01:24 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 01:25 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:25 [slex] Yuring (Pok Dro Fem Neu), 3990 points, T:1917, quit 01:37 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 01:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 01:40 [slex] Yuring (Pok Dro Fem Neu), 1353 points, T:666, killed by a monster (giant crayfish) 01:40 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:41 hi LarienTelrunya :) 01:42 morning Grasshopper! did I miss something? ;) 01:42 not sure. Just turned to afternoon here! 01:43 so time for breakfast 01:44 spring rolls (mostly bean sprouts and noodles) with fresh salad vegies & a special chilli/peanut sauce 01:44 my breakfast is usually corn flakes and pretzel 01:44 "bor bia" 01:46 yum 01:48 there's a good pizza/burger place in town run by a 30-something US dude and his Thai wife. Trying not to go there too often while I'm not really exercising 01:48 They make a very tasty burger 01:57 seems like Chris has once again vanished 01:57 hopefully not for 6 months this time 02:00 Grasshopper: haha, reading that makes me hungry :) 02:14 -!- Crawldragon has joined #hardfought 02:27 [slex] Yuring (Pok Dro Fem Neu), 1321 points, T:1322, burned by molten lava 02:29 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:35 -!- Crawldragon360 has joined #hardfought 02:35 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Disconnected by services] 02:35 -!- Crawldragon360 is now known as Crawldragon 03:04 09:56 < jonadab > Why doesn't divine anger double the effective difficulty level for monster-spawn purposes? <--- might want to look into slex's aggravate monster function, it's beautiful and would probably fit into Fourk :) it doubles the effective monster difficulty and skews the odds towards the high-level end of the possible spawns! 03:06 What do you want to read? [fyI or ?*] 03:06 /me zaps a wand of slexification at Fourk. Fourk inherits an EPI! 03:06 * FIQ zaps a wand of slexification at Fourk. Fourk inherits an EPI! 03:08 well fourk implements EPIs already, including stuff from the gehennom evil patch, so a little extra EPI could do no harm ;) 03:08 (the gehennom evil patch includes stuff that's way too evil even for slex) 03:09 link? 03:09 are you talking about the gehennom fun patch 03:10 yeah 03:11 disintegration resistance only protecting your life and not your inventory is one that strikes me as particularly unfair 03:11 and then it puts disintegration traps in Gehennom everywhere, so you have to search a dozen times before taking each step or you'll have the equivalent of being tentacled by the elder priest's tentacles 20 times in a row. 03:14 can you link me the GFP document? 03:14 I can't find it 03:16 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Quit: If beer is liquid bread, what is liquid peanut butter?] 03:17 -!- Crawldragon has joined #hardfought 03:17 hmm a google search doesn't find it, I wonder where it is 03:17 http://jonadab.jumpingcrab.com/nethack-stuff/gfp/GeFuPa.txt 03:19 jonadab: I like how you have a "MAYBE" status for your evil patch ideas 03:22 "it would be an interesting challenge to have to choose between (A) playing the bottom levels of Gehennom with only disposable equipment, (B) risking everything, (C) carefully searching for the traps, (D) using scrolls of gold detection, or (E) some hybrid approach." 03:23 "interesting" 03:23 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:23 yeah, "interesting" as in "I just got tentacled by the elder priest and my cloak of magic resistance and all the other stuff that's absolutely vital for an ascension kit were disintegrated" kind of interesting :P 03:24 since, let's face it, doing Gehennom without reflection and magic resistance is like playing russian roulette. Will Rodney touch of death you? Will a random soldier have a wand of death? Let's find out! 03:26 LarienTelrunya: I once took of my CoMR in Wizard's Tower and forgot to put it on. I completed the run and only got ToD'ed by Death at Astral... 03:26 did you survive? 03:26 No. 03:27 also, without MR, there's also the clerical paralyze spell, and if the monster is high enough level then it paralyzes you for dozens of turns and is thus the equivalent of the monster saying "You are now dead." 03:27 Mandevil: khor once ascended dnethack from around the middle of gehennom with no MR 03:27 not quite sure how he managed to do that 03:27 FIQ: How did he do it? 03:28 Either terrific luck or blood sacrifice to RNG :) 03:28 LarienTelrunya: reminds me of the one time a kobold shaman stunlocked you to death in fiqhack 03:28 sleep! sleep! sleep! sleep! dead 03:28 :P 03:28 to be fair, sleep ray duration is completely insane in vanilla too 03:28 I mean, 150 turns in one zap! 03:29 yeah I think it's the only fh change you actually ported to slex 03:29 And the "10% chance to wake up per turn" is really 0% if the player is the one being hit, because RNG. 03:29 either that, or you fixed it independently 03:29 The door opens. It explodes! You get blasted! 03:29 FIQ: fixed it independently 03:29 The sleep spell now only hits for 3d6/6d6 turns instead of 3d25/6d25. 03:29 03:29 Really, NetHack? 03:29 LarienTelrunya: ah 03:31 what about orange dragon breath, is it still 6d25? 03:32 + disintegration traps, only found below DL35 (and possibly on 03:32 Demogorgon's Lair, if it's above that). Each trap only works on 03:32 the player once, so lifesaving will save your life (but not your 03:32 inventory). 03:32 well at least the player wont die! thankfully 03:32 is jonadab secretly LarienTelrunya in disguise? 03:32 LarienTelrunya: no, any sleep ray counts 03:32 including sleep breath 03:32 Evil Patch idea: ancient orange dragons or whatever that highest-tier dragon is called in Fourk again, have a 6d25 melee sleep attack. And it not only puts you to sleep for that amount of turns but also does that amount in physical damage. 03:33 LarienTelrunya: in fiqhack, dragons will recognize, and abuse, helplessness 03:33 so if you somehow lack sleep res, orange dragons are a bit more dangerous :) 03:33 FIQ: told you that the gehennom evil patch is too evil even for slex :D I mean, I have disintegration traps in my variant, but being resistant protects your items, and not being resistant only disintegrates your outermost armor piece 03:36 ok some of these craps is just cruel 03:36 electric traps, cancel traps, drain trap 03:38 yeah it reads like jonadab specifically wanted to make something that's more evil than slex ;) 03:38 but it was made before slex existed 03:39 although, I guess my interface traps are similarly evil, just that their effects screw you over in a different way 03:39 [nd] Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 7948 points, T:7778, killed by a xan 03:53 jonadab: so I took a look at the scoreboard 03:53 I notice that you haven't ascended 4k even once 03:53 this surprises me somewhat 03:53 you should address this at some point :P 03:54 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:56 K2: The hardfought scoreboard is supposed to display the 250 best games for each variant, right? Apparently, at least on my end, it doesn't display all of them but at the bottom it gets "cut off" depending on how many entries are taking up more than one line. Happens with both Firefox and Internet Explorer. I can provide a screenshot if needed. 