00:08 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 00:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 00:28 fuck 00:28 my pet wields my pick-axe 00:28 good job game 00:35 -!- captain42 has quit [Changing host] 00:35 -!- captain42 has joined #hardfought 00:35 god this level is annoying 00:35 > kills a hard monster for dlvl9 00:35 > turns into a nether lich 00:41 fuck refugees are op 00:41 [slex] dolores (Ord Ang Fem Cha), 33524 points, T:4625, killed by a monster (refugee) 00:41 !lastgame 00:41 loli: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dolores/slex/dumplog/1502848982.slex.txt 00:41 @le?refugee 00:41 refugee (V) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 13 | Spd: 10 | Res: cold sleep poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 40 | Generates: special | AC: 4 | Attacks: 5d4 touch physical, 3d8 cast fire, 2d6 passive fire | Alignment: -2 | Flags: genocidable, breathless, mindless, poisonous, undead, stalker 00:42 yeah, they are pretty tough 00:42 aaaaaaa 00:42 the game was out to get me the entire level 00:42 so if you see one of those, you might want to leave and come back to your level 00:42 @le?raw mana vortex 00:42 raw mana vortex (v) | Lvl: 33 | Diff: 40 | Spd: 27 | Res: fire sleep poison petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 30 | Generates: special | AC: -3 | Attacks: 8d8 engulf mana, 8d8 non-contacting-beam mana | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, flies, breathless, mindless, unsolid, nopoly, vegan 00:43 bug_sniper: that level was evil 00:43 I think it might be the ordinators quest level 00:43 it seemd too evil to be a normal slex level 00:44 loli, I had to deal with a raw mana vortex on the nightmare level and I thought that was tougher 00:44 @le?nightwalker 00:44 nightwalker (W) | Lvl: 73 | Diff: 75 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison petrification drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 95 | Generates: special | AC: -21 | Attacks: 10d10 touch disenchant, 10d10 touch disenchant, 8d8 touch disenchant, 8d8 touch disenchant, 8d8 cast spell | Alignment: -6 | Flags: genocidable, flies, breathless, unsolid, nopoly, undead, stalker 00:45 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa bug_sniper 00:45 @le?martian walker 00:45 martian walker (A) | Lvl: 56 | Diff: 63 | Spd: 9 | Res: fire cold poison petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 100 | Generates: special | AC: -10 | Attacks: 4d20 hug physical, 3d20 hug physical, 10d10 non-contacting-beam fire | Alignment: -10 | Flags: swims, amorphous, breathless, mindless, oviparous, nopoly, stalker 00:45 that's scarier than my truck ghost 00:45 at least that's slow 00:45 I ran away from a martian walker that I saw somewhere 00:45 bug_sniper: I had a death as a camperstriker earlier today, where I got killed by my boots 00:45 did 100 dmg to me over 30~ turns 00:46 [4k] k2 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 9648 points, T:6257, killed by a raven 00:48 @le?elder priest 00:48 elder priest (@) | Lvl: 25 | Diff: 36 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire sleep shock poison petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 90 | Generates: special | AC: -9 | Attacks: 2d10 weapon physical, 1d4 gaze paralyze, 2d10 tentacle amulet steal, 2d10 tentacle sticky, 2d8 cast clerical, 2d8 cast clerical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: omnivore, swims, amphibious, seeinvis, nopoly, covetous, infravisible 00:48 @le?lichen 00:48 lichen (F) | Lvl: 0 | Diff: 1 | Spd: 1 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 9 | Attacks: 0d0 touch sticky | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, breathless, mindless, vegan 00:48 did amy not implement the tentacle damage type? 00:49 maybe not 00:49 yyou should ask! 00:52 !tell LarienTelrunya did you forget to implement the tentacles damage type 00:52 Will do, bug_sniper! 00:53 !tell LarienTelrunya add some tentacles to the messages 00:53 Will do, loli! 00:54 !tell LarienTelrunya how about a fully lit level where the monsters at the top of the screen spell "do you want your possesions identified" 00:54 Will do, bug_sniper! 00:54 bug_sniper: we should get her to add the elder priest 00:54 as a mob 00:55 !tell LarienTelrunya this time, you don't have the excuse that it would be too difficult to implement 00:55 Will do, bug_sniper! 