10:32 jonadab: I hadn't seen the Class Overhaul Proposal except as a reference in your dungeon overhaul proposal. It will certainly be very good for describing spell balance issues. 10:32 Hmm, I wonder if I shoudld write up the spell balance issues without looking at it first, though. 10:32 should* 10:40 aosdict: Yeah, Class Overhaul was dtsund's proposal and although I would quibble over some of the details, on the whole I think it would be a huge improvement to the game. Very worth a read, IMO. 10:40 But yes, if you want to write up spell balance issues first, that makes sense. 10:41 I'm inclined just to read this now so I don't end up duplicating a lot of stuff (some of the Spells section I wrote is already duplicated) 10:42 example: energy regeneration is always 1 and only the frequency depends on stats 10:42 THe energy regen changes proposed in Class Overhaul are intended to differentiate roles. 10:43 So for example, some roles are good at getting decent casting success rates but can't cast often; some are good at casting often but struggle with difficult spells; Wizard can do both; and roles like Caveman aren't good at either. 10:44 Right. 10:47 [slex] dolores (Ele Dev Fem Cha), 1260 points, T:991, killed by a monster (ravenous cube), while paralyzed by a monster attack 10:51 dtsund pulls no punches in this proposal. It's hilarious. 10:52 Yes, he comes from a perspective of being familiar with multiple roguelikes and also some roguelites. 10:52 And yes is sufficiently familiar with NetHack to comment on it quite intelligently. 10:54 jonadeb, are you keeping track of nice patch ideas on a website, or is it just evil patch ideas? 10:55 is jonadeb jonadab's evil twin sister? 10:56 http://jonadab.jumpingcrab.com/nethack-stuff/evil-patch-ideas/ gives me an error dns not resolves 10:56 d 10:56 or possibly nice twin sister, jonadab does maintain the evil patch idea list after all 10:57 bug_sniper: What are "nice patch ideas"? 10:58 bug_sniper: jonadab.jumpingcrab.com _should_ currently resolve to 75.185.35.110 10:59 Unless the free dynamic DNS provider has died or dropped the jumpingcrab.com domain. 11:00 I can't reach it either. 11:00 Hmm, yeah. 11:00 I may need to check on that. 11:01 IP address works though 11:02 jonadab, the opposite of evil patch ideas 11:02 the opposite of an evil patch idea is something that implements the opposite thing with the same amount of evil 11:03 Ok, my freedns.afraid.org account went dormant, because my IP address didn't change for too long. I just have to extend it. 11:03 bug_sniper: Oh, the _opposite_ of evil patch ideas. Yeah, that's doc/todo-fourk.txt in the Fourk repo. 11:04 https://github.com/tsadok/nhfourk/blob/master/doc/todo-fourk.txt 11:04 Although that file also contains bug reports. 11:06 nice patch idea: Reassembly of all arrows, bolts, and darts that break when they kit the wall 11:06 *hit the wall 11:06 What, using a tube of superglue? 11:07 no, a technique as a weaponsmith 11:07 nice patch idea: chicken soup that reverses loss in constitution 11:07 throwing chicken soup at a shade, wraith or ghost instakills it 11:08 because it's good for the soul 11:09 EPI: monsters don't just disappear when they die. They ascend to a higher plane of existence, i.e., Astral. Where you encounter them again, later, if you make it that far. 11:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:09 but then what happens when you kill something on Astral? They ascend again and become gods? 11:10 And smite you? Sure, why not. <-- EPI. 11:18 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:18 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:18 [nd] dammitjim (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:45365 11:49 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 11:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:52 Did you know that there are high heels in dnethack too? Shame Chris didn't add a possibility to use the stiletto heels to sever the asshole elder priest's asshole tentacles and stomp them to a bloody pulp.--More-- 11:54 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 11:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 11:56 !players 11:56 Grasshopper: dolores [slex] mtf [fh] dammitjim [nd] elenmirie [nd] groovejumper [dyn] 12:05 [nd] dammitjim (Rog Orc Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 2430 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:47244 12:05 I! WILL! BLOW! 12:07 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 12:15 [slex] dolores (Cam Ang Fem Cha), 1931 points, T:2390, killed by a monster (giant ant) 12:16 EPI: the Elder Priest's tentacles should be able to reach you anywhere on the level, plus anywhere on the level above or the level below. 12:20 EPI: after grabbing the amulet from the Elder Priest, a Dread Seraph spawns on the upstairs, regardless of which variant you are playing. Cursed potions of gain level do not work. 12:27 [nd] dammitjim (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:48810 12:42 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 12:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 12:43 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:46 -!- raisse has quit [Client Quit] 12:46 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:46 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:46 !tell LarienTelrunya I think it would be fine for your comments to go on the talk page; things that would make it especially readable are if the section headings on the talk page correspond to the real sections (already like that), and if everything's signed so I know where it came from 12:46 Will do, aosdict! 12:47 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:47 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 12:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 12:48 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:48 Hmm, I'm also not sure what I should do if someone posts a thing on the talk page and then I move all of it onto the main page, if it should be deleted off the talk page. 12:49 It'll still be in the history. 12:49 yeah, but I dunno, it seems kind of rude 12:49 Although if it has replies, it maybe should stay. 12:49 on the other hand, it makes the talk page cleaner 12:50 I don't think it's rude to move something from the talk page to the main page. That's basically promoting it to a more prominent position. 12:50 I've deleted a few talk page comment chains in the past because they were from eight years ago and discussing something that's been on the page for six, but it feels wrong for some reason 12:50 Nah, that's fine, that's what history is for. 12:51 That's _why_ wikis have history. 