00:02 timer_element *gnu; 00:02 I'm somewhat puzzled as to why start_timer calls the local variable to work with "gnu" 00:02 maybe it's just a variant of "foo" which I've also seen in nethack code 00:02 someone liked Richard Stallman? 00:13 oh what am I doing 00:13 I am trying to figure out where the game use timers 00:13 but there is a convenient enum list for that already 00:14 rotting of buried objects, corpse rotting, corpse revival, lamps/candles/etc, egg hatching and figurine autoactivation 00:49 !who 00:49 Jonathanhanes: yrchard [un] 01:15 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:32 [dnh] jonathan (Bin Inc Mal Non) completed Sokoban, on T:5171 01:33 He stuck with me but in the end he was no match for the brown molds :( 01:33 rip kief chief 01:33 rip 01:33 What spirits do you have? 01:33 Well, bound 01:33 ctrl-x should show it 01:34 don't have any bound yet 01:34 meant to bound shiro but didn't get around to it 01:35 Otiax is also a solid choice 01:35 Oh yah he's a good one 01:35 If you hit up minetown and maybe mines end for dwarven booze, naberius would help your attack spell casting 01:36 Jack is also a good fallback 01:36 I take it you skipped the mines 01:37 Yah straight to soko 01:37 And i'm like 99% sure I have 2 magic lamps here 01:38 I count 1 in your inventory 01:38 Oh, your perm-invent isn't tall enough to show the whole thing 01:38 Jack can ID those lamps 01:39 oh yah? 01:39 Yes 01:39 If you can use his powers they are oil 01:40 Nice 01:40 magic 01:40 sweet! 01:40 Is one of them from sunless or does the RNG just love you? 01:41 happy rng 01:41 [un] yrchard (Kni Hum Mal Law), 2371 points, T:3582, killed by a little dog, while reading a book 01:42 !lotg Jonathanhanes 01:42 May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, Jonathanhanes! 01:42 Why leave the gnome alive? 01:43 Also, no force bolt? 01:47 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 01:51 [dnh] jonathan (Bin Inc Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:6290 02:08 hi all 02:09 Hello! 02:09 Hello Tarmunora, Welcome to #hardfought 02:09 !goat Beholder 02:09 Tarmunora's goat runs up and kicks Beholder in the kneecap! Baaaaaa! 02:10 lol 02:22 K2: How's the human wiz going? 02:22 i had just finished sokoban 02:22 about to fire it up again 02:23 [dnh] jonathan (Bin Inc Mal Non) averted death, on T:9119 02:23 so mines done, vlads tower done, sokoban done 02:24 Ahh, the temple of moloch 02:24 yeah 02:24 this is uncharted territory for me 02:24 3 (hostile) aligned priests to fight in there 02:24 And a horde of the undead 02:24 Some gremlins, some (wimpy) demons 02:25 [dnh] jonathan (Bin Inc Mal Non), 16298 points, T:9235, killed by a raven 02:25 i need some type of free action if i'm going to tangle with priests 02:25 hah! dnethack lets you maintain spells? 02:26 awesome 02:26 Jonathanhanes :( 02:26 RIP Jonathanhanes 02:26 yaaah that was tricky 02:27 I zapped down to escape a leocrotta only to land in big room 02:27 so zapped down again and died trying to come back up again 02:27 My advice: take binders slow. Farm the highest floors you can 02:27 They get a ton of power from leveling, a lot more than other roles 02:28 K2, is that golem to the left a grove guardian? 02:29 no idea 02:29 i think that's just a gold vault 02:29 Because I'm fairly certain that's an mivault 02:29 Do a farlook 02:29 oh damn 02:29 Nice! Dig to it, and kill it from a distancew 02:29 yeah 02:29 virtually immobile 02:29 4 chests of magic loot 02:32 sweet 02:32 Why not maintain detect monsters? 02:32 i dont need to right now 02:32 once i get the EotA, then yeah 02:34 beautiful 02:34 an uncursed +0 pair of orihalcyon gauntlets 02:34 what are those bad boys? 02:35 MR gauntlets 02:35 Magic Resistance 02:35 yeah 02:35 and the warsword, that uses long sword skill i imagine 02:35 Scimitar 02:35 ok 02:36 still not anything i can use reliably 02:37 Also, EotA is obsolete in dnh. Silver key is lighter and better (branchport, energy regen, tele control, poly control), and you should be wishing for Gauntlets of Spell Power anyways (they give half spell damage as well as MMoM doubled spell damage effect) 02:37 It's kinda silly 02:37 i could use some reflection though... 