00:55 kek 00:56 you just wanted that, ehhh? 00:57 yeah, you can say that 00:58 turn her fork into a horror game 00:59 a horror *hack game would be fun 01:19 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:24 YANI: Bull rush command that lets a character attempt to shove a target back one or more squares. Relative size of the character vs the monster would be an important factor. The character would possibly move to follow the target. Would allow the character to stay mobile if surrounded by small targets. 02:19 -!- Tomthetom has joined #hardfought 02:25 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 02:25 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:26 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 02:49 [4k] k2 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 8919 points, T:3795, killed by a warg 03:06 sigh 03:06 yasd :D 03:07 pretty much all of my fourk deaths lately have been YASD ;) 03:07 its all good 03:11 -!- Tomthetom has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:45 -!- Manaflare has joined #hardfought 03:45 -!- Tomthetom has joined #hardfought 03:56 -!- Tomthetom has quit [Quit: Bye] 04:30 [4k] k2 (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Minetown temple, on T:5504 04:33 -!- Manaflare has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:05 -!- Manaflare has joined #hardfought 05:31 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:41 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:01 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 06:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 06:20 Wooot got to do a proper "protection racket", got my dwarf cav to MT while still lv1 06:20 only got 2 points though, nvm 06:31 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 9980 points, T:5378, killed by a yeti 06:40 I'm such a bad person - my little dog Slasher was fighting a kitten near me while I was in a shop, and Slasher got killed! 06:40 ;) 06:41 So I paid the shopkeeper 7zm for Slasher's corpse, and threw it at the kitten to make a new pet :D 06:41 hah damn lol 06:41 after all, trial by combat n everything 06:41 winner takes all 07:30 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9] 09:03 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:04 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 09:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 09:11 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 09:12 [fh] Freakitsar (jonadab) (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 57475 points, T:17012, killed by a frost giant's wand 09:12 ^ Forgot to _lock_ a chest after I put that wand of striking into it. 09:13 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 09:13 jonadab :C 09:14 Yeah. 09:14 I keep getting caught out by that. 09:14 Though this is, I believe, the first time it's resulted in death. 09:15 I know that monsters looting containers seems more realistic, but bloody inconvenient (and painful at time). 09:15 s 09:15 Yeah. 09:15 I mean, I _had_ a key, I _could_ have locked it. I'm just used to the notion that putting something in a container secures it automatically, because in most variants, it does. 09:16 Habbits. 09:16 Habbits of Hobbits? 09:16 Perhaps. Are there hobbit monasteries? 09:16 We could make bad puns. 09:17 lol, hobbit nuns - are the none? 09:17 are there none 09:17 Heh. 09:17 YASI: hobbit nuns 09:18 Actually, YASI: nun as a playable role. I mean, monk is a role, why NOT nun? 09:18 sure! I'm all for diversity :D 09:19 YASI: And then if you implement the #sing action, someone could play The Singing Nun. 09:22 would be nice if you could use the #sing command with most role/race combos, and doing so would produce a relevant song from relevant origins 09:29 dwarven valkyries sing In the Hall of the Mountain King 09:30 or maybe just Ride of the Valkyries 09:32 A Night on Bald Mountain. Except I don't think that has lyrics. 09:45 n) [ a +5 pair of jackboots (being worn) 09:45 Thanks watch captain. 09:45 No wonder he was so hard to kill. 09:48 Beholder: messages please :) 09:48 LarienTelrunya: Message from loli at 2017-08-15 21:44 EDT: yo how does "inertia control" work, Chris_ANG states that it might do nothing at all! Thanks~ 09:48 LarienTelrunya: Message from Chris_ANG at 2017-08-15 21:45 EDT: It appears you forgot to call castinertiaspell() anywhere, so it seems "inertia control" doesn't work, yeah. 09:48 LarienTelrunya: Message from bug_sniper at 2017-08-16 00:52 EDT: did you forget to implement the tentacles damage type 09:48 LarienTelrunya: Message from loli at 2017-08-16 00:53 EDT: add some tentacles to the messages 09:48 LarienTelrunya: Message from bug_sniper at 2017-08-16 00:54 EDT: how about a fully lit level where the monsters at the top of the screen spell "do you want your possesions identified" 09:48 LarienTelrunya: Message from bug_sniper at 2017-08-16 00:55 EDT: this time, you don't have the excuse that it would be too difficult to implement 09:49 !tell loli inertia control does work :) allmain.c says: if (u.inertiacontrol) { castinertiaspell(); 09:49 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 09:49 !tell bug_sniper ah, I already have a few levels where monsters spell out short messages, the DYWYPI prompt can be done :) 09:49 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 09:50 Isn't the I a problem? 