00:10 -!- Crawldragon360 has joined #hardfought 00:10 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:10 -!- Crawldragon360 is now known as Crawldragon 00:14 -!- zombifier has joined #hardfought 00:26 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:53 [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu), 3872 points, T:2960, killed by a mumak 00:55 This is the wrong kind of tomato for this sandwich 00:55 but nevertheless this is the best kind of sandwich to have when you're drunk 01:09 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:17 [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a mummy wrapping on an altar, on T:3330 01:23 !who 01:23 Grasshopper: k2 [gh] 01:24 !what 01:24 !how 01:24 heh 01:24 !which 01:24 !where and !why 01:25 my best friends 01:27 ;) 01:27 hows the ankle 01:29 Rudyard Kipling “I keep six honest serving men (they taught me all i knew); Theirs names are What and Why and When And How And Where and Who.” 01:30 He forgot about the which - maybe she got burned at the stake 01:30 K2: ankle is recovering bit by bit. Stitches due out tomorrow 01:31 \o/ 01:31 Haven't spent much time nethacking - sitting up at a table is not great as fluids then tend to pool and cause swelling 01:32 and walking funny made my hip and back hurt like hell, so spent more time just lying down and sleeping or reading or watching "Kung Fu" 01:32 * K2 approves of Kung Fu 01:32 'which style do you know master?' 'I know all styles' 01:33 but feels a bit better today and yesterday, still hurts though - trying not to take too much pain med 01:33 take a combo of tylenol and ibuprofen at same time 01:33 you'll be right as rain 01:33 Season 1 of Kung fu is better than Season 2 01:34 I guess that is to be expected, they mined the best Shaolin stories first 01:34 Now I realise this huge influence on Tanrantino 01:34 as you must know, he was a western and Carradine fan 01:34 is 01:34 ^ that 01:38 It seems weird to be in rural SE Asia yet absorbing eastern philospohy from a 25 year old US western 01:39 or maybe I'm just in a better position to practice it :P 01:39 or just be, observe 01:40 25? 01:40 35 01:40 closer to 40 01:40 yeah maybe 40yrs 01:40 van halen's 'eruption' was recorded 40 yrs ago yesterday 01:41 lol 45 yrs ago for kung fu 01:41 1st episode oct 14 1972 01:41 ah, I was about to say I can try to be the nothing, the space within the wheel that gives it strength, but Van Halen makes much more sense 01:41 we're OLD 01:42 Don't worry, some of us youngsters happen to enjoy music that old 01:42 you better 01:42 In fact some of us like music much older than that, from Beethoven's time even. 01:43 its a little known fact that true music didnt exist until eddie van halen was born 01:43 Lies. Beethoven was the one who standardized orchestral music, which is the best kind of music. 01:44 everything PVH (pre van halen) was just a warm up to the real thing 01:44 best? Maybe purest is a better word, but it is still lacking 01:44 the word I mean 01:45 Yeah orchestral music is actually kind of fuzzy around the edges, which is kind of peculiar 01:45 It would be more accurate to say my favorite music personally is 21st century orchestral but that's just splitting hairs 01:45 there is so much good music - speaking of which, time to fire up the jukebox again 01:45 boot up some 70s/80s pop smuck 01:46 I haven't updated my playlists in nearly 10 years... might be time to do that soon 01:46 I don't think it would be dishonest of me to say that the oldest music on my orchestral Pandora radio station was published in the year 2000 and the oldest on my power metal station is from the 80s 01:46 heh 01:48 First song up on 1979 Billboard top 100 is "My Sharona", oh god 01:49 "With this thou canst do mighty deeds And change men's passions for thy needs: A man's despair with joy allay, Turn bachelors old to lovers gay." 01:49 ma ma mam my sharona 01:49 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart 01:50 that's the encycopedia entry for Magic Flute btw 01:52 dammit, they make scissors in Thailand too weak - I just broke a(nother) pair 01:52 and forks/spoons 01:59 Thankfully, the music has moved on to "Le Freak" 02:00 oh yeah baby, "If you want my body... blah blah" Dr Hook 02:00 he did it before Right Said Fred 02:01 some fat bearded guy with an eyepatch and a smelly hat 02:01 that's what I call true machismo 02:05 -!- zombifier has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:12 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:12 -!- Crawldragon has joined #hardfought 02:16 [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:6804 02:23 -!- zombifier has joined #hardfought 02:45 [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:22461 02:51 [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +5 oilskin fedora of brilliance named suck this, flayers!", on T:22594 02:55 Did I spell brilliance wrong? :( 02:57 hmmm so I guess oilskin does not stack with dragonhide(material) or brilliance(property). 03:04 [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:22619 03:18 That sounds to me like you're being a bit too clever with the wish mechanic, matey. 