00:01 [fh] MTF (mtf) (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed The Orb of Detection", on T:16701 00:47 [nd] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:3002 00:51 [nd] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 742 points, T:3389, killed by a gnome zombie, while fainted from lack of food 01:04 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:11 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 01:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 01:17 [nd] Grasshopper (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed platinum yendorian express card", on T:48869 01:18 [nd] Grasshopper (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed platinum yendorian express card", on T:48871 01:18 [nd] Grasshopper (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed platinum yendorian express card", on T:48872 01:19 third time's the charm 01:23 [nd] sluggoman (Hea Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2166 01:25 I have the -2 Sting in my stash at the moment 01:42 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:49 . 01:49 LarienTelrunya: Message from jonadab at 2017-10-02 09:23 EDT: There may be a way to make your desktop larger than your screen/viewport, so that when your mouse would otherwise move off the edge of the screen, the viewport moves in that direction. (This is a standard capability on X11, and a lot of Windows graphics drivers have the option to emulate it; I used to use the Matrox version of it when I had a Matrox Mystique and was stuck on a 17" 01:49 LarienTelrunya: Message from jonadab at 2017-10-02 09:24 EDT: ... I used to use the Matrox version of it when I had a Matrox Mystique and was stuck on a 17" monitor, back before the prices of 19" ones came down out of the stratosphere, and was still multi-booting into Windows 95 OSR2 sometimes. 01:50 jonadab: well it seems the main way to make windows bigger than the screen is to install something that lets me do so, and I'm still hoping to get my old PC back next week when our system administrator's vacation ends 02:02 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 02:07 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:09 !tell K2 another update for SLEX 2.0.9 is ready at the current master branch again (insert arbitrary number of *bundle* :D) it spices up Gehennom and ironman mode, and fixes an error where a certain special level would fail to generate 02:09 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:27 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:37 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 02:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 02:42 -!- khoR has joined #hardfought 02:47 [nd] Grasshopper (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:50582 02:48 [nd] Grasshopper (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:50586 02:48 Heh, I didn't kill Cyclops - a black dragon disintegrated him for me! 02:52 What is nd? 03:20 nd = nhdev = vanilla development (latest version) 03:21 FIQ: I've tested your pet AI "fix" and somehow find it annoying, with that the pet never seems to want to move more than two tiles away, at least in corridors... and the backtracking "snowball" effect of the original code isn't all that bad IMHO, most of the time the pet starts following after a few steps again 03:23 YAGI: pets eat at a consistent rate not tied to their speed, so that you don't have to wait 200+ turns for your pet trapper to eat a dragon corpse 03:24 heh, just do what I did in slex, quadruple pet eating speed :D 03:24 (and player eating speed too for good measure) 03:29 and pets should stop eating when hostiles are near them 03:30 and it's almost funny to see pets dying in poison clouds because they are too busy eating to move 03:30 almost 03:31 Grasshopper: What is "the Cyclops"? 03:31 in slex it's possible to #force an eating pet to stop it from eating, however doing so also counts as abuse 03:31 I don't remember it from my past games. 03:31 Also, the video in /r/nethack is beyond amazing. 03:33 khoR, healer quest nemesis 03:33 what video? 03:45 Really? 03:45 How can I possibly not remember it then, I loved healers... 03:45 Grasshopper: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjuTyJlgLJ8 03:48 Grasshopper, are you already doing devnull? 