00:04 congrats K2 on the giant wizard! 00:12 thanks! 00:12 * K2 likes giants 00:12 tossing boulders early/mid game is fun 00:13 and finding acid blast spell fairly early was nice too. its like having unlimited nuclear bombs in your arsenal 00:14 oh wow... 00:14 just started a dnethack game (human wizard) 00:14 starting spells: force bolt, jumping, magic missile, identity 00:14 err identify 00:15 i wont make it 100 turns 00:19 That's a really good spell selection, if you can live to cast any of it. 00:21 at least the first 3 are 0% fail 00:21 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 00:21 starting with MM is huge 00:21 That's rather good if you have the Pw for it, yes. 00:21 i will by lvl 2 00:21 Identify is arguably the _best_ of the lot, but only if you live long enough. 00:21 yup 00:22 Jumping... is theoretically great, if you can remember you have it. 00:22 hah 00:22 I never even remember to jump as a knight. 00:25 me neither 00:25 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:25 prob because you cant jump straight 00:31 oh wow 00:31 just gained three intrinsics from one meal 00:31 is dnethack on a percentage? or did i just get full intrinsic? 00:32 full intrinsic, but they time out 00:32 ah 00:33 is it possible to make them permanent? 00:34 only permanent intrinsics are from crowning and levels, I think 00:34 there are artifacts that give slotless fire/cold/shock resistance in the chaos quest though 00:35 cool 00:44 [dnh] k2 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2477 01:04 You can get permanant from corpses 01:04 But it has to be from a unique above level 14 iirc 01:05 So eating the platinum/chromatic dragon will net you permanant resists 01:05 sweet 01:05 so i am at minetown 01:06 Nice 01:06 and before in a shop on regular lwvel i found a helm of brilliance and gauntlets of power 01:07 black torch 01:07 is that special? 01:07 Yes 01:08 (found in hardware store) 01:08 Shadowlander's torch -- creates radius 3 darkness then 'lit' 01:08 *when 01:08 Well, not 'special' as in artifact or other unique item. 01:09 heh 01:09 anti light torch 01:09 Remember to name artifacts 01:10 why? 01:10 Why not? 01:10 They don't count against wishing. 01:10 Grimtooth, Sting, and Orcrist are all really light 01:10 And give slotless warning against their 'hated' monsters 01:10 ok 01:10 are they better than their vanilla counterparts? 01:11 Also, if wielded Sting cuts through webs without wasting a turn, 01:11 Grimtooth gives warning of elves, humans, dwarves, angels, and some other thing 01:11 Sting is orcs and spiders, Orcrist is orcs and demons 01:11 which is useful if you run into an edderkop. 01:12 Edderkops are nasty 01:12 I wish there was an easy namable artifact that warned of gnomes though 01:13 i am assuming small daggers do less dmg than regular ones? 01:13 Each size increment represents a die size increment of 2 01:13 Yes, I believe the die is 2 sizes smaller. 01:13 ok 01:13 They're like a quarter the weight, though. 01:13 @Chris_ANG: Does that apply to the 'small rocks' as well? 01:14 Half the weight 01:14 Yes, and their continued existance is a bug. 01:14 Hmm, I wonder if wishing for gigantic bullets would work for the mass-shadow pistol 01:15 It does, but I wonder if the -20 to-hit applies 01:16 dammit... got some serious lag over my cellular connection 01:19 Chris_ANG: I think gigantic silver bullets might be my new endgame ammo for a drow anachrononaut 01:19 bah 01:19 lol 01:19 no lamps in Izchak's shop 01:19 That's a shame 01:20 Gigantic size puts them at a healthy 2d16+4(+d20) vs large 01:21 averaging .5 damage per hit more than a gigantic loadstone, before silver damage 01:22 (Though good luck carrying the gigantic loadstone, it would weight a ton) 01:25 You see here a big chest with 10 keyholes. 01:25 magic chest 01:25 asking me which lock to open heh 01:25 shared inventory between all magic chests in the dungeon 01:25 sweet 01:26 The different locks are just so you can keep different piles of stuff seperate 01:26 get out 01:26 ? 