00:21 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 00:23 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:24 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has joined #hardfought 00:25 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:34 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:15 -!- Webmant has joined #hardfought 01:34 -!- Tomthetom00 has joined #hardfought 01:38 [nd] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4762 01:39 -!- Tomthetom00 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:23 jonadab: island nymphs can suck it 02:37 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:46 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:57 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 04:35 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:42 [fh] Fisting Hard (Tomthetom) (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 48536 points, T:8848, killed by a boiling potion 04:45 -!- tomthetom has quit [Quit: Updating details, brb] 04:45 -!- Tomthetom has joined #hardfought 05:25 [4k] k2 (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "uncursed fixed magic marker", on T:42765 05:48 [4k] k2 (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:43895 06:41 [4k] k2 (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached the Plane of Earth, on T:46510 06:52 [4k] k2 (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached the Astral Plane, on T:46884 07:05 go k2! 07:05 [4k] k2 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 250470 points, T:47045, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/nhfourk/dumps/2017-08-18%2011%3A05%3A13%2C%20k2-Sam-Hum-Mal-Law%2C%20ascended.txt 07:05 oh he did! :D 07:05 congrats 07:05 weeee 07:05 thanks! 07:05 that was a lil rough 07:07 !tell jonadab Fourk is definitely the most difficult out of the nh4/nitrohack based variants 07:07 Will do, K2! 07:09 K2: What did the island nymph do to you? Steal all your things and teleport away? 07:09 jonadab: Message from K2 at 2017-08-18 07:07 EDT: Fourk is definitely the most difficult out of the nh4/nitrohack based variants 07:10 yes, it did what typical nymphs do 07:10 however 07:10 its beefed up 07:10 True. 07:10 i learned that the hard way 07:10 but luckily i was able to take them down before it started getting stupid 07:11 I'm not sure how to feel about the news that FOurk is the _hardest_ NH4 variant. I was at one point actually worried that too many of Fourk's changes were strictly beneficial to the player and the overall balance of Fourk might be too easy. 07:11 no, not at all 07:11 But I guess that was before the damage reduction chagnes. 07:12 Might've been before the to-hit changes as well. 07:12 i think you implement more nerfs than any other variant i've played 07:12 thats what makes it more difficult 07:12 Oh, I see you ascended. Congrats. 07:12 thanks 07:12 there were things i was doing that i took for granted would work but did not 07:12 Oh? 07:12 such as increasing my HP 07:13 Ah. 07:13 You tried to use _full_ healing to increase max HP. 07:13 the only reliable way i could do that was to pound potions of gain level 07:13 full or extra 07:13 didnt matter 07:13 Potions of extra healing do increase max HP, if blessed. 07:13 POssibly even uncursed, it's just a smaller increase. 07:13 they didnt after a certain point 07:13 Although, it only goes up to a certain point, true. 07:13 i was at 280 hp and quaffed 5 blessed extra healing in a row, nothing 07:14 AH. 07:14 Yeah, when you get that high, it stops working. 07:14 so i figured i had hit some sort of cap 07:14 280 was as high as i ever got 07:14 death took me down to 130 something 07:14 Ah. 07:15 130 could be a bit scary on Astral, yeah. 07:15 err 164 07:15 yeah 07:15 100 anything on astral is an issue 07:15 i was leaving the first altar and started making my way to the middle 07:15 purple rain was not working out as well as it usually does 07:15 worms werent eating the priests 07:15 I don't think I nerfed THAT. 07:16 i dunno 07:16 but it became a hack fest 07:16 so going back to middle was fairly clear 07:16 i alsmost got dbl teamed by death and pestillence hah 07:16 worms werent working so i switched to conflict, that helped 07:16 I haven't even implemented Conquest yet :-) 07:17 lol whats thaT 07:17 The first Rider, the one on the white horse, that NetHack omits for some reason. 07:17 aaaahhh 07:17 He's in my Dungeon Overhaul proposal. 