00:02 [nd] Jendic (Val Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first item, on T:7558 00:03 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:15 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 00:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 00:15 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:27 -!- Guest7571 is now known as irina|log 00:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v irina|log] by ChanServ 00:34 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 00:35 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:6911 00:40 What do you want to eat? [beLT or ?*] ? 00:41 no, thanks, I'm not *that* hungry. 00:48 [nd] Jendic (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time by mimicing a pile of gold, on T:8817 00:53 hey, I thought that was just illusion, not self-poly 00:57 [nd] Jendic (Val Hum Fem Law), 18910 points, T:8975, killed by an ettin mummy 01:06 oh wow, an orc in the soko4 corridor death-dropped a scroll of scare monster 01:06 I can just stand on it and pick off everything that comes at me 01:07 wargs, owlbears, leocrottas 01:10 argh, amulet, I'm wearing SDSM but have no bag 01:10 but having a bag and no reflection would have killed me earlier 01:13 -!- Jendic has joined #hardfought 01:13 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12735 01:14 stop me if you've heard this one before, but I can't find the downstairs 01:14 explored the level pretty thoroughly, so I'm getting pretty annoyed 01:15 the only thing I can think of is that the northwest room has a secret door on the west or south side 01:15 or the southwest room on the west side, but that's less likely 01:16 southwest is on the way to northwest, I'll check there first 01:17 or the "cupboard" in the middle-south room is actually the beginning of a corridor (even less likely) 01:17 now if dogs could smell doors... :-) 01:17 I'd also advise you to eat that food ration 01:18 yes! a door1 01:18 was going to pop my prayer if I hadn't found the door 01:21 my kingdom for a bag 01:21 any bag 01:21 well, preferably not a bag of tricks 01:23 * raisse leaves most of her stuff in soko1 01:24 The spell hits the baby purple worm! The baby purple worm turns into a housecat! 01:25 I thought I'd zapped force bolt, not polymorph :-) 01:25 4x5 potion shop 01:25 I now have a shifter pet 01:25 this game really likes hidden pathways and potion shops 01:35 another liquor store 01:36 this one with an active mimic? 01:36 have I found bones? 01:40 [nd] Jendic (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2332 01:48 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:56 no, mimics don't mean bones 01:56 that one was awake and moving when I entered the store 01:57 that normal behavior? 01:57 perhaps something else woke it up 01:57 not very abnorma 01:57 l 01:58 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:02 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:10 -!- khoR has joined #hardfought 02:13 hi 02:13 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 02:13 Beholder: :) 02:22 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought. Please enjoy your stay. 02:23 !8ball does FIQ want to play the current slex version, and will he like my void room nerf? 02:23 LarienTelrunya: Don't count on it 02:24 see? 02:24 even Beholder knows 02:24 ;p 02:24 aww, but the void room nerf should please everyone! :D 02:24 Elronnd: I actually write those messages by hand 02:24 -!- Jendic has quit [Quit: *poof*] 02:24 -!- MTF has quit [Quit: *poof*] 02:25 FIQ: me too... 02:25 -!- Jendic has joined #hardfought 02:25 -!- MTF has joined #hardfought 02:25 Elronnd: Sure, just saying 02:25 and it's "Hi X and welcome to #channel. Enjoy your stay!" 02:26 I made an one-time exception with Mandevil the first time I did it in ascrun 02:26 "Hi Mandevil and welcome to #ascension.run, previously known as #nethack.xd.cm and #acehack.de. Enjoy your stay!" 02:29 FIQ: that's what you say. I say something different 02:29 it's meant to sound slightly passive-aggressive 02:29 ok 02:32 FIQ: What exception are you talking about? 02:33 Mandevil: nvm 02:36 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:37 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 02:40 -!- _catalyst_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:40 -!- _catalyst_ has joined #hardfought 02:40 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:44 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 03:47 -!- Jendic has quit [Quit: *poof*] 03:58 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 04:15 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:38 -!- nht has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:42 irc.freenode.#nethack.xd.cm.weechatlog:2015-07-03 19:12:56 FIQ ok I think I'll name my repository fiqhack 04:42 , hopefully I'll come up with a better name before it's ready for some kind of release, or something 04:42 yeah right 04:42 that totally happened 04:44 FIQ: Lol. 04:53 heh 04:53 there wasn't a lot of differences at all when fh was first hosted on nxc 04:53 but it did have wand rebalance and monsters casting player spells 04:54 and CM spam :P 04:54 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:55 also kerio claiming I was cheating in junethack 2016 due to fixing major bugs 04:56 like a certain scroll of earth bug 04:58 -!- LarienTelrunya_ has joined #hardfought 04:59 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:59 -!- LarienTelrunya_ is now known as LarienTelrunya 04:59 FIQ: it's not too late to rename it to gameoverhack, which has a nice ring to it IMHO :) 05:00 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 05:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 05:01 Yeah, that would be a fitting name for slex 05:02 * elenmirie wishes she'd joined early enough to hear the fitting name for slex 05:02 gameoverhack 05:03 lol, yes fitting! 