12:51 That, of course, and being able to tell who is responsible for a given piece of vandalism. 12:52 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:55 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 9947 points, T:6244, killed by a leocrotta 12:56 [fh] MTF (mtf) (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed the ghost of hothraxxa, the former , on T:12148 12:58 -!- Tarmunora-m has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:10 jonadab: idea I had about armor: what if, instead of one stat for damage reduction, it had three separate stats which represent its ability to block piercing, slashing, and bludgeoning damage respectively? 13:10 The player is shown only the average of these, or something similar, as AC. 13:11 Enchantment affects all three quantities, so the average and displayed AC changes one-to-one with the armor enchantment 13:14 -!- Tarmunora-m has joined #hardfought 13:32 aosdict: I think that idea might need refinement, but it's probably worth thinking about. For a game where different monsters have very different resistances to those three damage types (and three other non-physical ones), see Battle for Wesnoth. It works quite well there. 13:36 yes, I'd rather see variable damage type resistances like battle for wesnoth has than boolean "resists blunt" 13:38 I think that a stat for each damage type, plus evasiveness, could work very well. 13:38 Ring mail = decent for everything except piercing, plate = good all around, especially vs slashing, but has an evasivness penalty, and so on 13:39 The question is whether it's unnecessarily complicated. 13:40 Well, the reason I thought of it is because the damage types affect basically nothing in nethack right now except for messages 13:40 True. 13:41 Nobody carries a second weapon to use against different kinds of enemies, for instance. 13:42 Unless you count dual-wielding with a silver weapon. 13:43 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 13:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 13:43 Then again, I don't particularly think players should have to worry about equalizing their armor defense 13:43 and some players undoubtedly will 13:45 Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I think it doesn't really improve the game, to have that distinction for armor. 13:45 Might be unnecessary realism that doesn't improve gameplay. 13:48 Perhaps they could be in addition to generic AC 13:49 ie) plate armor gives a good amount of generic AC, plus some anti-slashing AC and anti-pierce AC 13:49 I think that still might lead to players trying to balance it out tediously 13:50 also, almost everything would resist slashing, and not much would resist bludgeoning, with it being realistic. 13:51 For bludgeoning, you'd ideally want _padded_ armor, IRL. 13:51 you only get the damagetype AC from body armor and shields, everything else gives generic AC 13:52 so there's only 2 slots (1 if you want to 2-weapon or use a 2-handed weapon), so it's more of an 'armor choice' than a 'balance your kit' thing. 13:52 I think an evasiveness/damage reduction split is more important than splitting damage reduction, and the general plan was to have shields boost evasiveness since you use it to ward off attacks 13:52 agreed 13:53 i.e. if something hits your shield it's probably not doing any damage 13:53 That seems reasonable. 13:56 (probably I'd implement this similar to how Grunt does and if you only "evade" an attack due to your shield, have "The monster's attack is deflected by your shield!" instead of "The monster misses." 13:56 ) 13:58 -!- Tarmunora-m has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:40 -!- theRaisse has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 14:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 14:51 [nd] dammitjim (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:52007 14:52 [nd] dammitjim (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Geryon, on T:52017 14:53 no wonder why I had a hard time killing anything s - ) 13 heavily cursed stainless -11 silver arrows (wielded) {0} 14:55 [slex] dolores (Cam Lic Fem Law), 31828 points, T:4452, killed by a monster (the Rat King) 14:56 -!- Jonathanhanes_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:59 -!- loli has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9] 15:00 -!- loli has joined #hardfought 15:01 loli: Rat King seems like a pretty respectable death 15:01 does it really? 15:01 [nd] dammitjim (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:52727 15:01 that was a horrible run 15:01 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:7108 15:01 -11 arrows as my weapon 15:02 and not being able to tell what's going on because camper striker spams you a bit too hard 15:07 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:07 aosdict: now that I've thought on it more, splitting damage reduction is more about enemies than players. Things like dragons being vulnerable to piercing attacks and rope golems being vulnerable to slashing. For players it can be minor, since it isn't feasible to switch armor based on the enemies, but a player's weapon choice between piercing, slashing, and blunt is much more easily varied. 15:09 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 12652 points, T:7441, killed by a mountain centaur 15:09 True, although it would be annoying to switch weapons a lot because it's advantageous against the next monster you're fighting. I'm not sure if I want to encourage players to do that at the expense of smooth play. 15:10 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:10 I wonder what would happen if you did something as simple as making the "kebabable" attribute give a damage bonus instead of a to-hit bonus. 15:12 It should probably do both. 15:13 At most you can carry three weapons, but some weapons have multiple damage types 15:13 But yeah, I'm not sure encouraging frequent weapon swapping is really the right way to fix the skill slot issue. 15:14 I don't recommend how significant dnethack does this: resistant monsters take 1/4 damage, which is way too much. Improving AC would be nicer 15:14 (improving AC without improving evasiveness, that is) 15:15 [fh] MTF (mtf) (Mon Hum Mal Law), 78809 points, T:18625, killed by a sergeant 15:15 er, by "take 1/4 damage is way too much", I mean that the effect is too much. Enemies shouldn't become 4x harder to kill; 2x at the most 15:18 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:18 jonadab: I'm not seeing this as a way to fix skill slots 15:19 My preferred way to improve skill slots in the area of direct combat is to add armor and shield skills. 