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00:23 <Beholder> [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:26159
00:23 <Beholder> [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) picked up the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:26163
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03:45 <Beholder> [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 5689 points, T:4189, killed by a gnome lord
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05:40 <Beholder> [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 9690 points, T:5730, killed by a white unicorn
05:58 <Beholder> [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Geryon, on T:26492
06:28 <Beholder> [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:26994
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06:29 <Tangles> A tower of flame erupts from the water!
06:30 <Tangles> Grunthack trolls you with water pools and fire traps at the same time!
06:37 <Tangles> Status of the beholder (chaotic):  Level 25  HP 109(109)  AC -6.
06:37 <Tangles> first one.
06:38 <elenmirie> eek
06:41 <Tangles> There was a 5 approaching me from behind a boulder... I put the blindfold on and got nothing from telepathy, so I figured it was just another iron golem.
06:41 <Tangles> It wasn't.
07:02 <Beholder> [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) averted death, on T:27487
07:02 <Tangles> ugh
07:02 <Tangles> that was another beholder
07:02 <elenmirie> ouch
07:09 <Tangles> right... demogorgon is next, but I have to go back to the stash first... lighten the load :)
07:40 <Beholder> [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Demogorgon, on T:28051
07:40 <Tangles> That did not quite go to plan
07:47 <elenmirie> he's dead, that's what matters...
07:54 <jonadab> Yes, I sort of expected to see a "by" in that line.
07:58 <Tangles> Yeah I only had one potion of paralysis, and he woke up before I finished him.
07:59 <Tangles> Also I figured he would stay put in his room, but he came out and greeted me in the corridor before I was ready.
07:59 <jonadab> Yes, he did that to me too.
07:59 <elenmirie> same here
08:36 <K2> woo Tangles
08:38 <Tangles> :)
08:48 <Tangles> Status of the beholder (chaotic):  Level 25  HP 96(96)  AC -6, asleep.
08:48 <Tangles> that's the 3rd one. In Rodney's zoo (spawned later after I had cleared it).
08:49 <Tangles> Having them spawn with warning level 5 is useful.
08:55 <Beholder> [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:29008
08:56 <Beholder> [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) picked up the Book of the Dead, on T:29009
09:06 <elenmirie> !pom
09:06 <Beholder> elenmirie: The moon is waning gibbous; new moon in 10 days.
09:06 <Beholder> [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the Invocation, on T:29089
09:07 <Beholder> [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:29097
09:14 <Beholder> [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 11628 points, T:7902, killed by a mumak
09:50 <aosdict> oh, I read that last line as "Tangles, killed by a mumak" and thought "noooo"
09:51 <elenmirie> nah, it was only me and my $(£&("&! conduct monks
09:52 <Beholder> [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the elven high priest of Moloch, on T:29408
09:53 <Beholder> [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) picked up the Amulet of Yendor, on T:29416
09:53 <aosdict> and then I automatically tried to interpret that string of punctuation marks...
09:53 <aosdict> two demons guarding some gold, tools, an amulet, potion, and whatever £ is
09:54 <elenmirie> heh
09:56 <aosdict> anyway, go Tangles!
09:56 <elenmirie> go go!
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10:08 * aosdict wonders if it's worth adding a wiki page for monster-player symmetry
10:08 <FIQ> what would it contai
10:09 <FIQ> n
10:10 <aosdict> basically describing what it is as a design principle, examples, and probably highlighting fiqhack since I think that goes the farthest towards symmetry
10:10 <FIQ> grunthack also tried
10:10 <FIQ> several years before
10:10 <FIQ> but it didn't go as far
10:11 <FIQ> anyway, idk
10:11 <FIQ> up to you
10:15 <Beholder> [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:29971
10:16 <Beholder> [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:30002
10:31 <LarienTelrunya> Evil Patch idea: metallic weapons can also hinder spellcasting.
10:34 <FIQ> LarienTelrunya: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Phol_ende_wodan/Combat_system_overhaul
10:34 <FIQ> this overhaul increases fail% for weapon use
10:35 <LarienTelrunya> any weapon? even if it's made of wood?