07:17 the missing rider! 07:19 So do you feel that certain of Fourk's nerfs are overdone, unfair, or unbalanced? 07:19 well, you know my thoughts about the samurai 07:19 (Aside from the Sam skill caps, we discussed those already.) 07:19 heh yeah 07:20 Did any of the demon changes seem out of balance? 07:20 i can see diminishing returns on quaffing potions, not sure about it hitting a hard cap 07:20 no demons were fine 07:20 pit fiends opening a chasm hah 07:20 that got me once 07:20 and herzou having skiny blinding skin 07:21 stinky 07:21 that was neat 07:21 and of course the magic chests, only fourk and dynahack do that 07:21 <--- big fan 07:21 Yeah, Chris_ANG has made noises about possibly cherry-picking the hezrou thing. 07:21 Did you encounter any deep ettins? 07:21 you're more prlific with the magic chests than dynahack 07:21 i did 07:22 and i promptly genocided those fuckers 07:22 I see. 07:22 those semed more deadly than liches 07:22 or at least on par with arch liches 07:22 and in groups, holy crap 07:22 You encountered _groups_ of them? 07:23 i did 07:23 Wow. 07:23 3 07:23 Yeah, they normally generate solo. 07:23 first one was solo 07:23 then later on same level, 3 in a group 07:23 Although, there are certain special levels that specify multiple random X, e.g., the Castle. 07:23 So that could result in it. 07:23 it was asmo's lair i think 07:23 Ah. 07:23 the big lap of rooms with tunnels in middle 07:24 Oh, that one, yeah. 07:24 I think that one does specify multiple xorn-class monsters. 07:24 after encountering the three i was like 'nope' 07:24 Heh. 07:24 ;) 07:24 You know FIQ wants to make them non-genocideable. 07:25 Also arch-liches. 07:25 i noticed disenchanters were beefed up some as well 07:25 I told him players would riot. 07:25 hah 07:25 but yeah it was fun jonadab 07:25 was a challenge 07:25 What did I do to disenchanters? I don't remember. 07:26 their disenchanting ability kicks in a lot more frequently from what i was seeing 07:26 @4k?disenchanter 07:26 Oh, that might be part of my MC changes. 07:26 i dont think pinobot has come back yet since the great k-lined event 07:26 nope 07:26 Which, I have plans to entirely eliminate MC and see what happens. 07:26 ... 07:26 I expect trouble about that from some players. 07:27 um yeah 07:27 The idea would be to rebalance the things it protects against so they aren't unmanageable, but that would take probably multiple dev cycles. 07:27 So the late game would probably be pretty rough for a version or two. 07:28 Maybe I should _postpone_ that plan, in light of what you've said about Fourk being harder than even FIQHack. 07:28 i didnt find FIQhack that difficult 07:28 its harder than vanilla of course 07:28 but i ascended a 6 conduct monk 07:29 Wow. 07:29 maybe i just had a lot of RNG luck 07:29 Maybe you're just good at NetHack. 07:29 i'm better than i was this time last year 07:29 but i still have a ways to go 07:29 !tell LarienTelrunya You missed your chance to ascend the first Fourk Samurai, somebody beat you to it. 07:29 Will do, jonadab! 07:30 :P 07:31 dnethack is next on my list 07:31 dnethack's balance is very different from vanilla. 07:31 i havent given that variant very much attention, its high time i did 07:31 Yeah. 07:31 was the same with fiqhack/fourk/dynahack 07:32 I've struggled with it a bit, haven't managed to get much deeper than quest portal depth in d. 07:32 Right now I'm working on FIQHack. 07:32 what role are you attempting? 07:32 Monk. 07:32 sweet 07:32 Because I've never ascended a Monk in any variant, and it's On My List. 07:32 nice 07:33 FIQ did a tweak to where your glove enchantment is added to your to hit and damage 07:33 thats very much in line with ad&d 07:33 Oh? Interesting. 07:33 oh yeah, you'll notice it with a +5 pair of 07:34 i went with the dex gauntlets, i like spellcasting as a monk 07:34 Yeah, Dex gauntlets are my preferred gauntlets _in general_. 07:35 i just consult the venn diagram. are you a spellcaster? yes ->> gauntlets of dexterity. no? --> gauntlets of power 07:35 I only use gauntlets of power in the early game, if I find them when my Str is less than 18. 07:36 i'll use them as an early wizard for obvious reasons 07:36 then ditch 07:36 unless i come across a robe 07:36 then i may keep them 07:36 Yeah. If I don't have gauntlets of dexterity, my second-most-preferred gauntlets are leather gloves. 