15:19 Some variants have those, though I'm not sure which. None I've played personally. 15:20 SLEX has them, but I have no idea about the specifics of what they actually do 15:21 aosdict: Fourk has shield and wand and stealth skills. It's not enough. 15:21 You can still just enhance everything. 15:21 okay, one I've played one game of and did not interact with that mechanic at all :P 15:21 jonadab: Yeah, it's only an improvement. Not a full fix 15:25 It costs only 6 skill points to go from Unskilled -> Expert for a weapon, and 4 points to go from Unskilled -> Expert for other things. What if these were increased? 15:25 That would probably be more annoying. 15:27 What if you only got 15 points or so, instead of thirty? 15:27 Either that, or there need to be more uses for them. 15:27 It'd still be frontloaded, unless you're saying to gain one every 2 levels 15:28 That's a possibility. 15:28 As mentioned, D&D did at *most* one per 3 levels. 15:28 (er, as mentioned on the talk page, which maybe people haven't read ^^') 15:30 And if character's whole carrier in early edditions lasted only 11 levels or so, that means you got only 3 skill points. 15:31 (plus the 4 or so you got when starting out, but that served the same function as nethack's "you get basic skill in your starting equipment" rule) 15:32 Did it have tiers of skill? I'm going to guess not 15:32 It did 15:32 Nethack basically uses D&D's skill system. 15:34 Crucially, 15:34 D&D does *not* use this system for spellcasting skills. 15:35 Hmm. 15:36 What if spell skills only took one point to go from unskilled to basic, one point from basic to skilled, one point from skilled to expert? 15:36 (again, I don't mean to advocate for re-setting nethack's system to D&Ds, 15:36 And then we give out a skill point only when gaining odd-numbered levels (so XL1, 3, 5, ...) 15:36 I'd kind of like to see the same points used for both weapons and other skills, including casting. 15:37 chris_ang: magic is pretty much my only reason for levelling past 14, in fact 15:37 but it may be instructive to know that nethack's system is descended from one that was designed around having *way* fewer skill slots) 15:38 It's also worth pointing out, I think, that currently _most_ roles are restricted in the spell schools you'd actually want to advance (such as divination). 15:38 Most of the schools aren't worth advancing except under _exotic_ conditions. 15:39 That probably needs to be fixed somehow too. 15:40 Divination spells being too powerful for those with lots of Pw and skill is also something I aim to fix 15:40 I don't think the various schools are even remotely close to equally useful, currently. 15:41 Also, some of the useful ones aren't any more useful if enhanced. 15:42 (Incidently, on the topic of "add more skills that people would want to spend skill slots on", I put up a short list of possible non-combat skills: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Chris/Nonweapon_skills) 15:42 What if spellcasting skill was able to overcome casting penalties from armor? 15:42 jonadab: which spell schools are you thinking of? 15:42 NeroOneTrueKing_: it kind of does that already 15:43 Then you'd have spellslinging wizards in full plate mail ;) 15:43 (Or would, except plate mail sucks...) 15:44 oh6: Just for example, Clerical spells are only worth advancing if you need the failure rate improvement to cast remove curse at less than 100% fail. 15:44 Could add an "Armored casting" skill that some melee+magic roles could gain skill in. 15:44 aosdict: not really. Once you overcome spell difficulty, skill does nothing. It's capped at 120% success rate before penalty is applied 15:44 well, past "skilled" sure 15:44 but they're sure worth advancing to skilled for the uncurse-inventory thing 15:45 Chris_ANG: we don't really see spellslinging wizards in full crystal plate mail, yeah. 15:45 The only reason to enhance enchantment would be to get a lower fail rate on charm monster, I think? Which, granted, charm monster is completely OP. 15:45 enchantment is kind of a miscellaneous category 15:45 Escape is an almost worthless school. 15:45 One easy nerf for charm monster, not what we discussed earlier, is to bump up its level 15:45 Is there any advantage to enhancing Healing? 15:46 aosdict: Yes, it needs that. 15:46 Fourk already bumps its level some. 15:46 Cure sickness is a good reason to enhance healing 15:46 if you can cast it at 0% fail 15:46 yeah, given the availability of nearly everything it provides via items, yeah (re escape) 15:47 I think dnh's adjustment to charm monster is a good idea 15:47 Only reason to enhance matter would be if you need it to get polymorph below 100% fail. 15:47 that's certainly the only reason I advance it 15:47 Which, most characters can't do. 15:47 or cast anything other than polymorph 15:48 (The fact that most characters can't cast polymorph is ok. It's a powerful spell.) 15:48 once in a blue moon I actually have a use for "knock", but that literally is one in a hundred games 15:49 Wizard lock is better than knock. Because if you happen to have a door between you and a dangerous enemy, it's actually useful. 15:49 Granted, that is not often. 15:49 oh wait I forgot about wizard lock, but I don't really count that because I mostly cast it as part of my terrible habit of altar farming 15:50 only way to fix broken doors, though, so it is actually relevant 15:50 well, I guess a wand of locking, but those are pretty rare, and doors can break again 15:50 How often do you need to do that, though? 15:50 I think it's not something you'd ever spend a skill slot on unless you have literally no other meaningful use for the skill slot. 15:51 if I'm farming an altar? too many times to count, but see "terrible habit" above. 15:51 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 4191 points, T:4316, killed by a pony 15:51 Wizard lock at high skill should force items off the doorway to adjacent squares 15:51 yeah, it's not something I'd use a skill slot for otherwise 15:51 yani: ^ 15:52 actually, if wizard lock at high level could turn a doorway into a straight-up *wall*, that might be interesting 15:52 that would also be annoying, unless you had the NH4 ability to cast the normal or advanced spell 15:52 FIQHack wand of locking can do that at master level (i.e., expert skill with a blessed wand). 15:52 I mean, it makes them hidden doors. 15:52 Hidden doors is what I'd suggest, yes 15:52 But they act like walls if you don't search. 