10:36 <FIQ> the idea is
10:36 <FIQ> the less free your hands are
10:36 <FIQ> the bigger fail%
10:36 <FIQ> presumably this means that most helmets wouldn't increase fail% at all
10:36 <FIQ> aosdict: would it?
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10:44 <aosdict> FIQ: well, metal still blocks spellcasting
10:45 <aosdict> and light nonmetallic weapons, under perhaps 20 weight, do not block spellcasting at all
10:45 <aosdict> (wizard will start with a staff that isn't a quarterstaff and is under this weight threshold)
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11:07 <aosdict> if any armor slot really shouldn't have metal affect spellcasting, it's boots
11:34 <Tangles> ugh. a troll just zapped my entire stack of holy water with polymorph
11:34 <Tangles> I now have 20 blessed potions of fruit jiuce.
11:34 <Tangles> juice
11:41 <Beholder> [nd] Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7842
11:46 <Tangles> my only altar in the main dungeon is a cross-aligned temple, and I didn't want the murder penalty from killing the priest, but fortunately I had stashed a wand of create monster there, which created a trapper on the first zap.
11:46 <Tangles> so I took a couple of steps back and put on my ring of conflict :)
11:47 <Tangles> ..and used the trapper corpse to convert the altar :)
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11:58 <Beholder> [nd] Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a homunculus, on T:9141
12:00 <Beholder> [nd] Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 12110 points, T:9526, killed by a quasit
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12:30 <aosdict> anyone know off the top of their head whether an amulet of life saving will work in unnethack if you are currently undead?
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12:54 <FIQ> Tangles: meh, not that bad
12:54 <FIQ> just blank it and confused-remove curse
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13:12 <aosdict> yani: for an alchemist role, the main form of combat is creating phials of potion (one potion -> many phials) and tossing them at monsters to do damage. The main ones used for this purpose are things like acid, oil, paralysis, confusion
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13:30 <Grasshopper> yani: new quest artifact for alchemists, "The Philosopher's Stone", which can turn other metal objects into gold
13:30 <Tarmunora_> Quest artifact: philosopher's stone, which you can rub rocks on to turn them into gold coins (1 to 1 ratio maybe?), and invoke for healing
13:35 <ais523> how effective would gold weapons be?
13:37 <jonadab> Depends.  Gold would probably be alright for something that derives a lot of value from high mass, such as a flail.  Not so good for something like a dagger.
13:38 <FIQ> wouldn't gold do somewhat decent damage if blunt but be prone to breaking?
13:39 <aosdict> What people have talked about before is that gold should have a bonus versus undead, because of its sun association
13:39 <FIQ> aosdict: as for your question on LS functionality -- yes it will work
13:40 <aosdict> (adding a third entry to the list of specific materials that have special rules for certain types of monsters)
13:40 <aosdict> jonadab: probably the easiest way to implement that is as a damage bonus if the weapon damage type is blunt and not otherwise?
13:40 <FIQ> aosdict: but yeah, good point
13:40 <FIQ> I'll fix that
13:41 <Grasshopper> haha, "blunt" is a good point lol
13:41 <aosdict> FIQ: yes, the followup yani is that "oLS should not work if polyed into an undead or, in things like unnethack, if you start as one
13:42 <aosdict> nerfs polyselfing to vampire, which is good
13:42 <FIQ> !tell K2 pushed a fiqhack update
13:42 <Beholder> Will do, FIQ!
13:43 <FIQ> also contains part of an xhity merge which I tested and seems to work, but might have bugs
13:43 <FIQ> might as well have it tested
13:47 <FIQ> aosdict: also
13:47 <FIQ> nonliving
13:47 <FIQ> not just undead
13:49 <aosdict> Tarmunora_: the invoke effect of the Philosopher's Stone should be to create a potion of the Elixir of Life, which cures sickness and restores attributes, but most importantly grants temporary intrinsic lifesaving
13:49 <FIQ> it takes a potion as input
13:49 <FIQ> and replaces the potion with that
13:50 <aosdict> if lifesaved while having intrinsic lifesaving, the remaining timeout is lost.