03:59 !tell K2 pushed a fix that pissed monsters off for clouds that you didn't make 03:59 Will do, FIQ! 03:59 Heh, I was just reading this: https://arstechnica.com/science/2012/12/why-european-forecasters-saw-sandys-path-first/ 03:59 Believe it or not, it contains a NetHack reference. 04:10 not nethack 04:10 well, possibly 04:10 but the nethack one itself is a reference 04:10 to, I think advent? 04:10 Oh, really? 04:11 ah 04:11 not advent 04:11 gauntlet 04:11 http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WizardNeedsFoodBadly 04:12 Yeah. 04:12 TIL 04:15 FIQ: Actually nice page that! 04:16 he said and was never seen again 04:16 Mandevil: tvtropes is a dangerous place 04:16 bhaak: haha 04:18 http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/SlashEmExtended 04:18 was this made by you 04:19 yeah :D 04:19 ok 04:19 that seems silly 04:32 Evil Patch idea: while confused or stunned and trying to use a downstair, you fall down the stairs. 04:33 Is that not a thing? 04:33 only if you're burdened or fumbling 04:33 EPI: If you're wielding a cockatrice corpse, you always fall down the stairs. And moving on an empty tile will automatically place a pit there. 04:33 hmm, how curious 04:34 I don't know if being confused IRl makes you more likely to fall down the stairs but I'm happy to imbibe more alcohol in order to test this hypothesis 04:34 that is not an EPI... 04:34 @ the confused/stunned thing 04:34 don't do it, I fell down the stairs in real life on the last day of Junethack and it wasn't pretty 04:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:35 yeah the only stairs where I live go pretty far down and end in concrete 04:35 so frankly fuck that 04:35 lol 04:35 I mean, I still went ahead and got that one last trophy afterwards, while having my sprained foot in a cold water bath, but yeah 04:36 funnily enough, walking around in high heels was easier than flats with that injury, since it relaxed the ankle :) 04:40 [slex] Yuring (Pok Dro Fem Neu), 1873 points, T:1556, quit 04:43 My mom once tried to scare me by telling me that girls who wear high heels at a young age end up having to wear them the rest of their lives because their tendons freeze that way 04:43 I'm not sure why because I've never cross-dressed 04:43 having to wear heels for my entire life would certainly be better than becoming forever unable to wear heels! 04:44 It really wouldn't 04:44 although I will admit I'm tempted to disagree because I'm an ass man 04:44 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 04:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 04:44 and apparently high heels accentuate the butt area 04:45 I should add Banishment as a demon ability that levelports you 1-3 levels down 04:45 and make demons spam it on ammyrun 04:45 doesn't that sound fun :) 04:45 but I wonder, is the symptomatology similar to carpal tunnel syndrome in the hands? then maybe the same exercises that release stress in the hand tendons could be used to relax the feet after wearing heels for a prolonged time ;) 04:46 I dunno, I'm a man so when I have a sore joint my first instinct is to stretch it as much as possible in order to bully my body into healing it ASAP 04:46 "heal this thing ASAP, or else!" 04:46 FIQ: Accurate 04:47 of course I'm still in my mid-twenties so we'll see how long that policy lasts 04:54 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 7480 points, T:5155, killed by a dwarf lord 05:01 LarienTelrunya: get your favourite person to give you a foot/leg massage, esp around the arch and achilles tendon areas 05:02 haha, I'm not sure if my roommate would do a "sado massoge" in that area, although she did massage my neck once or twice 05:02 God damn I wish someone would give me a massage 05:02 (I think she also made up that term :D) 05:02 the only person I know who would even so much as touch me was a fucking creep who people had to be careful not to get near while drunk at parties 05:03 sado massage heh? And you are the victim of course lol 05:04 LarienTelrunya: please avoid the creeps 05:04 haha :) 05:04 sorry, that was forh Crawldragon sig 05:04 h 05:04 but yes, both of yu ;-)o 05:04 well I guess that according to Crawldragon my roommate is creepy as well :D 05:04 he had no interest in me whatsoever 05:05 He was only interested in straight guys 05:05 Apparently one of my old work buddies was so drunk he was vomiting but he sobered up instantly when the guy got too close 05:06 urgh 05:06 Amy I'm sure your roommate is a lovely person 05:06 I think quintessentially where you and I differ is in terms of acceptable fashion sense 05:07 heels? 05:07 she's an incredibly wonderful person ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ just yesterday she brought ice cream again! 05:08 But yeah you want to talk about weird people I've fucking been there man 05:08 I want to say I've been in a relationship with every type of crazy by now 05:08 Probably been one or two of those kinds of crazy at one point or another myself 05:08 Just when you think you've met all the weirdest people, somone even weirder comes along 05:09 Crawldragon: https://abload.de/img/tm0383mwstd.png :) 05:09 yeah because when you grow up in a nice Christian family for some reason the one thing they never teach you is how to identify crazy at a glance 05:10 I knew a guy for a while who liked getting kicked in the balls 05:10 I've been trying to walk properly on my feet since getting the stitches out yesterday 05:10 but now I see the wound has opened again so... 05:10 oh my god that's the worst 05:10 maybe I'll take it easy 05:10 I do a lot of walking because cars suck so any injury on my foot takes three times as long as anything else to heal 05:11 and of course I'm super paranoid about foot injuries because diabetes runs in my family 05:11 Getting old sucks, you guys 05:11 Crawldragon: I ride my bike most places 05:11 but you said you were in the mid-20s... 05:11 normally... 05:11 diabetes can come at any age 05:11 Crawldragon: why don't you use the public bus, tram or train? ;) 05:11 but is more likely to onset after 40 05:11 FIQ: I think I'm qualified to say that I feel old. I already say "these damn millennials" all the fucking time 05:11 Grasshopper: was referring to the "getting old" part 05:12 but you are a milennial :P 05:12 *millennial 05:12 Amy: Because the nearest bus to me is two miles away and it's an express bus to the state capitol which is literally in the opposite direction of anywhere I would ever need to go 05:12 unless I was doing the smart thing and joining the military to get my career back on-track 05:12 Guys, piece of advice: If you ever have to ditch your car for any reason, for god's sake don't move to a country town before you do it 05:13 I can't actually drive due to vision impairment 05:13 So that is no risk 05:13 I will stay away from the country :) 05:13 Crawldragon: I ditched my car for a year when I was a bit older than you are now 05:13 Yeah for financial reasons I want to say my car's been off the road for the better part of a year now 05:13 it was great, except for shopping/gardening and seeing girlfriends on the other side of town 05:14 on the plus side, I went down two waist sizes in the intervening time, but on the minus side any little cut or bruise to the feet immediately becomes a massive problem 05:14 Crawldragon: oh :O didn't expect there to be places in industrial countries in 2017 where you don't have public transportation readily available 05:14 I eventually relented and got a ute 05:14 LarienTelrunya: you haven't been to the US? 05:14 LarienTelrunya: Move to America. You'll learn quickly. 