15:52 good enough for most purposes 15:53 Annoying thing about secret doors is there's no way for the player to know about them but not monsters, or vice versa 15:53 my actual desire for that is so that I can bounce spells while altar farming, but see "terrible habit" again 15:54 * aosdict read that as "terrible hobbit" 15:55 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:57 aosdict: "terrible hobbit" sounds like a slex monster. Some weird variation on terrible child, maybe. 15:58 Nassty hobbit! Terrible hobbit! Bagginssss! 16:02 [nd] dammitjim (Rog Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:57142 16:03 [nd] dammitjim (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:57146 16:26 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 3822 points, T:4107, killed by a hill orc 16:29 heh 16:51 [gh] k2 (Wiz Gia Mal Neu), 4915 points, T:4359, killed by a dwarf 16:51 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu) averted death, on T:719 16:53 [fh] MTF (mtf) (Sam Hum Mal Law), 80262 points, T:22173, quit 17:37 -!- Webmant9 is now known as Webmant 17:37 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:40 [fh] MTF (mtf) (Sam Hum Mal Law), 14189 points, T:684, killed by a Mr. Kinsky, the shopkeeper's wand 18:11 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu) averted death, on T:4462 18:17 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a rothe, on T:5029 18:17 crud 18:18 9 conducts? 18:18 that's the way it goes! 18:18 like singing "99 bottles of beer" 18:18 which 10 are you attempting? 18:18 all the "standard" ones except pacifist and foodless 18:19 vegan/vegetarian, atheist, illiterate, weaponless, wishless/artiwishless, polyselfless, polypileless, genoless 18:20 ah ok you're lumping in the subsets 18:21 yeah, that's the way it's recorded... 18:21 I've done all those conducts before at one time or another but never all at once 18:22 actually, not sure if I've ever done genoless 18:23 I did genoless once. Astral was awful. 18:23 Three arch-liches immediately warped to me and cursed my boh before I could do anything. 18:24 eep 18:25 I'm not sure why there are liches on astral anyway... you would think they don't like the undead very much up there 18:25 I guess when you're an arch-lich, you go where you want 18:28 !tell K2 pushed a FIQhack update that adds a weight + slot counter to the inventory, similar to DynaHack 18:28 Will do, FIQ! 18:48 [fh] MTF (mtf) (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the ghost of NeroOneTrueKing, the former , on T:4055 18:50 ok 18:50 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-08-07 18:28 EDT: pushed a FIQhack update that adds a weight + slot counter to the inventory, similar to DynaHack 18:51 FIQhack updated 18:52 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:8054 19:00 I generally play genoless, but I overprep insanely 19:04 elenmirie: how goes the 12 conduct run? 19:04 only 10! 19:05 only 10 she says 19:05 I got one well into gehennom, but it started going horribly wrong 19:05 heh :P 19:05 and then continued going horribly wrong :) 19:05 i watched part of that 19:05 while you were in orcus town 19:05 ah, the summon fest! 19:05 damn liches 19:05 yes 19:05 !lotg elenmirie 19:05 May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, elenmirie! 19:06 thanks K2! 19:06 can you feel the heat of the rays coming down from heaven? 19:06 i heard a chorus 19:07 hehe 19:09 what 19:09 did my !lastgame 19:09 does someone have vanilla wizard mode handy? I'd like to see if what seems like a bug in dnethack is in vanilla too 19:10 !lastgame 19:10 loli: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mtf/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-08-07%2021%3A40%3A17%2C%20MTF-Sam-Hum-Mal-Law%2C%20died.txt 19:10 !lastgame dolores 19:10 loli: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dolores/slex/dumplog/1502122591.slex.txt 19:10 odd it seems liker the game crashed 19:11 [it's not even on the last games list 19:11 NeroOneTrueKing_: what do you want to test? 19:11 If a Nazgul wields a +20 Fire Brand (or some other artifact weapon) and hits you with it, what happens? 19:11 :( I got rid of my cursed items as well 19:12 ie, do you take the 2x(d8+20) damage from Fire Brand? Does it give the "firey blade burns you" message? 19:13 should I be resistant? 19:13 better if you aren't. It should be obvious once it hits you 19:14 I don't see any burning messages, and I'm a level 20 arc so I shouldn't have gained fire resistance 19:14 he did drain me the first time 19:14 and it looks like those attacks only did d8 each 19:15 HP is now 88/99 19:15 after being hit twice 19:15 You gave him a well enchanted weapon, right? 19:15 it is +20 19:15 aha, it is in vanilla too! 19:16 Thanks! 19:16 [slex] dolores (Cam Lic Fem Cha), 163 points, T:96, killed by a gas spore's explosion 19:17 specifically, if a monster has an attack (AT_WEAP, AD_OTHER, N, D), it won't properly use the weapon. It'll say it swings the weapon at you, but it will actually only do the AD_OTHER-damage-type attack of (N)d(D) damage. 19:17 EPI: every time you get a death in slex that you can also get in vanilla, you begin your next game with -2 luck 19:17 AD_OTHER being anything than AD_PHYS 19:25 [slex] oh6 (Dru Sed Mal Neu), 3762 points, T:2769, killed by a monster (dwarf) 19:43 -!- Jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 19:43 testing 19:43 !ping 19:43 Jonathanhanes: Pong! 19:44 !booze me 19:44 * Beholder throws me a schooner of grog, prayed over by the late Pinobot at 17 degrees Celsius. 19:44 !lastasc 19:44 Jonathanhanes: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/sporkhack/dumplog/1501793078.sp.txt 19:44 cool, gratz K2 on the spork ascension 19:45 congrats 19:46 !lastdeath jonathanhanes 19:46 !lastgame jonathanhanes 19:46 Jonathanhanes: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/j/jonathanhanes/nhdev/dumplog/1501990303.nhdev.txt 19:53 thx! 19:54 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 20:04 -!- zombifier has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:07 -!- zombifier has joined #hardfought 20:14 [fh] MTF (mtf) (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 orange dragon scale mail", on T:9037 20:20 -!- zombifier has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:20 [slex] dolores (Cam Roh Fem Cha), 1943 points, T:2067, burned by a fireball 20:21 -!- zombifier has joined #hardfought 20:29 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:30 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:05 [slex] dolores (Cam Lic Fem Cha), 471 points, T:515, killed by a monster (pale white shark) 22:19 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:20 -!