05:04 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 05:06 It was actually LarienTelrunya saying that was the fitting name for FIQH and me turning it arround. 05:06 But I'm on the quest on my second game after not playing for months 05:06 so it doesnt seem like that gameovery of a variant to me. 05:07 And my first one died to an edge case 05:07 khoR: LarienTelrunya has been calling it that since a monster genocided her due to a bug 05:07 Well, when I got to FIQhack's quest in this year's Junethack, a samurai player monster read a scroll of genocide and wiped me out, thus gameoverhack. There was literally no way to prevent that. 05:07 (The bug has been fixed since) 05:07 LarienTelrunya: But SLEX contains no bugs... 05:07 I have genocided liches for years 05:08 its about time they hit back 05:08 :P 05:08 Entered the quest goal level, walked a few steps and "Do you want your possessions identified?" 05:08 Mandevil: SLEX bugs are disguised between all the "features" 05:08 How about getting over that? 05:08 Mandevil: are you implying something? if you spotted a bug, tell me about it so I can fix it! 05:08 I got killed by a boulder in FIQHack. 05:08 Am I constantly whining about it? 05:08 oh wow I almost forgot that 2016 junethack had soldiers use the castle wand 05:08 I've ascended FIQhack twice, and I only play variants in Junethack 05:08 you dont know if you got a bug or a trap that makes it so that you dont get messages from the game anymore 05:08 that was kinda evil 05:09 I actually like FIQhack, you have to accept that it's got experimental stuff in it... 05:09 I only wish FIQ ported some dnethack stuff 05:10 other than that is just improved vanilla 05:10 dnethack has a different path... 05:10 Mandevil: I've had slex saves permanently broken due to monst corruption bugs when slex was still somewhat playable and I tried to ascend it :P 05:10 FIDhack when? ;) 05:10 elenmirie: what do you mean path? 05:10 FIQ: Tried to ascend SLEX? Hope that did not cause permanent damage. 05:11 well, it changes the flavour of the whole game... I'm not sure I can define what I mean! 05:11 Mandevil: Haha 05:11 but this was when slex was still fairly new 05:11 oh you mean goal in mind as a variant 05:11 yes 05:11 FIQ: oh, the dreaded phantom crash bug... that one sure caused me a lot of headaches, but thankfully Soviet5lo managed to find out how to squash it 05:11 well yes, but some things are fitting for vanilla 05:11 the endgame of dnethack is 100x better than vanilla 05:11 dnethack has a ton of convenience features 05:11 lol I have not got that far :) 05:11 khoR: Like Astral Plane is all new? 05:11 and it would be cool to have some of the races and roles from dnh in vanilla 05:12 well I meant gehennom :P 05:12 suggested by me (plane of water fix, con/wis changes) and others 05:12 dnh seems pretty bonkers at places. 05:12 But yeah, there's lot to like in there. 05:12 But it's... bit to sprawling for me. 05:12 sprawling is a good description 05:12 Like 20 levels of neutral quest? WTF! 05:12 * khoR google translates 05:12 dnethac is fun 05:12 *dnethack 05:13 it has some crazy stuff 05:13 You can port dnh stuff withou tporting the quests 05:13 a fair share of silly features 05:13 but some of its changes are great 05:13 IMO it has the best gehennom overhaul among variants 05:13 my beef with dnethack's alignment quests is that a sufficiently prepared character can easily stomp everything in there and the monsters are very repetitive, especially the numerous barracks 05:14 Thats nethack in a nutshell tho 05:14 LarienTelrunya: Try stomping Asmodeus in dnh... 05:14 or cthulhu 05:14 :D 05:14 LarienTelrunya: obtw 05:14 elder priest paralyzation is apparently a *gaze* 05:14 Mandevil: dnethack's gehennom is relatively good IMHO, at least the slaying of repetitive legion devil sergeants is interspersed with boss fights, but apart from that it's still somewhat dull 05:14 so I think blinding works 05:15 @d?elder priest 05:15 elder priest (@) | Lvl: 25 | Diff: 33 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire sleep shock poison petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 90 | Generates: unique | AC: -9 | Attacks: 2d10 weapon physical, 1d4 gaze paralyze, 2d10 tentacle amulet steal, 2d10 tentacle tentacle, 2d8 cast clerical, 2d8 cast clerical | Alignment: -128 | Flags: omnivore, swims, amphibious, seeinvis, nopoly, covetous, infravisible 05:15 "relatively good" please... 05:15 well, "cast clerical" probably casts paralysis too I guess? 05:15 clerical paralyzation is resisted by MR though 05:16 yes, but the elder priest tentacled my cloak of magic resistance to pieces 05:16 next time I'll just wait on the sanctum upstair until Rodney shows up, unless Chris will remove that strategy :P 05:16 I think he kills rodney in a fight 05:18 LarienTelrunya: btw MTF has played a bunch of games until ascension in fiqhack without weird desync errors 05:19 so I think it's safe to confirm the "fumble with a command and you get a desync dialog" issue is fixed 05:19 we'll see next June ;) 05:19 originated in nh4 but for some reason fh triggered it far more 05:20 hopefully people will play the samurai in FIQhack often, to ensure that samurai-specific bugs are ironed out until then! 05:20 FIQ: play a samurai in your own variant! *bundlebundlebundle* 05:21 hmm why? :p 05:21 prove to me they're ascendable and don't get genocided out of nowhere anymore! 05:21 * khoR will play samurai next 05:21 sure I guess 05:21 need to learn to play melee anyway 05:22 * LarienTelrunya still considers samurai the easiest role in vanilla 05:22 * khoR still considers priest the easiest role in vanilla 05:23 * Mandevil still considers valk the easiest role in vanilla 05:23 NORMIE! 05:23 funnily enough, when I first started playing nethack, I was doing alright with tourists but always died very early with valkyries for some reason 05:23 dlvl gops 05:24 dlvl1 gops 05:24 * raisse thinks gnome wiz is easiest once I get going (early game is horrible) 05:24 but after ~ soko, yes 05:24 also 2 smokies 05:24 woo an orc just dropped a BoH 05:24 gno wiz is arguably even easier in fiqhack 05:24 too bad you can't get used to its UI :P 05:31 why is there a troll here 05:33 Do you want your possessions identified? 