05:14 the US is arguably not quite civilized yet 05:14 At least I don't live in the midwest, fuck me those must be long walking distances. No wonder every hitchhiker horror story takes place in the U.S. 05:14 hence they're still lacking in public transport 05:14 FIQ: nah; my roommate was, since she wanted to see the eclipse, first time for her too and she was surprised how you can drive forever on the highways until the next town 05:15 Yeah on a good day my commute used to be about an hour's drive, and that's if the highways are clear 05:15 unfortunately my commute also briefly took me by the state capitol which is a veritable no-mans-land between 5 and 7 pm 05:15 literally the kind of situation where traffic laws are optional as long as it gets you where you need to fucking go 05:16 how do people w/o cars even move around in the US 05:16 I literally do not know 05:16 the maddening thing is that you can't get anywhere by train even though the US is the one country in the whole of North America where trains would be massively useful for this purpose 05:17 Unless you can buy an airline ticket if you need to go out of state for ANY REASON you're FUCKED 05:17 * LarienTelrunya always commutes by public bus 05:17 * Mandevil commutes by train 200 km per day. 05:18 faaaaaaark 05:19 speaking of trains 05:20 the US actually uses the same gauge as most of the rest of the world 05:20 which is a rare case when it comes to US and units/similar 05:20 Australia has a different guage for every state 05:21 the funny thing about the U.S. actually is that most of the population is collected around the east and west coast, so if you're in my situation and you had to do a lot of flying in your childhood it's easy to forget that MOST OF THE COUNTRY even exists. We used to routinely do flights between the east and west coast and when I finally saw a globe and realized how much of the U.S. there is... 05:21 ...between those two locations it was a serious mind-blowing moment for me. 05:21 mind you each state is fkn big so it still works ok 05:21 BTW, this is good video about why passenger trains in the USA suck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbEfzuCLoAQ 05:22 the Australia is roughly the same size as the US, but the US (ex Alaska) about 20 times more people 05:23 I sometimes forget that the United States has only 300 million people in it 05:23 you go to the outback and can drive for 100's and 100's of kms before seeing anyone 05:23 because given how densely populated our cities are it's hard to believe we managed to spread out 300 million people across the rest of the Union 05:23 then I come to Thailand and people are everywhere 05:23 of course a good chunk of the rest of the space is taken up by farmland, which is how we created an ecological disaster using nothing but farming 05:24 at least you didn't farm puddings :P 05:24 I dunno, have you seen how fat some Americans are? 05:24 the entire American continent filled full of puddings 05:24 hahaha :D 05:25 My boyfriend once showed me a photograph of a typical English meal and I told him it looked like a third-world country 05:25 and he told his friends that I said that 05:25 hahahaha 05:26 that's what we think of English beer 05:26 Let me tell you if you've been struggling to control your weight gain at all and you end up in that situation it's kind of enlightening 05:26 actually I always used to think Americans were the best drinkers in the world until I entered a relationship with an Englishman 05:26 I told him about something called the Centurion Challenge where you take one shot a minute every one hundred minutes 05:26 he told me in England they call that "Friday" 05:27 * LarienTelrunya is stuggling desperately to gain weight and avoid people thinking she were anorexic 05:27 hahaha 05:27 Good god, that would kill me outright. 05:27 * Grasshopper gives LarienTelrunya some English black puddings for breakfast 05:27 currently I only weigh about 66 kg or so with a size of 169 cm 05:28 need to eat more fast food! :D 05:28 I'm not a very experienced drinker. I'll drink three pints and that gets me to the level of drunk I want to be 05:28 I once watched a Canadian livestream himself chugging a huge bottle of vodka 05:28 3 pints and I'm bored of beer, where's the whiskey? 05:28 for the rest of the night he kept excusing himself every two minutes to "use the restroom" 05:28 apparently it was worth it though 05:29 my roommate was also wondering, why do americans say they "use the restroom" instead of "going to the toilet"? 05:30 As far as I can understand it the logic goes thus: 05:30 just a euphemism 05:30 It is rude to mention toilets, so we call it the "bathroom" because it is the place where the bath is 05:30 and we call it a restroom becasue that's where you go to "rest" 05:30 or, in other words, to "relieve yourself" 05:30 and when I say "it's rude to mention toilets" I'm not exaggerating, it wasn't that long ago that Americans were that fucking prudish 05:31 americans would probably have a field day playing slex and finding all the cases where the game would be insulting due to them being prude :D 05:32 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9] 05:32 It's kind of interesting actually that a country that takes freedom of speech so seriously tends to spawn, with such readiness, groups which attempt to curtail freedom of speech 05:32 Americans can and will be offended by any-fucking-thing 05:33 I imagine it's the same in Europe but like I said America has a lot of landmass, so you can imagine how different the culture is between the east and west coasts and it gets a little tense 05:33 and Aussies will just look at each other and either roll our eyes of laugh 05:33 heh, Crawldragon do you remember how we first met? it was because of someone being offended by a slex feature :D 05:33 or 05:33 Yup 05:33 and then we got to talking because I made a joke about furries on Dudley's Dungeon 05:34 not a particularly inspired joke either but the ratings were acceptable 05:34 little maps of Tasmania? 05:35 https://alt.org/nethack/dudley/?1073 :) 05:35 heheheh 05:35 god the Dunmer are fucking annoying twats 05:36 but I think I have to go eat something now and hopefully gain weight :D 05:36 Tasmania is roughly an equilateral triangle, I'll let your smutty little minds do the rest 05:37 gonna be back later 05:37 LarienTelrunya: YUM YUM 05:37 I'm gonna be honest Grasshopper I have no idea where you're going with this 05:37 Americans say they like Australians but honestly we have no fucking idea what's going on down there; we just know that it's hot and you guys have a frankly irresponsible number of poisonous animals 05:38 Crawldragon: I'm not going anywhere, I think the wheels have fallen off 05:38 I tried Foster's recently and I frankly find it a little insulting that Americans think any self-respecting Australian would drink beer that watery and shit 05:39 Australian's keep the good beer and export the shit stuff 05:39 [slex] Yuring (Pok Dro Fem Neu) killed the pokemon of Yuring, the former BEIL, on T:1964 05:39 Yeah apparently Americans will buy anything if you tell them it's from Australia 05:39 If an Australian turns up to a BBQ with a 6-pack of Fosters, he might find himself face-first on the street 05:39 or she 05:39 back in the day there was a YouTube channel called smpfilms which became popular after the guy wrote a rap song about his cat 05:40 and he went to Australia to meet some asshole and discovered that they sold, in gift shops, coin purses made out of kangaroo scrotums 05:40 wonderful! I want one 05:40 so what he did was he bought one of those and a jar of vegemite, and he convinced his fellow Californian friends that the kangaroo scrotum was a "vegemite spoon" 05:40 the purpose of which was that you would lick it to get the taste of vegemite out of your mouth 05:41 Lol. 05:41 Australians have had a love-hate relationship with kangaroo testicles ever since "Wake if Fright" by Thomas Kenneally 05:41 which was made into a movie, so you can download it and have a look if you like 05:41 so I can tell you with one hundred percent certainty that at least two Americans have licked kangaroo balls honestly believing that it was some proud Australian tradition. 