03:54 [slex] prozacelf (Trs Exp Fem Cha), 340 points, T:374, killed by a monster (Mr. Adjama, the shopkeeper) 04:07 bug_sniper, no just normal nhdev 04:07 khoR, thanks - I found it anyway, yeah good video for n00bs especially 04:08 Are you calling me a noob? 04:08 Fight me irl bruh 04:08 * khoR wields a plastic water bottle 04:09 * Mandevil wields a Catalonian constitution in hard-cover 04:10 Is there such thing as a catalonian constitution? 04:11 Well, if they want to be independent nation, then there should be one. 04:12 They wont be. 04:32 YASI: a dungeon branch where gravity is reversed, so there are e.g. trapdoors in the ceiling that you fall through to the level above. 04:33 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 04:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 04:34 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:38 nice patch idea: a randomly selected intrinsic that you always have, for slex 04:39 [nd] elagabalus (Pri Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:3991 04:42 nice patch idea: portals from the end of each side dungeon to the dungeon entrance 04:56 -!- yuring has joined #hardfought 04:56 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:03 jonadab: aww, it appears your page is down? :( 05:13 Isn't that what ais proposed with the tower of madness thingy 05:13 or something like that? 05:20 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:31 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:33 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 05:36 LarienTelrunya: Oh, sorry; we had a power blink here yesterday. Try now. 05:38 thanks, it works :) 06:10 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:13 FIQ: IS this supposed to look this way? 06:13 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/x4gwKv9l/ 06:17 wtf 06:17 this W just 360 no-scoped my face why a sleep ray 06:18 thats pretty cool actually 06:18 FIQ: What happens if you dip a magial sword and it turns into excalibur? 06:29 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 06:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 06:29 khoR: If you're playing on a dgamelaunch server, and changed your window size after connecting, that would explain the wrapping in the image. 06:30 I think it has more to do with FIQ's message turn implementation 06:30 Because the purple line is fine 06:30 Ah. 06:30 and I didn't touch my window size 06:31 Yes, possible. 06:31 That code is new and not yet very well tested. 06:31 oh god 06:31 not again 06:31 im having ptsd 06:31 (monster behind boulder in sokoban) 06:32 Ah. 06:32 another one 06:32 and this one is in a hole 06:32 wat 06:33 Yes, I kind of want to put in some region code or something to make monsters never generate in the pit corridors in Sokoban. 06:33 Bonus points if we can make them never walk into there either, unless tame and following you. 06:33 Did you figure out yesterday's FIQ bug? 06:34 The one where all the information about the player's stats went totally wonky? 06:34 yeah 06:34 No, I suspect memory corruption. 06:34 and he had 0hp 06:35 0 hp, 0 dex, 24/20 Pw, ^B647 gold, etc. 06:35 Both FIQ and I think the pi struct must've gotten written over in memory by some other data. 06:36 I should probably run Fourk in valgrind at some point. 06:36 And then learn to read valgrind's output better. 06:37 jonadab: And a fuzzer! 06:37 Mandevil: I have never been able to figure out how to use testbench. 06:38 Hey Mandevil you're still arround. :) 06:40 khoR: Of course I am. 06:41 Gah, I dont even remember if this is reflection orboh 06:42 -!- nht has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:42 I think its reflection but im not sure 06:42 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 06:48 [nd] elagabalus (Pri Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an Elvenking, on T:8262 06:49 [nd] elagabalus (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8361 07:05 -!- yuring has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:07 LarienTelrunya 07:07 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-10-04 02:09 EDT: another update for SLEX 2.0.9 is ready at the current master branch again (insert arbitrary number of *bundle* :D) it spices up Gehennom and ironman mode, and fixes an error where a certain special level would fail to generate 07:07 Program initialization has failed. 07:07 Report this error to Amy (Bluescreenofdeath at Nethackwiki) so it can be fixed. 07:07 You can also contact the admins on the #em.slashem.me IRC channel (Freenode) 07:07 Report error to "wizard". 07:07 Cannot open dungeon description - "dungeon" from "nhshare" file! 07:07 K2: argh! again??? 