09:50 !tell Chris_ANG I love the fact that you added the pokedex to dnethack and especially the name given to the tentacling attack, I hope it stays the way it is now :D:D:D ♥ 09:50 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 09:51 jonadab: slex has a I monster class; I made sure none of them are gray ;) 09:51 @le?flying piranha 09:51 flying piranha (I) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 7 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 4 | Attacks: 2d6 bite physical, 0d0 touch wrap | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, flies, swims, amphibious, oviparous, vegetarian 09:51 LarienTelrunya: Ah. 09:51 Flying piranha, of course. Naturally, slex would have flying piranhas. Of course it does. 09:52 @le?flying shark 09:52 flying shark (;) | Lvl: 7 | Diff: 9 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 2 | Attacks: 5d6 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, flies, swims, amphibious, thick hide, oviparous, vegetarian 09:52 They naturally spawn in lava squares, and their drowning attack is an instadeath unless you are fire resistant. 09:52 @le?sharknado 09:52 sharknado ~3~ sharkbait (;) | Lvl: 18 | Diff: 21 | Spd: 12 | Res: sleep | Confers: nothing | MR: 40 | Generates: special | AC: -3 | Attacks: 1d16 weapon wrap, 1d16 non-contacting-beam insanity | Alignment: -15 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, swims, amphibious, breathless, oviparous, infravisible, vegetarian 09:52 Hmm. 09:52 @le?jumping kraken 09:52 jumping kraken (I) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 22 | Spd: 3 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 6 | Attacks: 2d4 claw physical, 2d4 claw physical, 2d6 hug wrap, 5d4 bite physical | Alignment: -3 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, flies, swims, amphibious, oviparous, infravisible, vegetarian 09:52 @le?short skirt 09:52 short skirt (I) | Lvl: 19 | Diff: 23 | Spd: 12 | Res: sleep | Confers: nothing | MR: 40 | Generates: special | AC: -3 | Attacks: 1d16 weapon wrap, 1d16 cast clerical | Alignment: -15 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, flies, swims, amphibious, breathless, oviparous, infravisible, vegetarian 09:55 !tell loli how inertia control works is that it lets you choose one of your known spells, and then it automatically casts it once per turn for a while. It still costs mana, but it does not cost turns, so you can walk around and cast the spell at the same time! 09:55 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 10:07 @le?thighhigh 10:07 bug_sniper: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-08-16 09:49 EDT: ah, I already have a few levels where monsters spell out short messages, the DYWYPI prompt can be done :) 10:07 ಠ_ಠ Nope. 10:08 you want a monster that has thighs? :D 10:08 @le?thighs 10:08 thighs (I) | Lvl: 19 | Diff: 22 | Spd: 12 | Res: sleep | Confers: nothing | MR: 40 | Generates: special | AC: -3 | Attacks: 1d16 weapon wrap, 0d0 touch skill-cap-reducting | Alignment: -15 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, flies, swims, amphibious, breathless, oviparous, infravisible, vegetarian 10:08 hi 10:08 Hello bug_sniper, Welcome to #hardfought 10:08 also hi bug_sniper :) 10:08 good to know that thighs are vegetarian 10:09 nope, one that's a boot that goes as high as the thighs 10:11 also my local slex development version has weeping angel contamination now at last :D (thanks Chris_ANG for giving me the idea) 10:17 EPI: grid bug contamination. If a grid bug hits you, you lose the ability to move diagonally. Needs Restore Ability to cure it. 10:18 haha, the new AD_MINA attack can actually cause that! I shall make a grid bug that has AD_MINA! thanks! :) 10:18 Or better yet, you can ONLY move diagonally ;) 10:18 Just incase your EPI wasn't evil enough 10:19 new monster: forty-five-degree grid bug 10:19 Oooh, make two versions of it, one that prevents orthogonal movement, the other prevents diagonal. 10:19 How about an EPI that makes it so you can only move like a chess knight? 10:19 Hopefully you don't get hit with both. 10:19 LarienTelrunya: Wouldn't that require you to have jumping? 