02:37 And The Black Crystal gives slotless MR once you get it 02:38 was thinking SDSM for first wish 02:38 OR: Blessed +3 tiny silver dragon-scale shield 02:38 aaaah 02:39 so thats a thing 02:39 Which hardly impedes casting (like a buckler) 02:39 It isn't like gh 02:39 Dragon-scale shield are just a type of shield 02:39 whats the best body armor? 02:39 Depends 02:39 Honestly 02:39 as a wizard 02:40 CPM is solid AC 02:40 crystal plate mail provides some serious ac 02:40 Once AC is no longer as important, dragon scales are pretty much still the way to go 02:40 DSM or bust! 02:40 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:41 For now, I'd stick with CPM 02:41 well goodnight all! 02:41 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 02:41 good luck k2 :) 02:41 G'night Jonathanhanes 02:41 so if i get the tiny silver dragon scale shield, i should prob go with YDSM 02:41 Or blue 02:41 gnite Jonathanhanes 02:41 Or most colours, really. 02:41 is lightning more of a thing in dnethack? 02:42 Green for sickness, Blue for extra-fast 02:42 White for magical breathing and water protection and swimming 02:42 Orange for free action and hallu resist 02:42 Red for sliming resist (and infravision? not sure) 02:42 i am reading the table on the wiki 02:44 Ah 02:45 white dragon scale mail... damn 02:45 and drain res with BDSM 02:46 do the shields provide the same extrinsics as the body armor? 02:46 >BDSM. Oh my 02:46 Yes 02:46 ok so 02:46 hmm 02:47 well, the shield is going to be SDSM 02:47 i'm torn between yellow, black and white DSM 02:48 I'd advise Yellow or Blue 02:49 the issue with depending on a shield for extrinsics is you risk a nymph stealing it ezpz 02:49 same for armor though 02:50 and reflection cant be an intrinsic 02:50 Genocide nymphs :P 02:51 Or get lucky with +oS and bind Andromalius 02:51 [dnh] k2 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 tiny silver dragon-scale shield", on T:15010 02:51 Not greased or historic? Shame 02:52 pfft 02:53 gdamn 02:54 For artiwishes, Gauntlets of Spell Power should be your first, and you have plenty of good options for the second 02:54 do those gauntlets impede spell casting? 02:55 Yup 02:55 wtf 02:55 It's intentional 02:55 They are gauntlets of power 02:55 then i wont be wishing for them ;) 02:55 You're currently wearing Gauntlets of power anyways 02:55 not for long 02:55 look at that shit 02:56 Besides, that's what robes/khakkaras are for 02:56 well, until i aquire one... 02:56 acquire rather 02:56 Moloch's temple has 3 priests 02:56 YOu have a good chance of a robe from them 02:56 :P 02:56 yeah i was thinking that over 02:57 And the shield will impede casting a bit 02:57 having reflection now is a big deal 02:57 Just not massively 02:57 i may pay them a visit 02:57 sooner rather than later 02:59 what are scrolls of antimagic good for 02:59 useless for you 02:59 They grant MR, but block casting for a duration 03:01 k 03:05 Yeah, wearing a robe or wielding a khakkhara would more than offset the shield and the gauntlets 03:06 i should let the zombies soften up the priests 03:06 Yeah 03:06 Undead grudging can make some things a lot easier 03:08 Congrats, you killed them 03:08 The fourth one is the peaceful temple-minder 03:08 yeah i noticed the peacful elven one 03:08 You can give him your gold 03:10 Neat, droven chain mail gives half your suit penalty as bonus 03:16 The scroll of consecration you find is the only such scroll you can ever see in the run 03:17 Use it wisely 03:17 yup 03:18 i think the last friendly priest is dead 03:19 I once forgot about it and did read-testing in the adjacent hallway 03:19 >.< 03:20 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "jkgfd", on T:8686 03:21 What do you want to write with? [- air or ?