13:50 <FIQ> aosdict: it should also fully restore HP
13:51 <ais523> would it be clear when the timeout had ended? almost ended?
13:51 <aosdict> FIQ: not sure it should be better HP-wise than the Staff of Aesculapius
13:51 <aosdict> ais523: yes
13:51 <aosdict> which only heals half the difference when invoked
13:52 <FIQ> the potion thing is to mitigate the obvious abuse potential by farming an endless supply by spamming wait
13:52 <ais523> perhaps it should give a big temporary HPregen boost, rather than increasing current HP
13:52 <Tarmunora_> aosdict: I was imagining the invoke to be about equal to a !oFH/Healer quest art
13:53 <FIQ> aosdict: what would the base item of it be? a ruby?
13:53 <FIQ> the only place I've seen one in fiction is from HP, and that was red
13:54 <FIQ> no idea how it's usually portrayed
13:54 <Tarmunora_> Alternately, #dip it into potions (of sickness?) to make them into (extra/full) healing
13:55 <aosdict> FIQ: I don't think it's ever had a "canonical" color
13:55 <FIQ> aosdict: I see
13:55 <ais523> historically it's something that people were trying to make, rather than something that anyone succeeded in making
13:55 <bhaak> should an "oLS turn you into a living version if you "die" as an undead?
13:55 <aosdict> I would avoid ruby because some variants make the Heart of Ahriman one
13:55 <ais523> as nobody succeeded in making one we don't know what colour it is
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13:55 <FIQ> dnethack does, yeah
13:56 <Tarmunora_> Opal might be suitable
13:56 <FIQ> worthless piece of x glass :P
13:56 <aosdict> Garnet, if you want the dark red from harry potter
13:56 <aosdict> oh, and of course, the quest leader should be Nicolas Flamel :)
13:56 <FIQ> ha
13:57 <FIQ> Tangles: did you ever get around to looking into making a monster lookup for Beholder?
13:57 <FIQ> considering the state of Pinobot and how rarely it is up nowdays..
13:57 <FIQ> and the fact that it's rather out of date in the rare event that it is up
13:58 <Tarmunora_> Quest nemesis is an Avatar of Death -- a weaker and non-rider version of Death
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14:02 <aosdict> so the issue with the philosopher's stone is not making it an infinite/indefinite source of powerful potions
14:02 <FIQ> aosdict: I  already gave you a solution...
14:02 <FIQ> Make it take an existing potion as input
14:02 <FIQ> and replace the content
14:03 <aosdict> Still doesn't prevent you from turning all the junk potions into elixirs of life/full healing over time, though.
14:03 <FIQ> You also want water
14:03 <FIQ> And actual healing potions
14:03 <FIQ> Etc
14:04 <FIQ> Also
14:04 <FIQ> LS is most useful in saving you from yourself
14:04 <FIQ> Which means you want LS at all times if possible
14:04 <FIQ> not just "when things go south"
14:05 <FIQ> Meaning you have to consider if you want to consume them ASAP to ensure you have the LS
14:05 <FIQ> Or save them for when things turn south
14:06 <aosdict> is this assuming EoL does give you temporary LS, and not the other effects people mentioned?
14:07 <FIQ> This is assuming it cures sickness, restores abilities and gives LS
14:07 <FIQ> aosdict: btw, have you heard of
14:07 <FIQ> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Potion of invulnerability
14:08 <FIQ> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Potion_of_invulnerability now clickable
14:09 <aosdict> yes, I know of that, but the elixir of life seems like directly preventing death is more appropriate than blocking damage
14:09 <FIQ> right
14:09 <FIQ> just wanted to link an example of a similar thing
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14:56 <Beholder> [nd] Grasshopper (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:71040
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16:19 <K2> FIQhack updated
16:19 <Beholder> K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-09-10 13:42 EDT: pushed a fiqhack update
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17:43 <Beholder> [nd] Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:4095
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19:03 <Beholder> [nd] Duncet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1095
19:05 <Beholder> [nd] Duncet (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 553 points, T:1185, killed by a giant bat
20:06 <hothraxxa> The voice of Hermes booms: "Use my gift wisely!"
