00:24 [nd] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 249 points, T:583, killed by a fox 00:33 [nd] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 658 points, T:972, killed by a water moccasin 00:53 -!- yuring has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 01:03 [nd] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2561 points, T:3287, killed by a rabid rat 01:10 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:29 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:35 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 01:40 [nd] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law), 1135 points, T:1491, killed by a gnome 01:47 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:56 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:42 -!- yuring has joined #hardfought 03:17 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 03:28 in slex，my female driven pokemon can lay egg. 03:28 Droven* 03:28 pokemon are oviparous, like in the actual Pokemon games :) 03:29 one of the rare cases where there is a justification for being oviparous 03:31 hi FIQ! it seems that ZAPM uses a color scheme created by the same guild of optometrists that also sponsors your variant :D that dark blue leads to more people's eyes deteriorating, so more of them will need glasses 03:31 I know 03:31 luckily my terminal is properly configured 03:31 so I donat have issues with the blue 03:32 well my office PC died yesterday :( now I'm on a new one without all the config stuff, so the dark blue is once again *really* dark on my screen until I reconfigure it 03:32 zapm uses brightblue for its room and corridors in space base 03:32 not dark blue 03:33 it uses brown in the gamma caves, green in endgame 03:33 also, why is there no random option for the player's role? I don't want to have to pick a role :P 03:34 various colors in the place you can enter from robot town, I forgot what it was called 03:34 make your own rng 03:34 I am not the dev 03:34 you will also note that it has no statuscolors 03:34 unless you have an appropriate intrinsic (sounds familiar?) 03:35 I saw someone trying to edit a config file in vim, via a putty session the other night. the dark blue in the vim syntax-hilighting was horrible. I think it's putty's defaults that are the issue. 03:35 but yes, zapm is what it is. 03:35 FIQ: ? why would statuscolors be an intrinsic? in nethack it's an option, at least if the statuscolors patch is there :D 03:36 peacevision! 03:36 nuff said 03:36 but that's gameplay-relevant because of the farlook trap! 03:36 so disable it on rmb loss 03:36 if peacefuls were always highlighted, once you know you're under the farlook trap effect you'd just say "ah, don't farlook those anymore then" 03:37 and if I'd disable it while under the farlook trap effect, you could say "ah, peacefuls aren't highlighted, so I'm under the farlook effect trap now" when e.g. entering a shop and seeing the shk isn't highlighted 03:37 bottom line: it's currently working as intended :P 03:37 lol 03:38 [slex] Yuring (Pok Dro Fem Neu), 2425 points, T:2609, killed by a magic missile 03:39 So there is a trap that creates beam traps 03:40 so a cracked optimized floppy disk of hacking is probably the best item in the game I think 03:40 if you're a software engineer 03:40 careful with lawyers though 03:40 yuring: you probably were in a trap room, i.e. a room filled with traps all of the same type, which happened to be magic beam traps in this case 03:41 that sounds like a fun place. 03:41 Wow 03:41 those can be rather dangerous without reflection 03:41 occasionally they can even shoot death rays or disintegration beams! 03:41 can it shoot disintegration 03:41 ^^ 03:41 in the original Sporkhack idea, they can't because "it would be too evil" :P 03:49 !lastgame 03:49 LarienTelrunya: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/Y/Yuring/slex/dumplog/1505835306.slex.txt 03:50 yuring: hint: if you want to circumvent the annoying character selection screen (since you seem to always play the same combo), you can use this line in your options file to speed up the character creation process: OPTIONS=role:Pok,race:Dro,gender:Fem,align:Neu 03:53 -!- nht has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:55 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 04:07 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:57 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 04:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 05:07 * LarienTelrunya should implement the ZAPM monsters in slex :D 05:12 lol the ZAPM mail daemon can breathe sickness and the bind daemon can breathe disenchantment? sounds like fun! 05:12 not sickness 05:12 I think? 