*] ? 03:21 (also, not very literate) 03:21 heh 03:21 dnethack bug? wants to ID things I already know about 03:22 you know all the things but it's not *formally* identified? 03:22 no, they've been formally ID'ed before 03:22 odd 03:23 Hmm 03:23 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 03:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 03:23 You sure they weren't type-IDed and the BUC IDed? 03:23 !tell Chris_ANG I have identify spell, i have items in inventory that are already known as well as BUC status. game still thinks they need to be identified. is that on purpose? 03:23 Will do, K2! 03:24 Tarmunora: watch 03:24 ah crap 03:24 anyways 03:24 all that stuff was already known 03:24 Huh 03:24 Odd 03:24 i dropped it on the altar so i'd also get BUC status 03:25 no reason to have to ID it any further 03:25 Mm 03:25 Some things it totally makes sense for 03:25 Weapons, wands, magic tools 03:26 yeah if you dont know enchantment 03:26 or charges 03:26 but that wasnt the case 03:26 I guess it's just a faulty check 03:26 was a bunch of scrolls and potions 03:27 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:11247 03:43 Heh. Trying to read the rod of seven parts while blind abuses wisdom 03:44 Nice, genocide 03:44 was L still #1 03:44 ? 03:45 For class-genocide, yeah 03:45 or U (shoggoths) 03:45 shoggoths are b 03:45 And are better suited fro single-target 03:45 *for 03:45 heh 03:45 Gelatinous cubes are friends, and quite tasty food 03:46 L and m for class-genocides, shoggoths for throne-genocides 03:47 Jubjub birds are also annoying, as the can stun you with their screeching. From anywhere on the floor iirc 03:48 Also, a cursed figurine of a mandrake can be handy 03:48 Killing a mandrake instakills most things below 100 HP, unless they 03:48 ... unless they resist due to unliving or whatnot 03:49 cool 03:52 Fun fact: death rays will kill trees, and dead trees can be kicked down 03:52 Anyhow, I'm off for the night 03:52 gnite and thanks 03:52 Try not to ascend while I'm gone! 03:52 heh ok 03:53 -!- Tarmunora is now known as Tarmunoraway 03:57 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 10192 points, T:13409, killed by an ettin mummy 03:57 oh. 03:57 does mines end leave bones? 03:57 i think so 03:58 very yummy bones 03:58 magicbane, BoH, magic lamp, speed boots , wand of cancellation 03:58 cloak of MR and oilskin cloak 03:59 it should be easy to kill the orc mummy (though not the ettin mummy) 03:59 :/ 03:59 maybe you can get back to it in time 04:00 hmm 04:00 no bones generated from that game 04:12 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:20 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:23 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:34 -!- rumflump has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:35 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 04:49 You kill the sewer rat! You feel tough! 04:49 heh 04:49 heya rumflump 05:05 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:11 [dnh] k2 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) was given Magicbane, on T:19059 05:11 woot! 05:15 magicbane is silver in dnethack? or is that random? 05:15 * K2 has a silver magicbane 05:17 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:17 silver magicbane... nice! 05:18 i know right? 05:18 crazy 05:18 in sporkhack, sunsword is silver 05:18 YANI: dwarf kings should have a chance to carry a silver dagger 05:18 ^ that 05:18 after all they're kings! 05:19 makes sense 05:19 in grunthack you'll see dwarves with platnium gear and weapons 05:19 rare but it happens 05:21 and elves will have either copper or gold 05:27 argh I could/should have zapped myself with the wand of teleport 05:28 instead of being killed by a mob of giant ants 05:31 ok something is wrong 05:31 The magic-absorbing blade probes the elf-lord! Your cold-iron Magicbane sears the elf-lord's flesh! 