20:06 <hothraxxa> F - a scalpel of frost.
20:07 <hothraxxa> *facepalm*
20:07 <FIQ> hothraxxa is playing healer in grunthack
20:07 <hothraxxa> dynahack
20:08 <FIQ> huh, ok
20:08 <FIQ> what if knives could cause the opponent to bleed, causing hp drain over time
20:08 <hothraxxa> dynahack healers are really tough
20:08 <hothraxxa> to play, that is. they're awfully squishy
20:10 <aosdict> FIQ: but the frost will freeze the wound, preventing it! :)
20:10 <hothraxxa> they're restricted in armor and shield, but i don't think there's any balance for that
20:10 <hothraxxa> so you run into tougher monsters sooner than vanilla/fh etc
20:11 <hothraxxa> but you have little defence against them
20:11 <hothraxxa> and weapon skills need 50 hits to advance to basic
20:11 <hothraxxa> so lots of fun with my crude dagger
20:12 <hothraxxa> you miss. you miss. you miss. you miss. you miss. oh you hit for 1 hp, you lucky nastard
20:12 <hothraxxa> er
20:12 <hothraxxa> bastard
20:12 <hothraxxa> i don't see where healers ever catch up to the other roles
20:33 <Beholder> [nd] Duncet (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 821 points, T:2636, killed by a giant bat
20:35 <FIQ> in fiqhack, I gave healers boosted hp regen
20:35 <FIQ> to make up for them having it a bit tougher due to crappy weapons
20:43 <jonadab> I think they're really supposed to be pet-reliant.
20:43 <jonadab> It's tempting to give them a pet that can grow up more than the regular ones.
20:43 <jonadab> But I'm not sure what would make flavor sense.
20:47 <aosdict> They are in kind of the same quagmire as a potential bard would be.
20:47 <aosdict> Healers don't really adventure on their own, they play support for a group of PCs.
20:49 <jonadab> Yeah.
20:50 <jonadab> This is why I think adding a bard role would be redundant.  The flavor is different, but the gameplay is going to be the same: you have to run a pet build.
20:50 <aosdict> It could be an interesting challenge to make one of them spin off from having pets be a clearly optimal strategy
20:52 <aosdict> Probably the Healer, since bard's abilities are all about buffing allies, whereas Healers can at least heal themselves
20:52 <FIQ> except pet use isn't the optimal strategy
20:52 <FIQ> because NH pets are terrible
20:52 <jonadab> Well, there's evasion, but Class Overhaul calls for Arc to be that.
20:53 <aosdict> FIQ: then what do you consider to be optimal strategy for vanilla healers?
20:53 <jonadab> FIQ: NH pets are better than Brogue allies, because A) they're easier to obtain several of, B) easier to keep alive, C) easier to replace if they die.
20:53 <FIQ> YANI: sphere conjurer (better name welcome) with an ability to conjure up spheres
20:53 <jonadab> FIQ: Slash'EM has three roles that are that.
20:53 <FIQ> as enemy
20:54 <jonadab> Wait, you conjure enemy spheres...  what is the benefit?
20:54 <FIQ> no no
20:54 <FIQ> an enemy
20:54 <FIQ> that does this
20:54 <jonadab> Ah.
20:54 <FIQ> more fun if you add new spheres
20:54 <jonadab> I see, a sphere-conjuring monster.
20:54 <FIQ> that can heal/buff allies, and debuff you
20:54 <jonadab> FIQ: the Evil Patch adds several spheres.
20:55 <jonadab> Slowing sphere, disintegrating sphere, et.c
20:55 <FIQ> slowing sphere is an EPI?
20:55 <FIQ> speaking of slowing sphere
20:55 <FIQ> I had a silly idea for a special gehennom level
20:56 <jonadab> slowing sphere isn't as evil as disintegrating sphere.