03:24 [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:23101 03:44 Tangles: you can wish for a blessed dragonhide +5 T-shirt of brilliance 03:44 then when various things cancel you, you don't lose the +5 int 03:44 as your t-shirt is under your robes/armor 03:46 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:03 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 04:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 04:11 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:19 just wish for a blessed fedora of wishing so you can wish again 04:22 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 04:22 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 04:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 04:24 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9] 05:00 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:19 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3457 05:30 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 9477 points, T:4179, killed by a bolt of lightning 05:30 Elronnd: the amount of PDCurses's version of curses.h which is dedicated to macros is slightly maddening. 06:10 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 06:48 [slex] AmyBSOD (Kur Trp Fem Law), 189 points, T:254, killed by a monster (hallucinogen-distorted ) 07:10 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu) averted death, on T:1979 07:36 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:05 Grasshopper: if only we had a bard role, that flute quote would be much more appropriate and useful 08:10 jonadab: I was thinking about that EPI you had for shapechangers considering the hero's vulnerabilities, and I think it might actually make sense if adjusted a bit 08:11 basically: sandestins should have this ability, being intelligent and hostile, and they should do it only if they can see the player 08:11 oh, and they can only figure it out based on what they can see you wearing, they can't look at your intrinsics. 08:12 That's more reasonable than the idea as proposed, yes. 08:12 In that form, it sounds like something FIQHack would do. 08:47 [slex] AmyBSOD (Kur Trp Fem Law) killed the invisible Linus the Cat, on T:1115 09:11 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:10 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 10:52 [nd] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:3342 11:05 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:6875 11:10 [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:23747 11:12 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 11:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 11:15 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 11:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v hothraxxa] by ChanServ 11:22 [slex] AmyBSOD (Kur Trp Fem Law), 97040 points, T:3196, killed by a monster (water elemental), while being clawed 11:24 !lastgame 11:24 LarienTelrunya: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/AmyBSOD/slex/dumplog/1504954156.slex.txt 11:27 [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:24200 11:41 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:44 [gh] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed +5 vorpal silver long sword", on T:24520 11:48 aosdict: dnethack has a bard role 11:48 but b'ards are terrible 11:48 *bards 11:51 The problem with bard is that NetHack is a single-player game. 11:51 Healer also has this problem, but healer at least can use pets. 11:52 Hmm, perhaps bards could be given a song that is a magic-whistle equivalent, and maybe a heal-allies song. 11:53 But NetHack already has the healer role, so now we have two roles that differ mainly in flavor. 11:54 so apparently, in 3.6.x, reading scrolls while blind doesn't break illiterate? 11:54 that's a huge zen buff 11:54 er, not zen 11:55 illiterate buff rather 11:55 Indeed. 11:56 jonadab: bards in dnethack is supposed to be the pet role 11:56 as in, much moreso than healers 11:57 the issue is 11:57 nethack pets aren't that concerned with survival 11:57 and you don't get exp for things pet kill (unless Chris changed that) 11:58 Also NetHack pets are annoying to deal with past about early mid-game. 11:58 (And in Sokoban.) 11:58 (And around shops.) 11:58 I want to change the pet AI in nethack 11:58 but I'm not quite sure how 11:59 Heh. 11:59 I think the tools/etc is available already, ais made a monster pathfinder as part of AI fixup, I rewrote muse to improve item use capabilities 11:59 all I need to do really is figure out how pets should behave 12:15 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 12:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v oh6] by ChanServ 12:30 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 12:33 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:23 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:24 FIQ: b'ard sounds like something from an alien sci-fi 13:26 jonadab: yasi: the bard starts with a party of 3 or 4 (tame) player monsters, and a magic whistle. He is restricted in most weapons and primarily does the normal bard buffs and things to his party. 13:27 The primary strategy is to let your party level up and equip them with good gear, you are effectively managing 3 other PCs 13:30 what would the player monsters be 13:31 a wizard, a priest and a ranger? good balance? 