05:12 "Unix daemon with ability to breathe viruses. Getting hit sickens you" 05:12 iirc virsues makes your gear bugy 05:12 *buggy 05:12 no idea what "sickens" means in a ZAPM context, but sickness breath would be fitting for slex :P 05:12 basically a ranged curse items attack 05:12 ah 05:13 ok 05:13 probably radiation sickness 05:13 ah, I can always add a variety with a itemcurse breath too 05:13 zapm radsick is rather nasty 05:13 damn, now I want to implement all of them right away even though I'm supposed to be doing other things IRL :P 05:13 it drains con to a point and max hp 05:13 until you die 05:14 unless you get your radiation level within safe levels in time 05:15 sounds like a CON-based version of dnethack's WIS-draining contamination 05:15 pretty much 05:15 allthough it's much faster 05:15 in zapm probably the worst thing that can happen is getting pregnant 05:15 yeah 05:15 apparently pregnancy always instakills you? 05:15 I think there's a way to cure it 05:15 but I forget what 05:15 there is basically no cure (there is, but every cure is either in remote places, like robot town, or rng-dependant) 05:16 and you get like 400 turns 05:16 yes 05:16 elenmirie: I think radiation and mutagenic vats can kill the fetus 05:16 which is the rng-dependant part 05:16 robot town's docbot can also fix it for a cost 05:16 I just remember that avoiding it was the best strategy... 05:17 yeah, it is :P 05:17 and yes, the docbot can do it. 05:17 but generally it is completely avoidable earlygame 05:17 so it's kind of like real life LOL 05:17 only latergame does stuff show uå that can be much harder to avoid 05:17 well, IRL it doesn't necessarily kill you 05:17 * raisse knows from experience 05:18 I've only gotten it due to carelessness though 05:18 no, but it enslaves you for some time :D 05:18 elenmirie: if the docbot cures you by spawning the baby, does it turn tame? 05:18 true, but that was completely voluntary 05:18 RL babies are feral! 05:18 FIQ... I don't remember! 05:18 iirc there was 2 cures it could do, abortion and... whatever the term is in english 05:18 ah :P 05:19 I do remember using it and surviving, but the details... no 05:20 does ZAPM not have poison/acid that you can quaff to melt the child in your stomach? 05:20 radiation I think does it 05:20 it has poison for sure 05:20 acid, don't remember 05:20 it has radiation too, yeah 05:20 I'm not 100% on if it kills the fetus though 05:20 but if you have too much radiation it kills you too 05:21 in Elona, quaffing those is the usual way to cure pregnancy (and if not cured, even after giving birth you'd still be pregnant and eventually spawn another baby etc. ad infinitum!) 05:21 geez that's awful 05:21 and the Elona pregnancy is also chestburster-style, with the usual monster that causes pregnancy fittingly being the alien :D 05:22 LarienTelrunya: does elona have a ton of item destruction too 05:22 like ADOAM has 05:22 FIQ: fire and cold absolutely wreck your stuff, but there are blankets which are probably stolen from ADOM :D 05:22 yeah, sounds like ADOM 05:22 fireproof blankets 05:22 and waterproof for water damage 05:23 LarienTelrunya: worst elemental destruction is acid though 05:23 also, funnily enough, I've managed to complete the tower of eternal flames (also stolen from ADOM) without using up a single fireproof blanket charge, but I lost a coldproof blanket charge in there because the boss somehow is cold-based! 05:23 there's no way to resist acid item destruction 05:23 well, acid res/immunit yhelps 05:24 ah, acid in Elona is not that bad; it reduces the + on your enchanted gear, so you need to buy enchant armor/weapon to get it fixed, but some gear is acidproof, and you can mix stuff with acidproof liquids to make it immune 05:24 ahh 05:24 thankfully acid doesn't destroy things outright; I think it does if you somehow let it trash an item below -10 05:24 LarienTelrunya: doing ToEF with only a single blanket is risky to say the least 05:24 if it's destroyed... gg 05:24 heh 05:25 Elona's ToEF fire apparently does only HP damage, since I wasn't losing blanket charges even with zero fire resistance 05:25 there's also ring of ice which makes things resist 95% of the time (but also works on equipped items, so you want hat either way) 05:25 LarienTelrunya: ADOM blankets has no charges 05:25 ah, that's what I wanted to ask 05:25 they simply burn up suddenly? 05:26 but you get one guranteed fireproof blanket before you need to do ToEF, some roles get 2 05:26 yeah 05:26 a blessed fireproof blanket can burn up to fire damage 3/1000 of the time IIRC 05:26 in Elona it's also possible to use teleport spells to quickly skip past all the floors in the ToEF :D 05:26 yeah, you can do that in ADOM too 05:26 they allow intra-level teleportation 05:26 that's what I did in my wizard victory run :) 05:27 but there's one really evil item destruction effect in Elona: if you die, you drop some of your gear on the tile you died, and if that's in the puppy cave or another non-persistent location, you can kiss those items goodbye. 