- bhaak has joined #hardfought 22:26 !tell K2 pushed a fiqhack update 22:26 Will do, FIQ! 22:32 this guy is pretty good "Base level = 24, difficulty = 25, AC = -30, magic resistance = 75, alignment 5." 22:32 on the second or so floor 22:34 another update FIQ? 22:34 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-08-07 22:26 EDT: pushed a fiqhack update 22:34 apparently so 22:35 no 22:35 i'm on strike 22:35 * aosdict hands K2 a picket sign and a wand of striking 22:37 Tangles, maybe you need to do push it. K2 is unsuccessfully fighting our attempt to update. 22:37 :) 22:40 I caved. FIQhack is updated 22:46 what should I wish for? 22:46 I found a scroll of wishing 22:46 world peace 22:46 Amy talked about making that pacify all monsters in the dungeon a few weeks ago 22:46 in slex? no idea 22:47 lol 22:47 free win... well except if you have to eat 22:47 K2: oh? sorry 22:47 everyone would hate you if you stopped the peace 22:47 should I stop telling you for a while? 22:47 and hmm... 22:47 idk what's good 22:47 I just do it as part of my usual routine 22:47 I added the ability to name items on the ground 22:47 I need some good armor 22:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 22:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 22:51 [slex] dolores (Cam Lic Fem Cha) wished for "+3 Stone dragon scale mail", on T:3015 22:52 huh, only 10 ac still 22:53 [nd] jonathanhanes (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2628 points, T:3875, killed by a giant rat 22:57 So I found 3 bags on the first 2 levels 22:57 1 bag (1) and 2 bag (2)'s 22:58 I assumed 2 was probably a sack because I had 2 and the other was a boh 22:58 nope 22:58 2 boh's 22:58 :/ 22:58 You can always test by putting them in each other! :P 22:59 or could, as the case may be 22:59 a sure fire test indeed 22:59 also I guessed right picking the ammy at the shop, it was reflection. Could have completely skipped soko 22:59 The humanity :D 23:02 that was wierd, I though it was supposed to enchant armor 23:02 loli, I must have missed something with that scroll 23:03 yes 23:03 btw bug_sniper 23:03 why is my ac 10? 23:03 I am wearing good armor, no? 23:03 no idea, could be a trap or a racial thing 23:04 Lich's can get ac... I think 23:05 I don't know, maybe amy left in a trap of the effect of nudity 23:05 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 23:05 I got a free cat 23:07 you know what it could be 23:07 a trap that lies about your ac 23:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:09 !tell LarienTelrunya did you implement a trap that lies about your ac? 23:09 Will do, bug_sniper! 23:10 the lich start really balances out the camperstriker setup 23:10 though, as camperstriker, the game likes to spam you until you can't tell what's happening 23:11 I think the game gets tougher as the it proceeds for liches, but I forgot how 23:11 lovely, so I will be dealing with both then! 23:12 I think as camper striker, the worst you do the more it spams you, it might just have to do with level 23:12 oh, I see. So you're supposed to face lots of nasty monsters late in the game as a lich 23:12 ahh 23:13 and the difference with camperstrikers is that you get more nasty traps 23:13 and more curses 23:13 and heavily cursed starting equipment 23:13 I play it for the flavor messages 23:13 I can usually get rid of the starting equipment 23:13 it's nice 23:13 yep, just find enough nymphs and thieves 23:13 I just eat some food 23:13 and transform for a bit 23:14 monkeys are great at that 23:14 I couldn't tell if the game was trolling me if it wanted me to contact amy or not 23:14 let me find the screencap 23:14 https://puu.sh/x4qJN/bb73b2ff35.png 23:14 https://puu.sh/x4qNH/72fd5b544c.png 23:14 it kept doing that every time I attacked in that form 23:14 I know camperstriker sometimes spams that at you 23:14 but not 3 times in a row 23:15 loli, do you like the nasty traps and cursed starting equipment? 23:15 I can deal with those 23:15 I play it for the trolly messages exclusively 23:15 and I can tele spam 23:15 yeah, that's a bug to tell amy 23:15 my best character was a camper striker actualyl! 23:15 that's actually a bug? 23:15 but sometimes it reports itself on the screen 23:16 a spacewars fighter is the same but without the cursed starting equipment and nasty trap effects 23:16 wait so you get all the nice messages? 23:16 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 23:16 yes 23:16 and with a haxor too I think 23:16 i should be playing that then, lol 23:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 23:17 as a camperstriker, do you have the spell of remove curse? 23:17 no 23:19 the lich starts with a random spell and a really nice weapon 23:19 "athame" 23:20 !tell K2 pushed a bug fix 23:20 Will do, FIQ! 23:21 ayy -7 ac 23:21 so yes it was a trap that lied about my Ac for a while, bug_sniper 23:21 [fh] MTF (mtf) (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:22479 23:22 yeah, you must have found enlightenment to discover it 23:22 enlightenment? 23:22 yeah, how else do you know what you have? 23:22 you normally just know your ac 23:22 the trap might of ran out of time 23:28 :( 23:29 on the wiki, it says enemies health is doubled, is that really true, bug_sniper ? 23:29 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:29 I don't know 23:30 well rip 23:31 [slex] dolores (Cam Lic Fem Cha), 30824 points, T:4353, killed by a monster (mean robber) 23:36 [slex] dolores (Top Lol Fem Cha), 215 points, T:346, killed by an inka stinger 23:39 [slex] dolores (Roc Dev Fem Cha), 13 points, T:194, killed by a monster (prick rat) 23:42 [fh] MTF (mtf) (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 gauntlets of power", on T:22724 23:43 ahh I should of put blessed greased 23:43 thanks mtf 23:45 [fh] MTF (mtf) (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 helm of telepathy", on T:22730 23:46 loli, are you getting those messages as a haxor? 23:46 nope :( 23:46 MTF wrested a 0:x wand 23:46 oops 23:46 (first try) 23:46 well 0:0 23:46 looks like you got one while attacking 23:47 nah it looks normal 23:47 You give the spore lichen a good flogging. 