13:33 randomly selected amongside bar|cav|kni|val, ran|rog|sam|tou, arc|hea|mon|pri|wiz? 13:33 you probably wouldn't want a healer unless they were actually effective 13:33 healing spells 13:33 and the advantages of an arc probably aren't that good if it's not the player 13:34 Does your bard song make the healer's healing more effective? 13:34 jonadab: I can see a buff song that gives +1 hp and pw regen/turn to allies 13:34 which would enhance casting capabilities, yes 13:35 also, not sure you would want a caveman in your party 13:36 Also, if you roll val/sam/mon, and the monk gets healing or sleep, that is considerably more powerful than if you roll cav/ran/pri, IMO. 13:36 aosdict: I was trying to split up in melee/ranged/misc-caster 13:36 sam is strong on melee though. 13:36 jonadab: Perhaps it's better if you can simply choose yourself what to play with? 13:37 And tou is a better caster than arc. 13:37 The player monsters don't necessarily have all the goodies the player starts with. Probably _some_ of them, but not everything 13:37 Oh, true. 13:38 Actually, they should probably get a minimum, because you're getting three of them plus yourself. 13:38 heh 13:38 secret bard tech: kill all your allies, get several roles' starting inventories 13:38 So monk can cast stuff, but might not actually start with spellbooks and might have to just beat up stuff the good old-fashioned way 13:38 Which they're good at in the early game. 13:40 What if you always get bar/ran/hea? 13:40 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 13:41 Good enough to start with, at least, though I would favor wiz over healer (with the wiz getting probably force bolt and magic missile) 13:45 Or instead of rolling the three separately, you could have a list of combinations. 13:45 So maybe you get bar/ran/hea, maybe you get cav/sam/wiz, maybe you get val/rog/mon. 13:47 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 13:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 13:50 I feel like this is slowly inching out of YASI territory 13:56 jonadab: player monsters should fully resist conflict 13:56 always 13:59 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 14:00 yup, sounds reasonable 14:02 -!- Crawldragon has joined #hardfought 14:02 aosdict: silly idea: bard quest artifact gives its allies the effects their own quest artifacts 14:05 immediately? 14:06 uh 14:06 what else would it be? 14:06 not sure if I understand 14:06 the question 14:07 [nh4] Indiana (Syberag) (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 19970 points, T:957, killed by a hobbit 14:09 they all have quest artifact powers from dungeon level 1? 14:35 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 14:38 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Quit: If beer is liquid bread, what is liquid peanut butter?] 14:39 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:53 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:11 [nh4] Arien (phollenback) (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 34524 points, T:3345, killed by a giant mimic 15:13 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:20 aosdict: *bard quest artifact* 15:20 if you somehow get the quest arti on dlvl1, sure 15:21 oh, okay 15:21 still not sure if that's too powerful 15:36 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:23 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:38 [dyn] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 4946 points, T:4967, killed by a snow ant 16:41 -!- lorimer has quit [Quit: NAE TROOSERS] 16:59 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 37086 points, T:10566, killed by a mumak 17:01 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 17:04 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:21 BBQ party night 17:22 wewt 17:58 [nd] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:3791 18:02 hm 18:02 I wonder 18:02 what happens if you, in dnethack 18:02 put a magic chest 18:02 inside another magic chest 18:18 -!- Crypt0Ba has joined #hardfought 18:24 it spawns chunk norris 18:33 -!- Crypt0Ba has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:00 -!- Crypt0Ba has joined #hardfought 19:08 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 19:09 FIQ: logically, it should explode similar to nesting bohs, destroying all contents 19:09 EPI: and all other magic chests, it is then impossible to create any more magic chests 19:12 the magic BoH idea is possibly asking for trouble? if you have an item that can hold /everything/, people would just put everything in there 19:12 ais523: Message from FIQ at 2017-09-08 04:40 EDT: are you saying that you didn't actually receive this? https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:FIQ/DevTeam#Github_PRs_.2B_3.6.0_statuscolors 19:12 ais523: Message from FIQ at 2017-09-08 04:42 EDT: as for the silver handling issues... I suggest consolidating the touch_petrifies checks and the silver checks. The former is more likely to be correct considering how long it has been around. Basically something like touch_object(). For stoning, instapetrify. For silver, deal damage, drop it, or whatever 19:12 ais523: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-09-08 06:18 EDT: rcfile support for nh4 when :P 19:12 ais523: Message from jonadab at 2017-09-08 08:50 EDT: That