01:26 GET OUT 01:26 thats awesome 01:26 10 different partitions 01:27 (I usually just use 0, because that's what opens when you kick them) 01:27 hah 01:27 and you can carry it 01:27 They weight 1000, so you need some shenanigans to lug one around effectively 01:28 * K2 has gauntlets of power 01:28 Tie-Dye shirt and you could be unburdened with it 01:29 Because you'll be stressed carrying it once you start piling armour onto your body and loot into your bag 01:30 i took it to the temple in minetown 01:30 good spot to park it 01:30 Yup 01:30 dynahack and fourk have magic chests, but they are immobile 01:30 There are some forced magic chest spawns 01:31 but they spawn in key spots 01:31 Vlad, Lost tomb, Castle, and some role quests all have forced magic chests 01:31 nice 01:31 You can also polypile magic tools for them, or wish 01:32 Wishing for one on astral is good way to strain yourself with gems and artifacts the turn before ascention 01:32 so apparently as a human, i feel a deep kinship with Uruk-hai 01:32 Huh 01:32 when trying to eat one 01:32 i am thinking i prob shouldnt 01:32 Mhm 01:33 As a caveman, cannibalism actually gives an alignment bonus and no penalty, which is nice 01:33 Especially for the bat-race, who have a 'deep kinship' to all animals in the dungeon. 01:33 can monsters loot unlocked chests/boxes and bags? 01:34 I believe not 01:34 ok 01:34 in grunthack they can (and do) so I tend to lock my boxes 01:34 Grunt is evil 01:34 :) 01:35 dnh is just poorly balanced (at times) :P 01:36 If you read the commits you can find some horribly nasty things that get toned down to a sane level before release, like the ancient of death breath attack 01:36 hah 01:37 First commit of that was a basically unblockable 23d8 hit. Magic resistance just saved you from an instadeath 01:37 It got toned down to slightly smaller numbers 01:38 At this point, I would like to point out that the tone-down process occured BEFORE release :P 01:38 I did mention that. briefly 01:38 woohoo divination now as basic 01:38 Unlike shoggoths 01:38 identify for everyone 01:38 * Tarmunora shudders at mention of shoggoths 01:38 btw, genocide shoggoths. 01:38 yeah 01:38 Yeah 01:38 ^K2 01:39 they are nasty in unnethack and sporkhack as well 01:39 Jubjub birds are another good single-target choice 01:39 And phase spiders are a personal pet peeve 01:39 are liches still #1 on the geno list or is it other things for dnethack? 01:40 I prefer genociding mimics in case I get orcus or dispater in gehennom 01:40 right but thats not priority 01:40 Liches are mostly manageable 01:41 I don't know if the really nasty ones can be genocided (death knights and eternal matriarchs) 01:42 And fair warning, The Dark One loves to cast flesh to stone 01:45 ouch 01:45 cave lizard - same as regular lizard as far as cockatrice are concerned? 01:45 Both those are genocideable. 01:45 Yes, but it might rot 01:45 I can't remember 01:45 It's also heavier. I think it doesn't rot. 01:46 found a small cave lizard in an ice box 01:46 I actually forgot eternal matriarchs are genocideable. It might be part of why they seem so rare. 01:46 OK, so class-genociding L is quite worth it to prevent those 2 kinds of L from popping up 01:47 Cave lizard corpes rot 01:48 Sigh. I really should just introduce a "lizard tail" comestable to take the place of lizard corpses. 01:56 ^ 01:56 #ad 01:56 oops 02:01 Chris_ANG: really enjoying your variant so far 02:02 glad i finally foun time to get it a serious go 02:02 *found 02:02 s/get/give 02:02 * K2 sighs 02:02 Fun fact: wizards cannot multishoot daggers 02:02 i am seeing that 02:03 but thats ok 02:03 Do you have a first wish planned in case of a lucky lamp/potion/throne? 02:03 no 02:04 no idea what to wish for as wizard in dnethack 02:04 i've heard the shambala shirt 02:04 robe of archmage? 02:04 Nonwishable 02:04 BULLSHIT 02:04 :P 02:04 Gauntlets of Spell Power grant 2x spell samage 02:04 samage 02:04 *damage 02:04 SAMAGE 02:05 smamage is even better 02:05 its like make me a samich 02:05 They also give half spell damage (the resistance) 02:05 my wizard is lvl 8 i am gonna do some serious smamage 02:05 Other options are SDSM 02:05 Shambhala 02:06 SDSM sounds like a decent first wish as i dont have reflection yet 02:06 and i could use the AC boost 02:06 However 02:06 Vlad's tower has a 'free' CPM if you can kill cerberus 02:07 jump! 02:07 Now would be a good time to run a bit 02:09 thx 02:09 keep forgetting i have jump spell 02:09 Jumping is a lifesaver 02:11 Chris_ANG: On my Drow that died to the shoggoths, I don't recall getting the racial multishot bonus to sickle moon 02:12 brb 02:12 Do myrkalfar not count as drow for it? 02:12 Ana drow are not technicaly drow 02:12 Yeah 02:12 That's kinda sucky 02:12 :P 02:12 Shouldn't they be elfen if not droven? 02:13 Because elves are supposed to get the bonus too :/ 02:14 enjoying the power regen 02:14 is that wizard specific? 02:14 Yes 02:15 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 02:31 hah sweet mines end 02:31 looks just like what I had in fourk 02:32 the orc temple level 02:35 anything i need to be aware of concerning altar sacrificing vs vanilla behavior? 02:37 Hmm 02:37 Not really 02:37 Only gifts and artifacts count against sac gifting 02:38 And you can rarely get a god minion iirc. RARELY 02:39 heh i just did when i converted 02:39 the quaist of moloch! 