07:07 this is after updating slex 07:07 it compiled fine 07:08 trying a clean compile 07:09 none of my changes should be causing such an error; hopefully the clean compile will make it work 07:13 ok that worked 07:13 Slash'EM extended updated 07:14 [slex] k2 (Val Dwa Mal Law) shouted "Amy help! aaaarrrrggghhhhh...", on T:1 07:14 :) I sent someone to help you 07:15 heh 07:15 yay my savegame still works :) thanks for updating! 07:15 ;) 07:26 Evil Patch Idea: linotype trap changes your controls to ETAOIN SHRDLU keyboard layout. Dvorak trap changes your keyboard controls to Dvorak layout. IBM trap changes your output charset to UTF-EBCDIC. 07:28 LarienTelrunya: with the new GM mode and a willing GM, did slex just become much more ascendable? 07:29 Can the gm revert the effects of nasty traps? 07:29 heh, I guess it would be possible to make the game easier by spawning stuff that's useful to the player 07:29 jonadab: don't think so, since no monster is guaranteed to spawn with an item that cures them and the GM mode can currently only spawn monsters 07:30 however, there's also the question whether ascensions in GM mode count as "genuine" 07:30 Well, they certainly wouldn't count as "normal mode" ascensions. 07:31 I assume the mode is in the xlog entry. 07:32 it is, and I guess it would be wise to exclude those from junethack as well, since I could just spawn bosses that give trophies when killed ;) 07:32 I think junethack mainly counts normal mode games. It excludes wizmode, debug mode, etc. 07:33 I think it might include Fourk's challenge mode, but that's strictly harder than normal mode. 07:33 well, you know, there was a time when lost soul mode slex games still counted, and all hell broke loose 07:38 Wasn't lostsoul xlogged in a different field from the mode, though? 07:41 should be in the mode field actually 08:45 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:54 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:06 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:50 [nd] sluggoman (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 5148 points, T:5084, killed by a Woodland-elf 09:51 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 09:56 odd thought about the Ranger pantheon: why use Mercury, Venus, and Mars and not Diana/Artemis or Apollo, who are actually associated with archery? 10:06 But you get the Longbow of Diana. 10:07 [nd] Grasshopper (Hea Gno Mal Neu) became Hermes' Envoy of Balance, on T:51429 10:07 yeah but... doesn't it make sense for her to actually be a god? 10:07 aosdict: I think because the Healer pantheon is Greek? 10:07 (also, we have Hermes and Mercury in different pantheons, I just realized) 10:07 hm, that maybe it. 10:07 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 10:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 10:08 jonadab: then don't call her Artemis, call her Diana. 10:08 That's consistent with the rest of the Roman pantheon. 10:08 In that case, no idea. 10:09 But yeah, the reason they use a Roman pantheon and not a Greek one for Ranger is because Healer uses Greek dieties, and they tried to make it different for each role. Except Priest. 10:10 YANI: replace Venus with Diana and Mercury with Apollo. I'm okay with Mars here, since he is a war god and all that. 10:11 Venus as lawful and Diana as neutral? 10:11 Venus is currently neutral, so Diana would be neutral; Mercury is lawful so Apollo would be lawful. 10:11 (Rangers can't actually be lawful, barring alignment conversion.) 10:12 Yes, but you still need a lawful god :) 10:14 This also gets rid of the Mercury/Hermes conflict. 10:14 Mercury is lawful, Hermes is neutral. 10:16 YANI: crowning makes future alignment conversion impossible; you cannot convert at an altar and cannot put on a helm of opposite alignment. 10:16 aosdict: yes! 10:17 aosdict: That's something I can get behind :) 10:17 what, but you can't get behind some god name changes though? :) 10:18 I would probably fail to even notice. 10:18 Gods in Nethack are totally interchangeable. 10:23 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:25 Right, I scarcely even notice the names of the dieties. 10:32 I wish they had more character. 10:32 In Crawl the gods are very definining feature of a character. 10:32 They can completely redefine how you play. 10:34 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:36 Mandevil: Crawl dieties are like dnethack Binder spirits, though. You see an altar and you're like, "Hmm, do I want that, let me read the wiki..." Ten minutes later you still aren't sure if you want it, because the drawbacks are about as bad as the advantages are good. 10:37 jonadab: in Crawl, how many deities actually exist in a game? 10:37 aosdict: All of them, in every game, not just three. 