05:33 [fh] FIQ (Sam Hum Mal Law), 26360 points, T:1095, killed by a rock troll 05:33 that was stupid 05:33 could have used my yumi 05:33 I kinda forgot I had it 05:38 story of my life... 05:47 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:48 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 05:50 autoswap is nice 05:55 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:21748 05:56 lol, I have a blessed -2 ring of protection 05:56 will that still help with magic cancellation? 05:56 yes 05:57 good, then I'll keep it (and cancel it when I get a wand) 05:57 :) 05:57 because I fell down a very deep shaft, from level 16 to 24, and a vampire lord stripped 4 levels off me 05:57 eep 05:57 (crawled back up and got half the levels back, but still) 05:57 I was level 13! and had a potion in my bag! 05:59 doesn't help that I have no attack spells except force bolt 05:59 basically I'm throwing daggers and when things come too close whack them with the +0 Magicbane 05:59 all my holy water is in the stash in soko because I had no bag until very recently 06:15 found an orcish helm of shock res and searching 06:15 nice 06:16 LarienTelrunya: no more wand destruction :P 06:21 heh, but it prevents you from wearing a helm of telepathy 06:33 Hmm 06:33 Reflectoban 06:39 if it were vanilla, reflectoban would mean "guaranteed ascension unless the RNG throws something polymorphed into an arch-lich at you" :D 06:46 in fiqhack, a polymorphed arch-lich is rather weak 06:46 since it doesn't get spells that way 06:47 [nd] elagabalus (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 787 points, T:1122, killed by a werejackal 06:47 FIQ: Gameoverhack? More like ezwinhack 06:47 oh, so does that mean touches of death (as spells) don't exist at all? 06:47 monsters cast player spells 06:47 so there's finger of death 06:47 but not touch of death 06:48 monsters get assigned random spells based on their spell school skills on generation 06:48 will the finger of death explode if the monster's whatever-skill is at least skilled? 06:48 a polymorphed arch-lich has whatever the original form had 06:48 just like you don't magically learn spells by polymorphing 06:48 no 06:49 sounds to me like the only instadeath that MR is still required for would then be something with a skilled wand of death 06:50 yep 06:50 well MR still helps against polytraps and such 06:50 but yes, MR demand is reduced in FIQHack 06:50 this is a good thing IMO 07:07 -!- nht has quit [Quit: nht] 07:20 Mandevil: dnh actually shortened the neutral quest by a lot 07:20 chris realized it was a bit overkill 07:27 YANI: The quest XL requirement is waived if you have managed to set the descent into Gehennom flag. 07:45 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 07:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 07:48 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:49 Interested in what people think about that as a sort of compromise on the quest XL stuff. 07:49 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:30226 07:49 You see here a statue of a healer named Grasshoppe. 07:49 Only thing I don't like about it is that you can easily levelport past the Valley, pop back up, and then down again, and boom it's cleared. 07:49 also a statue of a wizard named Grasshoppe, and another healer named Grasshoppe! 07:50 Hmm, the game stores your maximum XL reached, I think. Maybe the leader should also let you into the quest if you have _ever_ been XL14, not just now. 07:51 aosdict: how about doing it like Nethack Fourk, where you actually need to use the downstair on the valley for the "entered Gehennom" trophy? 07:51 LarienTelrunya: I think that's still abusable, in Fourk and here 07:51 because you can just pass the valley, and then use its downstairs without actually fighting through it. 07:52 maybe also require having claimed the wand of wishing on the castle? 07:52 actually, how about this: the quest is open if you have already killed Rodney, because then you're in a hurry anyway :D 07:52 raisse, grats on getting to Medusa 07:53 She seems to have a thing for me 07:53 LarienTelrunya: I like that! 07:53 :) 07:53 it would be a tradeoff, because Rodney will then harass you while you're doing the quest 07:53 Grassy: only I can't get any further because there's a master lich in the castle and I don't have good enough armor or a scroll of genocide 07:54 so need to get to level 14 somehow and do the quest first 07:54 (I'm using my -2 ring of protection for MC now but still get drained by the wraiths a lot) 07:54 two graveyard levels in a row 07:54 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 07:55 ate a couple but not as many as they stripped levels off me 07:55 !tell ais523 why is there no link to the TAS on nethack4.org anywhere? I always have to google for the link to find it :P 07:55 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 07:55 raisse, one option: if you have a scroll of scare monster you can go down to the castle by stairs and drop the scroll on the stairs 07:56 I used my scroll of scare monster for the big room 07:56 don't have another, and used up my magic marker trying unsuccessfully to write magic missile 07:56 (which I found on the next level, of course) 07:57 lol, it summoned nasties: 1 gremlin 07:57 oh, raisse you're a gnome wiz and have CoMR already yes? 07:57 yes, but that doesn't give enough MC 07:57 also I have magicbane 07:58 so the summoning is the only really bad thing 07:58 yeah 07:58 so stay on the stairs 07:58 it doesn't help that I'm only level 10 now 07:59 AC -9 (should be -12 but my cloak is rotten and I'm wearing a blessed -2 ring of porotection) 07:59 AC-9 isn't too bad 07:59 got SDSM when I was diluting a potion 08:00 find a c corpse, that'll make the castle easier :D 08:00 if there were any c around 08:00 that L might summon one for you 08:00 good point 08:01 Y - 2 K-rations 08:01 Y2K? lol, remember that? 08:02 yes! 08:02 I was working in IT gov policy at the time, and even then I never gave it too much thought 08:03 well, aside from obvious legacy issues with eg banking systems 08:03 yeah 08:04 but then the big corporates were all over it so... Y2K came and went with barely a whisper 08:04 we were already Linux-only at the time so we didn't worry but banks and shops and things were trying to frighten us 08:05 it was important to raise the issue and scare people a little, at the big-business level anyway, so that the work got done 08:05 yes, but there was no reason to scare ordinary people! 