07:37 Theoretically, I would wear gauntlets of power if I didn't have gauntlets of dexterity _or_ leather gloves, but that'd be a rare situation, as the leather gloves are more common. 07:37 in grunthack you never have that problem late game ;) dragonhide gauntlets of dexterity and power hahah 07:38 Actually, I'd probably go for dragonhide gauntlets of dexterity and brilliance, if that's an option. 07:38 Combine both of the benefits-from-enchantment properties into one item. 07:39 i think it is 07:39 the object properties page on the wiki tells you want you can and cant add to whichever items 07:40 alright i need sleep 07:40 gnite ;) 07:40 Night. 08:11 -!- Manaflare has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:16 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:24 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:37 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:37 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 08:40 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:11 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 09:17 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has joined #hardfought 09:20 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:24 -!- Webmant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:34 16:23 <@K2> jonadab: island nymphs can suck it 09:34 ^ This x 1000 09:36 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 09:38 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 17294 points, T:9982, killed by a lizard 09:40 !tell K2 congratulations for ascending gameoverhack! What was the percentage with which you were missing mundane enemies despite having a full ascension kit? 50%? ;) 09:40 LarienTelrunya: Message from aosdict at 2017-08-17 19:53 EDT: implement "quinoa" as a monster or projectile 09:40 LarienTelrunya: Message from loli at 2017-08-17 19:53 EDT: if a hidden passage is behind a boulder can you have a way of discovering it so you can move the boulder 09:40 LarienTelrunya: Message from jonadab at 2017-08-18 07:29 EDT: You missed your chance to ascend the first Fourk Samurai, somebody beat you to it. 09:40 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 09:40 !tell jonadab unsuckify the samurai and I might ascend one next year :D 09:40 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 09:41 !tell loli there already is a way to discover the passage: drop everything, squeeze on the boulder, search! 09:41 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 09:42 Tangles: Oh, did you encounter an island nymph as well? 09:42 jonadab: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-08-18 09:40 EDT: unsuckify the samurai and I might ascend one next year :D 09:42 Did it steal things from you and teleport away? 09:42 * jonadab snickers. 09:42 hi jonadab! I died because of an island nymph last year. Castle level, i.e. noteleport, but she had a wand of digging. 09:43 Ouch. 09:43 And the stolen item was a shield of reflection and then a lieutenant had a wand of death. But I guess because of the wand destruction patch I'd have died anyway, because the wand destruction patch is . 09:44 The thing is, nymphs in 3.x can also do all of these things. And _can_ be high-level like island nymphs, if your difficuilty is high enough. 09:44 Yes. Vanilla nymphs are also damn annoying. 09:44 True. 09:44 Believe it or not, but SLEX actually nerfed them. They have a lower chance of stealing things, and a lower chance of teleporting away. 09:45 it's fascinating how all you developers keep removing or diminishing successful strategies in the name of balance 09:46 or in amy's case, fun 09:46 hothraxxa: Adding a fourth type of nymph is "removing or diminishing successful strategies"? 09:46 well some strategies are so successful that they need to be nerfed 09:46 that's why pudding farming and altar camping had to be limited :D 09:47 jonadab: i didn't name that specifically. it's a thing you people do 09:47 * jonadab will admit to nerfing the "write Elbereth twelve times on every single tile in the dungeon" strategy. 09:48 hothraxxa: slex is a work in progress, and sometimes I overnerf the player's strategic options. It's always possible to give back overnerfs though; in fact, next version will lessen the effect of the player's melee to-hit nerf :) 09:48 appreciated 09:48 and i was just yanking your chain with the fun comment 09:49 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9] 09:49 what is or isn't "fun" is quite subjective though; things one player finds frustrating may be fun to another 09:49 exactly 09:50 it's the devleoper's prerogative and i believe that should reign supreme 09:50 i don't have to like it 09:51 ok finally caught up on the backscroll. 