00:07 -!- Manaflare has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:16 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 01:12 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:20 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 01:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 02:04 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:24437 02:04 u a unicorn or horse or a boulder or statue (a statue of a gray unicorn embedded in a wall) 02:12 -!- Crawldragon has joined #hardfought 02:20 h - an uncursed wand of wishing (0:3). 02:21 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:25830 02:23 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 helm of brilliance", on T:26367 02:23 okay, that fixes my essential orcness 02:24 all spells at 0% fail except haste self, teleport away and dig 02:25 I've got a really funny image of an orc wearing a robe and a horned helmet wielding a magic marker like a knife 02:25 it's a visored helmet! 02:25 I did write charging from scratch! 02:25 "Me no squishy wizard. Me knight. You see?" *lowers visor* 02:26 This my sword, see? *waves puny little +5 athame* 02:27 er, puny little +7 athame now 02:29 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 02:31 [dnh] yrchard (Sam Hum Mal Law), 165 points, T:718, killed by a small mimic 02:37 [dnh] yrchard (Ana Hum Mal Neu), 38 points, T:65, caught himself in his own blast 02:50 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:27224 03:03 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:48 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Quit: If beer is liquid bread, what is liquid peanut butter?] 05:14 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:29 You finish eating the tengu corpse. You feel in control of yourself. 05:29 \o/ 05:29 already had a ring of TC but it's nice to have that finger free 05:40 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:28381 05:41 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28383 05:54 sorry Neferet, I've killed all the eels in your pond 06:10 -!- K2-webirc has joined #hardfought 06:10 -!- K2-webirc has quit [Client Quit] 06:10 -!- K2-webirc has joined #hardfought 06:11 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:28 jonadab: have you had a chance to test the shopkeeper fix on the server yet? 06:28 or are those conditions somewhat not common? 06:36 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 06:41 The magic-absorbing blade probes the invisible Poes1 06:41 invisible arch-lich called Poes 06:43 I don't remember leaving valley bones but I must have 06:46 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:29714 06:46 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:29717 06:46 The gelatinous cube coughs! 06:46 I didn't know they could do that 06:49 oh, it's elenmirie with my ex-cat 06:52 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 06:52 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 06:56 ha I summoned elenmirie! 06:56 elenmirie: I've got your valley bones 06:56 oooh... beware the pets 06:56 with an arch-lich called Poes and an Elvenking called Finrod 06:56 (genocided L, killed the Elvenking with magic missiles) 06:57 now searching for the pile 06:57 there's a glass golem and a mastodon too 06:57 oh I think my purple worms ate the mastodon 06:57 it's somewhere up in the top room... done in by an exploding wand 06:57 I see the glass golem 06:57 invisible glass golem called Roztomile 06:58 that's the one (he started out as a zruty) 06:58 yay a magic lamp 06:58 I had to use mine for SDSM because I didn't want to be without reflection any longer 06:58 (sokobag) 07:00 oh that's a fitting fate for Doctor Worm... as the name suggests, he started as a purple worm then later became a mastodon. 07:00 his tribe came for him 07:00 yay unholy water 07:01 I have plenty of holy but was considering the confused blessed remove curse trick 07:06 -!- K2-webirc has quit [Quit: *poof*] 07:06 -!- K2-webirc has joined #hardfought 07:14 argh I dipped my full healing into gain level, instead of extra healing 07:14 now I've got 4 potions of gain ability 07:14 and the only thing that isn't maxed out already is charisma 07:14 oh and dexterity (that's 17) 07:15 now I'm as foo as I can get all over 07:15 except that I'm still St 18/13 07:22 raisse sounds like a pretty good game going! 07:25 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 07:27 yep 07:27 I haven't been deeper than the valley (and have my stash in the quest) 07:42 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 41 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:31679 07:47 K2-webirc: I've tested the fix somewhat. It works in the specific situation it's intended to address. 