10:19 normally I'd say that would make the interface awful, but this is slex, so no problems here 10:19 There was an idea floating around for a chess piece monster where if you were in it's legal move space it would be instadeath 10:20 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2100 10:20 Jonathanhanes_: pretty sure LarienTelrunya came up with that in the first place :) 10:20 but it'd be checkmate, right. Not just check. 10:21 Maybe that'd depend on whether or not you had a free move from being very fast 10:23 LarienTelrunya: NeroOneTrueKing did most of the work porting slex's pokedex, I believe 10:23 ooh, and if you're encumbered and lose your turn, oh well 10:24 Tarmunora__: ah :) 10:24 !tell NeroOneTrueKing yay you ported the pokedex to dnethack!!! that's amazing! ♥ 10:24 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 10:25 I think the rules of chess would turn that into an illegal move you take back, so it could be a sin to move to where you would be captured 10:26 I think I'd simply implement it as an instadeath attack that only works at that range. then you don't need to worry about special cases in the speed system 10:27 because after all, this is just themed on chess. not chess itself. 10:27 and checkmate is then an emergent property rather than having to be examined manually 10:30 chessrogue has enough instadeaths from checkmates already 10:31 and in the higher difficulty settings, you can kill yourself by getting into check too 11:04 [slex] dolores (Pal Ang Fem Cha), 2506 points, T:2033, killed by a monster (porter Olog-hai) 11:18 [dnh] Tarmunora (Ana Dro Fem Cha), 141876 points, T:8233, killed by an Olog-hai 11:21 !tell K2 sorry to be a bother, but I pushed a hotfix for slex right now; can you update the server with the current master branch? thanks! ;) 11:21 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 11:22 The Olog-Hai are on a spree today 11:22 Team T gonna rule the dungeon ;) 11:35 hello 11:35 Hello NeroOneTrueKing, Welcome to #hardfought 11:35 NeroOneTrueKing: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-08-16 10:24 EDT: yay you ported the pokedex to dnethack!!! that's amazing! ♥ 11:35 NeroOneTrueKing: did you decide what to name the AD_TENT attack? I hope it stays the way it is now ;) 11:36 yup, I figured it was easier than trying to explain what it actually does, which is a surprising lot 11:36 and conveys the danger well enough! 11:36 hahaha, great! :D 11:41 [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Cav Bat Mal Neu), 301 points, T:468, killed by an acid blob 11:45 EPI: a monster whose pheromones make you attack yourself using whatever weapon(s) you have wielded, whatever projectiles you have quivered, and whatever attack spells you know. Works any time the character is within 20 tiles of you, regardless of whether you can see it. 11:59 [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Cav Bat Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2685 12:11 [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Cav Bat Mal Neu) was given Mirror Brand, on T:4047 12:19 YANI: roaming shopkeepers so that you can be killed by a shopkeeper without kicking any doors 12:19 wait, should be YASI 12:19 EPI, actually ;) 12:20 and slex has the venture capitalist that you can play as: for them, shopkeepers start out hostile and in "hot pursuit" mode 12:20 I reserve the right to reclassify yanis as yasis if I think they're stupid 12:26 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:28 That one was clearly an EPI. 12:28 Even LarienTelrunya says so. 12:29 YASIs and EPIs have some overlap 12:31 True. 12:33 EPI: Kops can generate on any level. If you attack one and don't quite kill it on the first hit, he can call in a bunch of hostile shopkeepers to help. 12:42 [slex] dolores (Cam Vee Fem Cha), 16951 points, T:5134, killed by a magic missile 12:42 too many invis people Q_Q 12:42 loli: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-08-16 09:49 EDT: inertia control does work :) allmain.c says: if (u.inertiacontrol) { castinertiaspell(); 12:42 loli: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-08-16 09:55 EDT: how inertia control works is that it lets you choose one of your known spells, and then it automatically casts it once per turn for a while. It still costs mana, but it does not cost turns, so you can walk around and cast the spell at the same time! 12:42 ahh 12:45 !lastgame dolores 12:45 LarienTelrunya: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dolores/slex/dumplog/1502896258.slex.txt 13:09 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 8400 points, T:5972, killed by a scorpion 13:14 EPI: a monster that can cast anti-magic fields on you, preventing you from working any magic until the field wears off. 13:15 EPI: it can also summon disenchanters, nymphs, and disintegrators. 