05:42 lol, the trick is to lick the kangaroos' balls without killing it first 05:42 im only kidding, we don't do that 05:42 I think I'm going to need at least two more pints before I'll try that 05:43 I've always wanted to visit Australia but if I'm honest it's only because I've never seen a kangaroo in person before 05:43 but if you want to enjoy vegemite, have in on bread in *small quantities" and spread on top of butter or margarine 05:43 and frankly my subconscious isn't entirely convinced that they really exist 05:43 Maybe you can visit a zoo? 05:43 I know they do but every time I see one it's like some creature from a science fiction movie 05:43 no, Mandevil, I want to see packs of them migrating in the outback 05:44 I want them to stampede my car 05:44 Alright. 05:44 or rather some poor bastard's car who foolishly decided to give me a ride in the outback for some fucking reason 05:44 Crawldragon: they are pretty cool, but also dangerous when driving around 05:44 I'm sure I'll think of an excuse, like "I'm a dumb American and I'll buy you as many pints as it takes" 05:44 as they move faster than a deer (I think) 05:44 [slex] Yuring (Pok Dro Fem Neu), 6742 points, T:2171, quit 05:44 Deer in my area aren't particularly fast, they're mostly just hard to see at night 05:44 and can change direction very quickly 05:45 although our deer are starving and brittle due to over-population 05:46 my ute in Australia has a bullbar, mainly for roos 05:46 oh didgeridoos as well, I want to learn how to play the didgeridoo. 05:46 I hit one (a roo) when I drove to Uluru a few years ago 05:46 I'm not sure I can but that shit looks fun and I honestly love that fucking instrument 05:47 didgeridoos are good fun 05:47 Terribly underrated as traditional prehistoric instruments go 05:47 harder to play than they look, but you can get some good sound out with just a little training 05:47 but then again I'm a sucker for ancient forms of music 05:48 yaeh I'm told that the trick is to store air in your cheeks so you can continue to blow out through your mouth whilst inhaling through your nose 05:48 I told my stepdad that once and he told me that was physically impossible 05:48 nah I do it all the time 05:48 eg when cycling on a dusty road 05:48 and I go the other way when swimming (mouth in, nose out) 05:49 scuba divers do it 05:49 Yeah I'm a second or third generation nerd, so breathing exercises aren't exactly what we do 05:50 oboe players do it 05:50 I did play the flute while I was in third grade 05:50 which was just long enough for me to decide that woodwinds could go fuck themselves 05:50 lol 05:50 so now I play the guitar 05:50 controlled breathing was my main way to settle both my girls when they were babies 05:51 you lay them on your chest and slow your breathing right down, big draws in and slow out 05:51 baby listens and follows, tries to imitate 05:51 falls asleep 05:51 I wish I'd thought of that when my parents made me babysit my younger brothers; the only thing that worked consistently was making them listen to the hampster dance, which mostly seemed to confuse them into a kind of stunned silence 05:52 or at least stops crying (crying requies short shallow breaths) 05:52 good thinking, Grasshopper 05:53 Yeah good one 05:53 Well I think six o'clock in the morning is as good a time as any to call it a night 05:53 y'all take care of yourselves 05:53 :D gnite Crawldragon o/ 05:53 \o 05:53 good ... morning I guess! 05:54 night is relative! 05:55 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Quit: If beer is liquid bread, what is liquid peanut butter?] 07:01 ;) 07:01 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-09-11 03:59 EDT: pushed a fix that pissed monsters off for clouds that you didn't make 07:01 LarienTelrunya yeah I'm aware of the scores cutoff, I need to fix that for all scoreboards 07:01 easy enough to do 07:02 and if *anyone* legitimately drank one shot of alcohol a minutes for 100 minutes, they'd be dead 07:02 *minute 07:03 best I've ever done was 19 shots in about the same amount of time. i was pretty hammered 07:03 ok i think i am caught up on backscroll 07:04 oh... i dont think 66kg at 169cm is anorexic heh 07:05 FIQhack updated 07:08 and if i am doing the conversion correctly, i could stand to lose about 10 kg. started losing the six pack after thanksgiving last november :P 07:10 hmm... slex death descriptions tend to have more information than other variants, hence the scores cutoff on the hdf scoreboard 07:10 easy fix 07:11 well FWIW it happens on the dnethack scoreboard too, the #216 line is only half visible (only the top of it) and #217-250 aren't displayed at all on my screen 07:12 yup i see it 07:12 tweak i do for slex scoreboard i'll do across the board 07:12 K2: "... started losing the six-pack..." I thought the idea was to GET one? 07:12 losing it as in couldnt see it anymore 07:12 I don't have a six-pack here - I have a keg 07:12 yeah i should have worded that differently 07:13 heh 07:13 :D 07:13 I need to drop about 20 kilos 07:14 had to wear my military dress uniform yesterday. could still fit into it so i'm ok, but i cant afford anymore weight gain at the moment 07:14 Was getting into that before my injury, now I'm getting into bad habit again while looking longingly at the gym gear and my bike 07:14 ugh yeah 07:14 i had to stop drinking beer, havent had one in almost 2 yrs 07:14 beer = liquid bread 07:14 wow 07:14 i know 07:15 yes... 07:15 i just drink hard alcohol now when i drink 07:15 less filling 07:15 and I've realised the answer to crawldragon's question... 07:15 satay sauce is liquid peanut butter 07:15 hahahah 07:15 yes, speaking of hard booze I need some whiskey 07:16 alright, slex scoreboard shows all top 250 now 07:17 K2: unfortunately it still goes only to #237 on my screen, of which once again only the top half is visible :( 07:18 do a hard refresh of the page 07:18 if you're using IE, its F5 07:18 well I even started a new instance of IE and loaded it there, and then tried F5, no dice 07:19 are you using zoom at all? as in greater than 100% page size? 07:19 it used to cut off at #211 so now it's better than before 07:19 zoom is 100% 07:19 ok 07:19 i see all 250 with room to spare 07:20 try it again, i made another tweak 07:21 weird thing is, when I zoom in on the slex top scores, more scores become visible at the bottom of the page 07:22 I expected to see less 07:22 huh wow 07:22 -!