07:48 But the shopkeeper code is kind of complex, so it's conceivable there may be other implications in other situations. 07:49 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:31739 07:50 magic missile ftw, never touched me 07:55 jonadab: ok. good deal 07:55 raisse: \o/ 08:02 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 15 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:32880 08:07 -!- elenmirie has quit [*.net *.split] 08:07 -!- Tarmunora has quit [*.net *.split] 08:07 -!- APic has quit [*.net *.split] 08:07 -!- Mandevil has quit [*.net *.split] 08:07 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 08:07 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 08:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 08:07 -!- APic has joined #hardfought 08:09 -!- K2-webirc has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:10 -!- K2-webirc has joined #hardfought 08:17 [fh] Freakitsar (jonadab) (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 33276 points, T:3634, killed by a rothe 08:22 -!- Mandevil has joined #hardfought 08:22 Yay I'm caught up! Good evening :) 08:24 yay lol 08:24 hi Tangles 08:30 hi Tangles! 08:34 Hi raisse 08:34 Hi K2-webirc I guess you're still at work. 08:34 raisse: Sounds like your orc wiz is going well :) 08:41 yes, just found vlad 08:41 nice. 08:42 oh you're numbering your nazgul rings. I should do that. 08:49 yeah still at work 08:49 for another 5 hours 08:50 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 08:50 Tangles: I didn't meet any nazgul until vlad's tower 08:53 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:34517 08:53 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:34518 08:53 woot! 08:54 Yay raisse! (and yes you did :P) on the bottom level I think. 08:54 oh, that's handy, one of the vampires had 7 candles in his chest 08:54 yes, I did, but not any earlier though I must be halfway through gehennom 08:55 granted I'm lowish level (still 14) 08:55 K2-webirc: another hotfix for slex is incoming :) once again, it's just that specific commit, since we don't want to break saves yet 08:56 I'll message you once it's ready 08:56 pff, I put my stash on the bottom level of the quest (in the temple), then invoked the Eye from the Mines and it put me in the tower, so I moved the stash to the tower 08:57 now, of course, it's putting me on the bottom level every time so I ahve to walk up 08:58 K2-webirc: okay it's this specific commit: https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/commit/216610e78f12f50d59a815246430caf9c711d9b8 - can you apply that to hardfought please? :) 08:59 well, groceries and other domesticity 09:01 LarienTelrunya: yup I can thanks. it'll be a few hours, I can get to it one I'm off work 09:01 *once 09:01 ok :) 09:02 * K2-webirc reminds himself to not forget to pickup veggies before making it home 09:02 it should tone down the hallucination bug crashiness, or at the very least, make it easier for me to pinpoint why it happens by adding better error messages 09:02 cool 09:07 K2-webirc: what's a nice healthy nethack fruit and vegetable basket look like? 09:07 You've got your apples, oranges, pears, bananas... 09:08 Carrots too 09:08 cloves of garlic 09:08 mmm yes 09:08 throw in a user-defined fruit or two 09:08 also kelp if you want to get exotic :) 09:10 yani: make all the various fruits and vegetables have slightly different non-nutritional effects, like carrots and blindness already have. 09:11 yani: lemons, eating them does 1 HP of damage unless acid resistant and exercises Constitution 09:11 if you manage to die this way the reason is "killed by citric acid" 09:12 aosdict: look at slex's fruits, each of them cures a different status effect :D 09:13 I have no idea what I'm picking up 09:13 does it have dragonfruit that polymorphs you into a dragon? 09:14 haha, a fruit that causes polymorph would be EPI, especially if pets eat it as soon as they move over it 09:14 not so evil if it polys them into a dragon. 09:14 oh here we go... 09:14 we're part of a community local farm produce thing 09:15 fresh veggies direct from local farms, weekly pickup 09:16 today it's Romaine Lettuce, Eggplant, Carrots, Jalapenos, Purple Viking Potatoes, and Tomatoes 09:16 plus what we grow as well 09:16 but this year has been odd, cooler summer than usual, our tomatoes have yet to ripen 09:16 the grapes though, are looking awesome 09:16 cant wait 09:17 -!- K2-webirc has quit [Quit: *poof*] 09:17 -!- K2-webirc has joined #hardfought 09:18 -!- firemonkey has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 09:18 I love purple potatoe 09:18 potatoes* (I'm not dan quayle I swear) 09:20 -!