10:37 jonadab: That's very shallow take on that. 10:38 Mandevil: Well, I've not managed to get very far in Crawl. 10:38 Nethack only has three plus Moloch, which means that varied gameplay from the gods would be a much more role-specific thing 10:38 jonadab: First of all you don't really need to read wiki (Crawl wiki is universally shunned anyway). 10:38 So you'd expect my take to be a newbie player's early-game take. 10:38 I was a new player once too. 10:38 And there are newbie friendly gods. 10:38 Some are really "low maintenance". 10:39 Anc ##crawl even has !whichgod command available. 10:39 Bear in mind, I've only made it to the level with multiple altars once. 10:39 So my experience is limited. 10:39 I have ~60 crawl wins 10:39 About as much as NetHack ones. 10:40 I don't think a one-liner !whichgod thing can really replace a wiki writeup for something like this. 10:40 jonadab: The gods are documented in-game. 10:40 jonadab: In sufficient detail. 10:40 Oh, that wasn't clear to me. 10:40 The ^ key invokes the "god screen" 10:40 With all the info you need. 10:40 Ah. 10:41 I'll have to look at that, when I get back to Crawl. 10:42 I kind of got frustrated with always dying on level two or three to a monster that was indistinguishable from ones that had been giving me no trouble, so I back-burnered Crawl to play ADOM for a bit, then shelved ADOM to play GruntHack, then shelved GruntHack to play FIQHack... 10:42 WOrking my way around to Un... 10:42 People are telling me I should play The Ground Gives Way, but it's binary only, so I will probably skip it. 10:42 Not like I'm running short on games to try out. 10:43 I don't play anything that cannot be played on a server. 10:43 I like Brogue enough to do local play of it. 10:43 But yes, not having a public server is a big strike against. 10:44 I played local nethack for few games. 10:44 Not having source is a big strike against. 10:44 Then I discovered NAO. 10:44 Not being able to be played in a screen/tmux session is a huge strike against. 10:45 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9] 10:46 Not supporting standard rogue keys for movement (hjkl/yubn) is a small strike against if the alternative is decent, a huge strike against if the alternative is something insane like "A is X and S is Y and D is Z" (I'm looking at you, console immitators.) 10:47 An active player community is a pretty big plus. This is one advantage DCSS has over Brogue. 10:48 I need to find out if Angband has such a community, I bet it does. It's still under development. 11:12 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:12 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:15 -!- firemonkey has joined #hardfought 11:16 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 11:22 -!- nht has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:22 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 11:35 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 11:54 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 11:59 which is more important for dnh gehennom? free action or sleep resis? 11:59 or should i spend extra time trying for both? 11:59 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:12 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:20 -!- Jendic has joined #hardfought 12:38 [dnh] rikerw (Bar Inc Mal Cha) killed Malcanthet, on T:69380 12:44 [dnh] rikerw (Bar Inc Mal Cha) killed the Chromatic Dragon, on T:69693 12:45 :/ no scales 12:48 !tell K2 pushed fiqhack update 12:48 Will do, FIQ! 12:51 [dnh] rikerw (Bar Inc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:70344 12:52 chased across 4 levels 12:52 stupid warping 12:54 hm juiblex doesn't get a beholder msg? 12:56 ok 12:56 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-10-04 12:48 EDT: pushed fiqhack update 12:56 FIQhack updated 13:04 [dnh] rikerw (Bar Inc Mal Cha) killed Dagon, on T:71158 13:04 lost only 3 points of AC 13:04 :D 13:05 oh my god I forgot candles 13:06 @d?glasya 13:06 Glasya (i) | Lvl: 45 | Diff: 53 | Spd: 18 | Res: fire shock poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 99 | Generates: unique | AC: -9 | Attacks: 1d4 weapon physical, 1d4 weapon physical, 1d4 claw curse, 2d4 sting drain str, 2d4 gaze shock, 9d6 passive acid | Alignment: 15 | Flags: poisonous, nopoly, demon, stalker, infravisible 13:11 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:15 [nd] elagabalus (Pri Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:10314 13:23 :( I lost the bell somehow 13:23 I still have the silver key though 13:23 I wonder how I lost it? 13:28 how do you get rid of a cursed saddle on a mount? 