09:51 however, i also believe no one should play a variant if you don'y ultimately enjoy it 09:51 heh, that's why I only play slex outside of junethack! 09:51 jonadab: I have had a number of bad encounters with island nymphs. The worst being having my ring of levitation stolen over water on Medusa's level. 09:51 but if slex didn't exist, I'd probably play grunthack, dnethack and nethack fourk only 09:52 not fiqhack too? 09:52 nah 09:52 fourk is more interesting 09:52 FIQhack is "vanilla right up until the last samurai quest level when someone decides to read genocide and wipe you out" :P 09:53 hahaha 09:53 or "vanilla right up until the castle level where you die because you read a scroll of earth to cross the moat" 09:54 Tangles: Oh, eep. Yeah, that'd be rough. 09:54 another one stole my CoMR, leaving me without MR on the VS level at the bottom of gehennom. 09:54 Island nymphs _are_ amphibious. 09:54 I survived that one. 09:54 Though I think water nymphs are too? 09:54 water nymphs can swim 09:54 Yeah, I don't know why I have a harder time with them than regular nymphs. 09:55 Although those are nerfed somewhat in fourk. 09:55 Right, the non-island nymphs are nerfed in Fourk. 09:55 So the island nymphs are going to be the ones that give you the most trouble. 09:56 Because they're like vanilla nymphs, only with maybe more HP. 09:56 And you can only reach skilled in your main weapon, so there's a good chance of missing the island nymph constantly. :D 09:56 LarienTelrunya: Play Barbarian and wield Cleaver :-) 09:56 I mean, if you want the game to be _easy_. 09:57 fourk will never be easy due to the satanic to-hit and damage reduction changes! 09:57 EPI: island nymphs that revive like trolls. 09:58 it always feels like trying to swim up a waterfall! 09:58 Hmm, perhaps the damage reduction change, though I think it's a good idea in general, is overdone and could be peeled back slightly. 09:58 jonadab: yeah I think they are harder to kill than in vanilla (maybe due to more HP). 09:59 also what the heck is up with "extra healing gives +maxHP but full healing does not"??? sounds completely out of wh@ck to me 09:59 LarienTelrunya: It's a pun on the word "extra". 09:59 and you're wondering why everone is saying that fourk is a hard variant! 10:00 Well, people _used_ to say that Fourk was an _easy_ variant. 10:00 At least two players compared it to Acehack. 10:01 ah, that reminds me, I wanted to ask you something! 10:01 what are the specific changes you made to all the major demons? Hezrou apparently have passive stinking clouds, but what about the others? 10:01 jonadab: That said, I have always enjoyed fourk. It's different enough to vanilla to make you rethink your strategy in certain places, but it still has discernible links between cause and effect, which means you _can_ form a strategy (unlike certain other variants :P) 10:01 Ice demons can freeze you in place for a small number of turns. (You can take actions, but you can't walk around.) 10:02 Pit fiends create pits in your vicinity, or change existing pits into holes. 10:03 Yeah the different attacks of the demons are interesting. 10:03 I'm trying to remember if there are other ones. 10:03 I haven't done anything particular to barbed devils, horned devils, bone devils. 10:04 In terms of difficulty, I'd still put it easier than FIQhack, despite what K2 says. 10:04 passive damage sounds like something barbed devils should have 10:04 he also says sporkhack is harder than grunthack. 10:04 LarienTelrunya: There's a thought. 10:04 Tangles: SporkHack is difficult in different ways from GruntHack. 10:04 And I'll admit that the damage reduction in Fourk is relevant in the late game. 10:05 And adds difficulty. 10:05 Evil Patch idea: horned devils use the uvuudaum spike attack from dnethack, flavored as impaling you on their horns. 10:05 But FIQHack feels harder to me so far. 10:05 At least in the early game. 10:05 !tell Chris_ANG Evil Patch idea: horned devils use the uvuudaum spike attack from dnethack, flavored as impaling you on their horns. 