20:56 <FIQ> a bigroom with a bunch of loot on it, but with rapid spawn of spheres that decrease movement speed if close
20:56 <FIQ> and if decreased to 0, you die (frozen in time)
20:56 <jonadab> Actually, not really evil if the effect is temporary.  Naturally, in the evil patch, the effect is permanent and cumulative.
20:57 <FIQ> and your loot is spread out on the level, but you and the monsters cease to exist for the next adventurer
20:57 <Beholder> [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a water moccasin, on T:8599
20:57 <FIQ> K2 the Water Moccasin
20:57 <K2> rawr
20:58 <jonadab> Eh, perhaps your player character should still exist but be frozen in time until the next adventurer kills all the spheres, then revive.
20:58 <aosdict> K2: go kill some adventurers
20:59 <FIQ> YASI: if you're a water moccasin, you can crawl into a fountain to access a fountain network for the entire dungeon
20:59 <jonadab> Heh.
21:01 <aosdict> SMOPy for sure
21:01 <bug_sniper> ??piety
21:01 <bug_sniper> oops, wrong channel
21:04 <FIQ> bug_sniper: offer more gold
21:19 <K2> Pick an object.
21:19 <K2> X       a xorn or a ghost (k2's ghost)
21:19 <K2> Pick an object.
21:19 <K2> X       a xorn or a ghost (Tangles' ghost)
21:19 <K2> double ghosts!
21:20 * K2 makes ghosts appears as X
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21:21 <Tangles> K2: nice :)
21:22 <K2> heh
21:22 <Tangles> hope I had some good loot for you (but I suspect I did not)
21:25 <K2> lot of loot here
21:25 <K2> you were playing a gnome healer
21:25 <K2> mines 
21:25 <K2> lots of hill giants
21:26 <K2> my ghosts loot stash on the other hand, was weak
21:26 <K2> dorf arc trying to do protection racket
21:27 <K2> and you had a BoH
21:27 <K2> cursed but i can fix that
21:28 <Tangles> I dont' really remember. I was trying to get a gnome healer started (protection racket as well) for a while, so you'll probably find a few of them in the mines.
21:29 <Tangles> I eventually got tired of it, and started playing randoms, and of course the one that stuck was a dwarf valk.
21:30 <K2> those can be some of the best games
21:30 <K2> my first unnethack asc was a random goof off knight
21:31 <K2> HAH! by bones pile had a regular sack. in said sack is frost brand
21:32 <Tangles> My dNethack ascension in June started that way as well (goof-off anachrononaut, trying to get the all-new-roles trophy).
21:32 <Tangles> Frosty is a nice thing to leave for your future self :)
21:35 <Tangles> My valk is ready for the planes. Just gotta do a bit of housekeeping first, and lighten the load (carrying about 80k gold from a priest that sadly had to go), but it was 2am by the time I reached the final stairs, so I decided to defer until tonight.
21:36 <K2> good call
21:36 <K2> question: how do you feel the changes to beholder are?
21:37 <K2> didnt sound like you started to see them spawn until around orcus town depth
21:37 <Tangles> oh I thought you meant the bot. :P
21:38 <K2> heheheh
21:38 <Tangles> The first two both spawned on one of the fake tower levels. Both awake too (probably because some L cast aggro monsters)
21:39 <Tangles> One showed as a 5 behind a boulder, so was easily dealt with, the other I was not so lucky. Got slowed, cancelled and stoned (and a couple of others I think) all in a single turn.
21:39 <K2> damn
21:40 <K2> spawned awke, ouch
21:40 <Tangles> There was another in the sanctum, and another somewhere in between.
21:40 <Tangles> both asleep.
21:40 <K2> right. they are supposed to spawn asleep
21:41 <Tangles> So yeah I've seen about 4 beholders and exactly 0 scrolls of genocide.
21:41 <K2> i guess that sounds about right given how deadly they are, when they start to appear
21:42 <K2> i was going to ask, were you going for genocideless conduct
21:42 <Tangles> Well not exactly by choice (though I do have wishes left)
21:42 <K2> i'm curious to see how many appear in the planes
21:43 <K2> if they appear on fire or air that could be a big problem
21:43 <K2> given how 'loud' those levels can be
21:43 <Tangles> I have about 5 spare "oLS, so I'll let you know.