05:27 hah 05:27 and even if you can reach the location again, there's a small chance of items randomly being deleted anyway :( 05:28 in ADOM, all dungeons are persistent 05:28 except for the infinite dungeon 05:28 of course playing in permadeath mode would circumvent that problem :P 05:28 (that's its entire gimmick) 05:29 Elona has the Void, a place where all monsters are artificially leveled up, which can be used for late-game grinding; problem is that all floors on it are non-persistent, and bigger problem is that it spawns immensely powerful bosses that one-shot even the strongest player characters 05:29 for the record, PC also exist in ADOM 05:29 bbl, colleagues decided it's time for eating 05:30 ADOM dungeons: puppy cave, druid dungeon/village dungeon, unremarkable cave, small cave+unremarkable dungeon, pyramid, infinite dungeon, caverns of chaos (main dungeon), scintillating cave, ancient stone circle 05:30 and probably others I forgot about 05:30 these are in 1.1.1 which I assume elona took stuff from 05:31 1.2.0+ has new dungeons 05:31 like ice castle 05:59 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 05:59 why not just junethack :v 06:01 you could set up a 'challenge server' or 'devnull server' and incorporate it in junethack somehow 06:01 lol, smallest bookstore ever 06:02 1 scroll and a Terry Pratchett nove 06:02 l 06:10 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 06:10 is it possible to be so close to fatally oversatiated that a potion of fruit juice or "The cool draught refreshes you" from a fountain can kill you? 06:11 not from fruit juice 06:12 then the water won't kill you either I suppose 06:12 but then you'll die from the next bite of something solid 06:13 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:29 -!- K2-webirc has joined #hardfought 06:29 a bite of wraith corpus can kill you 06:30 morning folks 06:30 hey K2-webirc 06:30 morning 06:30 how's things? ;) 06:30 K2-webirc, how about setting up a 'devnull challenge server' as part of a 'junethack in november' tourney? 06:31 a junethackable devnull server 06:31 hmm 06:31 and then we could still run the sweetness that is junethack with the devnull challengens 06:31 in november 06:32 yes 06:32 novemhack 06:32 novhack 06:32 lol 06:32 Netvember 06:32 we talked alot about it in the last years because we only got confirmation about devnull like a week before it started 06:32 having a "second junethack" would be great :D 06:33 so we were always in the hole for a replacement junethack november edition 06:33 we have some ideas for a continuing tournament after the /dev/null tribute one we're doing now 06:33 i'd find it great if the devnull 'franchise' could be kept alive tbh 06:33 I would worry that running another Junethack in November would diminish the enjoyment value of junethack. 06:34 hmm 06:34 ^ 06:34 steno also understand, krystal's intent was to retire devnull tournament completely 06:34 I'd prefer to see two different tournaments than one that runs twice a year. 06:34 sorry Stenno 06:34 it would be once every half-year instead of year 06:34 life is too short to wait 11 months between tournaments :P 06:34 oh somehow missed that 06:34 yeah :/ 06:34 yeah if he wants to do it like that.. 06:34 we initially wanted to just take it over and keep it going 06:35 but I think we should honor his intent 06:35 Tangles, the november edition could be one that is exclusive with the devnull server 06:35 yep 06:35 LarienTelrunya, i like it too :v 06:35 and a one-off tribute is a good farewell 06:35 i guess so 06:35 believe me, I get it 06:35 maybe the variant devs are asked here to implement a 'tournament mode' 06:36 similar to the advent calendar mode in unnethack 06:36 definitely keep sharing ideas 06:36 and each variant / variant dev comes up with their special challenges in november 06:36 we haven't decided on anything yet for next year 06:36 been focusing on the tribute one that starts in 6 weeks ;) 06:36 are the servers ported yet? 06:37 yup you can play test now 06:37 the challenge parts 06:37 neat 06:37 nothing visible in the dgl menu yet 06:37 hit 'a' to launch devnull 3.6.0 06:37 'z' for zapm 06:37 i only played challenges in my first devnull year and after that i went full competitive :D 06:37 ooooh zapm 06:37 a public zapm server, is this real life 06:37 yes ;) 06:38 it may or may not stick around after the tribute tourney :P 