08:05 no! 08:05 some people we knew were actually hoarding food and water 08:06 lol 08:11 You destroy the invisible master lich! 08:12 also tamed an Olog-hai 08:13 I wish he was smart enough to put on the amulet of reflection I put on the floor for him 08:14 instead he's sorting through soldiers' things 08:14 yes1 08:22 argh a minotaur 08:23 and I couldn't cast sleep (or indeed anything, out of Pw) 08:23 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 232360 points, T:32463, killed by a minotaur 08:23 should have zapped it with my wand of fire, of course 08:24 of course! 08:25 *sigh* here we go again... 08:27 yay! started with a ring of poison resistance 08:27 at least one cause of premature death averted 08:31 lol, smallest armor store ever 08:31 +1 leather armour! 08:31 has only a ring mail and a leather armor 08:31 (watching) 08:31 no, that's +0 08:31 or it woudln't be 7 08:31 you;re right 08:31 and I'm already wearing +0 studded leather 08:31 was thinking sell price 08:31 oh, taht's chain mail, not ring mail 08:32 +0 leather still good for wiz 08:32 I'm already wearing studded 08:32 I've just increased the shop's inventory by 100% 08:33 selling him my leather cloak and lev-or-fumble boots 08:33 occasionally I'll downgrade from +0 studded to +0 leather to save 50 weight 08:33 2017-06-27 17:38:55 jonadab AmyBSOD\dislex: I am sure you will also be pleased to hear that I am very seriousl 08:33 y thinking about eliminating MC as a mechanic in the next version of Fourk. 08:33 haha 08:34 jonadab: so will you do it 08:34 yay magic missile 08:34 wow magic missile 08:34 snap! 08:35 heh, I do that too raisse 08:35 go back to stash your spellbooks? 08:35 (put chest/box at top of stairs/mines 08:35 yup 08:35 yes 08:36 throne 08:37 ooh, a tiny throne room 08:37 pity they're almost all kobolds, unlikely to hve daggers 08:37 PR! 08:38 yes, can sell the ring now! 08:38 I'd save it for polypiling... 08:38 where's that %&(*&#$ cat? 08:38 you can always buy it back 08:39 when you have stacks and stacks of $$$ 08:40 yay poly 08:40 POLYPOLYPOLY 08:41 ooops 08:41 gah 08:41 that happened fast 08:41 I was already afraid his majesty would kill me, that's why I went downstairs to heal 08:42 that mace he was wielding must have been +5 or something 08:42 was a good run 08:43 only very short :-) 08:43 it may have left bones! 08:43 not much interesting stuff though 08:43 we'll see! 08:43 left all the good spellbooks in the level 1 chest 08:43 what level was it? 08:43 I think 5 08:44 possibly 6 08:44 seems about right 08:44 no oracle yet 08:44 even if it was 4 it wasn't the one with the mines stairs 08:44 no, you don't get throne rooms on level 4, I think 08:44 lv5 for the throne 08:44 I noted that 08:45 gah, kitty got killed by a kitty killer 08:45 so level 6 for poss bones i guess 08:45 nvm, find new one 08:45 no, this was on the throne room level, I went back up to where the king was 08:45 my knight has a CoMR thanks to raisse bones :D 08:46 and I'm doing final level soko now - either ammy or bag will be great 08:46 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Melissa crushs something the ground. Zeome the false prophet is severely hurt!] 08:46 always glad to oblige 08:47 * Grasshopper bows graciously 08:50 I almost never die when playing knight - I think I have just one knight death on NAO, and none here 08:51 the Immortal Knightly Order of the Grasshopper. 08:52 they start with a good +1 longsword, almost decent armour, long pointy stick, food supply... 08:53 poison is a weakness, and so is attempting to mount your pony at low level & HP 08:53 lol, 2 altars on this level, differently crossaligned 08:54 shall I convert the lawful one or the chaotic one? 08:54 chaotic one is in the middle of the level, more chance of monsters coming that way 08:54 What do you want to eat? [suv or ?*] ? 08:54 I don't think so. 08:55 FIQ: Haven't decided on timeframe yet, so I don't know if I will do it in the next version, or a later version; but I am convinced it needs to happen at some point. 08:55 do it for .5 08:55 so it will be in 2018 junethack 08:55 it will be great 08:56 and by great I mean "it will be rough" 08:56 At this point, the odds that I will have .5 to save stable in time for 2018 junethack are getting slim. 08:56 It looks like it's going to be a version save-compatible with .4, for junethack 2018. 08:56 so you will host the same version for 2 junethacks 08:56 Same version number, looks like. 08:57 Though actually, I'm not hosting anything for junethack. 08:57 I don't have a place to host it. 08:57 Other folks are doing that. 08:58 Also, EPI: a 3D maze that constantly changes as you explore it: passages close, others open, out of LOS. Also, you have "fog of war", i.e., you can't remember any part of the maze you can't currently see. And there are xorns. 08:58 And it's undiggable. 08:59 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:2879 09:30 so dcss mino maze 09:30 in 3d 09:34 [nd] Grasshopper (Kni Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:16833 09:39 hm 09:41 !tell ais523 What is wrong with the previous code here? clang warns and I got some interruption oddities, but I don't see what is wrong. FIQHack 8d5073605c83f7389b251268bafd766a17a968b6 09:41 Will do, FIQ! 09:45 !tell K2 pushed fixes: bugs with interruptions, and make intrinsics timing out (like blindness) interrupt you 09:45 Will do, FIQ! 09:46 did blindness timing out not interrupt you before? 