02:39 and i named grimtooth 02:39 needs me some magicbane 02:40 Well, you can rarely get a 'pet' from your god for sacrificing 02:53 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:00 Chris_ANG: K2 just encountered a 'Giant Mummy Zombie' 03:00 That seems wrong, somehow 03:14 K2: If you find a droven cloak on a zombie/mummy/drow, hold on to it. You can use them to lay down up to 3 webs, and also to sweep up webs in 1 turn 03:16 thanks 03:17 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:18 Good luck with Cerberus 03:18 heh 03:18 should i wait? 03:18 mmh 03:18 You probably can take him 03:18 Got any !oHealing/etc? 03:18 one 03:19 His fire breath is the nasty part 03:19 You can use circle of acheron to ward off his melee 03:19 Use force bolt to bust down the drawbridge and iron bars 03:20 right 03:20 was about to say i cant lev or water walk but i can jump 03:21 Force bolt clears iron bars, you can walk across to the entrance 03:22 :P 03:22 thx 03:22 Werewolf, nurse, and maid ahead 03:24 why is the nurse still attacking me 03:24 Bad idea 03:24 They have to be friendly 03:30 thx 03:30 thats some smamage 03:31 Huh, if you managed to get him to level up, you could eat his corpse for permanent fire resistance 03:31 I believe 03:31 I advise standing such that they cannot easily breath-attack you 03:32 right 03:32 need to bounce mm also 03:32 Or stinking cloud and slam the door 03:33 [dnh] k2 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:10045 03:33 Nice 03:33 hahah 03:33 Stinking cloud is so great when it works 03:33 hell yeah 03:35 Next floor is loot time 03:35 do objects rot/burn away? 03:35 Scrolls/potions/books yes 03:35 Armour/weapons on 03:35 *no 03:35 ok good 03:36 in gh they will 03:36 And slex 03:36 Very useful in slex, so you can get rid of your heavily cursed -11 arrows 03:36 Go into the alcove to the left and search 03:37 Holy water 03:37 noice 03:37 crystal plate is bad ass in dnethack correct? 03:37 It is an excellent midgame armour 03:38 High AC, and doesn't impede casting 03:38 right 03:38 but its not THAT high in vanilla 03:38 Late-game, when you can have +5/+7 hat/boots/whatever, you're better off with dragon armour for the extrinsics 03:38 dnh CPM is 16 base ac, and doubled enchantment 03:39 No dex bonus, weighs 250 (DSM is 150) 03:41 K2: Vlad's gaze attack is rude 03:41 prob much like in gh 03:41 Less evil, I'd guess 03:41 MR 80 hah 03:41 yeah in gh vlad has a couple cursed scrolls of tele 03:41 he'll read them if he gets low on hp 03:42 ohh 03:42 uh huh 03:42 not nice 03:42 so the trick is, attack with wand of fire or fireball spell 03:42 dnethack's vlad is meant to be the last boss of the early game 03:43 With the first one being cerberus 03:43 but vlad's helpers... 03:43 gdamn 03:43 So long as you bounce mm, you should be fine 03:44 There are vamps behind hidden doors as well 03:44 yeah just like vanilla 03:44 Yup. The boxes also contain more vamps 03:45 The potions of blood are very useful 03:45 You can take them and the water walking boots to the first floor, then blank them all and make a stack of >20 holy water 03:46 yup 03:46 what i usually do with blood 03:46 some blood is useful 03:46 Beholder, lizard 03:46 this si where dnethack differes 03:46 differs 03:47 usually only see regular blood and vampire blood 03:47 only useful if you're a vampire 03:47 dnh blood can give the intrinsics from the monster it's from 03:48 neat 03:48 Such as (temporary)clairvoyance from beholders 03:48 You also get a potion of blood with your tin from a tinning kit if the monster has blood 03:48 And yes, that can create a stupid amount of polyfodder 03:55 fuck 03:55 That didn't go well 03:55 RIP? 03:56 [dnh] k2 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:10820 03:56 Ooh, you made it 03:56 Nice 03:56 that got stupid 03:56 Cut it a litttle close though 04:00 i didnt see the boots of water walking 04:00 They're in there 04:01 Same floor as the CPM 04:01 cpm 04:01 ? 04:02 crystal plate mail 04:02 oh yeah 04:03 bottom right, you missen an alcove 04:03 *missed 04:04 jesus i am tired 04:04 Lucky you 04:04 Those grant displacement 04:04 this isnt normal? 04:04 Nope 04:04 The game decided you deserved an artifact 04:04 so these are artifact boots 04:05 are they water walking? 04:05 Water walking and displacemnt 04:05 invoke for teleport 04:05 neat 04:05 Adds silver damage to kicks 04:05 hah 04:05 monk gear 04:05 I didn't know forced items could be artifacts 04:05 Hammerfeet are much better for kicking 04:05 ~mace damage with kicks iirc 04:06 ah crap 04:11 not too shabby 04:16 Well, I'm going to sleep. Try not to DYWYPI! 