00:03 I forget how shallow it can be.... 00:04 Oh, it's limited to 5 and deeper 00:47 !booze bug_sniper 00:47 * Beholder tosses bug_sniper a glass of booze, brewed by TheresaMayBot at 90 degrees Celsius. 00:47 !booze loli 00:47 * Beholder hands loli a schooner of the hard stuff, distilled by Announcy at 32 degrees Celsius. 00:47 so take the user list 00:47 and randomize the temperature 00:53 [slex] dolores (Dea Ang Fem Cha) averted death, on T:7968 00:57 [slex] dolores (Dea Ang Fem Cha), 50567 points, T:8020, killed by a kung-fu attack 01:07 is an amulet of lifesaving supposed to revive undead? 01:07 nope! 01:08 wait, what version? 01:08 *variant 01:08 [nd] hermetic (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 21970 points, T:12851, killed by a flesh golem 01:08 heh 01:08 the dead live! 01:10 K2, how goes the dnethacking? 01:10 i just fired up my game heh 01:10 dvdl 3! 01:10 err 01:10 dlvl 3 01:10 <--- has rum 01:11 i am playing a human wizard, subclass bad-ass 01:11 !rum K2 01:11 * Beholder delivers K2 a tall glass of spiced rum, decanted by the /dev/null/oracle at 19 degrees Fahrenheit. 01:11 ty! 01:11 i'm on my second glass of rum on the rocks, so shit is getting real 01:11 haha 01:12 how goes your current game? 01:12 hah pokedex 01:12 did that sneak into 3.15.1? 01:12 Mine's coming along well 01:12 yup 01:13 I'm in the neutral quest. 01:13 neat 01:13 and good luck 01:13 Funny that I'm thinking it will be easier than the caveman quest 01:13 isnt neutral the hardest? 01:13 Yup, but I think I'm prepared 01:13 caveman quest is a bitch, since the chromatic dragon got buffed to hell 01:14 good 01:14 Free action, decent AC, a good weapon, a scroll of genocide, wands of digging, a wand of death 01:14 chromatic dragon in vanilla is kind of a pushover 01:14 Chris_ANG, slashem extended 01:14 bug_sniper: Probably is, then. 01:14 though you do get the cool scales 01:15 Chromatic Dragon is evil. 500 hp, -10 AC, average of over 40 damage per turn, summons nasties, has random (including disintegration) breath attacks 01:15 Well, one breath attack, but it has many flavours 01:16 awesome 01:16 tiamat is a multiheaded demon dragon from old lore 01:16 My first caveman that got to her went *splat* :) 01:17 she's the god of evil dragons, with her own lair in the 1st layer of hell. makes sense she's tough 01:18 sounds like an old ex gf i once had 01:19 some know her as 'christie' 01:30 K2: Why do you look like a golem? 01:30 i dont know 01:30 dnethack has always made @ look like ' 01:30 Is your RCfile old? 01:30 is it not supposed to? 01:30 It should be @ 01:30 ok 01:30 What are golems for you? 01:30 and 01:30 are fugni supposed to be H? 01:31 err fungi 01:31 No 01:31 not at all 01:31 nope. your config is seriously messed up 01:31 and are gnomes supposed to be I? 01:31 no 01:31 hahahah 01:31 i know what it is 01:31 Your monster symbols are 2 to the right 01:31 Ah 01:31 You don't have the neutral and chaotic angel symbols 01:31 yup 01:31 its my monster symbols from vanilla 01:32 to make ghosts appear as X 01:32 Ah 01:32 I have ghosts as 8 and shades as 7 iirc 01:32 so what am i missing 01:33 is there an example dnethack MONSTERS example? 01:33 err 01:33 example example 01:33 rofl 01:34 OPTIONS=monsters:abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzA69BCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ@. '&;:{~m 01:35 it works :/ 01:35 is that stock? 01:35 But the angels aren't the fancy ones with halos and stuff 01:35 I have no idea if it's stock or not, but it's in my rc file 01:37 hmm 01:37 just found an error with the online rc editor 01:40 [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Cav Bat Mal Neu) killed Great Cthulhu, on T:24228 01:41 ah, no panic like "Great Cthulhu just hit me for >200 damage" panic 01:41 and "I drank a potion of full healing and he hit me and my health went *down*" panic 01:42 my last ascended game I nearly shat myself when GC burnt through my life saving and killed both of my high level As pet 01:43 Ouch 01:44 But yay! Successfully polypiled for =oFreeAction and =oSlowDigestion 01:45 Got the Silver Key, time to run. 01:45 oh yeah, the best part. after I revived I tried to zap him with an empty wand of death 01:45 Yikes 01:45 Did you wrest the a charge? 