- firemonkey has joined #hardfought 09:50 heh 09:50 [fh] Freakitsar (jonadab) (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 41573 points, T:3368, killed by a mumak 09:58 aosdict: I wanted to vote for that guy so bad. The media _hated_ him, and the worst dirt they could dig up on him, the thing they harped on endlessly, was that he once spelled the word "potato" wrong in a speech he almost certainly didn't write himself. 09:59 Not sure we've ever had another major-party candidate that clean. 10:00 -!- K2-webirc has quit [Quit: *poof*] 10:00 -!- K2-webirc has joined #hardfought 10:02 you wanted to vote for him? but he did get into office? not sure what you mean 10:12 dan quayle 10:22 aosdict: He didn't get the nomination. 10:22 oh you mean in 2000? 10:22 I don't remember which year. 10:22 Could've been 2000. That sounds about right. 10:27 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:36 yani: zapping digging upwards may sometimes detach a boulder from the ceiling instead of rocks. And when it is just rocks, it's multiple rocks, each of which gets a separate damage roll. 10:36 also yani: the damage from boulders hitting your head while wearing a hard helmet really shouldn't be much different from it without a helmet 10:37 -!- loli has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9] 10:39 FIQ: is restful sleep a negative object property you can find in fiqhack? 10:41 you can't find it no 10:41 I was going to add a new property but haven't done so yet 10:42 weapon property "nasty" -- +3d6 damage but does +1d6 to you when you hit something with it 10:58 aosdict, you forgot to say EPI so that amy can find it 11:01 EPI: removing things from a bag of digestion can cause a hungry bag monster to spawn engulfing you with a digestion attack 11:05 aosdict: perhaps without a helmet it can make you bleed 11:05 but besides that not have different damage 11:05 jonadab: who are you talking about? Bernie? 11:06 FIQ: Quayle. 11:06 ah 11:08 *cough* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Quayle#.22Potatoe.22 11:09 i actually remember that quite well even though i'm old 11:10 fiq: game of thrones has enslaved zombie dragons now. you should ask for royalties 11:12 hah 11:12 they can fly with big holes in their wings. pretty cool 11:13 Dragon flight is magical anyhow. (Their wings are typically nowhere near large enough for their bulk.) 11:14 then why do they need wings then, smartypants 11:15 got you there 11:15 aosdict: Yeah, looks like 2000 is the election I was thinking of. Lost the nomination to W. A shame. 11:15 :P 11:15 they said that about bumblebees you know 11:15 maybe dragons just have a large storage of air inside :P 11:15 making their size bigger than what it truly is 11:16 quayle had the misfortune of tying himself up with dubya 11:16 balloon dragons 11:16 hothraxxa: Bumblebees aren't actually that massive. 11:16 yeah! they need the wings for manouevering 11:16 FIQ: they can carry off things like cows, though. 11:16 but all that hot breath 11:17 you store up that much flame breath, you're gonna swell a bit 11:17 You show me a bumblebee that can carry off a cow, and I'm prepared to rethink my position. 11:19 how big does this cow have to be? 11:19 [slex] morgoth (Zyb Spe Fem Law), 1152 points, T:1308, killed by a monster (prehistoric turret) 11:19 They just float like hot-air balloons, using their fire to adjust their buoyancy 11:19 hothraxxa: Standard-sized cow. Dragons usually take the biggest, fattest ones they can find. 11:20 !lastgame morgoth 11:20 LarienTelrunya: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/morgoth/slex/dumplog/1504105693.slex.txt 11:20 Tarmunora_: hot air balloons are kinda slow, though. Dragons are generally regarded as fast flyers. 11:20 yes but scale-wise, how big would the cow have to be? or are you requiring bees the size of dragons 11:21 jonadab: have you seen nethack dragons 11:21 hothraxxa: The small scale is part of the reason bumblebees can fly. At insect-scale, the wing-to-mass ratio is fundamentally different than at human scale. 11:21 FIQ: Yes, they are D shaped. 11:22 no I meant their speed 11:22 to show they are fat 11:22 FIQ: Oh, good point. 