- LarienTelrunya_ has joined #hardfought 07:22 IE is still cutting off scores 07:22 chrome/ff is not 07:22 webchat somehow became unresponsive... had to log in again 07:22 I'm using ff 07:23 anyway, it's almost working right now, I can see #246 and then a few pixels of #247 07:24 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:24 yeah thats what i see too 07:24 IE is parsing the page differently than chrome 07:24 -!- LarienTelrunya_ is now known as LarienTelrunya 07:24 no surprise there 07:25 the death msg wrapping is slightly off between the two 07:25 ok there 07:26 all 250 should show under IE 11 now 07:26 ah now it shows them all :) thanks! 07:26 need to make same tweak for all the others 07:26 * K2 hates IE 07:27 K2: pls 07:27 IE10+ isn't bad anymore standards-wise 07:27 we're all love here 07:27 granted its better than IE 9 and before 07:28 but it still has issues 07:28 I'd say IE8 and before 07:28 IE9 was still behind 07:28 but that's when MS realized "maybe we should actually care about web standards so people don't stop using us completely" 07:29 allthough I'm a bit surprised they haven't made IE multiplat 07:29 maybe still too dependant on win32 APIs and stuff 07:30 (why would they make it multiplat? well I guess they would rather do that over making a free VM for people to debug IE for which they are now) 07:30 edge is a lot better 07:30 aka IE 12 07:30 edge and IE is literally the same 07:30 just a different name 07:30 right 07:30 because the IE brand is dead 07:31 it was always too confusing anyway 07:31 with Windows explorer (ie file manager) 07:31 well I think IE and windows explorer used to share the same core 07:31 so it made sense back then 07:32 and "Internet Explorer" 'tis a silly name anyway 07:32 you could input a C:\etc in IE 07:32 and it would turn into windows explorer 07:32 and vice versa 07:32 true 07:32 I miss netscape 4.0 07:32 ah, "browser wars" 07:33 anti-trust law suits 07:33 simpler browser, simpler times 07:33 the irony is, now we have Apple 07:34 and it's dominance in market spaces and control of online marketplaces themselves takes anti-competition and anti-innovation to new dizzying heights 07:35 all big corporates are just as bad as each other 07:35 ^ that 07:42 I just watched an episode of "Kung Fu" (season 2, ep18, "Crossties") from around 1973 which guest-starred Harrison Ford 07:42 He played a "Mr Harrison" from the railroad company 07:43 hah 07:43 this makes me want to binge watch the entire series 07:46 I see lots of other familiar faces as guest stars in Kung Fu, but I don't know most of the names 08:07 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:55 [un] k2 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) shouted "errmahgerd i'm shouting", on T:4 08:55 ok, shouting now enabled in unnethack :P 08:58 K2: what does shouting do apart from give silly messages in the channel? 08:59 I'd think it scares (some) monsters 09:06 only silly messages 09:06 it's a metagame command 09:10 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:12 !tell LarienTelrunya regarding disintegration traps in Gehennom, I think the key realization there is that players will usually go for the cheapest option 09:12 Will do, aosdict! 09:13 !tell LarienTelrunya and since searching everything is expensive only in time and food, it's "better" than the others 09:13 Will do, aosdict! 09:15 jonadab: it occurred to me that the obvious way to take healer's emphasis off the pet game so strongly is to alter the protection racket so that there's no incentive to let your pet do ALL the fighting 09:15 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?3 09:16 this would mainly be accomplished by removing the XL dependency, which is something I want to do anyway 09:17 aosdict: For protection, I actually want to make the price depend on how many points of protection you already have. So each new point costs more. 09:18 jonadab 09:18 disintegration traps 09:18 what exactly was your thought process there? 09:19 Because what happens in vanilla, at least with my play style is, I can't afford protection when I first get to Minetown, but then a while later I hit the point where I am no longer actively afraid of being killed by ordinary monsters, and I explore a few levels deeper, and boom, I am flush for gold and buy a couple of points of protection, explore a couple more levels, buy a couple more points, etc., a 09:19 ll midgame. 09:19 are you secretly conspiring with amy to make a true Evil Variant 09:19 FIQ: I don't remember, exactly; GeFuPa was pretty early in my development thinking. 09:19 I do remember that my main goal for GeFuPa was to fix the fact that Gehennom is horribly anti-climactic and boring. 09:20 Some of my ideas about how to do that were almost reasonable. 09:20 Others were things like disintegration traps. 09:20 so instead you wanted it to be a literal hell 09:20 I was probably thinking "something that can challenge a post-Castle player." 09:21 basically GFP is a proto-dungeon-overhaul? 09:21 Sort of? 09:21 I still think dnethack has the best gehennom :P 09:21 dnethack is so hard, it's basically impossible to _get_ to Gehennom. 09:21 A bit too maze-heavy still but I think it's mostly for technical reasons 09:22 (the only fullmaze levels there is VS, wiztower and fakewiz) 09:22 jonadab: do law quest 09:22 easiest quest 09:23 and you only need to do a single alignment quest to access Gehennom 09:23 I've only made it to quest portal depth a couple of times. dnethack is hard. 09:23 my experience is the opposite 09:23 Granted, I haven't played it very much _recently_, and some folks are claiming its early game has gotten easier. 09:23 dnethack has the easiest earlygame overall 09:23 I mostly played it circa 2014. 09:24 oh 09:24 that would explain it 09:24 vanilla early game, IME, is quite a bit easier than dnethack. 09:24 you like monk? 09:24 play halfdragon monk 09:24 Right now, other variants are more urgent on my list. 09:24 FIQHack, Un 09:24 Probably also Spork. 09:24 I will get back to d eventually. 09:27 ok 09:27 btw, once you're back in nh3 territory 09:27 you should try curses after Tangles's redraw fixes 09:27 it might fix the weird issues you had 09:28 raisse: there was earlier discussion here from a few hours ago about using #shout and why slex had it but why it wasnt enabled in unnethack. figured i'd enable it since the function exists 09:28 if it gets abused its easy enough to disable, but i doubt that will happen, at least I hope not 09:30 [un] bhaak (Bar Vam Fem Cha) shouted "noone has the intention to abuse #shout!", on T:1 09:31 the most abuse we had in #unnethack was somebody who was #shouting every few turns for their pet 09:31 turned out that player thought #shouting would make your pet come back to them :-) 09:32 Heh. 09:32 hahahah 09:43 * jonadab contemplates adding a #shout command to Fourk that does make your pet to want to get close to you (and is not livelogged), just to confuse the issue. 09:44 ooh, instead of #shout, use #yodel 09:44 #yodel should make nearby peaceful/tame monsters hostile. 09:45 that would be #kareoke 09:46 Heh. #karaoke 09:46 yeah I spelt it wrong 09:46 You spelled it the way English-speakers usually pronounce it. 09:46 i dare you to add #karaoke 09:47 Which, as near as I can tell, English speakers changed the second vowel to match the last vowel so it would rhyme, similar to harakiri => hairy carey 09:48 ooh 09:48 samurai should have that option 09:48 say you offend your god or alignment changes 09:48 or you just have a shitty game and want to suicide 09:49 #seppuku 09:49 Death message, "You have died for your dishonor." 