13:29 polymorph into black dragon and breathe? ;) 13:30 FIQ: zap it with cancellation and then #loot? 13:30 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 13:30 cancellation works? 13:30 not sure 13:30 let me hceck 13:31 I rarely ride so I don't know for sure 13:32 cancel doesn't help 13:32 FIQ: How about opening? 13:33 Ie. wand of opening or knock. 13:33 good call 13:33 yeah that works 13:33 so basically 13:34 polymorphing the one with the saddle into something that you can't ride 13:34 Also nymph can steal it. 13:34 or knock/opening 13:34 [dnh] rikerw (Bar Inc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:73676 13:39 [dnh] rikerw (Bar Inc Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:74297 13:39 [dnh] rikerw (Bar Inc Mal Cha) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:74314 13:39 hahahaha 13:39 I didn't though 13:40 the wizard appeared :D 13:40 best of luck on the run! 13:40 larien: remember the discussion of the elder priest being evil? :D 13:40 jendic: thanks! 13:42 rikersan: what did you do to him 13:44 WHAT THE FUCK? 13:44 travelling killed me 13:44 dagons swamp 13:44 > Do you want your possessions identified? [ynq] (n) 13:44 You drown. 13:44 You attempt a teleport spell. The attempted teleport spell fails. 13:44 You fall into the water! You sink like a rock. You are drowning! 13:45 [dnh] rikerw (Bar Inc Mal Cha), 4616029 points, T:74477, drowned in a moat (with the Amulet) 13:45 Ouch. 13:45 I had flying boots, eurynome for water walking 13:45 and I still can drown 13:45 That stings. 13:45 what the fuck 13:45 is dagons swamp supposed to be unflyable? 13:45 or at least the water? 13:45 oh well 13:46 you fell into water somehow with no adjacent land? 13:46 yes but how did I fall 13:46 and for that matter how did I enter the water 13:46 I was flying + water walking 13:46 oh well 13:47 on the bright side I'm #18 on the scoreboard 13:49 dumplog looks like the travelling command bugged, the game didn't realize my flying boots didn't work in the swamp 13:49 and a nymph dropped a boulder on me the same time I ran out of air ;-; 13:49 sounds like the kind of girl mother warned me about 13:49 lol 13:50 !tell tarmunora: thanks for having me try inc barbs, that was really fun 13:50 Will do, rikersan! 13:50 Why don't flying boots work in swamp? 13:50 I don't know 13:50 dagons swamp they don't at least 13:50 neither do water walking boots or eurynome's water walking power 13:50 I hate this kind of design. 13:50 I've always figured it wasn't a bug, demogorgons is the same way iirc 13:50 nt juiblex though 13:51 How did you get to a place where you weren't next to land in the first place? 13:52 > dumplog looks like the travelling command bugged, the game 13:52 didn't realize my flying boots didn't work in the swamp 13:52 so i just kept running through the water 13:53 Yes, but shouldn't you fall into water next to land? 13:53 I did fall into water 13:53 I just didn't come out for whatever reason 13:53 I kept going through the water and ran out of breath there 13:53 I don't know why 13:53 -!- khoR has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 13:53 Does dnh have multi-turn drowning or what? 13:54 it does 13:54 Aha. 13:54 you have a breath meter 13:54 5 breaths/turns 13:54 I never even saw that I entered the water tough :( 13:55 But the design that ww/flying doesn't work on some levels is just wrong. 13:55 Especiall if the game doesn't even tell you. 13:55 ^ 13:55 I mean it does if you drown I guess 13:55 but yeah it would be nice to know beforehand 13:56 It's bit similar to no-teleport levels. 13:56 that isn't likely to kill you from lack of knowledge though 13:56 if you die on a notele level, it's because something killed you 13:56 if you drown on a no-fly level, it's because you didn't know you couldn't fly 13:57 Well, if you didn't use autotravel, you would presumably survive. 13:57 yep 13:57 or if I had had speed boots on 13:57 or even lifesaving instead of amulet vs curses 13:58 What would change with speed boots? 13:58 You would be able to cross the water? 