23:47 yeah, that isn't the same 23:47 don't worry then, you'll find a loudspeaker soon enough that will give you those messages 23:48 was that what causes the game to constantly spam my every move 23:48 it got insane 23:48 every time i hit # 23:48 a message would appear, every time I moved a message would appear 23:48 made it impossible to id enemies 23:48 or even rearrange items 23:48 I had to get lucky and have zero messages and write down the letters avialble 23:50 fuck 23:50 wait that's fine 23:52 you're a lunatic, meaning you're a lycanthrope by default 23:52 I almost forgot 23:52 I got used to playing camper striker 23:53 what a lucky time to transform 23:54 I guess someone will have to remind you what happens when you kick down doors 23:54 ... he should understand I have no hands 23:55 !tell LarienTelrunya that shopkeeper should have understood that loli the lunatic had no hands 23:55 Will do, bug_sniper! 23:56 I got used to panic door spamming 00:08 :( 00:08 I just tried to give her food 00:08 thought we could be lesbians together 00:21 FIQhack updated (again) 00:21 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-08-07 23:20 EDT: pushed a bug fix 00:31 !tell LarienTelrunya can you make players who get hallucination occasionally see a bluescreen for one turn? 00:31 Will do, bug_sniper! 00:31 that hallucination lasted sooo long 00:34 boots of speed, sick 00:35 EPI: magic mushrooms, which give you hallucination, and may give you bad trips in which fake demogorgons and elder priests appear 00:35 yeah, boots of speed are very nice in all nethacks 00:35 I wonder if they stack with a speed spell 00:36 [fh] ASCII (Tomthetom) (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 39777 points, T:5259, killed by a steam vortex 00:36 !tell LarienTelrunya please tell loli whether speed boots and the speed spell stack 00:36 Will do, bug_sniper! 00:36 you don't have to ask 00:36 I could just figure out myself 00:37 and now she'll tell you anyways 00:39 huh didn't know there was a spirituality skill 00:40 and now you do 00:40 but you still don't know what it does 00:40 we'll see 00:40 darts of disintegration 00:41 those make it so that you're killed by a died 00:42 no really, someone got a tombstone showing that cause of death when he/she got disintegrated 00:45 okay time to bag a cute girl 00:46 she is being silly 00:49 I'm sure you'll find lots of artifacts, being a haxor 00:49 "What do you want to read? [nopE or ?*]" 00:49 oh I'm a haxor 00:49 you're right 00:49 lol 00:49 and lots of items of every type you don't need 00:49 ooo, what a rude Q for a barbarian 00:50 what did you find grasshopper? 00:51 loli, if you find a pickaxe and break those statues, you might find some spellbooks 00:51 really? 00:51 that's a thing? 00:51 yep 00:51 bug_sniper just reading some spellbooks for fun 00:51 I have enough items... I really need a bag 00:52 a box or chest will also do, loli, since you can carry a lot in slex 00:52 sleep/healing 00:52 light/jumping 00:52 all low level/easy for barbie ot cast 00:52 kek 00:52 to 00:53 loli, you can tame the dog too 00:53 Couldn't load "makemase.lev" - making a maze 00:53 I don't want a dog 00:53 too much effort to keep 2 pets around 00:53 if they aren't human 00:53 not in slex if you have good petkeeping skills 00:53 you won't find anything in statues on lv3 or above 00:53 fine 00:53 okay 00:53 but Oracle level is good 00:53 that, and pets don't go untame so soon 00:54 (lower oracle level ==> higher chance of spellbooks in statues) 00:54 lower as in deeper in the dungeon 00:54 yep 00:54 damn 00:54 picked up a trainer 00:55 , trick is nice 00:55 nice, you found an alter 00:55 so I don't have to abcdefghijk 00:55 you should also know how to use the D key 00:56 I wish the spelling of altar was altered to become alter 00:56 it might be in one of the classes 00:57 loli, do you know how to engrave-test wands? 00:57 I think so 00:57 just engrave and it identfies for me 00:57 don't do it on an altar 00:57 okay 00:57 alter your location from being on an altar 00:57 and you should engrave where you've already engraved 00:57 -!- Tarmunora-m has joined #hardfought 00:58 gods get pissed when you write graffiti on their stuff 00:58 and if the engraving disappears, you should absolutely not zap yourself with the wand 00:58 because it could of killed the engraving? 00:58 until you know it's not cancellation or vanishing 00:58 whoops 00:58 I fucked up 00:58 written out of existence 00:59 I'll do it when I'm not a dog 00:59 it's a dog's life 00:59 a hard dog life 00:59 woof! 00:59 oh I'm human 01:00 oh shit, I thought you were an alien 01:00 I'm a haxor 01:00 sorry, I'm getting silly 01:00 I should of chosen alien, u right 01:01 with those big eyes, they must have infravision? 01:01 I wonder where my pets are... 01:01 super high INT/WIS, but puny strength 01:02 loli, should I add that to the nethack quote database? "I'll do it when I'm not a dog" 01:02 why not 01:03 I'll do it when I'm not a lazy person 01:03 there we go, annoying pets taken care of 01:04 fun room! 01:04 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9] 01:05 loli, how many artifacts did you find so far? 01:05 not many? 01:06 there are many fake artifacts in slex 01:06 and what cloak am I wearing I should get rid of it 01:06 well here is one? 01:06 let me check 01:07 loli, why don't you use the inventory command to find out 01:08 ot much then 01:08 not* 01:08 fuck 01:08 iron ball 01:09 you know what to do with them, find a boulder and crush it in a pit 01:09 this cloak is probably one 01:09 whatever itchy means 01:09 you'll find both of those in sokoban 01:10 itchy, might a poisonous cloak that you're resisting the poison in 01:10 oh 01:10 did it say "This cloak feels a little itchy."? 01:11 yes 01:11 might be a poisonous cloak then 01:11 another fun room 01:16 I think I see sokob 01:16 damn 01:17 yeah, that's sokoban 01:18 I will do it on the next one 01:18 now you just have to find a way to put your ball into a pit and get a boulder onto it while it's still in that pit 01:18 go into the pit myself drop it 01:18 wait that doesn't solve smashing 01:20 vote now@! 01:20 going to grab a drink 1 moment~ 01:20 maybe you can carry the boulder into a pit and then around a corner, take care of it 01:20 don't have the space 01:20 Vote now for more fleecy-colored traps in SLEX! 01:20 that one boulder I messed up on really fucked up that plan 01:20 loli got that message 01:21 I'm guessing the ball slows my movements down 01:21 it slows down some of them if you're dragging it 01:23 victorian underwear gives magic cancellation but negative ac 01:23 well worth it 01:23 nice, you have the spell of remove curse 01:23 now you can try on all sorts of wierd stuff the game is going to give you 01:23 time to figure out where the stairs is manually 01:24 (> bull-whip (1+ steel-whip)) -> t? 01:25 by the way, your armored cloak is an artifact that does nothing 01:25 no it makes me levitate 01:25 except what an armored cloak does 01:26 maybe you can name all armored cloaks cloaks of levitation then 01:26 time to buy a great figure 01:26 ooh, a plastic figuring of AmyBSOD 01:27 now this is starting to remind me of my camperstrike run 01:27 just needs a lot more spam 01:27 why are you forgetting your map? 01:27 I'm guessing a trap 01:28 loli, do you know that you can kick sinks to get a ring? 01:28 isn't that dangersous? 