09:49 [slex] Yuring (Pok Dro Fem Neu), 2208 points, T:1952, quit 09:49 hell yeah 09:50 If it's only possible in certain situations (when you are dishonored), then it's not an entirely meaningless Most Unique Deaths thing. 09:50 I suppose. 09:51 was that performed with the wakizashi or a tanto? 09:52 jonadab: I'm more interested in seeing how different the Hea strategy would be if the protection racket wasn't a racket anymore 09:52 I think we agree that it should be based on the current u.ublessed and not XL 09:53 the question is, should a healer that starts with a lot of gold generally be able to buy once - or not? 09:53 aosdict: I was actually thinking of incorporating both into the formula. 09:53 But I can see the argument for XL not mattering. 09:53 Or not mattering as much. 09:54 If you want to turn Healers away from petmongering (which I do), I don't think XL can be a factor. 09:54 I don't want to turn healers away from petmongering, because that is what distinguishes them from other roles IMO. 09:54 I want to make the roles more distinct, not more same-ey. 09:55 This is why healers in Fourk start with blessed eucalyptus. 09:55 I'm still thinking along the lines of adding a bard which would require Healers to find a new niche :) 09:55 Ah. 09:55 I see. 09:55 That does make sense then, but what would your new niche for healers _be_? 09:57 Don't know. Need to find one. 09:57 As I said, their advantage over bards is that they directly increase theirs and others' HP. 09:59 Maybe their thing could be pacifying hostile monsters by healing them or something along those lines. 10:00 [slex] Yuring (Pok Dro Fem Neu), 89 points, T:252, killed by a monster (pike) 10:00 Ooh, there's a thought. If you heal a hostile monster, it has a chance to be pacified that is a function of how far below max HP it is, compared to max HP? So if it's at 25% HP, it has a 75% chance to become peaceful? 10:01 And some smaller chance to become tame instead? 10:01 Naturally, certain monsters would be exempt. Rodney, for instance. 10:01 [slex] Yuring (Pok Dro Fem Neu), 10 points, T:4, killed by a monster (black unicorn) 10:01 [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "3 cursed fireproof scrolls of genocide named I can't believe I have to wish for these", on T:31266 10:01 s/these/this/ :( 10:02 Only problem is of course that adding a taming effect turns the direction back toward pets, and that monsters start at full HP so you need to beat them almost to death anyway. 10:02 True. 10:02 gah Tangles 10:05 oh... and I can't write it until I've formally identified it. 10:05 yani: if you are blind and your pet is on a leash, you can still see its location 10:05 RIP 20 marker charges. 10:06 [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed greased burnt fireproof magic marker named I can't believe I have to wish for this either", on T:31279 10:06 [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:31271 10:06 * aosdict is precognitive 10:07 [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:31274 10:07 lol 10:08 EPI: magic markers are only wishable during the months with R in their names. 10:09 x - a magic marker (0:99). D - a magic marker (0:62). 10:09 not too shabby. 10:10 jonadab: aka a junethack (and the entire may-august time period) nerf? 10:14 aosdict: Da. 10:18 [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:31291 10:30 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 10:33 [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:31387 10:36 woooo go Tangles! 10:36 jonadab: why R 10:37 so there's a 4-month period where you can't do it :P 10:38 [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the planes, on T:31407 10:38 [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:31407 10:39 lol I got Rodney, the minotaur and a "human king" on the plane of earth 10:39 human king is peaceful 10:40 FIQ: Propose a different letter that most of the months have in them, but June doesn't. I suppose A could work. 10:40 knocks off both junethack and devnull :) 10:41 devnull doesn't variants anyway. 10:41 by my count only 5 months have A in them though 10:42 January, February, March, April, May, August. 10:42 Yeah, only 5. 10:42 Can't do E because June has that. 10:43 how about all months without a J in them 10:43 gets nine of them 10:43 That could work. 10:45 since month names are constant anyway, how about this: EPI: magic markers are not wishable during June. 10:45 Well, yes, there is always that. 10:47 [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:11983 10:48 K2: Blessed monster detection shows no beholders on Air. 10:48 Two vorpal Js though 10:48 thats good... unless you can actually see them and its not working 10:49 vorpal J's are high up on my genocide list in gh FYI 10:49 however, you can tame them... 10:50 I can stay away from these I think. 10:50 also... wand of poly is the best escape from an air elemental! 10:51 You break out of the wolf's stomach! 10:51 Heh. 10:52 EPI: on Astral, polymorph always turns hostile monsters into archons. 10:52 followed by various amusing messages like: The wolf kicks its rear limbs in a futile attempt to move. 10:52 lol 10:52 The wolf kicks its rear limbs in a futile attempt to move. 10:52 not sure what that means 10:52 "rear limbs" is mbodypart for legs, on d. 10:52 It's trynig to move around on the plane of air without levitation. 10:52 And d can't fly. 10:53 how did that get there? 10:53 because Tangles polyed it 10:53 I see 10:53 you would think ripping out of most any monsters stomach would kill it 10:53 that's hilarious tho 10:54 i am imagining a wolf kicking like crazy trying to move while floating 10:54 There was also scorpion flailing about similarly which I can't explain, though it may have come trough the portal from Earth. 10:55 Hmm so the planes are randomised. I got water after air. 10:55 ah yes 10:55 i keep thinking you've ascended gh before 10:56 nothing crazy to note once you get to astral 10:56 There's a bunch of ; above the top of the water area. More level-flipping brokenness I guess. 10:56 planes are basically the same as well other than random order 10:56 Except for the stupid ceiling collapsing mechanic on Earth. 10:57 eh i never noticed that... why would you need to flip the planes 10:57 oh that 10:57 I've seen that before though . I think dnethack has it too. 10:57 jonadab: can you count 10:57 yeah - best way to get through the plane of earth is to dig with pick axe 10:57 january, february, march, april, may, august 10:57 is 6 10:58 K2: Can I levitate over the water? 10:58 FIQ: What do January, February, March, April, May, August have in common? 10:58 K2: blessed monster detection is suppoed to show everything 10:58 i dont believe so 10:58 ok 10:58 if beholders don't show 10:58 that is a bug 10:59 FIQ i'm pretty sure there werent any beholders at the time 10:59 OH, right, the ones with A. 10:59 Oh wait. I just remembered the E's swallow you and wet everything. 10:59 yes 10:59 water elementals - bad 10:59 you can suffocate 10:59 and planes E's are much tougher than elsewhere 11:06 [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed can of grease", on T:31487 11:08 [nd] simplejim (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1 11:08 YASI: cans of grease should appear as "a tin" when unidentified 11:09 And you need a tin opener to open it so you can use it? 11:11 You succeed in opening the tin. It smells like grease. Eat it? (y) The thick grease blocks your throat. You suffocate. DYWYPI? 