10:05 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 10:06 !tell K2 once you ascended all non-slex variants, will you try to ascend slex? ;) *bundlebundlebundle* 10:06 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 10:11 jonadab: Agreed, and whether a player finds one or the other more difficult probably comes down to playstyle. I think FIQhack is strictly more difficult though, when you have multiple gnomish wizards force-bolting you in an open cavern with nowhere to hide. Also player-monster bones. 10:12 The monster spellcasting has killed me more than once, yeah. 10:37 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 10:39 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:42 -!- Chris__ANG is now known as Chris_ANG 10:59 Tangles: all the early casters can do that 10:59 but they're slow 10:59 which can be abused 11:00 also, they used to be even easier than in vanilla due to how spellcast regen worked 11:00 so I made them move intelligently 11:00 that made quite a bigger difference than I expected 11:00 but I think that is ok 11:10 [nd] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:5673 11:13 FIQ: Of course it's ok! It's just... challenging :) 11:22 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 11:24 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:24 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has joined #hardfought 11:27 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:25 @le?elder priest 12:25 !ping 12:25 LarienTelrunya: Pong! 12:34 A unique horn attack might make some sense, but the Uvuudaum headspike attack specifically doesn't really makes sense for them. 12:34 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-08-18 10:05 EDT: Evil Patch idea: horned devils use the uvuudaum spike attack from dnethack, flavored as impaling you on their horns. 12:34 ah; well it was an idea ;) 12:35 also Chris_ANG, will you implement more D&D-derived monsters in the future? 12:35 They have to be ones that can be implemented in interesting ways into nethack. 12:35 But yeah. 12:36 :) 12:36 ...though, my current impression of D&D is that they've basically stopped producing new content :( 12:37 There is still plenty of classic stuff, though. 12:37 :) I'd like to see plenty of it in dnethack 12:55 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:01 -!- jonathan_hanes has joined #hardfought 13:03 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:26 -!- Webmant has joined #hardfought 13:31 [slex] dolores (Mar Lol Fem Cha), 33198 points, T:4738, killed by a blast of fire 13:31 !lastgame 13:31 loli: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-08-18 09:41 EDT: there already is a way to discover the passage: drop everything, squeeze on the boulder, search! 13:31 loli: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dolores/slex/dumplog/1503011321.slex.txt 13:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:56 -!- Manaflare has joined #hardfought 14:14 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:14 -!- jonathan_hanes has quit [Quit: *poof*] 14:21 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 14:21 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:21 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 14:30 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:35 [slex] dolores (Cam Ang Fem Cha), 10159 points, T:4015, killed by a monster (mountain giant) 14:36 !lastgame 14:36 loli: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dolores/slex/dumplog/1503077663.slex.txt 14:59 -!- jonathan_hanes has joined #hardfought 15:00 !ping 15:00 jonathan_hanes: Pong! 15:13 :) 15:13 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-08-18 09:40 EDT: congratulations for ascending gameoverhack! What was the percentage with which you were missing mundane enemies despite having a full ascension kit? 50%? ;) 15:13 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-08-18 10:06 EDT: once you ascended all non-slex variants, will you try to ascend slex? ;) *bundlebundlebundle* 15:14 LarienTelrunya 15:14 hi K2! 15:14 1) its not bad once you enchant your wepaons 15:14 2) perhaps 15:14 :D nice! 15:14 hi! 15:14 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 15:14 o/ 15:14 how's your dnethacking going? 