the square, it doesn't matter if your map is rendering object piles or not 10:32 (or similar) 10:32 I want to make it query object memory 10:32 and show a list of remembered objects 10:32 but obviously not on mouse hover/farlook (except perhaps in sidebar in the latter case) 10:32 but only when explicitly asked about 10:34 found it 10:37 FIQ: you could repurpose one of the confirm keys for farlook? or all four, I guess 10:37 ais523: Encouraging players after they clear the level to go back and systematically step on every object just in case it might have something useful under isn't really good. 10:37 [nh4] TKirby (tkirby) (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 43636 points, T:4939, killed by a vampire bat 10:37 Especially if encumbrance issues means they're going to end up doing this more than once per level. Which it does. 10:41 jonadab: you can step on the objects on the way, can't you? if you're the sort of person who leaves nothing behind then you're going to end up coming back to them anyway 10:42 note that there's no such thing as a cleared level in NetHack, levels are actually emptiest when you first arrive on them 10:42 the "clearness" of a level depends on how frequently you kill monsters on it, not on how recently you've killed monsters on it 10:42 [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:14389 10:42 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:47 [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:14838 10:48 [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:14906 10:48 ais523: now I made all farlook keys do this 10:49 if this becomes annoying, I'll reconsider doing that 10:51 ais523: Think "every level on the way back up from Mine's End" then. 10:51 I'm sure it's irrelevant for objectless play. 10:52 jonadab: do you not check on the way down? 10:52 But for people who are bothered if they have to leave a spare key behind because it's a tool and thus useful polyfodder... 10:53 ais523: Yes, but encumbrance. 10:53 You _have_ to leave useful things behind and come back for them. 10:53 NetHack *forces* this. 10:53 [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) killed Garland, on T:15155 10:53 And it's no good compulsively unstacking things, because monsters stack them back up. 10:54 [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) destroyed Chaos, on T:15174 10:54 jonadab: will object memory help with this 10:54 FIQ: Possibly. 10:54 !who 10:54 FIQ: rikersan [dnh] Raisse [nd] Grasshopper [nd] 10:54 hmm, I can see an argument for making stashing impossible as a method of curing compulsive stash behaviour, but I don't think players would enjoy it 10:54 [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed can of grease", on T:15236 10:55 ais523: At that point we might as well play Angband. 10:56 (Even Angband allows a _little_ stashing, but man, your stash fills up fast.) 10:57 (I think that may be meant to teach a playstyle of using consumables at every opportunity.) 10:57 (NetHack clearly teaches the opposite, because many consumables gain you a MUCH larger advantage if you save them for a better use.) 10:58 I just hoard everything and play burdened :P 10:58 I am unreasonably paranoid about being burdened while exploring. 10:59 I suppose we could adopt the ZapM system where once you hit your encumbrance cap, every additional object you pick up slows you down more. 10:59 ais523: anyway so you don't know how I can fix object pile branding in SLASH'EM's tileset? 10:59 jonadab: how do I tiletool for dawnhack tiles 10:59 FIQ: I've given all the advice I have on the subject so far, if it doesn't work I'm stuck 10:59 FIQ: Make all the object backgrounds transparent :-) 11:00 FIQ: tileset dawnlike-16 11:00 jonadab: in general players are overly scared of burden 11:00 jonadab: right, that would only take like 3 hours 11:00 As in, perl tiletool.pl tileset dawnlike-16 show whatever etc. 11:00 FIQ: search-and-replace ;-) 11:00 I think the background colour is used inside the images sometimes, though 11:00 [1752][fiq@fiq-desktop ~/fiqhack/tilesets]$ ./tiletool.pl tileset dawnlike-16 scroll 11:00 like this? 11:01 ais523: Yes, we saw that recently in the altar image. 11:01 ah 11:01 It confused me. 11:01 ty 11:01 hm it doesn't work 11:01 FIQ: show scroll 11:01 Err, 11:01 oh wait 11:01 show GARVEN 11:01 zap works 11:01 not scroll 11:01 ok lte me try 11:01 yeah that works 11:01 The tile names for the scroll don't have "scroll" in them, yeah. 11:02 ok thankfully dawnlike objects use real transparency 11:02 whose is tiletool? 11:02 in its tiles 11:02 jonadab's 11:02 ais523: I wrote it in Perl. 11:02 It's in the Fourk repo. 11:02 what format does it read? NH4's? 11:02 The one slashem-16, dawnlike-16, and slashem-32 use. 11:02 it reads pallet-based tilesets 11:02 and prints it out on the terminal 11:03 Its major limitation is your terminal has to support 24-bit color. 11:03 using 256color approximation I think 11:03 ah, ok 11:03 I could program 256color approximation into it, but thus far I haven't. 11:03 FIQ: right 11:03 I have code to do that in another project, so I could lift it over. 11:03 http://home.fiq.se/tiletool.png 11:03 the format used for rltiles is a bit more complex as there are too many colours in the palette, also it's RGBA 11:03 BUt it's not like terminals that support 24-bit color are hard to find. Except on Windows, and even there there's MobaXterm. 11:04 ais523: It reads the source, not the .nh4ct 11:04 So yes, it doesn't do png-based ones like rltiles and geoduck. 11:04 Gotta break out the Gimp for those. 11:04 thankfully RLTiles already has object piles 11:04 jonadab: you can tilecompile the nh4ct back into source form 11:05 so I don't need to become an artist for that 11:05 ais523: Oh? 11:05 (although if you do that on rltiles the result will be rather large) 11:05 Yeah. 11:05 and adding altar colors should just be a pallet swap 11:05 tilecompile is bidirectional 11:05 Might be useful to do that for geoduck. 11:05 Because it's kind of nice to be able to use version control. 11:05 As it stands now, if I do things on multiple branches that involve the .png tilesets, I have to be _really_ careful. 11:06 huh 11:06 dawnlike already has a tile for astral altars 11:06 Oh, interesting. 11:06 not for different alignments outside astral though 11:07 Ah, the astral altar isn't bloody :-) 11:07 I kind of like that, actually. 11:08 Evil Patch Idea: offering a corpse on a high altar contaminates it; this angers the altar's diety and converts the altar to a mundane (non-high) one. 11:08 apparently vlad has an astral tile in dawnlike 11:08 Astral Vlad? 11:09 Huh. 11:09 tile 761 (sub astral Vlad the Impaler) 11:09 That's weird. 11:10 I wonder what would make sense for alignment altars in dawnlike 11:11 Hmm. 11:11 evil patch idea: some monsters have an attack that makes a real amulet into a fake one, with no message; this works even in the Planes 11:11 Ouch. 11:11 slex has an ascension time limit 11:12 on around 200k turns 11:12 Isn't it randomly rolled at game start and kept secret from the player? 11:12