11:13 That's probably an EPI 11:14 Yes. 11:17 YAY WATER IS DONE!!! (the whole plane of water is an EPI) 11:19 Yeah, I don't like some of the mechanics on Water, from a technical perspective. It feels like fake difficulty. 11:20 More tedious than actually difficult. 11:20 ALthough adding GruntHack elementals would certainly add some difficulty to it. 11:22 EPI: a level with minimal control where you are forced to move within a small area that moves randomly without any control for 3000 turns 11:22 oh wait, that's Water 11:23 Yes. 11:23 [slex] Yuring (Pok Dro Fem Neu), 2394 points, T:2700, quit 11:23 ;) 11:25 !lotg Tangles 11:25 May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, Tangles! 11:26 oh my 11:26 purple rain! 11:26 can't you fly over the water or swim through it? 11:26 3.4.3 yes 11:26 3.6.x no 11:26 gh no 11:26 unnethack i think also no 11:27 sporkhack no 11:27 can you swim through it with an amulet of magic breathing? 11:27 hmm swim no 11:27 lev over it yeah 11:27 3.4.3 11:27 [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:31656 11:27 you know i dont remember for 3.4.3 to be honest on the swimming bit 11:27 what happens when you try to swim through it with magic breathing? 11:28 i've always just stayed the hell out of the water on the plane of water 11:30 woooooo Tangles first altar! 11:30 bug_sniper: Thanks! lotg got me straight there :) 11:31 swimming with mag breathing works fine 11:31 but put your boh into an oilskin sack 11:32 beholders appear on the vanquished list below high priests, and above mastodons. 11:32 !lastgame 11:32 bug_sniper: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/Y/Yuring/slex/dumplog/1505139588.slex.txt 11:32 otherwise, you have to keep a can of grease handy and constantly re-apply to your sack/boh 11:33 lol 16 wishes. 11:33 that makes life a bit easier. 11:33 no Elbereth! 11:33 \o/ 11:34 Tangles has always been part of the no E club 11:34 [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2946014 points, T:31675, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/gh/dumplog/1504518417.gh.txt 11:34 wewt 11:34 K2: Not always. 11:34 grats Tangles 11:34 Thanks :) 11:34 as long as i've known you, you have 11:34 and congrats! 11:35 No, only recently since it started being tracked... I figured - how hard can it be? 11:35 and it's nearly useless in 3.6 anyway. 11:36 huh 11:36 ;) 11:37 but E-less ascensions are way more satisfying :) 11:37 so true 11:37 roger that 11:37 but I've never ascended any other way ... 11:37 ^ 11:38 btw, the oilskin fedora experiment was a success. 11:38 bhaak: vanila should track elbereth use. please make that happen 11:38 nice 11:39 acts as a greased helm, except the grease can never wear off. 11:39 did you get to add a property? 11:39 unfortunately to get that property the base item has to be cloth 11:39 yeah hence the fedora 11:40 oilskin fedora of dexterity or something? 11:40 Grasshopper: No. 11:40 oislin cornuthaum is progbably the best item for wiz 11:40 fedora for everyone else 11:40 *oilskin 11:40 oilskin *is* the property, but it's also the material, so doesn't stack with dragonhide either. 11:41 if you aren't going to geno flayers though 11:41 um 11:41 are you sure 11:41 imo that's broken. 11:41 I think oilskin can be applied to everything whose *base item* is cloth? 11:41 I think I'd rather have a dragonskin cornuthaum of brilliance (or whatever) 11:41 EPI: monsters can eat lizard corpses too, and cockatrice corpse hits are a delayed instadeath 11:42 that's not an EPI... 11:42 bug_sniper: gh does that already 11:42 it's how it works in every single variant 11:42 including vanilla 11:42 I didn't know monsters can eat them too 11:42 vanilla doesn't have delayed instadeath 11:42 FIQ: Yes I'm sure. I tried both ways. (dragonhide oilskin fedora, and oilskin fedora of brilliance) 11:43 the latter will not work 11:43 Grasshopper: correct 11:43 but when it is "supposed" to be delayed 11:43 monsters are allowed to eat lizard 11:43 or cast stone to flesh 11:43 FIQ: yes 11:43 (demo will do that) 11:43 which is very annoying 11:44 only grunt and fh has proper delayed stoning though 11:44 demo won't cast it if he is paralysed already 11:45 demo also dies easily if you drop a MOAB on him in the form of 3 or so cone of cold spells cast at skilled+ 11:45 that is how I dealt with him in my asc 11:46 FIQ: my favourite! 11:46 Grasshopper: acid blast is a fun way to take out the demon bosses also ;) 11:47 boom boom boom 11:47 preserves any potions they have on them 11:48 in ADOM acid destroys everything more or less 11:48 it's horrible 11:54 [nd] Grasshopper (Cav Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:73141 11:54 [nd] Grasshopper (Cav Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:73144 12:15 Go Grasshopper! 12:16 !lotg Grasshopper :) 12:16 May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, Grasshopper :)! 12:17 Anyway, way past my bedtime now. Good night! 12:34 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 12:35 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:36 . 12:36 LarienTelrunya: Message from aosdict at 2017-09-11 09:12 EDT: regarding disintegration traps in Gehennom, I think the key realization there is that players will usually go for the cheapest option 12:36 LarienTelrunya: Message from aosdict at 2017-09-11 09:13 EDT: and since searching everything is expensive only in time and food, it's "better" than the others 12:37 aosdict: my thoughts exactly, the "optimal" strategy would be to either farm for 50 scrolls of gold detection or search a dozen of times before taking each step, which makes the already very boring Gehennom into an even worse snorefest! 12:37 Evil Patch idea: a Gehennom with GEP-style disintegration traps *and* polka music on an endless loop. 12:39 EPI: magic mapping, object detection, and gold detection don't work in Gehennom. 12:40 In fact, they backfire, erasing the information you already have in player-character memory. 12:41 jonadab: wtf, you can't get past quest portal depth in dnethack? which role are you playing? 12:42 LarienTelrunya: I tried several. The times I got _to_ quest portal depth, I was a Barbarian. 12:42 This was circa 2014, I'm told dnethack is easier these days. 12:42 I'll get back to it eventually. 12:42 oh, I thought you were playing it lately 12:42 No, I'm playing FIQHack lately. 12:42 When I have time. 12:43 if you get around to it, try a samurai, apart from the dual-wielding nerf (and that can be overcome with sufficient training) they're the easiest role just like in almost all other variants :D 12:44 Eh, I found Samurai harder than some other roles in 3.4.3. I mean, I ascended it, but it took me about 60,000 more turns than with a Valkyrie. 12:45 *cough* 98% fail on Identify and Remove Curse. 12:45 Also, it's harder to get them off the ground in the early game, because you have to _find_ a longsword before you can dip for Excalibur. 12:46 I thought Valk and Ranger were both easier. 12:46 wtf, how can it take so long to ascend a samurai? for me it usually takes about 30k turns... and spellcasting??? samurai can't cast spells in vanilla! :P 12:46 How do you do inventory management in midgame without Identify? 