21:43 <K2> oh boy
21:44 <K2> good luck!
21:44 <K2> !lotg Tangles
21:44 <Beholder> May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, Tangles!
21:44 <Tangles> :)
21:46 <Tangles> Oh you found Frost Brand as a monk.
21:46 <Tangles> That figures.
21:54 <K2> oooooof course ;)
21:54 <Grasshopper> Good luck Tangles!
21:54 <K2> alright early early day tomorrow, gonna go to bed. good luck Tangles, hope to wake up and see your ascension announcement!
21:55 <K2> o/
21:55 <Grasshopper> K2 I just woke up! Good night
21:55 <K2> lol gnite and good morning ;)
21:57 <bug_sniper> !lotbsod Tangles 
21:57 <Tangles> good night K2
21:58 <Tangles> You'll probably be back before I get a chance to play again anyhow :)
22:01 <Beholder> [slex] Yuring (Pok Dro Fem Neu), 16106 points, T:7197, killed by a monster (troll zombie)
22:09 <bug_sniper> !lastgame
22:09 <Beholder> bug_sniper: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/Y/Yuring/slex/dumplog/1504856229.slex.txt
22:17 <Tangles> Grasshopper: How are you doing? Recovering well?
22:21 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)]
22:22 <Grasshopper> Yeah, still sleeping more than Nethacking - had the stitches out of my 7cm long gash below the right ankle yesterday
22:22 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought
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22:22 <Beholder> [slex] Yuring (Pri Ent Fem Neu) shouted "Is ent human?", on T:1205
22:22 <Grasshopper> still no jumping for me for a while
22:23 * aosdict gives Grasshopper a pair of jumping boots and a lump of royal jelly
22:24 <Grasshopper> aosdict: heh, yum
22:24 <Tangles> Grasshopper: Sounds like progress
22:25 <Tangles> which I guess is a good thing :)
22:25 <Grasshopper> I afraid to look under the bandage... :P
22:25 <Grasshopper> last time I had stitches out (5 on an inner arm wound) the wound just popped open anyway
22:25 <Grasshopper> nice scare
22:25 <Beholder> [slex] Yuring (Pri Ent Fem Neu) shouted "Then why there are kops?", on T:1251
22:25 <Grasshopper> scar
22:30 <bug_sniper> how do you shout like that?
22:30 <Tangles> #shout
22:30 <Tangles> I think it's only enabled in slex
22:30 <Beholder> [slex] Yuring (Pri Ent Fem Neu), 684 points, T:1366, petrified by a coming into contact with a petrifying object
22:30 <Tangles> the function exists in unnethack too, but I think we disabled it.
22:31 <bug_sniper> why is it disabled?
22:31 <bug_sniper> actually, let me see
22:31 <Beholder> [un] bugsniper (Val Dwa Fem Law), 12597 points, T:5956, quit
22:32 <bug_sniper> yep, it's disabled
22:32 <Tangles> Yeah... when I was helping K2 build it initially, we had to come up with some default options, and I think we just turned it off because we thought it would be spammy.
22:33 <Tangles> but there's probably no real reason not to enable it (especially if it's enabled for slex anyway)
22:34 <Grasshopper> what is it good for? Waking pets?
22:35 <Tangles> Grasshopper: No all it does is write something to the livelog, which then gets broadcast here.
22:35 <bug_sniper> lol
22:36 <Tangles> I think the original idea was that n00bs could #shout for help, without necessarily knowing of the existence of the various irc channels.
22:37 <bug_sniper> EPI: if you shout in response to the mailer daemon in demogorgon's lair, he wakes up and comes to tell you to shut up
22:37 <bug_sniper> YASI is better
22:38 <Beholder> [slex] bugsniper (Nec Spe Mal Neu) shouted "test", on T:1
22:38 <Tangles> What's a Demon Lord gotta do to get some sleep around here? :)
22:45 <bug_sniper> YANI: inter-game shouting to mail to someone in another game
22:52 <Tangles> You hear distant shouting: "HE|F M-!"