06:38 woop 06:38 thank Tangles for that jewel 06:38 now it just needs rfk and hardfought is perfect 06:38 rfk? 06:38 rfk? 06:38 hah 06:38 lol jinx! 06:38 buy me a coke! 06:38 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robotfindskitten 06:39 it was secretly hosted on ADE a while back 06:39 * K2-webirc is reading 06:40 we had the channel bot announcing it in #acehack.de, was quite spammy but we were only a very small community back then 06:40 maybe 10 people total in the channel 06:40 so it was fine 06:41 Simon Carless has characterized robotfindskitten as "less a game and more a way of life ... It's fun to wander around until you find a kitten, at which point you feel happy and can start again". 06:41 lol 06:42 you know what else I want to setup as an easter egg... Zork I 06:42 I can play it on the server, but saves don't work for some reason 06:42 issue for another day 06:43 nice 06:43 in the earliest junethack variants we had nethack 1.3d 06:44 in the first and second installation i think 06:44 oh that's right 06:44 was funny too 06:44 all this talk makes me want to revisit Hack 06:47 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: bye] 07:05 -!- K2-webirc has quit [Quit: *poof*] 07:05 -!- K2-webirc has joined #hardfought 07:10 hdf used to host rfk 07:10 was it removed? :( 07:10 it comes preinstalled with dgl 07:10 preinstalled with kerios dgl maybe 07:10 it was on hdf too 07:11 I think 07:11 there 07:11 only know for sure that it was on ADE 07:11 now monsters have true energy :) 07:11 for better or worse 07:11 for spellcasting? 07:11 yes 07:12 interesting balance 07:13 they will also begin by casting haste self 07:13 we never had rfk 07:13 ok 07:13 I didn't even know what it was until a few min ago ;) 07:36 fiqhack updated 07:37 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9] 07:37 raisse: Only food can choke you 07:37 not drinking 07:37 or one of the other exotic ways to gain nutrition 07:37 FIQ can you send a !tell to my main nick so I don't forget 07:38 !tell K2 fiqhack updated 07:38 Will do, FIQ! 07:38 K2-webirc: no 07:38 thx 07:38 yes 07:39 Evil Patch Idea: when satiated, you have a chance to choke anytime you drink anything, even if it's just water. 07:39 ouch 07:40 would make sense 07:40 oh thats brutal 07:40 any potion 07:40 lol 07:40 Yes. 07:41 there should be a hard mode that is not the evil patch 07:41 EPI mode 07:41 and not HOH/HAH 07:41 Fourk has a "challenge" mode. I called it "challenge" because I wanted to reserve the word "hard" for a potential future mode that would be even harder. 07:42 Which would still not be the Evil Patch. 07:43 hmm interesting 07:43 whats challenging about it? 07:43 evil patch is unplayable lol 07:44 There's a list of things that are different/harder in challenge mode, here: https://github.com/tsadok/nhfourk/blob/master/doc/challengemode.txt 07:44 aah thanks for that list 07:45 EPI mode = slex 07:45 :P 07:45 heh for a moment I thought stennowork talking was raisse 07:45 because same nickcolor 07:46 nick colors are non-unique. 07:46 yes, I know 07:51 so I am noticing 07:51 while testing this change 07:51 that... well 07:51 do you like wands of create monster in fiqhack? 07:51 how about spell of create monster 07:51 :D 07:52 K2-webirc: one day there will be evilvariant mode in slex, which is basically EPI mode with extra EPI added :D 07:52 at least it summons less monsters 07:53 LarienTelrunya: that reminds me 07:53 did you ever say anything about that fiqhack change 07:53 did you find it annoying? 07:53 the way monsters use CM in fiqhack 07:53 never got to the astral plane in gameoverhack because of certain things outside of the player's control instakilling you, so I can't say what I think about it :P 07:54 but you notice that change way before astral 07:54 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 07:54 it's rather common on at least one mines level 07:54 on average 07:54 the farthest I've gotten was the last level of the quest 07:54 in my experience 07:54 can't remember any particular mines levels where it would have been an issue 07:55 ok 07:55 the only thing I remember about the mines is "The mordor orc reads a scroll labeled XIXAXA XUXAXA whatever! The watch captain gets angry! The watch captain swings his silver saber. The watch captain swings his silver saber. You die." 07:55 but apparently you fixed that 07:55 I did 07:55 FIQ, have you checked monster spellcasting in sporkhack btw? 07:55 no 07:55 why? 07:55 is it changed? 07:55 oh right I remember 07:56 i think grunt took its inspiration from it 07:56 gnomish wizards can fireball themselves to death 07:56 grunt aimed towards monster/player symmetry 07:56 similar to fiqhack 07:56 sporkhack doesn't really 07:56 that is certainly realistic to beginning players 08:02 -!