05:32 but earlier i was doing silver damage to a quaist 05:33 !tell Chris_ANG Magicbane is dealing cold-iron damage to elves but also doing silver damage to demons and the like. is magicbane iron or silver? 05:33 Will do, K2! 05:33 * K2 kinda hopes it's silver 05:34 K2: it's both! 05:34 on purpose? 05:34 yes 05:34 how 05:34 it cant be both 05:34 you cant mix iron and silver afaik 05:34 certain artifacts are silvered 05:35 huh 05:35 but they retain their original material 05:35 alrighty then 05:36 it's a bit of a holdover from before objects had materials, I guess 05:36 trying to envision an iron blade that could retain veins of silver throughout 05:36 or vice versa 05:37 i mean hey, you can code anything to be anything 05:37 potion of starlight 05:37 maybe it has two edges, one silver and the other iron? 05:37 whats that do? 05:38 I believe it acts as a light source? 05:38 by just holding it or drinking? heh 05:38 holding it 05:38 star light star bright first star tonight 05:39 (i see) 05:45 [dnh] k2 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:20177 05:46 good place to take a break 05:54 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 5460 points, T:5338, killed by a soldier ant 06:46 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:1845 06:53 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 06:53 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:53 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 07:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 07:11 [slex] zennaris (Spa Nor Mal Law), 240 points, T:276, killed by an arrow 07:16 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 1975 points, T:3485, killed by a wand 07:33 [dnh] k2 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Dark One, on T:20956 08:27 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 08:32 [slex] zennaris (Jes Ske Mal Neu), 4907 points, T:1740, burned by molten lava 08:45 found a wand of wishing in a shop dlvl 13. (0:3) 08:58 hahah the hooloovoo 08:58 intelligent shade of blue 08:58 * K2 loves hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy references 09:01 K2: did you ever play NHTNG? 09:02 nope 09:17 [dnh] k2 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Sir Garland, on T:24012 09:26 Hmm, apparently KiTTY does not support 24-bit color. Which probably means nothing on Windows does without Cygwin. 09:29 jonadab: mtf uses this weird terminal 09:29 for windows 09:29 well, ssh client 09:35 oh K2 is doing the chaos quest! 09:35 * Tangles gets some popcorn... 09:36 oh 09:36 this is what this is? lol 09:38 :) yeah. 09:39 i have no idea what i am doing here ;) 09:39 Just explore. You'll find stuff :) 09:40 lol ok! 09:42 I really like a lot of the level designs in dnethack. They somehow have a really nice, polished look. 09:42 i agree 09:42 there's extra attention to detail 09:43 Particularly once you get to gehennom. 09:44 The stairs are actually in the corners of the main building on that level. You need to get through the tight squeeze points at the sides. 09:45 greasing your cloak may help 09:45 ok 09:45 no grease 09:47 I'm pretty sure you can safely throw your BoH through the gap too, without damaging its contents. 09:48 or you can teleport 09:49 Narrow squeezes on non-diggable levels need to die in a fire. 09:50 I really like the whole messing with your head aspect of this, with the levels on both sides of the portal looking nearly identical. 09:53 do i need to convert these altars? 09:54 No 09:54 ok 09:54 Unless you need a converted altar for some reason 09:54 [slex] dolores (Elp Ang Fem Cha), 101013 points, T:7963, drowned in a moat by an eel-lizard 09:54 i dont 09:55 Go Team Semicolon! 09:57 Is there a reason crocodiles can't drag you into water and drown you? 09:58 ah, good idea, will implement :) 09:58 ... 10:00 Ah yes the beholder and flayer tower. It's divided up into a couple of sections. You will need to use the other stairs to access the rest of it. 10:00 ok 10:04 K2: Magicbane is iron with silver runes on <.