13:15 EPI: anti-magic fields not only prevent spellcasting, you also cannot use any magical item (potion, scroll, wand etc.) anymore until it wears off. 13:29 [dnh] Tarmunora (Ana Dro Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:5718 13:30 [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Cav Bat Mal Neu) was given Ogresmasher, on T:6254 13:38 [dnh] Tarmunora (Ana Dro Fem Cha) wished for "The blessed fixed greased historic Tie-Dye Shirt of Shambhala", on T:6221 13:51 [dnh] jonathan (Tou Inc Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2884 13:53 [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Cav Bat Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail named the Armor of the Ancestors", on T:7813 14:02 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 14:04 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:12 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:12 [dnh] Tarmunora (Ana Dro Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:8578 14:20 [dnh] jonathan (Tou Inc Mal Neu) was given Magicbane, on T:6628 14:22 [dnh] Tarmunora (Ana Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:9321 14:23 [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Cav Bat Mal Neu) killed Sir Garland, on T:10652 14:35 hi 14:35 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 14:35 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-08-16 11:21 EDT: sorry to be a bother, but I pushed a hotfix for slex right now; can you update the server with the current master branch? thanks! ;) 14:36 [slex] dolores (Ord Ang Fem Cha) killed Weitzer, on T:8719 14:36 who is that 14:36 former teacher of mine 14:37 lol 14:37 was he strong? 14:37 LarienTelrunya: you must not have liked him very much 14:38 heh, I never actually had him as a teacher except as a substitution 14:38 he was okay, albeit a bit boring 14:39 but not boring enough to be excluded from your variant... 14:40 Nothing is THAT boring. 14:40 aosdict: I don't understand primary goal #10 of your combat overhaul proposal (Bonuses and penalties should mostly be continuous functions of their independent variables/Weird step functions like NetHack currently uses are unintuitive) 14:40 i sense a back story 14:40 ah hi K2! can you update the server please? ;) 14:40 its compiling 14:40 yay! 14:40 its never a bother to ask me to update a variant or look at an issue 14:40 okay :) 14:40 Are you referring to rnz/rnl weirdness, or d(x) roles, or? 14:41 seems I'm still used to ascension.run ;) 14:41 *roles -> rolls 14:41 hah 14:42 -!- Chris__ANG is now known as Chris_ANG 14:44 SlashEM Extended updated 14:44 yay! thanks! :) 14:49 [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Cav Bat Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 Cloak of the Unheld One", on T:12759 14:49 \o/ 14:52 Chris_ANG: I mean that things like the amount of HP regen which are weird and discontinuous (1 until Con = 13 at which point it's suddenly d(Con)) 14:53 though that's not a combat mechanic itself, just an example 14:53 Ah, yep, that makes sense. You might want to give an exaple or two with that entry. 14:53 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-08-16 09:50 EDT: I love the fact that you added the pokedex to dnethack and especially the name given to the tentacling attack, I hope it stays the way it is now :D:D:D ♥ 14:54 btw, did I ever mention that I think the 1 -> 1d(Con) thing is a mistake, 14:54 and that the originally intended value was 1 -> 1d(Con - 12)? 14:55 I have absolutly no evidence for this, other than the fact that the way it's coded now is bizarly discontinuous. 14:56 LarienTelrunya: Ah :). As noted upthread, it was NeroOneTrueKing who coded the pokedex. 14:56 saddly, 14:56 I was going to propose a system where level doesn't matter at all and regen is 1 hp every (26-Con) turns 14:56 but it's an early draft, want to hear what people think of it 14:57 at some point I should replace that with something a *bit* more descriptive :/ 14:58 aosdict: why cut out level entirely and not decrease its effect? 14:59 aosdict: Consider that, in theory, a flat +Level-per-some-interval healing rate means that (in theory) it takes about the same amount of time to heal up at 10th level as it does at 1st 14:59 ...Apparently that's a very theoretical point.... 