- loli has joined #hardfought 08:21 I need to fire up sporkhack again 08:21 * K2-webirc loves sporkhack 08:27 -!- K2-webirc has quit [Quit: *poof*] 08:27 -!- K2-webirc has joined #hardfought 08:28 -!- rikersan has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:29 * stennowork never beat sporkhack 08:29 sporkhack is my moby dick 08:32 So far the only NetHack I have ascended is 343-nao. 08:32 Some day I want to change that. 08:33 jonadab: not Fourk? 08:33 stennowork: sporkhack was that for me during this past summer's junethack 08:33 K2-webirc: nope. 08:33 even i ascended fourk :v 08:34 jonadab: even I ascended my own creation :P 08:34 stennowork: They're saying Fourk got a lot harder these days, after I added the damage reduction change ais523 requested. 08:34 splatted on plane of fire and again on astal during junethack (sporkhack) 08:34 finally ascended after 08:34 i played it with the original alignment penalty thing 08:34 LarienTelrunya: It doesn't count if nobody _other_ than the developer can duplicate the feat. 08:35 jonadab: be the first one to succeed :D (yeah I know, you probably don't have enough time for that) 08:35 Ah, before the race- and role-specific ways to fix alignment were added? 08:35 needed to puddingfarm/sacfest at some point to raise it 08:35 yeah lets see the date 08:35 LarienTelrunya: It's way too late to be the first to ascend Fourk. 08:35 I think she meant slex 08:35 jonadab: I meant you should be the first (after the developer) to beat slex :P 08:35 2015-07-04 08:36 Haha, if I can't manage 3.6, you think I'm gonna seriously attempt slex? 08:36 i was the 8th overall recorded fourk ascension 08:36 actually I'm surprised, slex has been around for quite a while now, yet few (if any) of the masters and serial ascenders of vanilla have seriously attempted to ascend it 08:37 stennowork: you should give sporkhack another go. we've fixed some bugs and added some functionality. 08:37 LarienTelrunya: How odd. 08:37 i hate sporks nazgul 08:38 without changing how the game plays 08:38 the screaming, yeah 08:38 too OP tbh 08:38 What does it do, stun you? 08:38 stun scream without LOS 08:38 does unnethack import that? 08:38 no don't believe so... I'd dbl check tho 08:38 unnethack has a milder version of it after i threw a tantrum 08:39 ah 08:39 so many variants 08:39 hard to keep track 08:39 I remember playing something with nazgul screams, and it was unnethack, unless it was grunthack 08:39 yes, but unnethacks nazgul stun scream has been nerfed 08:39 both in the duration of the stun, and in the frequency of the attack 08:40 and also requires LOS i _think_ 08:40 nazgul's don't scream in grunthack 08:40 it has enough deadly monsters, no ned for screaming ;) 08:40 need 08:41 LarienTelrunya: slex obviously needs nazgul scream. 08:41 i died on astral being stunlocked by both a nazgul which was in a different room and also Famine pouding my ass 08:41 punding 08:41 POUNDING 08:41 pudding 08:41 lol 08:41 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has joined #hardfought 08:41 did nasty things with my ass 08:42 like pounding 08:42 like that 08:42 :D 08:42 pounding into pudding? 08:42 ... 08:42 and this is how porn starts 08:43 jonadab: I've added the screaming nazgul relatively recently, with Sporkhack values of course. 08:43 Of course. 08:44 Evil Patch Idea: nazgul don't respect extinction. 08:44 Actually, EPI: a monster whose presence on the current dungeon level will repeatedly make you deathly sick, or divide your turns to live by 3 if already sick. 08:44 EPI: mind flayers can paralyze you from across the level with a telepathic attack. 08:45 Also, something I've been wondering: in extinctionism games, do players always use genocide to wipe out all "lesser" monsters, or are there genoless extinctionist runs too? 08:45 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:45 LarienTelrunya: I don't think stth used genocide on his huge maxkill extinctionist game. 08:46 The one where he killed 255 of every single thing ever, except the mail daemon. 08:46 ah, I see 08:46 EPI: amulet of improbability - once worn, anything bad that can happen to the player, will happen (nod to douglas adams) 08:46 Ouch. 08:46 K2-webirc: I am testing zapm thoroughly atm to make sure there is no bugs ;p 08:46 the reason why I was wondering is because if you genocide everything, then your extinctionist will eventually have to drive archons into extinction manually and they will very probably summonstorm 08:46 K2-webirc: That would be NASTY in NetHack. 08:46 And nastier in slex. 08:47 :D 08:47 I think this is a potential winning char if I'm not careless 08:47 nice FIQ 08:47