13:58 no 13:58 but autotravel wouldn't try to get me to 13:58 I would have stayed on the land 14:00 [dnh] rikerw (Ana Dro Fem Law), 1273 points, T:754, killed by a coyote 14:00 rikersan: Oh, that. 14:00 rikersan: Well, report this to Chris. 14:00 rikersan: This should be fixed. 14:00 !tell nero see above 14:00 Will do, rikersan! 14:00 !tell Chris_ANG: if you ever come back please fix this 14:00 Will do, rikersan! 14:01 Chris keeps radio silence? 14:01 yep 14:01 I've pinged him about a couple bugs 14:01 nero has always gotten back to me though 14:01 there's like 4 PRs from nero on the dnethack github repo, that haven't been merged 14:15 mandevil: I left an issue on the dnethack repo anyway, that should give an email notification 14:16 [fh] MTF (mtf) (Kni Hum Mal Law) averted death, on T:24650 14:21 !whereis MTF 14:21 rikersan: mtf [fh]: No details available 14:23 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:27 rikersan: wow, I always knew the Dagon water was [redacted], but I didn't know it was *that* bad! Why dnethack doesn't simply implement the paranoid water patch (all sane variants have it), I will never understand. 14:28 also, the elder priest is similarly [redacted] :P 14:31 yes 14:31 I'm still glad I didn't have to fight the elder priest 14:31 I'm reading through the source fight now to find out why 14:31 I thought the wizard couldn't kill things? 14:31 does his amulet stealing attack still work? 14:31 on monstesr that is 14:32 but there was a message that you killed the elder priest 14:32 true 14:32 I dunno then 14:33 maybe that was changed or whatnot 14:33 I'm still trying to find the elder priest's stats n stuff, to see if he's generated w/ it or if it is on the ground beneath him 14:34 he should be generated with it 14:34 I dunno 14:35 will vecna ever appear in dnh? 14:35 rikersan: Dagon's water is the same as what's on the plane of water, supposedly, but has always been buggy for me. 14:35 there's code for him, and the "eye of vecna" (???) 14:35 and blessed geno L says you can't geno him 14:35 [fh] MTF (mtf) (Kni Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:24955 14:36 nero: that's really dumb 14:36 if the bugs were fixed, it'd be fine(ish) 14:36 sigh 14:36 nero: why though? 14:36 why not make it flyable 14:36 It gives the level a lot more flavour 14:36 eh 14:36 if flight or cold or jumping isn't enough to shortcut the level 14:37 not really imo but I see what you mean 14:37 you need to protect your inventory against water damage (ebon pane, white dragon scales, oilskin cloak) 14:37 I had one of the +6 ones from the deeper ones 14:38 I mean, I get the point of it, it seems kinda dumb though 14:38 I guess it would need to be special cased in the traveling command 14:38 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 14:38 As-is, the bugs really hurt it. 14:38 yes 14:38 that is an understatement 14:38 nero: oddly enough, I'm the second highest non-winning score 14:39 how did you choke on a snack? 14:39 potions of blood are consumed in one turn 14:39 you're the highest non-asc with that one 14:39 nero: ah I see 14:39 you don't choke on booze at least 14:39 Thing is, you can't choke on booze. 14:40 You used to be able to ridiculously overcap your satiation, but that was fixed so now you just hit a cap 14:40 yea that's what I meant 14:40 nero: yep I've done that in an old local version 14:40 wizmode tested to see if it would overflow 14:40 vampires don't care so much about choking since they are unbreathing 14:41 Beholder: any messages? 14:42 More on Dagon's level: there are visual glitches 14:42 -!- tacco has joined #hardfought 14:42 where you enter the water to swim in it but you leave a glyph of your character behind on land 14:43 yep I've seen that 14:43 and nymph boulder things aren't good either 14:43 it can leave a thing of floor that vanishes when you step on it 14:44 *when a swamp nymph casts "drop boulder" at you 14:45 maybe I'll look at the relevant code this weekend 14:46 nero: demo's water is also like that right? 14:46 his is not 14:47 huh I thoguht it was 14:47 thanks though 14:47 Demogorgon is nasty, but his floor isn't so bad. 14:47 Dagon is the opposite 14:47 well 14:47 he's kinda nasty too 14:47 not as bad though yep 14:50 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:50 nero: https://github.com/RikerW/dNAO/commit/1a696cc6901bf7230b43437a9485a405b1c410a2?diff=split 14:50 does that look like it would work? 14:54 looks good 14:54 :D 14:54 I'm compiling to test atm 14:54 just to make sure it compiles, I can never get wizmode to work locally 14:56