< 10:04 Chris_ANG: Message from K2 at 2017-08-26 03:23 EDT: I have identify spell, i have items in inventory that are already known as well as BUC status. game still thinks they need to be identified. is that on purpose? 10:04 Chris_ANG: Message from K2 at 2017-08-26 05:33 EDT: Magicbane is dealing cold-iron damage to elves but also doing silver damage to demons and the like. is magicbane iron or silver? 10:04 jonadab: please don't suggest more insta kill monsters 10:04 water is scary enough 10:04 ...I think 10:05 ;) 10:05 loli: jonadab and I have an agreement, he suggests evil patch ideas and I implement them. Please don't talk him out of it :) 10:05 loli: But, but, but, crocodiles are known for doing that IRL. Much moreso than eels. 10:05 ^ fact 10:16 Ah, and the identify thing may be IDing stolen/not stolen status. 10:20 EPI: a trap that changes your player/character name, picking at random, sometimes from the high score file, sometimes from a hardcoded list of well-known players, and sometimes it just strings random letters together. 10:20 All livelog/xlog entries from your game from then on use the new name, there's no way to tell what your original name was. 10:21 and does the player with that name (if it's an existing player) get credited with your ascension? 10:21 raisse: Your death, more likely, if this is a variant that implements EPIs. 10:21 But yes. 10:22 so you might rob grasshopper of his streak 10:22 or the trap will, in fact 10:22 He's doing to do a streak in a variant that implements EPIs? 10:22 no, I was just theorizing 10:23 Honestly, I can't see anyone ever doing a streak in the Evil Variant. 10:23 in the really Evil Variant it might be impossible to ascend even once 10:23 let alone twice or more in a row 10:23 [dnh] k2 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Nightmare, on T:26340 10:24 raisse: True. 10:25 jonadab, is fourk your variant? 10:25 [dnh] k2 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:26427 10:26 bug_sniper: Yeah. 10:27 do you implement some of your epis in it but fewer than amy implements? 10:27 bug_sniper: But don't let the EPIs fool you, Fourk doesn't implement those sorts of things. 10:27 No, I don't put anything on the EPI list if I think it's a good idea to actually implement. 10:27 Oh, fourk does implement EPIs, like black dragons with disintegration melee attack *that ignores your resistances unless you're naked*. 10:28 The whole point of the EPI list is to be a resting place for bad ideas. 10:28 LarienTelrunya: ancient dragons only occur in dragon halls, though. 10:28 but categorized seperately from YASIs 10:29 jonadab: that doesn't change the fact it's an EPI :P 10:29 YASIs aren't necessarily evil, just silly. 10:29 [dnh] k2 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:26805 10:29 LarienTelrunya: Also, disint melee doesn't ignore resistances. 10:30 It just sees them in layers. 10:30 doesn't it disintegrate your items regardless of whether your char is resistant? 10:30 So for example black DSM will protect you, and your shirt; it only doesn't protect your cloak and shield. 10:30 Well, since cloaks of disintegration resistance don't exist, your cloak is thus never safe. 10:30 Why do you hate cloaks? :P 10:30 Never safe _in a black dragon hall_, sure. 10:31 (Well, a black dragon hall that's deep enough to have an ancient; earlier ones would only have an elder dragon, I believe.) 10:32 Dragon halls are supposed to be scary and you don't necessarily want to run into them willy nilly. 10:32 Well, thing is that such an attack would be too evil even for slex. It might be added in the evil variant mode of slex though. 10:32 An EPI would be if all levels with a dragon hall also had squeaky boards in the corridors. 10:33 Even vanilla NetHack has some monsters with extremely nasty attacks. Medusa. Death. Pestilence. 10:34 Those don't just spawn anywhere though. 10:34 But you don't randomly run into those just anywhere, right. 10:34 The same is true of elder and ancient dragons. 10:34