09:46 it probably did in not-fiqhack 09:46 but fiqhack rewrote how trinsics was handled years ago 09:49 that reminds me 09:49 what were your thoughts on ais' tower of madness idea? 09:49 (the tower itself, not its positioning) 09:49 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:51 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 09:52 nice patch idea: sickness resistance should protect you from potions of sickness 09:53 hmm, yes, good idea 09:54 except sickness resistance is incredibly hard to come by 09:54 EPI/YANI: a cursed potion of sickness will not poison you; instead it will give you fatal sickness. 09:54 (actually, why aren't there separate potions of poison and sickness?) 09:55 too much overlap? 09:56 in some variants like slashem extended, sickness resistance is easier to get 09:57 heh, I just realized my current version of python is 3.6.0 09:58 YASI: force the devteam to release NetHack synchronized with the Python release schedule 09:59 there 09:59 also made the game interrupt waiting and searching (but not other occupations) when HP or Pw is fully recovered 10:00 aosdict: nice python version :P 10:03 YASI: put cataclysm: dark days ahead on our dgamelaunch so that we can say "cdda updated" 3 times a day 10:04 I mean, fh is updated pretty much that often lol 10:05 at least when I'm in a fh coding spree 10:08 cdda is actually committed to by around 7 people per day, but the pull requests are only put together 3 times per day 10:08 ah 10:08 nice 10:23 aosdict: I like it 10:24 However I'm less sure on the entire gehennom border thing 10:24 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:2563 10:24 (If one likes the tower but dislikes the border, it could be repurposed into a mid-Dungeons <-> mid-Gehennom shortcut or similar) 10:26 aosdict: btw, fun fact 10:26 due to how NetHack handles Gehennom as a large special case in terms of branches/etc 10:26 you can actually place a secondary Dungeons-Gehennom connection 10:26 without the game throwing a fit 10:27 unlike, say, jonadab's idea of a dual-branch within Gehennom which requires refactoring the level handler 10:29 [slex] dolores (Ord Hom Fem Cha), 9902 points, T:3181, killed by a monster (leather golem) 10:36 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 10:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 10:38 hiya Grasshopper 10:38 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-10-10 09:45 EDT: pushed fixes: bugs with interruptions, and make intrinsics timing out (like blindness) interrupt you 10:38 hm 10:38 interhack has one feature that seems universally useful 10:39 hi k2! 10:39 "Grep ttyrec, which will give you dungeon level and turn number" 10:39 FIQhack updated 10:39 Grasshopper hows the foot? 10:39 I wonder if something with this more general purpose exist 10:39 still hobbling around, but improving bit by bit 10:40 also this feature is great 10:40 http://taeb.github.io/interhack/img/dual-sd.png 10:40 always gives me a minor chuckle when I see that screenshot 10:43 Grasshopper good deal 10:43 drink moar healing potionz! 10:44 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 10:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 10:45 K2 just need more rest - unfortunately don't think it'll be ready for the beach in 10 days time 10:46 I'll just have to relax and enjoy the view and some cocktails 10:47 there ya go 10:47 alright i have to go, see you all in a bit 10:47 k 10:48 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:48 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 10:48 FIQ: yeah, my main reservation about the tower (not a big one) is that to a spoiled player, it will be less of a "puzzle branch" than a randomly generated Sokoban would be 10:49 it would be relatively easy to bring 1 potion of hallucination, a blindfold, a potion of confusion, etc 10:49 and waltz through all the levels 10:49 less easy to bring an easy source of food poisoning :) 11:27 [dnh] rikerw (Brd Clk Mal Neu) killed Zuggtmoy, on T:47912 11:33 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 11:34 nero: if you're here, what's another good pet wish? I have a surya deva, tulani, throne archon 11:34 what's your Cha? 11:35 18 11:35 I have enough space for 2 more 11:35 since I think the dancing blade counts as it's own pet 11:35 It does 11:35 and gwynafar was patched? 11:36 I'd go for an ancient of death 11:36 really really slow 11:36 I never know what was done in which version, but I think so 11:36 speed 4 11:36 >_> 11:36 I'd say an Ancients of death, actually, but it's not necessary to wish for a figurine 11:36 *ancient of death 11:36 hm ok 11:36 they only occur on one thouhg 11:37 also I kinda need this wish now >_> I quaffed a !oOD and it gave me a wish 11:37 Polyself into an ancient of death and then melee enemies with no weapon equiped 11:37 I wanted to see if there was a treasure vault here lol 11:37 nero: ah ok, that's easy 11:37 as for a wish... 11:37 I haev a ring of poly 11:37 light archon? 11:37 or are they not worth it 11:38 Personally, I don't like spellcasting pets because of their summons 11:38 hm ok 11:38 I think light archons only do clerical spells 11:38 light archons are the silver arrow ones right 11:38 yeah looks like it 11:38 so they'd be fine in that regard 11:38 what do mahadevas cast? 11:39 wiki says ice storm/arrow rain 11:39 1/10 mass cure close, 3/10 arrow rain, 3/10 ice storm, 3/10 gyser 11:40 1/2 of the time 11:40 huh cool 11:40 the other 1/2 of the time they use the standard spell list 11:40 ice storm sounds useful for gehennom 11:40 ah 11:41 Make sure you have a very strong weapon for a mahadeva 11:41 I have masamune still I think? 