15:14 i havent started yet 15:14 i just woke up 15:15 ah 15:15 i hate night shift 15:15 feel like i'm wasting the day away 15:16 in regards to the past discussion on varoant difficulty - i enjoy the difficulty and challenges each variant poses. it's interesting to see how everyone ranks them 15:16 *variant 15:17 Tangles may find FIQhack harder than Fourk for the simple fact that he's played it a lot more than I have 15:17 haha, as fate would have it, loli managed to get the worst dnethack monster in existence as a pet in slex! https://abload.de/img/amysbanetksgc.png :D 15:17 could be same reason I find sporkhack harder than grunthack 15:17 heh, I find spork harder than grunt too! 15:18 grunt is much more difficult in the early game 15:18 but overall spork is more difficult imo, the way certain things are nerfed or tweaked 15:18 really? at least with the samurai, grunt seemed pretty tame 15:19 grunthack early game - zombies, werefoo 15:19 midgame - gelcubes (and sometimes beholders appear) 15:20 somehow I never saw a gelatinous instakillcube in grunt yet 15:20 late game - dragons, water elementals, and you will encounter all of the demon princes 15:20 does Demogorgon really have armor-shredding attacks and stuff? 15:20 gelcubes arent instalkill 15:20 but its damn near close if they engulf you 15:21 i dont recall demo ever disintegrating armor 15:21 but 15:21 he plus a lot of other high level spell casting types can use player spells 15:21 such as acid blast 15:21 oh 15:21 and grunt allows item destruction due to erosion 15:22 oh also in late game - asc kit buffed NPC's, and vampire mages 15:22 yes 15:22 i'm going to tweak beholder for 0.2.2 15:22 *the beholder 15:23 really? 15:23 yes 15:23 a few of us discussed it a few weeks ago 15:23 i'm going to bump up its level significantly, but that will actually help the player 15:24 Demo has armour-shredding in dnethack 15:24 they will be harder to kill (more HP) but you wont see them so early, and via warning they'll show as they should 15:24 Tarmunora__ does MR protect against that? 15:24 Nope 15:24 hah 15:25 He also has a spell that causes sickness, paralyses, and makes your hands slippery all at once 15:25 Tarmunora__: but in dnethack you can skip him; a certain other monster https://abload.de/img/amysbanetksgc.png on the other hand, cannot, and will also shred your stuff :P 15:25 "fun" 15:25 neat 15:26 The elder priest is squishy though 15:26 Get free action so his casting-spam can't paralyze you 15:26 And bash him in the face 2-3 times 15:26 Or throw rocks 15:27 A +0 magicbane will kill him an a handful of hits 15:30 They have 40-60 health iirc 15:30 they also revive after 3 turns or so :O 15:31 Grab the amulet and run! 15:31 heh, that's what I wanted to do, but there were something like 50 umber hulks and xorns and pits everywhere 15:31 all summoned by the elder priest! 15:32 Kill them all! Or genocide 15:33 I think you can genocide the xorns and stuff 15:33 Also, flying boots>earthquake pits 15:33 oh so dnethack has items that convey flying after all 15:34 what I did was switch out my ring of free action (<--- FAULT) for levitation 15:34 and since I no longer had a cloak of magic resistance thanks to a certain well-balanced monster, I got paralysis-locked and died 15:45 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 15:48 Who shredded your cloak? 15:49 well, the elder priest of course 15:49 Well 15:49 Have you tried enchanted darts? 15:50 nah, it was the first time I ever got that far in dnethack, so I didn't know that the amulet was guarded by a creature that could challenge God and Chuck Norris to a duel at the same time and defeat both of them 15:50 up to that point, I had basically stepped on everything along the way except Dagon 15:52 Dagon is the easiest of the brine flats 15:52 what??? 15:52 As long as you can tank 1 hit from him 15:52 Dagon is the only that you cannot circumvent :( 15:52 He literally can't touch you 15:53 ??? 15:53 it certainly took like 30 rounds to kill him, and he shredded me every turn 15:53 also lost my COMR to him of course, but thankfully I had spares 15:53 One scroll of scare monster 15:53 100% success, and he has no casting or ranged other than a gaze 15:53 oh 15:53 ?oSM and a blindfold 15:53 100% immunity to Dagon 15:54 guess I'm too used to slex, where demon lords are immune to both Elbereth and scare monster 15:54 Also you can use ward like pentagram 15:54 OTOH, Demo, Lamashtu, ELder Priest, Asmo 15:55 Asmo I also circumvented :) 15:55 They all have a chance to ignore wards/elbereth/?oSM 15:55 Asmo you can pay off 15:55 all the demon lords except Dagon neither start on the downstair, nor do you have to wake them up on your way to that stair ;) 15:55