01:28 and a succubus and a black mold 01:28 if you know how to fight a black mold it isn't dangerous 01:29 time to get my pets to come with 01:29 you need something made of wood, and at least 12 speed 01:30 or spells and that much speed 01:30 attack spells 01:30 loli, the nymph 01:30 can steal your ball and chain 01:30 petfect 01:31 what should I do to force it? 01:31 move northeast 01:31 kay 01:31 well, at least now we know that was a trap 01:32 I have an idea 01:33 uh oh, watch out 01:33 so do I 01:33 can you wield your ball and attack an acidic jelly if you see one? 01:33 can't I disinigrate my ball? 01:34 not yet 01:35 !tell LarienTelrunya loli had the clever idea to throw a dart of disintegration at his/her heavy iron ball. Do you think you can make that a possibility? 01:35 Will do, bug_sniper! 01:35 magic markers are nice to have 01:35 I found a scroll of wishing 3 games ago 01:36 I want to make more of them! 01:36 you can't with them 01:36 :( 01:36 can I wish for more wishes? 01:36 you can make genocide and enchant weapon and enchant armor scrolls 01:36 ############### 01:36 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:36 What do you want to adjust? [#######################a-zA-Z or ?*] 01:36 hi LarienTelrunya 01:37 hello 01:37 Hello loli, Welcome to #hardfought 01:37 yo guys! what's up? 01:37 LarienTelrunya: Message from aosdict at 2017-08-07 12:46 EDT: I think it would be fine for your comments to go on the talk page; things that would make it especially readable are if the section headings on the talk page correspond to the real sections (already like that), and if everything's signed so I know where it came from 01:37 LarienTelrunya: Message from bug_sniper at 2017-08-07 23:09 EDT: did you implement a trap that lies about your ac? 01:37 LarienTelrunya: Message from bug_sniper at 2017-08-07 23:55 EDT: that shopkeeper should have understood that loli the lunatic had no hands 01:37 LarienTelrunya: Message from bug_sniper at 2017-08-08 00:31 EDT: can you make players who get hallucination occasionally see a bluescreen for one turn? 01:37 LarienTelrunya: Message from bug_sniper at 2017-08-08 00:36 EDT: please tell loli whether speed boots and the speed spell stack 01:37 LarienTelrunya: Message from bug_sniper at 2017-08-08 01:35 EDT: loli had the clever idea to throw a dart of disintegration at his/her heavy iron ball. Do you think you can make that a possibility? 01:37 no loli, yoy can't wish for more wishes 01:38 they thought of that, thopse clever devs 01:38 bug_sniper: traps that lie about AC do not exist; if the AC displayed is suddenly worse then your AC is really worse 01:39 loli: speed boots and the speed spell don't stack, they both set your speed to "very fast", and if you have at least one source of very fast speed active then you're very fast (obviously) 01:40 darts of disintegration unfortunately cannot disintegrate items, and actually they can't disintegrate monsters either because I'm lazy :P, they just deal extra damage; the only thing they can disintegrate is the player 01:41 with that knowledge out of the way, now i know that disposing of them is the best thing you can do 01:42 well they deal much more damage than regular darts; might still want to use them against monsters that cannot throw them back, or if you yourself are disintegration resistant then it's safe 01:44 that leave just one thing not discussed, the hallucination nightmares such as the sight of a bluescreen 01:45 would be very difficult to implement, I'm afraid 01:46 I imagine it would be like the kurwa effect, but covering the whole screen and lasting only 1 turn 01:51 what 01:51 I died 01:51 wtf??? 01:51 huh 01:51 why do you always die if I blink for one moment? 01:51 !players 01:51 K2: dolores [slex] Grasshopper [nd] 01:51 now I once again didn't see what killed you... 01:51 petrified somehow 01:51 really? 01:52 [slex] dolores (Lun Hax Fem Cha), 69429 points, T:7276, killed by petrification 01:52 !lastsave 01:52 well... 01:52 that's some shit 01:52 !commands 01:52 K2: available commands are !help !ping !time !pom !hello !booze !beer !potion !tea !coffee !whiskey !vodka !rum !tequila !scotch !goat !lotg !d(1-1000) !(1-50)d(1-1000) !8ball !rng !role !race !variant !tell !source !lastgame !lastasc !streak !rcedit !scores !sb !setmintc !whereis !players !who !commands 01:52 !lastlife 01:52 !lastgame 01:52 loli: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dolores/slex/dumplog/1502163694.slex.txt 01:53 "Your limbs are stiffening" 01:53 ahh 01:53 I didn't even notice 01:53 there was so much there 01:53 "The hobgoblin throws an egg!" 01:54 you had one turn left to notice 01:54 -!- Jonathanhanes_ has joined #hardfought 01:54 did I? 01:54 but you used it attacking a hobgoblin 01:54 in slex, petrification takes 7 turns to complete 01:55 you need to keep a lizard corpse in your inventory and eat it when you're turning to stone 01:55 that or read a scroll of curing, but that is more valuable 01:55 I could of just prayed 01:55 praying would of fixed me up 01:55 before I go god 01:55 no it wouldn't 01:55 why not? 01:55 it usually saves me from that 01:55 oh 01:56 I see why not 01:56 now* 01:56 " You could not have safely prayed (0)" 01:56 -!- Jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:00 loli, don't worry about losing a handy shield of reflection. It wouldn't have worked in that game anyways 02:00 what a shame! 02:00 loli, did you get to leave an epitaph? 02:01 and a bones file 02:01 I don't think so? 02:02 K2: the newest irc log at https://www.hardfought.org/irclog/%23hardfought-2017-08-07-10:24.log gives a 403 Forbidden :( 02:03 "You don't have permission to access /irclog/#hardfought-2017-08-07-10:24.log on this server." 02:03 LarienTelrunya: the please contact me is just camperstriker being camperstirker, right? 02:03 https://puu.sh/x4qNH/72fd5b544c.png 02:03 it spammed me this 3 times under attacking as some creature 02:03 ok 02:03 I thought it was just the role fucking with me 02:03 loli: "Program in disorder" is an actual error message 02:03 oh is it? 02:03 you were apparently polymorphed into something with bugged attacks 02:03 did you, by any chance, eat an ugh memory to create inventory window? 