01:46 nope. didn't die though since he's slow. ended up side stepping the fucker and lock him in a room 01:46 He goes through locked doors though 01:47 I don't know about him still being slow. He was keeping up with me as I ran away. 01:47 And he teleports 01:47 that's the part that confuses me. he seems to teleport when he can see you (?) 01:48 there we go 01:48 the rcedit php file was referencing nethack 3.4.3 rc file 01:48 for dnethack 01:49 oops 01:49 [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Cav Bat Mal Neu) killed the Nightmare, on T:24500 01:49 [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Cav Bat Mal Neu) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:24534 01:50 now i have to go fix my 343 rc file 01:50 because i was editing it this whole time 01:50 luckily it's just one line 01:50 now i need to check all the rcedit php files make sure i didnt make the same mistake in those 01:52 ok we're good on the rest 01:52 gdammit... that error has been there for awhile 01:52 so if anyone has been trying to use the web based rceditor for dnethack since I made it live... it wasnt working 01:53 blah 01:53 it is NOW 01:54 [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Cav Bat Mal Neu) killed the invisible Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:24653 01:54 and now my game looks as it should 01:55 [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Cav Bat Mal Neu) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:24809 01:56 [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Cav Bat Mal Neu) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:24858 01:57 [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Cav Bat Mal Neu) killed Garland, on T:25027 01:57 are dnethack zombies anything like grunthack zombies? 01:59 nope, thankfully 01:59 [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Cav Bat Mal Neu) destroyed Chaos, on T:25053 02:00 they aggro on non-undead and revive like trolls, but aren't very dangerous. 02:05 [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Cav Bat Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:25495 02:07 good deal thanks 02:07 [dnh] k2 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2639 02:23 as a human do i need an upgrade kit? or is that a clockwork specific item? 02:25 You can use it to resize armour 02:25 ok cool 02:25 Not terribly useful for a human 02:25 But if you polyself or get pets 02:25 gotcha 02:25 thx 02:26 Or find some oddly-sized armour on spider/giants/demons 02:26 One VERY useful thing you can do is use it to resize a shield to fit an adjacent 'tiny' monster 02:26 That'll reduce the weight of it by a factor of 3, and allow dragon shields to not impede casting 02:27 neat 02:29 [dnh] Tarmunora (Ana Dro Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible Center of All, on T:28720 02:34 k2 is four times on the NHS front page.... well done. 02:34 thanks Mandevil 02:35 wish i could have pulled that off during junethack 02:36 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:38 [dnh] k2 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) was given Magicbane, on T:3424 02:38 \o/ 02:40 Now sinking your teeth in dnethack? 02:40 yup 02:41 Good luck. 02:41 dNetHack is fairly hard. 02:41 if i ascend dnethack the only variant i wont have ascended that your scoreboard tracks is acehack 02:41 Since it is quite different in content. 02:41 thanks 02:41 yeah i am already finding this out. i know when i get to the end game i'll probably have a ton of questions 02:41 AceHack will go away after three years from the last ascension. 02:42 !scores 02:42 K2: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/scoreboard (HDF) or https://scoreboard.xd.cm (ALL) 02:42 K2: There's Vlad's entrance in Gehennom. 02:42 I mean Gnomish Mines. 02:42 oooh yeah 02:42 it goes up doesnt it 02:42 Yes. 02:42 from first mines lvl 02:42 ok 02:42 It's good idea to visit after you're somewhat powerful because there's some loot in there. 02:43 and its that odd map with the water and drawbridge 02:43 But not do Vlad's. 02:43 Yes, it's the "Valley". 02:43 lots of zombies if i recall 02:43 There's either a drawbridge or a squeeze. 02:43 As an access to the Vlad's. 02:43 i think i saw that same map in fourk 02:44 Yes, I've seen it somewhere as well. 02:44 to get to vlad's 02:44 cool 02:44 You need to defeat Kerberos to access Vlad's 02:44 But that can be done fairly early. 02:44 hah nice kerberos 02:45 so nov 20th this year 02:45 acehack goes away 02:45 There is guaranteed stack of holy water in Vlad's middle level. 