11:41 will that work? 11:41 OH COME ON 11:41 nvm then 11:41 it froze 11:41 since i didn't type anything in long enough 11:41 _sigh_ 11:42 and it left the djini >:U 11:51 :( 11:52 _sigh_ 11:52 mammon was gated in 11:52 this is not good please dont goldify my pets 11:52 _bribes_ 11:53 [dnh] rikerw (Brd Clk Mal Neu) killed Fierna, on T:49314 11:53 nero: generally, bribe anybody you can, right? 11:53 haha if you feel like it 11:53 I mean if they don't have a cool arti 11:53 I have made a grand total of 1 bribe across all of my dnethack games 11:53 lol 11:53 I just did 2 :P 11:54 I mean I had the gold and I'm just not in the mood 11:54 plus my surya lost it's dancing blade already and it's not fire-resis 11:54 My character was weak and the real stairs were in Asmodeus' room 11:54 lol 11:55 lol, ring of poly and poly control here 11:55 I'll go for ancient of death :F 11:55 *:D 11:56 they can fly right 11:56 or at least can walk over lava 11:59 nero: wearing ring of polymorph and poly control, does dnh change how often that triggers? 11:59 I don't think so 11:59 Just wait a while 11:59 and don't be wearing breakable armor! 11:59 am wearing nothing 11:59 guarded by my pets 12:00 on belial's lair still, there's phantasms and horned devils to punch 12:01 it's been around 5k turns >_> 12:04 damn shambling horrors 12:04 this one's not bad 12:04 you'll need to punch a lot of things 12:04 3d12 petrify, 1d12 cursed unihorn reach, 4d10 silver starlight 12:04 do you have "oUnchanging? 12:04 yes 12:05 ...on second thought, don't wear it 12:05 hm yea 12:05 45 hp is not much 12:05 yeah, just be careful when flying over lava 12:05 I phase which is nice 12:05 why be careful? 12:06 ah I see 12:06 no change back >_> 12:06 don't want your poly running out 12:06 yes 12:06 also stupid bugs 12:06 my pets are zapping things through the walls 12:06 -.- 12:06 haha yup 12:06 > your golden naga 12:06 stupid summoners 12:07 is this a cursed throne? 12:07 willl it always give bad effects? 12:07 belials's throne 12:07 I don't think so 12:07 hm ok 12:07 it gave stat losses twice ._> 12:08 I did a dead 12:08 lol 12:08 apparently 1 bite does >45 dmg 12:09 an Ancient of death's weapon resistance doesn't do anything to non-weapon monster attacks 12:09 yes 12:09 but still 45 dmg for a single bite is a lot 12:09 I've never seen a deep wyrm before 12:09 @d?deep wyrm 12:09 No such monster. 12:09 >_> 12:09 they're nice to rev-geno 12:09 think a dragon with life-drain breath 12:09 hm ok 12:09 why would you revgeno? 12:09 taming? 12:10 but since rays don't support AD_DRLI, it uses 'AT_BEAM' instead of 'AT_BREA' 12:10 also, should I take this somewhere else? (farming for ancient of death) 12:10 now that I have a polycontrol ring 12:10 lava seems dangerous 12:10 probably safer. 12:10 nero: what's the difference? 12:10 'AT_BEAM' is invisible 12:10 ah 12:11 and behaves slightly differently from breath attacks / wand zaps 12:11 but it's close to the same things 12:11 hm ok 12:11 You'd want to rev-geno because their corpse gives a level-up on eating 12:11 are 12:11 *ah 12:11 blood too? 12:11 for clockworks? or can they eat when polymorphed 12:12 also, brb, eating 12:12 see ya 12:34 nero: will axus's level do for farming for the ancient of death? 12:34 as long as I stay away from axus himself at least 12:34 hmm 12:35 I'm not sure if your victim needs to survive your attack to gate in a new demon 12:35 I don't think so? 12:35 should I just go wait in the big room then? 12:36 It didn't take me very long when I tried once 12:36 hm ok 12:36 where did you try? 12:36 I phased through gehennom killing everything I could see with detect monsters 12:36 I haven't found any monsters >_> 12:36 ah 12:36 I don't have detect monstesr though 12:36 Telepathy? Warning? 12:37 You'll want something at least 12:37 I have no telepathy or warning >_> 12:37 only orcrist/sting for those 12:37 I can probably track down a longsword for warning of primordials/elves 12:40 I'd say your biggest problem will be your pets killing things before you can. 12:41 The maze will help with that 12:42 should i wear unchanging? 12:42 I have 71 hp atm, ac -46 12:42 as an ancinet 12:42 *ancient of death 12:44 got one! 12:44 did'nt even have to reenter gehennom 12:44 fun fact: you'll survive being killed through loss of hp as an ancient of death while wearing an "oUnchanging 12:44 second kill in the valley 12:45 probably a bug :P 12:45 nero: >_> that is def a bug 12:45 you'll be rehumanized though right? 12:45 yes 12:45 hm ok 12:45 that's def a bug :P 12:45 though it would be so much fun if you stayed as an ancient 12:45 it would be ridiculous, since the reason you survive is that 88d1 explosion 12:45 (I think) 12:46 lol 12:49 hm now I have another one >_> 12:49 tha'ts not a bad thing right 12:49 tha'ts a total of 5 pets, 6 if the dead dancing blade still counts (since hte surya is alive) 12:50 the dead blade shouldn't count 12:50 IIRC don't bother giving the ancients of death weapons, they won't get any effect from them 12:51 thanks to mhitm vs mhitu vs uhitm mismatches 12:51 lol 12:51 I now have "noty Jr" and "Conor" 12:52 nero: target for single uncursed geno? 12:52 L is already geno'ed 12:53 jubjub birds? 12:53 ah good idea 12:53 also maybe a bug: pet ones still stun you and _your other pets_ 12:53 maybe a bug, but seems reasonable too 12:54 screeching is omnidirectional 12:54 ah 12:54 _sigh_ next one I'm doing is going to be phase spiders 12:54 fuck those little buggers 12:55 nero: also, looks like you also explode upon rehumanizing? 12:55 when the polymorph times out as normal 12:55 cool 12:55 > You rebalance your load. Movement is difficult. It dies! 12:55 You return to automatic form! 12:55 Your position suddenly seems very uncertain! You explode! 