15:00 NeroOneTrueKing: Anything goes, as long as natural regeneration doesn't ever surpass the ring. That's what I want to try. 15:01 (30 - Con - Level/4)? 15:01 er not /4 15:01 level/7 15:01 It could be (56 - level - Con) / 2 or something 15:02 aosdict: make extrinsic regen stack with natural regen, somehow. 15:02 That's easy 15:02 Just make them independent 15:02 But yes, making it 1 hp every (decreasing with con) turns makes sense to me. 15:03 (Natural regen, that is.) 15:03 I'd be tempted to make the ring of regen chargeable, as well. 15:03 Perhaps look at buffing extrinsic regen so you don't have to hit natural regen quite as hard 15:03 But that might be OP. 15:03 Unless its formula changes. 15:04 Tarmunora__: The idea is to hit natural regen hard. 15:04 Also, as a 'small matter of programming', you could make it so natural regen only takes effect say, 50 turns after last taking damage 15:04 The player does not currently have to worry about HP very often. 15:04 Tarmunora__: Eeeep, that would be evil. 15:05 Or only when resting, like the clockwork race :P 15:05 aosdict: Early-game, the player sometimes has to worry about HP to the point where it's a gradual downhill spiral because monsters spawn faster than you can regenerate health. 15:05 Even after 5 turns since taking damage would stop the problem of "you regenerate faster than you get hurt" 15:05 You try to retreat to earlier levels and heal, but monsters generate there, rinse, repeat. 15:06 NeroOneTrueKing: 5 turns, that is somewhat more reasonable. 15:06 Tarmunora__: I think the overall goal is to smooth out spike damage but make regen much slower, such that enemies can actually wear you down over multiple encounters. 15:06 In my opinion, the player shouldn't have to worry about health outside of/between bouts of combats 15:06 Because having to manage HP significantly between fights could really slow down the game 15:07 50 turns is too long, then. You often don't go that long between encounters. 15:07 This isn't DCSS, where you wander around empty levels a lot. 15:07 True, I didn't really think before giving a number :/ 15:07 Although, if we turn down the post-levgen monster spawn rate, some of this could change. 15:08 NeroOneTrueKing: but in gehennom, you kill something and spend 30 turns wandering around till you encounter something else 15:08 Hmm. 15:08 Which I kind of want to do anyway (turn down the spawn rate). 15:08 or ToME, where the standard thing to do is to rest for 100+ turns after every enemy to recharge your health/mana/etc 15:08 aosdict: Oh, Gehennom, true. 15:08 Well, that's partly because of the mazes, which MUST DIE. 15:08 death to mazes! hear, hear! 15:08 * aosdict genocides mazes 15:08 Suddenly, the dungeon collapses. 15:09 How about a maze-making algorithm that doesn't prohibit loops? 15:09 3.6.1 has it 15:09 Only wide-mazes 15:09 LarienTelrunya: but mazes have other problems even if they loop 15:09 And auto-explore for all! 15:10 wide-mazes that don't prohibit loops would be perfectly fine 15:10 I never uploaded this frustration issues document, did I... 15:10 mazes are its centerpiece 15:10 I think mazes are good to have 15:10 In small numbers 15:10 also, I'd like to suggest looking at slex's mazes.des ;) 15:11 In appropriate locations. Ie: not every damn floor of gehennom 15:12 jonadab: I said yesterday that the adjustment to levgen spawn rate / normal spawn rate might make nethack a bit more like a level-by-level challenge 15:12 clear a floor, eat corpses, rest, heal, repeat 15:12 Also, buff minotaurs to be terrifying and have them nogen but mazes get one at levgen 15:12 One of these days I need to implement some more gehennom level generators. 15:13 [slex] dolores (Ord Ang Fem Cha), 114138 points, T:10657, killed by a cowardly attack on her breasts 15:13 aosdict: True. 15:13 aosdict: But perhaps somewhere in between there is a happy medium? 15:13 I think that a 'level-by-level challenge' would be appropriate for gehennom, but I wouldn't want to see it in the main dungeon 15:14 jonadab, aosdict: more special levels! why are they only limited to one per floor? 15:14 !lastgame dolores 15:14 LarienTelrunya: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dolores/slex/dumplog/1502901878.slex.txt 15:14 and gehennom has practically none 15:15 which is weird. I'd want to see giant halls, dragon halls, barracks, etc. 15:16 I wonder what people would think of mazes if they were more like the Catacombs 15:16 random inaccessible places, large open areas, plenty of loops, embedded rooms 15:20 that would be better 15:22 NeroOneTrueKing: That's not a balance issue. It's a dungeon overhaul issue. ANd yes, my proposal addresses that. 15:22 If you mean what I think you mean. 15:24 it's only a balance issue in that it means that gehennom's denizens are spread out and can't put up a fight. 