04:17 ok thanks 04:17 gnite! 04:41 hah stone crates 05:08 [dnh] k2 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:14578 05:14 oh wow, if you're wielding one dagger and have the rest quivered, new similar daggers you pick up go in your quiver instead of in your hand regardless of alphabetical order 05:14 I wouldn't have noticed so quickly if my normal wielded weapon wasn't in the 'a' slot 05:30 used to be that I had to adjust the wielded dagger to something else (usually 'w') and have the quivered daggers in 'a' 05:30 don't know if that only works when you have a bunch of daggers already and quiver all but one 05:39 might be a she, or a they, or an it. 05:46 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:3442 05:47 er, the she/they/it was for another channel 05:58 ... and now, of course, I fell through a trap door with magicbane and was set upon by vicious dwarves. 06:14 :/ 06:27 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:2385 06:27 grrrr 06:28 was taking stuff to the shop (empty bags of tricks etcetera) and a white unicorn runs up and kills me 06:30 ☹ 06:51 [gh] noty (Rog Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a baby crocodile, on T:12933 06:52 [gh] noty (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 26938 points, T:12936, poisoned by a rotted wraith corpse 07:16 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:43 :( 07:46 huh, did raisse's death(s) from an hour ago get livelogged? 07:53 she's got her min turns thing on pretty high so it won't necessarily show up 07:54 ah 07:55 I forgot that mintc applied to non-startscummy deaths 07:55 K2: gz for asc! 07:59 [slex] k2 (Val Dwa Mal Law), 0 points, T:13, killed by an orcish spear 07:59 jonadab: I looked at Fourk's ammo mulch formula. Seems like it'd work pretty well for rangers or cavemen, but a tourist's starting +2 darts should (I think) have a 1/48 chance of breaking every hit. This seems like it'd make the darts last longer than they're supposed to. 07:59 thanks FIQ! 07:59 !lastgame 07:59 K2: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/slex/dumplog/1503662337.slex.txt 08:00 Does something else compensate for that, like reducing the number of starting darts? 08:06 aosdict: I think I've got it at 5000 now 08:09 konsole 08:16 aosdict: I wanted the Tourist's starting darts to last a bit longer on the grounds that Tourists no longer can get multi-fire in dagger. 08:18 In vanilla, a Tourist is virtually required to find daggers ASAP before the darts run out. 08:19 [nh] Ytest (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:100, killed by a falling object 08:25 Are there any (non-slex) variants out there that have artifact food? 08:27 Artifact _food_? There's a concept. Not AFAIK. 08:27 But dnethack has so many artifacts, that if it doesn't have artifact food, there must be a reason he's specifically avoiding it. 08:28 Wait, doesn't vanilla Slash'EM have an artifact comestible? Hand of Vecna? 08:28 You don't think of it as food because it'd be insane to eat it. But yeah. 08:28 my pets and I spell 'ork' 08:29 (kobold and rat, tamed them when they were trying to kill me) 08:29 two rats in fact but the other one was outside the room 08:32 -!- elenmirie has quit [*.net *.split] 08:32 -!- jonadab has quit [*.net *.split] 08:32 -!- Jonathanhanes has quit [*.net *.split] 08:32 -!- APic has quit [*.net *.split] 08:32 -!- Mandevil has quit [*.net *.split] 08:33 -!- Mandevil_ has joined #hardfought 08:33 -!- APic has joined #hardfought 08:33 -!- Jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 08:33 !netsplit 08:33 -!- jonadab has joined #hardfought 08:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v jonadab] by ChanServ 08:33 still no Beholder netsplit command? 08:34 no 08:34 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 08:34 its low on the priority list 08:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 08:46 yani: Some role (Healers? Cavemen?) gets food appraisal as a permanent intrinsic. 08:49 hea right away, cav at level 6 or so, tou at level 10 08:49 Healers already get poison resistance, so I think perhaps not them 08:49 right 08:50 and they're likely to have the means to cure food poisoning 08:51 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 28215 points, T:11536, killed by a Green-elf 09:09 -!- loli has joined #hardfought 09:25 jonadab: dnethack has hand of vecna 09:26 but it's deferred 09:26 at least it has the base item 09:30 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 09:44 * jonadab now wonders if any variant has artifact potions. 09:45 new challenge: get yourself killed by an exploding glob of slime 09:45