12:55 The phase spider misses. You stop waiting. The phase spider hits! 12:55 that is a bug I think 12:55 tha'ts backwards whoops 12:56 the explosion is meant to be 'on death' so it makes sense 12:56 eh 12:56 I didn't really die 12:56 just reconverted 12:56 but I get that 12:56 your form did 12:56 I was lucky I was teleported first 12:56 so I exploded and didn't harm my pets 12:56 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:56 I did get stuck in solid rock for a bit though :P 13:04 nero: how dangerous are shayateens? 13:05 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 13:07 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 13:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 13:09 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10 bug: ancients of death can phase through this water, but displacing one into water kills it 13:10 ;-; 13:10 nero: ^, dagon's swamp 13:10 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 13:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 13:11 I'm dead ;-; stupid confusion 13:11 my surya is confused, I'm gonna die if it keeps hitting 13:12 and I've lost my flying boots and displacment cloak 13:14 well 13:14 dagon's dead 13:14 yay 13:15 well shit I've lost both ancient's 13:16 @d?asmodeus 13:16 Asmodeus (&) | Lvl: 99 | Diff: 56 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire cold poison petrification drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 99 | Generates: unique | AC: -99 | Attacks: 9d1 weapon physical, 9d1 weapon physical, 9d9 cast clerical, 9d9 cast fire, 9d9 cast cold, 0d0 passive asmodeus-blood | Alignment: 20 | Flags: flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, demon, stalker, covetous, infravisible 13:18 rikersan: ancients of death aren't unbreathing, so it almost makes sense that they'd drown. Except they can phase through solid rock no problem. 13:21 FIQ: you seem to have ample time to work on your variant, mind if I borrow some? slex development is currently going too slowly for my taste :D 13:22 LarienTelrunya: currently have some dead time rl 13:22 LarienTelrunya: Just cherry-pick all the FIQHack commits. 13:22 hence why I've done more than usual 13:22 ah, lucky you :) 13:22 will last until end of the month 13:22 (I will not stop then, just slow down :P) 13:22 LarienTelrunya: and keep in mind 13:23 my commits are small 13:23 it's not like I spend 8h of every day working on my variant :P 13:23 ah; I guess the stuff I want to do (implement new item materials, roles etc.) will require quite a bit more time 13:23 LarienTelrunya: I am thinking of adding another tileset to Fourk. 13:24 jonadab: will there ever be a tileset for nethack that actually looks good? 13:24 LarienTelrunya: currently I am working on something a little bit bigger than trivial fixes though :) 13:24 LarienTelrunya: Dunno. But this is the one I am currently working on completing: http://jonadab.jumpingcrab.com/pastebin/886.png 13:24 if there was a tileset half as good as this one https://i.redd.it/tecpl4l36uqz.png then I might even play with it 13:24 LarienTelrunya: Elronnd wants me to also do this one: http://blog.dirkz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/absurd-32-slashem-7e7f3.png 13:25 http://home.fiq.se/obj_lookup.png 13:25 for reference 13:26 jonadab: is that a full list of slex monsters? 13:26 *slashem 13:26 the img 13:26 rikersan: Probably only vanilla slash'em, not sure which version. 13:26 rikersan: Also, which image do you mean? 13:27 Because 886.png doesn't quite have them all, no. 13:27 FIQ: I noticed that you used NH3-style buff logic in your monster lookup implementation. Was there a reason for this? 13:27 Why no msgprintf()? 13:27 jonadab: What do you mean? 13:28 jonadab: Macros point to msgprintf 13:28 Oh, they do? 13:28 Hmm. 13:28 Maybe I looked at it wrong. 13:28 I just wanted to simplify adding each new line 13:28 without having them be wordy 13:29 comma stuff, etc 13:30 jonadab: I have object lookup working :3 13:30 Now I just need to add the object memory tracking, which is the hard part 13:31 FIQ: Ah, yes, it would be. 13:41 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:42 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 13:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 13:57 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:57 -!- khoR has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 14:04 @d?Mephistopheles 14:04 Mephistopheles (&) | Lvl: 90 | Diff: 49 | Spd: 8 | Res: fire cold poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 100 | Generates: unique | AC: -14 | Attacks: 9d1 weapon physical, 9d1 butt stun, 8d8 cast fire, 88d1 suicide explode fire | Alignment: 20 | Flags: flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, demon, stalker, covetous, infravisible 14:05 @d? vitrean 14:05 vitrean ~3~ kitten (f) | Lvl: 2 | Diff: 3 | Spd: 18 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Attacks: 1d6 bite physical | Alignment: -5 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, infravisible 14:05 that is not it 14:06 -!- tacco has joined #hardfought 14:22 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9] 14:36 I think I'm mostly happy with how this looks: http://home.fiq.se/obj_lookup.png 14:36 can be improved but it's OK 14:36 now to do the memory stuff 14:37 what's the point of it supposed to be? 14:38 it shows you where you found objects? 14:38 yes 14:38 well, for debugging atm I made it just query the object lists outright 14:38 but that is the idea, yes 14:39 it allows you to search for objects you have seen on levels 15:00 -!- rikersan has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:03 [nd] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:6712 15:08 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:32 -!