12:47 I mean, yes, you _can_ resort to an all-scrolls approach. 12:47 most stuff can be use-tested with a little preparation 12:47 But it's more resource intensive. 12:47 being used to slex has made me pretty good at the ID game, if I may say so :) 12:47 If I wanted to use-test, I'd play Brogue. 12:48 in vanillaoid variants, my samurai read exactly one spellbook: the one required to have a forgotten spell later; unfortunately it takes so long for it to be forgotten that I sometimes ascend before that happens! 12:51 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 12:51 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v hothraxxa] by ChanServ 12:52 LarienTelrunya: another reason why amnesia should drain spell memory 12:52 Bar and Cav are the only roles where I don't try to cast inventory-management spells like Identify and Remove Curse. 12:53 aosdict: well in slex it can delete spells from the player's spell menu entirely 12:53 jonadab: if spellcasting wasn't so awful in vanilla (even the slightest bit of armor gives huge penalties) I'd maybe try to use it 12:54 The good armor doesn't have spellcasting penalties. 12:54 DSM, helm of brilliance, gauntlets of dexterity, etc. 12:54 Speed boots. 12:54 No penalties. 12:55 Also, for most roles I only cast at my stash. Not in combat. 12:55 * LarienTelrunya refuses to use stashes 12:55 So needing to e.g. switch out a cloak of MR for a robe is not a deal breaker for me, for that. 12:55 Oh, you play stashless? Do you play ais523-style conducxt? 12:55 Minimalist? 12:55 also gauntlets of power trashes spellcasting chances :( 12:55 LarienTelrunya: yani: amnesia only deletes *fully forgotten* spells from the menu 12:56 LarienTelrunya: Gauntlets of power are really only useful in the early game, when your strength is poop otherwise. 12:56 aosdict: that's against the spirit of amnesia though! it's supposed to be a bad effect that the player wants to avoid! 12:56 Onc eyou get your strength up past 18, GoP becomes the inferior gauntlets option. 12:56 jonadab: I'm pretty sure her solution was to blow slex's carrycap through the ceiling? 12:57 Isn't forgetting spells entirely, and draining their recall otherwise, a bad effect? 12:57 Oh, I am willing to freely admit that normal strategies used for other variants may not be fully applicable to slex. 12:57 aosdict: oh you mean if it has memory left, amnesia would set it to 0%? 12:58 EPI: amnesia makes you forget how to read and write. 12:58 EPI: amnesia can also make you forget how to walk in certain directions. So for example maybe you can no longer walk northwest. 12:58 LarienTelrunya: no, if it *is* at 0%, it might get deleted from the list, like in slex. But only if it's already at 0% 12:59 aosdict: But what happens if there is still memory left? 12:59 If it's not at 0%, of course, it will get dragged closer to 0%. 12:59 ah 12:59 So a mind flayer's multiple attacks might drain something to 0% and then delete it 12:59 EPI: amnesia can reduce your skill _caps_. 13:00 I think you already came up with that one 13:00 Oh, possibly. 13:00 jonadab: slex has your proposed attack that reduces skill caps, although I made it proc so rarely that I've never seen it happen in an actual game 13:00 yeah because elves don't suck enough 13:00 of course they don't, that's why we have mind flayers 13:01 epi: foocubus mind flayers that make you take off your hat before they suck you 13:02 EPI: covetous mind flayers that warp to your location and suck your brain, on the same turn. 13:03 jonadab: that's telemindflayers in slex :D 13:03 Of course it is. 13:03 Should have known that one would already exist. 13:03 foocubus mind flayers would be interesting but I think the seduction code annoyingly makes it so that after a successful seduction, the monster stops attacking for that turn :( 13:04 balance 13:04 EPI: add mind flayer attacks to whatever dnethack monster has the sucking attack, i.e. the one that sucks random equipment off of you. 13:04 EPI: a monster with an attack that summons foocubi, nymphs, flayers, and soldiers with trice corpses. 13:07 EPI: new dungeon branch, consists of undiggable mazes where the floor is lava, and every level has flayers and a type of nymph that can fly. You must complete thirty levels to get the key to Vlad's Tower. 13:07 The entire branch is non-teleport and non-levelports. 13:08 add it to fourk! you said somewhere in your dungeon overhaul proposal that a new multilevel branch in Gehennom would be nice :) 13:13 What was it about Fourk that gave you the impression I think an entire branch full of undiggable mazes would be great? 13:14 Was it the part where I made Gehennom NOT be full of mazes, or was it the part where I made wands of digging work the same on maze levels as on any other level? 13:15 neither, it was the part where Fourk was implementing EPIs from the gehennom evil patch, such as certain dragons having their breath attack as a melee attack, specifically the black dragon that will disintegrate your cloak despite resistance 13:15 that maze branch should have a dozen or so of them on every level, and they should be ungenocidable of course 13:15 Those only occur in Dragon Halls. 13:15 Which gives them a very limited scope. 13:16 yeah but it doesn't have to be like that, in the evil patch... :D 13:16 Oh, sure, in the evil patch even grid bugs can disintegrate you with their touch. 13:17 jonadab: epi: the lavamazes aren't undiggable, just whenever you dig the floor, it fills in with lava and you fall in 13:35 [nd] simplejim (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 4054 points, T:4425, killed by a fire ant 13:38 K2: track of elbereth is on the list, I guess. but it won't happen on 3.6 because of compatibility reasons 14:00 [nd] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4704 14:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:11 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:14 Yeah, adding conducts breaks save compat unless you pre-allocate extra conducts in preparation for it. 14:19 Are 3.6.* updates intended to preserve save compat? I hadn't thought so 14:25 The dev team usually only breaks save compat when the second number changes (the 6 in this case). 14:26 Sometimes not even then. 14:27 There was a bug on the official 3.4.3 bug list that could only be triggered by loading a saved game created with an earlier version. 14:27 C341-1 14:45 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 15:33 bhaak: ok good to know, thank you 16:30 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 16:30 -!- weber.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org ¤ GruntHack 0.2.2 and Slash'EM Extended 2.0.5 are now live - NetHack 3.6.1-dev has been updated 16:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 16:31 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 16:32 EPI: if a fiberglass insulation golem touches you, it causes severe itchiness for 5d50 turns. Each turn, this has a 1/3 chance to cause you to skip your turn to scratch; if you are wielding a pointed or bladed weapon, you scratch yourself with that, injuring yourself in the process. 16:38 !tell Grasshopper you play a lot of nhdev games; how often do you see a widemaze level generate? 16:38 Will do, aosdict! 16:43 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 16:43 -!- Menche_ is now known as Menche 17:23 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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