11:22 hothraxxa: haha 11:22 jonadab: or lack thereof 11:22 have you seen a fiqhack dragon yet? :) 11:22 I don't think so. 11:22 Keep dying in the early game. 11:22 ahh 11:22 Though I think this priest may make Mine's End. 11:22 have you actually seen a notable different yet 11:22 *difference 11:22 Yes. 11:23 from vanillöa 11:23 *vanilla 11:23 Yes. 11:23 in my last game, i stepped on a teleport trap on mines 3 and went to mines 7 11:23 (well NH4 vanilla) 11:23 there was an orange dragon 11:23 and a rock troll 11:23 maybe dragons have hollow bones like birds do 11:23 hothraxxa: I guess you didn't survive for long? 11:23 what i really suspect is that there was a poly trap 11:23 Since orange dragons will use your helplessness against you 11:23 I've seen early-game shamans that force bolt me; player monsters where vanilla would have ghosts; and monster use of things like wand of create monster is notably different too.. 11:24 jonadab: ah 11:24 i managed for a while but a blast of fire came out of nowhere and i was done 11:24 The CM change is probably easily the most notable item use change from vanilla 11:24 It can turn a level from ordinary to "Eep, retreat, retreat!" real fast. 11:24 [slex] morgoth (Wiz Spe Fem Cha), 566 points, T:357, killed by a monster (crappy brat) 11:25 ah, the wand of instamob 11:25 I mean, the last time it happened, I did manage to get away. 11:25 Though it was a near thing. 11:25 jonadab: something that amuses me a bit 11:25 fiqhack lets monsters use a lot of new items 11:25 but by far the most notable change 11:25 consist of an item they use in vanilla too 11:25 If that mumak hadn't moved away from the up stairs when it did, I'm not sure what would've happened. Though I had a wand of digging, so I could've elberethed my way out of it possibly. 11:26 Then again, maybe not, because there was a force-bolting orc shaman I was running away from. 11:26 I should make a bilious patch with the CM change 11:26 it's a simple change 11:26 Show it to Amy. 11:27 just change CM to be a misc item instead of a defensive item, with vanilla muse 11:27 And tell her to also apply it to Slash'EM wands of create horde. 11:27 THAT will go over well. 11:27 hah 11:29 -!- loli has joined #hardfought 11:30 jonadab: wands of create foo are already changed in slex, but they're not *that* ridiculous 11:30 jonadab: what commit is 3.6.0? 11:33 FIQ: hmm, looks like there's a tag, NetHack-3.6.0_Release, on commit 585e9f1b35fda7b4 if I understand how this works correctly. 11:41 thanks 11:44 but by far the most notable change 11:44 consist of an item they use in vanilla too 11:44 hm 11:44 except that's only half the story 11:45 there seems to be a hidden bug in the nethack muse code 11:45 use F 11:46 hothraxxa: ? 11:46 oh 11:47 wait, there's something there you can't see! 11:47 a message i hate btw 11:48 I'm confused about how this relates to monster item use. 11:48 -!- nymphet has joined #hardfought 11:48 jonadab: hidden bug 11:48 press F 11:48 i'm confused by your confusion 11:50 * hothraxxa hands out blessed unicorn horns 11:52 -!- loli has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:52 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:53 Still don't see the connection? 11:54 [slex] morgoth (Wiz Iro Fem Law), 1493 points, T:1248, killed by a cowardly attack on her breasts 11:56 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 11:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v oh6] by ChanServ 11:56 -!- nymphet is now known as loli 11:58 [fh] Freakitsar (jonadab) (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 40116 points, T:3633, killed by a gnome king 11:58 Gah. 11:58 Made it to Mine's End, but not out of the starting room. 11:58 ouch 11:58 Well, Priest isn't my strongest role exactly. 11:59 there I made a bilious patch :3 11:59 I should be trying Monk probably, or Wiz. 11:59 Actually, Wiz, I should try Wiz. Probably easier in FIQHack than vanilla. 11:59 but apparently it needs admin approval 11:59 I should port spell maintenance too 11:59 but I'm not sure how to do that while preserving save compatibility 12:00 considering I can't really take the fiqhack approach 12:00 given that the save logic is nonportable 12:01 and just blindly dumps everything 12:14 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:36034 12:21 [dnh] Tarmunora (Ana Dro Fem Cha) wished for "20 blessed gigantic +2 silver bullets", on T:5145 12:24 [dnh] Tarmunora (Ana Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:5514 12:33 FIQ: In 3.x, without breaking save compat, it's probably possible to do spell maint on a during-this-session basis, but saving and restoring would unmaintain all spells. Don't see a good way around that. 12:34 Unless you can find a free bit in the spellbooks' object-type record. 12:37 Hmm. Is oc_bimanual available for books? 12:38 Err, oc_big, I mean? 12:47 It's not used currently by thm 12:47 them.* 12:52 Hmm. So if you're comfortable with adding another #define to objclass.h and _changing the objclass records_ when the player maintains/unmaintains a spell, it is probably possible to abuse the spellbook type records to store whether a spell is maintained or not, provided we are only tracking this for one player. 