02:45 Knowing circle of acheron helps against cerberus's melee, but he also has a dragonbreath fire breath now! 02:45 NeroOneTrueKing_: Oh! 02:45 NeroOneTrueKing_: Didn't know that. 02:45 So it may be safer (if you lack fire res) to go in melee 02:45 Yes, it's new 02:45 Also CPM on the same level as the water 02:45 Oh yes, CPM is the main prize! 02:45 CPM 02:46 ? 02:46 And dnethack's CPM is VERY nice 02:46 Crystal plate mail 02:46 Crystal plate mail. 02:46 It's much better in dnh. 02:46 sweet 02:46 16 base AC 02:46 Can be enchanted to +12? 02:46 And doubled enchantment 02:46 i know where i'm going after i finish mines 02:46 To +7, but 2 AC from each point 02:46 Aha. 02:47 Probably not that great for a wizard? 02:47 so why does no one play or host acehack anymore? 02:47 K2: It's nowhere to be played at 02:47 ok... but why? 02:47 Ie no server hosts it anymore. 02:47 Because NH4 is the successor to AceHack. 02:47 ah i see 02:47 CPM is great for wizards 02:47 No spell failure 02:48 * K2 is playing a wizard 02:48 Tarmunora__: But it's somewhat heavy. 02:48 is it lighter? 02:48 25 more than plate 02:48 It is. 02:48 100 more than DSM 02:48 But still not very light. 02:48 way better than vanilla 02:48 if its only 100 more than dsm 02:48 Hm, that's pretty good. 02:48 A good wish is The Blessed Fixed Greased Historic +3 Tie-Dye Shirt of Shambhala 02:49 unless Chris_ANG made dsm heavier in dnethack... 02:49 dsm weighs 150 units 02:49 DSM is 150, CPM is 250, plate is 225 02:49 gdammit 02:49 lol 02:49 ;) 02:49 Platinum/Chromatic DSM is 225 02:50 A very good artifact for a wizard are the "Gauntlets of Spell Power", which give 2x ray damage like the Magic Mirror of Merlin 02:50 DSM grants more than one extrinsic now though 02:50 neat 02:50 * Mandevil needs to get a dnh win too :-I 02:51 Gray: magic resistance + half spell damage 02:51 Problem is the mid game content is pretty harsh. 02:51 you dont have one Mandevil? thought you had a couple 02:51 I have couple of DynaHack wins. 02:51 Yellow: acid resistance + petrification resistance 02:51 i liked dynahack 02:51 Silver: NOTHING 02:51 unnethack on nh4 engine 02:51 Green: poison resistance + sickness resistance 02:51 Dyna is good. 02:52 But dnh is way more different. 02:52 err nitrohack 02:52 Gray, Yellow, and Green are the three best. 02:52 FIQ keeps correcting me on that point 02:52 dnh is extremely spoily. 02:52 Very 02:52 Coaching is recommended 02:52 Like slex, in a way 02:52 K2: Yes, it's NitroHack which was succeeded by NH4. 02:52 no worries, i will be asking ;) 02:52 Tarmunora__: But dnh makes sense :) 02:52 Where slex is just chaos. 02:53 maybe we could talk FIQ into porting dynahack over to nh4 base 02:53 SLEX: where a red 'R' is a rattlesnake. 02:53 K2: That is a lot of effort. It's actually the reason the dyna author abandoned it. 02:53 and then updating it so it's in line with unnethack 5 (i understand dynahack is based off of unnethack 3.x 02:53 K2: Another good wish is the (blessed etc) Gauntlets of Spell Power 02:53 ) 02:53 K2: Keeping up was too much work. 02:53 :/ 02:53 Or, Nero already said that :/ 02:54 thank you though 02:54 tie dyed shirt of shambala hahahah 02:54 three dog night! 02:54 The shirt does what? increase carry capacity? 02:55 K2: also, you get two guaranteed artifact wishes 02:55 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDpVS7D9AJs 02:55 love this song 02:55 i should learn it 02:57 Sixties music? 02:58 K2, I just pushed some fixes for bugs that NeroOneTrueKing_ ran across. 02:59 ok 03:00 Mandevil: 70's if i recall correctly 03:01 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:03 dNetHack updated 03:03 yay 03:07 Chris_ANG what all was fixed? 03:08 Asmodeus having insufficient HP? ;-) 03:08 heh 03:09 Artifacts that grant free action, potions of amnesia diluting, being gifted expert unarmed with a gift now gifts GM unarmed 03:09 And a few other things 03:10 'missing and/or flags on artifacts' 03:10 Also, some artifacts were missing a flag relating to how to evaluate whether they should do extra damage against a given target. 03:10 ah 03:10 The most visible symptom of this was that Mirror Brand was randomly blasting people. 03:10 that's significant 03:11 Also, fixed a longstanding bug that was causing the sokoban-staircase-rooms to contain significantly fewer monsters than they were supposed to. 03:15 K2: pay the general store to identify that brilliant blue gem for you 03:16 whats special about brilliant blue? 03:16 it's always a gemstone 03:16 specifically, a very expensive gemstone 03:16 ahhhhh 03:16 Worth 10k 03:16 as in protection racket worthy price? 