22:54 <Tangles> uses (something like) existing engraving erosion code because you are unable to clearly make out the words.
22:57 <bug_sniper> ??vehemut
22:57 <bug_sniper> oops
23:01 <aosdict> shouting is also useful for if the RNG really messes you up and you want to rage at the heavens
23:01 <Grasshopper> Tangles: #shout would give me a way to communicate to the irc channel when the DroneBL bot  decides I'm running an open proxy
23:02 <Grasshopper> which it does sometimes, as the ISP randonly allocates IP addresses from a pool and some people in that pool seem to run open proxy servers
23:02 <Tangles> that's annoying
23:02 <Grasshopper> then DroneBL blocks me because of someone else's bad behaviour 
23:03 <Grasshopper> Tangles: yes it is very annoying 
23:03 <Grasshopper> it would be better if the DroneBL people took some effort to match their open proxy profiling with say hardware profiling
23:04 <Grasshopper> or even location profiling (as their website often reports the activity happenning in China or Russia for example, which are places I am not)
23:05 <FIQ> Grasshopper: tell #freenode about it?
23:05 <Grasshopper> I suggested it to DroneBL and was firmly ignored
23:06 <Grasshopper> I offered to help them talk to my ISP if that would help (they mostly don't speak English very well so good luck with that)
23:07 <Grasshopper> the DroneBL site says that input to them must be in ENGLISH ONLY (their shouting) so I guess they must be very open to new ideas
23:07 <aosdict> what sort of middleman is DroneBL that can deny you a connection to freenode but not hardfought?
23:08 <Grasshopper> Freenode follows their lists and bans you outright if your IP address is on it
23:08 <Grasshopper> the ban is all of freenode, inc #hardfought
23:09 <aosdict> I meant the actual hardfought server, not this channel
23:09 <Grasshopper> sometimes I can resolve the issue by resetting my router (getting a new IP address), but you never know you might just get another blocked IP
23:09 <Grasshopper> aosdict: there is no connection between freenode and hardfought regarding blocking IP addresses
23:10 <Grasshopper> so when freenode blocks me I can still play on HDF
23:10 <aosdict> yes, you explained it
23:10 <Grasshopper> I can even see what you're talking about through the log
23:10 <Grasshopper> aosdict: k
23:10 <aosdict> effectively a freenode-level blacklist
23:11 <Grasshopper> yeah - and I only experience it from this location with this ISP
23:11 <Grasshopper> and I'm not running any servers or anything like that here
23:11 <FIQ> can't you use tor?
23:12 <aosdict> I suppose you couldn't use the webirc client either
23:12 <FIQ> solve proxy issues with more proxies!
23:12 <Grasshopper> FIQ: I have been thinking about up a VPN for a while, even if only so I can access more content from places like Australia and USA
23:13 <Grasshopper> it makes a lot of sense
23:15 <Tangles> There is no content to access in Australia :P
23:15 <Grasshopper> yes there is: try ABC's iview for example
23:15 <Grasshopper> iview geoblocks you if you are not in Australia
23:15 <Tangles> Oh actually SBS On Demand has quite a good collection of movies and TV shows.
23:16 <Grasshopper> SBS blocks you too I think (not 100% sure, pretty sure)
23:16 <Tangles> Yeah I imagine it would. 
23:16 <Grasshopper> they claim copyright reasons 
23:22 <Tangles> Grasshopper: I've been considering a VPN for a while too, mainly for accessing US Netflix content.
23:23 <Tangles> But... I just don't seem to watch enough TV to justify the effort.
23:26 <Grasshopper> Tangles: yes, torrenting is usually enoug h for me too. Plus there is no performance degradation
23:26 <Beholder> [slex] Yuring (Pok Dro Mal Neu), 4030 points, T:1593, quit
23:36 <Beholder> [slex] Yuring (Lib Gno Fem Neu), 76 points, T:375, killed by a monster (New Kop)