12:53 If the rest of the logic for when to recast can be basically stateless, then it should be possible to do it without breaking save compat. 12:54 Unless I'm missing something. 12:55 It's a horrible kludge, though. You'd want to fix it at next savebreak. 12:55 Put it in struct you, ideally, at that point. 12:59 -!- K2-webirc has quit [Quit: *poof*] 12:59 -!- K2-webirc has joined #hardfought 13:08 -!- K2-webirc has quit [Quit: *poof*] 13:15 jonadab: Hm, that's true. I can use one of the objects[] flags 14:03 -!- Crawldragon has joined #hardfought 14:43 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:43 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 14:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 14:49 -!- Crawldragon360 has joined #hardfought 14:50 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:50 -!- Crawldragon360 is now known as Crawldragon 15:00 -!- Crawldragon360 has joined #hardfought 15:00 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:00 -!- Crawldragon360 is now known as Crawldragon 15:27 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:40 [dyn] groovejumper (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 807 points, T:725, killed by a hill orc 16:12 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 16:12 -!- weber.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org ¤ SporkHack updated to 0.6.5, includes dungeon overview patch. GruntHack to receive the same patch soon. dNetHack 3.15.1 is now live 16:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 16:13 !whereis 16:13 K2: k2 [gh] groovejumper [dyn] 16:13 !whereis K2 16:13 K2: k2 [gh]: No details available 16:13 !whereis K2 16:13 K2: k2 [gh]: No details available 16:13 !coffee 16:13 * Beholder passes Crawldragon a mug of coffee, distilled by demogorgon at 391 Kelvin. 16:14 crap... hah 16:14 hi K2! can you apply this commit https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/commit/216610e78f12f50d59a815246430caf9c711d9b8 to slex please? it's the hotfix I was talking about earlier :) thanks! 16:17 ok fixed that (gh related) 16:17 LarienTelrunya: sure, give me a couple min 16:17 ok :) 16:21 [gh] k2 (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 54 points, T:58, killed by invisible Ms. Sipaliwini, the shopkeeper's magic missile 16:23 doing some testing with new version of gh LarienTelrunya 16:23 so it'll be a few min 16:23 sure, take your time :) 16:30 [gh] k2 (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:23, killed by a gecko 16:31 how odd 16:31 new gh loads, but it's saving to the old gh save directory 16:32 i missed something somwhere 16:38 [dyn] groovejumper (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 4883 points, T:3216, killed by a bolt of lightning 16:46 [gh] k2 (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:7, killed by a jackal 16:48 gdammit 16:49 the binary is putting save games in the old directory 16:49 wtf did i miss lol 16:51 one of the FOODIR constants probably. 16:52 right... gah 16:52 but i'm not seeing it for some stupid reason 16:52 ok i have to go get my kid 16:52 be back in a bit 16:53 [gh] k2 (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:19, killed by an iguana 16:53 dgl is set back to play only 0.2.1 until i can get it sorted 16:53 brb 17:11 [nd] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8777 17:17 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Quit: If beer is liquid bread, what is liquid peanut butter?] 17:21 [nd] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law), 17178 points, T:9281, petrified by a cockatrice 17:33 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:47 -!- Crawldragon has joined #hardfought 18:05 -!- Crawldragon360 has joined #hardfought 18:06 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:06 -!- Crawldragon360 is now known as Crawldragon 18:10 -!- Crawldragon360 has joined #hardfought 18:10 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:10 -!- Crawldragon360 is now known as Crawldragon 18:56 [gh] k2 (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:56, shocked by a grid bug 19:25 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 19:28 -!- Webmant9 has joined #hardfought 19:31 -!- Webmant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:42 -!- Webmant9 is now known as Webmant 20:13 K2: just broke 1MWh of total produced electricity. ;) 20:13 whee 20:28 fiq: so this happened 20:28 You fall into a pit! You land on a set of sharp iron spikes! 20:28 i am in a pit with a boulder to the south. i move south. 