- K2-webirc has joined #hardfought 15:32 hola! 15:32 Hello K2-webirc, Welcome to #hardfought 15:33 hi 15:33 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 15:33 LarienTelrunya: you should port slex over to 3.6.x base or over to nh4 :D 15:34 haha 15:34 no one has a variant on 3.6.x yet, unless you count the work Tangles did for the dev/null tribute 15:34 thanks, but implementing all the stuff I still want to implement is already enough work :D 15:34 FIQ might actually play slex if it were on nh4 base 15:35 well, there is a curses interface, and the fatal hallucination crash was fixed 15:35 yes, if you port slex to the NH4 codebase, I will play it 15:35 ^^ 15:35 yeah but there's still plenty of stuff in slex that *intentionally* crashes it 15:36 aosdict: you should really play slex one day, to break down your prejudice :D 15:36 FIQhack upda... hah not 15:37 K2-webirc: later maybe http://home.fiq.se/obj_lookup.png 15:37 I have played slex. It wasn't fun 15:39 really? what part of it wasn't fun? 15:41 permanently hallucinating, or the fact that all my scrolls did nothing and I got one-shotted in the second room or something 15:41 but not before killing my pet in the first room due to said hallucination 15:41 well that sounds like you were playing a sucky role or something 15:41 aosdict: NH4+friends has permahallu 15:41 It's optional 15:41 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 15:41 (And off by default) 15:42 Precisely. 15:42 [nd] JeanLouisDupont (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 32 points, T:90, killed by a jackal 15:44 And it's xlogged. 16:46 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:46 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 16:57 -!- K2-webirc has left #hardfought 17:07 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:37 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 17:37 :) 17:42 FIQ: are monsters in fh smart enough not to overenchant things? 17:42 I would imagine that they are not, but wanted to know 17:42 yes 17:43 actually, when you implement monster Int, you should make it based on that 17:43 aosdict: I mostly nerf their AI in case it would break balance otherwise, i.e. wishing or revgeno 17:43 Yea 17:43 h 17:43 Also raybouncing 17:44 An orc or a kobold is not going to know that reading the pretty scroll one more time is going to make that mace glow brightly, then evaporate 17:45 right 17:58 Right, in general, things that are notoriously dumb, like goblins, should do risky stuff like use-identify items, charge you even if you're firing arrows at them, etc. 17:59 Smarter things, like elves, should be more careful. 18:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:43 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 18:51 [slex] rikerw (Fla Ang Mal Neu), 6500 points, T:1792, killed by a shotgun shell 19:01 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 19:12 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:23 [fh] Yes (sk1j) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 54125 points, T:12305, killed by an ettin zombie 20:09 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 20:13 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:14 !tell ais523 Is it possible to set up substution tiles for being engulfed by specific monsters, so e.g. being engulfed by an air elemental looks different from being engulfed by a purple worm? 20:14 Will do, jonadab! 20:42 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Disconnected] 20:47 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 20:49 -!- tacco has quit [] 20:58 -!- rikersan has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:02 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 21:02 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 21:21 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 21:23 [slex] rikerw (Cha Dev Mal Cha), 242 points, T:376, killed by a monster (course moss) 21:25 > > You didn't even score a single point. You noob! 21:25 that hurts ;-; 21:25 [slex] rikerw (Mon Mou Mal Neu), 0 points, T:16, killed by a heap of shit 21:30 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:35 !tell LarienTelrunya did you implement the "You noob!" thing from that YANI recently, or was it already there? 21:35 Will do, aosdict! 21:43 -!- rikersan has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:10 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 22:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 22:11 -!- Jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:41 I thought that you noob thing was quite recent 22:46 well what if it only CALLED me a noob because I was TRYING to play PACIFIST? raaargh 23:00 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9] 23:19 https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/75me9m/three_weeks_out_update_for_devnullnethack_tribute/ 23:21 "User registration is handled via the main hardfought.org server only" 23:22 that's gonna be a nice way to drive up the player count 23:24 since they sync, it wouldnt matter anyways 23:25 no I mean to get more people registered on hardfought 23:25 in general 23:25 we did get a fair amount of user registrations during junethack, curious as to how many more register (dont play junethack but only dev/null) 23:25 maybe returning to play later ;) 23:25 perhaps 23:26 i've noticed a slight uptick over last month 23:26 * aosdict blames it all on ZAPM 23:27 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 23:29 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 23:30 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 23:33 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:33 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:41 [fh] Nope (sk1j) (Mon Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 cloak of magic resistance", on T:12848 23:54 !tell ais523 (in libnitrohack), even if boolean can't be switched to bool completely, couldn't it be done in some places, incrementally, and used in new code? 23:54 Will do, Elronnd! 23:59 Elronnd: you're building up an ais523storm! 23:59 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:59 only two messages, I think? 23:59 YANI: for symmetry, polymorph traps disappear whenever anything triggers them, or else have a percentage chance of vanishing every time they polymorph something.