aimake error that you said the way to fix it is a clean build? It happens when doing a clean build. I think I have screwed something up about rltiles, but I am not sure what or how to fix it. 19:12 ais523: Message from jonadab at 2017-09-08 08:51 EDT: Produced object bpath:tilesets/dat/merged/rltiles-32.nh4ct has no hash_on_disk: dependency at ../aimake line 7327. at ../aimake line 6617. main::__ANON__("Produced object bpath:tilesets/dat/merged/rltiles-32.nh4ct ha"...) called at ../aimake line 7327 main::find_hash_on_disk("bpath:tilesets/dat/merged/rltiles-32.nh4ct") called at ../aimake line 9146 main::__ANON__() called at ../aimake li 19:12 FIQ: the message indeed never reached the devteam, it got stuck in a spam filter somewhere along the way 19:13 the spam filter operator managed to find and retrieve it when I mentioned I knew it existed 19:13 but I wonder how many messages to the devteam are getting stuck in the filter and never delivered? 19:14 !tell jonadab in that case I'm confused; this is not a bug that should be creatable by changing the input to aimake, although I remember seeing a similar error message when the file in question is open in Emacs and has unsaved changes, and I'm not sure why 19:14 Will do, ais523! 19:16 FIQ: apparently it was the number of links that caused the trouble 19:27 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:28 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 20:14 -!- Crypt0Ba has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:22 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 20:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 20:32 K2: Did you see someone (stonewall) ascended a spork tourist on ESM? 20:41 ais523: yeah I figured that was the issue 20:41 couldn't really think of any other reason for it 20:41 ais523 │ the magic BoH idea is possibly asking for trouble? if you have an item that can hold /everything/, people would just put everything in there 20:41 uh 20:42 of course you would make it apply the weight of its content 20:42 to discourage that 20:42 oh, hmm 20:42 in that case, wouldn't it be /less/ useful than a regular BoH? 20:42 yes, so why would you carry one? 20:42 the point was to make it possible to have a sharing space several containers can access 20:43 oh, I see, it's not so much a "thing you carry with you" but rather a "player-placeable magi chest" 20:43 basically, for magic chests 20:43 *magic chest 20:43 yeah 20:43 in that case, I think it should be unexplodable by any means 20:43 does the same happen with magic chests, incidentally (i.e. does their weight scale on the total weight of the magic chest contents)? 20:43 also, what does a cursed magic BoH do? 20:44 the weight penalty would remain 20:44 as for the vanishing... not sure 20:44 but this would only really come up with bones with someone who decides to carry a BoHG of sharing for some reason 20:44 *BoH 20:45 or someone who curses it intentionally to see what happens? 20:45 well then they deserve the vanishing 20:45 just like people zapping themselves with death "to see what happens" :P 20:47 there's at least one incident of someone self-genociding because they didn't know what it meant 20:48 You only do it once. All part of the learning curve :) 20:51 -!- Mutter has joined #hardfought 20:52 -!- Mutter is now known as alse 20:52 even if you're avoiding spoilers about the game, you could at least consult a dictionary :-) 20:52 -!- alse is now known as alsetar3d 20:59 Yes, absolutely :) 20:59 Lol @ grunthack's monster spellcasting. 20:59 I think a demilich just cast create familiar. 20:59 The demilich casts a spell! A kitten appears from nowhere! 21:00 -!- alsetar3d has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:02 -!- alsetar3d has joined #hardfought 21:06 Hi there 21:07 hi alsetar3d. 21:07 :) 21:08 -!- alsetar3d has quit [Quit: Mutter: http://www.mutterirc.com] 21:10 lol ok then 21:13 Tangles: yeah, that's create familiar 21:13 OK, that's actually hilarious 21:13 please never change that behaviour :-) 21:15 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18 Tangles: K2 had demogorgon do that to him in his last grunthack game 21:21 jonadab: the last error you !telled ais has happened to me when I have unsaved work on something in emacs 21:24 AH. 21:24 jonadab: Message from ais523 at 2017-09-09 19:14 EDT: in that case I'm confused; this is not a bug that should be creatable by changing the input to aimake, although I remember seeing a similar error message when the file in question is open in Emacs and has unsaved changes, and I'm not sure why 21:24 Perhaps that is it. 21:24 I will check on that. 21:25 We had a power outage on Monday, so it is possible that Emacs left one of its unsaved-changes laying around. 21:47 this is the kind of thing that made me stop using aimake, even on desktop 21:48 weird indecipherable errors 22:24 Tangles: no i didnt see the spork asc 22:27 nice though! he/she ascended a tourist 22:29 https://em.slashem.me/userdata/stonewall/sporkhack/dumplog/1504946069.txt 22:29 alright, bed time for me. gnite all 23:25 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 23:25 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:25 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 23:37 @d?elder priest