20:29 With great effort you move the boulder. You are still in a pit. 20:30 the boulder moved btw 20:30 also, this is the second oilskin cloak i've found 20:43 [gh] k2 (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:109, killed by a newt 20:52 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9] 21:05 dtype: How many MWh does it take to recover your initial investment? 21:05 nice dtype 21:05 !whereis 21:05 K2: yrchard [dnh] hothraxxa [fh] k2 [gh] Menche [nd] 21:05 !whereis k2 21:05 K2: k2 [gh]: (Mon Hum Mal Neu) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 21:05 \o/ 21:06 [gh] k2 (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 53 points, T:12, killed by a sewer rat 21:06 ok good 21:06 -!- K2 changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org ¤ GruntHack 0.2.2 is now live 21:07 hothraxxa: NH4 lets you push boulders without following them if you use capital letter movement. (In unlit corridors, this is _weird_.) IMO, it's a bug; but it's a uim bug, and ain't nobody understands the uim code. 21:07 ah. that's not what i did though 21:07 No, but probably related. 21:07 no doubt 21:08 jonadab: lots 21:08 lesse 21:08 jonadab: about 80-90MWh 21:08 Oh, that's not as bad as I figured. 21:09 ~9 years in my case @10MWh/year 21:09 So if we ignore the opportunity cost of not investing that money in something that pays better returns, the thing'll pay for itself in... yeah. 21:09 also ignore any changes in power cost 21:09 That's not _horrific_. 21:09 Sure. 21:09 We're estimating here. 21:09 and any changes in power consumption 21:09 also I get to be smug 21:09 I mean, it's not an investment most investment counselors would recommend or anything. 21:10 jonadab: yeah, *except* that after 9 years, it makes pure profit 21:10 Yes, but. 21:10 so think of it as a double your money in 18 years scheme 21:10 Double your money in 18 years. 21:10 still not world's best, but puts it in a league you can measure 21:10 That's... actually, that might not beat inflation. 21:10 and low risk 21:11 jonadab: well, for inflation also consider power cost probably goes up in that time too 21:11 Not sure how to estimate risk. Are you insured against damage to the solar array, etc. 21:11 yeah but positive externalities (if I remember the term properly) balance it out too 21:11 dtype: true. 21:11 yeah insured for panels 21:11 Ok, that helps the risk angle a bit. 21:11 also i actually have insurance for production level too 21:11 In case your city gets smogged in? 21:12 yeah not sure what it is against 21:12 but is something solarcity does 21:12 not high risk to them I imagine 21:12 as solar panels have known performance in out years 21:14 homeowners insurance actually protects solar panels against zombies and such 21:14 There is, of course, always some eventuality you're _not_ insured against, but hopefully it's ultra-low-probability. 21:15 and if I get a battery at some point I can have electricity during the zombie apocalypse 21:15 i figure i'll look at the powerwall 3 when that comes out 21:15 Hmm, where you are, you need, what, enough battery capacity for about 16 hours' usage? 21:16 yeah, a single 14kWh powerwall2 would cover me for most things 21:17 not heavy AC use, but easily in any kind of emergency 21:17 an emergency in which I'm still interested in watching TV off my tivo of course 21:17 enough to cover the essentials is what you want any battery bank to handle 21:17 fridge/freezer, boiler/well pump (if you have a well) 21:17 and anything else deemed essential 21:17 fridge, tivo, tv, laptop, networking, hopes that there's a cellular signal to bridge in for internets 21:18 Server room. 21:18 your ps4 does not count as essential 21:18 Personally, I wouldn't consider the television essential. Or worthwhile. Or something I'd want to allow in my house. 21:18 if I get OLED tv I can run it indefinitely off that kind of battery 21:19 currently on plasma, which is a bit more wattage 21:23 !tell LarienTelrunya your hotfix for slex causes compile to error out. and it looks like you basically replaced src/timeout.c completely. find me later i'll tell you the details on the compile errors 21:23 Will do, K2! 21:25 dtype: Switch to a forty-inch CRT. 21:25 hah 21:25 i once owned a 42 inch crt 21:25 and my 60" plasma might be on the upper end of tv power for the past decade 21:31 * Menche sees highlight, hunts for it 21:33 !who 21:33 Tarmunora_: yrchard [dnh] 21:35 Menche it was probably when i did a !whereis earlier 21:35 ah 22:01 * Menche grumbles about all the chips at the bottom of the bag being too finely crushed for dipping 22:02 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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