15:24 well in vanilla, getting zerg rushed by demons would be more annoying than anything 15:24 because they'd keep gating stuff in 15:27 LarienTelrunya: have you implemented zerg yet? 15:27 nope, because I have no idea what their specialty would be 15:27 Arriving in huge numbers. 15:27 And all attacking you at once. 15:28 heh, I have a G_VLGROUP flag for monsters, which can make them kinda zerg rush you ;) 15:28 Think in terms of something like a lemure, but when a level has them, it spawns 50 of them every 100 turns or so. 15:28 Ok, maybe stronger than a lemure. That's _too_ wimpy. 15:29 free XP and items! 15:29 So make them never drop a corpse. 15:29 I know what you want to do, give the flag to something like arch-liches ;) 15:29 Zerg-liches 15:29 That would be evil. 15:30 Grem-liches, that steal your intrinsics and multiply every dozen turns 15:30 [nd] Rx (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 1592 points, T:2492, killed by a hobbit, while fainted from lack of food 15:31 the fun part is actually that slex is still playable despite me actually implementing all those monsters :D 15:31 -!- Manaflare has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31 "playable" 15:32 That seems like an exaggeration to me. 15:32 The compiler doesn't crash despite the massive monst.c file? 15:32 Oh, _compilable_. 15:32 That I might buy. 15:32 Hey, there are like, 7 ascentions! 15:32 Total 15:33 even executable! 15:33 And only by LarienTelrunya 15:34 aosdict: Sure. 15:36 8, actually ;) 15:36 Tarmunora__: be the first non-Amy to ascend it! *bundlebundlebundle* :D 15:36 I value my sanity 15:36 Sanity is superfluous. 15:37 And would prefer to take on the elder priest in hand-to-hand combat 15:37 Ah. 15:37 dnh monk? 15:38 I mean, I've punched it to death as a binder 15:38 Wait, no. I may have just banished it from existance in that game 15:40 jonadab: did you adjust the formula for chances to hit while twoweaponing? 15:40 in fourk 15:40 K2: The adjustment isn't specific to two-weaponing, but yes. 15:41 The to-hit formula in Fourk still needs work, but it's got some adjustments compared to vanilla. 15:41 in what way? 15:42 77f67e9b3b6 is the major commit on that, I think. 15:42 There are others, but I believe that's the biggie. 15:43 ok 15:44 [4k] k2 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 15879 points, T:8218, killed by a forest centaur 15:45 Oh, see also 154fa82dc7ea 15:46 i dont know how to search via commit tag 15:46 git show [hash] 15:46 -!- Tomthetom has joined #hardfought 15:46 Oh, the first change was commit 66605280f9a279, which put the effects of luck and XL on to-hit onto a logarithmic scale, together. 15:49 [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Cav Bat Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:16184 15:50 hmm 15:50 so overall, being able to hit monsters with basically anything was nerfed somewhat 15:51 Somewhat. 15:51 My formula still needs work, though. 15:51 jonadab: log scales would be an... interesting addition to my combat system 15:53 per 154fa82dc7ea 15:53 twoweaponing actually got some love 15:53 [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Cav Bat Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:16636 15:54 i like the restricted vs unskilled bits 15:54 maybe i've just been having shitty luck 15:54 my samurai in my last game was having a hard time hitting most anything while twoweaponing, even at skilled and the weapons used were also skilled 15:55 Amy indicated something like that as well. 15:55 ^^ 15:55 playing fourk is like constantly swimming up the creek, it never gets any easier 15:55 Part of the problem may be that the skill _cap_ in both categories, in 4.3.0.4, is skilled. 15:56 your skills and therefore combat prowess max out very early, and ancient dragons will tear you up 15:56 And per 77f67e9b3b6, your skill _cap_ has an impact on to-hit. 15:56 Well, ancient dragons don't generate anywhere except dragon halls. 15:56 at XL14 and skilled in twoweaponing and long sword, the samurai still misses a freaking killer bee every other time 15:56 killer bees are kind of hard to hit. 15:56 still scratching my head about samurai only able to get to skilled in both long sword and twoweaponing, but are still expert with the bow. fighting with the sword was a samurai's main fighting skill. i think that change was a mistake jonadab 15:57 ^^^^^^^^ 15:57 K2: That's because I hadn't split long sword from katana yet. 15:57