03:16 sells for 5k 03:16 yeah 03:16 thanks 03:17 instead of protection, I'd recommend ID-ing scrolls and potions. 03:17 No pet? 03:17 no 03:17 i dont ever start with one 03:17 gets in the way 03:19 they do die quickly in dnethack 03:20 Good for stealing though .-. 03:21 true 03:21 Have you used the marker at all? 03:21 but i cant recall having started with a pet (on purpose) in over a year 03:21 even as a knight 03:21 no i havent 03:21 Writing identify would be a good idea 03:22 havent seen one yet 03:22 The spellbook, that is 03:22 <--- hasnt seen one 03:22 i dont know the spell yet 03:22 Get the luckstone, sacfest, and write it unknown 03:23 yeah 03:23 I thought you couldn't unknown write in dnethack? 03:23 Wizards get like, 98% chance to succeed at 11+ luck 03:23 I wrote poly first try as my ana today 03:23 huh 03:23 Didn't know the spell at all 03:23 good to know 03:25 nice 03:25 thank you pokedex 03:26 Metroids split from death rays 03:26 hah 03:26 They also make decent pets until they grow up to queens 03:26 THen they de-tame 03:26 And give you a bunch of crappy baby metroids 03:27 K2: Izchak's lamp is an oil/lantern? 03:27 yeah no magic lamps there 03:27 Dang 03:28 * K2 shrugs 03:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:28 Oh well, maybe you'll get an easy sunless sea 03:28 i have magicbane and a cornuthaum 03:28 i'm happy atm 03:29 Once you hit lvl 30 you can name your hat 03:29 The Hat of the Archmagi 03:30 It grants warning and Xray vision, and can be invoked for energy 03:30 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:30 nice 03:31 where did this damn leprechaun go with my gold 03:33 \o/ 03:34 You still carrying your staff? 03:34 no i sold it 03:34 do i want basic or premier service? 03:34 basic is enough 03:34 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 03:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 03:34 k 03:35 sell them one at a time 03:35 ok 03:35 Grab any wooden weapon (club, staff, elven dagger) and draw the Thjofastafur staff into it if you can 03:36 You will get detection of 'n' and 'l' when wielding said weapon, and can drop it at your feet to ward against 'n' and 'l' 03:36 K2: do your IDing before buying protection 03:36 i'm going to try wardless 03:36 as i never use E 03:37 use your 5000 gold to ID your inventory and then sell the second gem to get your gold back 03:37 ok thx 03:37 since unless you're planning on killing the priest... 03:37 (I do not recommend that course of action) 03:38 no i'm not 03:38 he's co-aligned 03:40 Also, if you want to be able to 're-use' those gems by letting a monster take them out of the shop, don't pick them up in the store 03:41 If a monster walks out with it after you grab it, it is marked as stolen and is worth nothing 03:42 hah damn 03:42 Wait, what? 03:43 That's a bug report. 03:43 RIP my stealing :( 03:43 Well, depending on which part you consider a bug 03:44 Any item that makes its way out of a shop without being purchased is 'stolen' 03:44 :( 03:44 It's not saying that 'you' stole it, but clearly someone did. 03:44 dnethack has RFID tags 03:47 any changes to price for protection racket? 03:47 Oh well, you can always slaughter shopkeepers for their gold 03:47 No change to protection costs iirc 03:47 ;) 03:48 (I usually forget to get protection anyways) 03:49 oooh not good 03:49 having the extra bump in MC is a Good Thing ™ 03:50 not to mention the AC 03:50 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:53 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 4489 points, T:3194, killed by a gnome 03:53 For autons, kill the weakest ones first 03:53 this should be interesting 03:53 gah i am out of rum 03:53 If you kill a stronger one it just promotes a weaker one to it's rank 03:53 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 03:53 !rum K2 03:53 * Beholder hands K2 a glass of white rum, distilled by Athame at 27 degrees Celsius. 03:53 ah good to know 03:53 10 oz is enough in one night right? 03:54 8-10 03:54 i didnt measure 03:55 Isn't MC from protection a 3.6.x thing? 03:55 hmm 03:55 i dont remember to be honest 03:55 lets look 03:55 (I never fuss about MC either) 03:56 hmm 03:57 cloak of magic resistance gives MC3 03:57 it doesnt clarify (the wiki) 03:57 about intrinsic protection 03:57