02:03 yup~ 02:03 they are useful 02:03 it removes items for me 02:04 that polymorphs you into a missingno, which can sometimes have undefined attacks that spam error messages 02:04 ahh 02:04 thanks 02:04 good now 02:04 the messages itself are harmless, but annoying if they appear constantly 02:05 K2: yeah it works now, thanks! :) 02:06 -!- Jonathanhanes_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:14 loli: do you want to take the fleecy camperstriker challenge while I watch? *creepy stalker mode* :D 02:14 of course!... I mean yes 02:15 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 02:15 https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/698plb/take_the_fleecy_slex_challenge/ 02:15 oh 02:15 OPTIONS=role:Cam,race=Amn,hybridironman,hybridxrace,gender:Mal,align:Cha 02:15 that makes it easy 02:16 ahh I was playing an ironman earlier 02:16 idk what it does 02:16 by the way, bug_sniper completed the challenge :) 02:16 well you'll see what ironman does once you get to dlvl2! 02:17 well I already have my drink next to me 02:17 and yeah you are right that I should update the wiki 02:17 so 3 is done 02:17 I don't have to do anything special 02:17 just play right 02:17 oh 02:17 ... 02:17 yeah, get to the oracle and you "win", and may attempt the next level of the challenge :) 02:17 amnemic 02:17 oh that's easy~ 02:17 I've played this class a lot 02:17 yep, you have map amnesia, permanent, and uncurable, better remember where everything was! 02:18 your "grab a drink" 02:18 thing is misleading, my memory would get worse 02:18 hopefully my memory is okay while hyper 02:19 by the way, I played my local CamAmnMalCha+XJ yesterday, currently on dlvl14, expert in all important weapons, got reflection, MR and everything, I might even live to see the quest :D 02:19 well have to retry :( 02:20 rip 02:20 I even tried to be safe 02:20 but he blocked my escape 02:20 should of just tele spammed 02:20 [slex] dolores (Cam Amn Mal Cha), 33 points, T:194, killed by an orcish spear 02:20 this run should go better! 02:20 the dagger is a complete crap weapon, your best bet early on is probably kicking until you can get the dagger uncursed or rusted off 02:20 really? 02:20 kicking is better? 02:20 yeah 02:21 the dagger only does 1-2 or so damage, and due to the negative enchantment it often misses 02:21 on my best run I had -11 arrows as my weapon 02:21 as a camperstirker 02:21 did you wield them?! 02:21 I think it was my best run 02:21 by accident 02:21 I was trying to test scrolls 02:21 so I put away my op weapon 02:21 ended up fighting for a long time with that 02:21 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:21 for camperstrikers, items are cursed more often and also have a higher chance of being heavily cursed 02:22 that's part of the fun of the class~ 02:22 only total weirdos should/would play them 02:22 yeah, it wouldn't be a challenge if it were easy! 02:22 FFF 02:22 falling loadstone trap :O 02:23 okay 02:23 life is better 02:23 make sure you don't die, because the vampire is semi-permanent until you run out of HP and is actually quite a good form for fighting 02:23 if you do run out, you'll turn back into a camperstriker 02:23 rip dreams of being a trap vampire qt 02:23 okay 02:24 why are they called "trap"? this is the second time I've heard of that term 02:24 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 02:24 it's a catch all term for girly looking boys it can imply a m->f trans girl or it could be a guy in drag 02:24 makes language easy 02:25 now let's see why this is called ironman 02:25 good luck! 02:26 well.... 02:27 as a vampire, you can only eat fresh corpses; it takes 1-5 turns for them to become too old to eat (nope, there's no zero missing behind the numbers) 02:28 we can't phasedoor spam in this form, can we? 02:28 should still be possible 02:28 nope 02:28 RNG shenanigans :P 02:28 or that 02:28 there's a 1 in 4 chance that it's put on timeout 02:28 fuck me 02:29 so did you yet realize what ironman means? 02:29 kinda 02:29 you're really fucked all the time? 02:29 it means that every room is a special room 02:29 oh 02:29 that actually makes sense 02:29 Well then 02:29 Sounds nasty 02:29 by the way, I've ascended an ironman binder with wishless conduct once 02:29 ... 02:30 ironman produces so much loot if you are actually capable of surviving the onslaught of monsters, that you don't really need wishes :D 02:30 and I just polypiled for the stuff I didn't find 02:30 gotcha 02:30 it's not safe here anymore 02:30 kill the lichen first! 02:30 as long as it's holding you, you cannot attack anything else 02:31 what creature is holding me? 02:31 venom colony lichen 02:32 that would be a better fate than this! 02:33 in vampire form, melee attacks are not so bad since you can drain life 02:33 it seems I'm doomed 02:33 what floor is that event? 02:34 which event?! 02:34 [slex] dolores (Cam Amn Mal Cha), 645 points, T:381, killed by a monster (umber hulk) 02:34 the oracle 02:34 7-9 02:34 and the oracle room itself is also a special room :D 02:34 yay! 02:35 I'm almost afraid to ask, but how many different challenges do you have? 02:36 two so far, the other one being the kurwa challenge, and one day a feminist challenge is supposed to appear, but I have to actually code the feminist role first 02:36 cheese is nice 02:36 and I see 02:36 kurwa challenge description is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/6gycoq/the_nethack_challenge_that_will_push_even/ 02:36 however, a few players have gotten PTSD from attempting it 02:36 the fleecy colors of doom 02:37 wait 02:37 I've played that class I think 02:37 I can do the first part... probably 02:37 maybe not sokobon I'm still too weak in my current form 02:38 should of checked his dps 02:38 [slex] dolores (Cam Amn Mal Cha), 83 points, T:223, killed by a monster (little giant) 02:39 you're right kicking does seem faster 02:40 it's not a cure-all though 02:40 what, you don't want a unicorn horn? 02:40 what is it used for? 02:40 you can apply it to cure status afflictions, and it's also usable as a two-handed weapon 02:41 oh 02:41 okay then 02:41 time for iron mode 02:44 [nd] Grasshopper (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:58049 02:44 Monsters with the "avoider" flag will never line themselves up with you unless they have no other choice. 02:44 is that what that yellow background menas 02:44 I just thought they were special in stats 02:44 the yellow background means that a monster has an egotype, in this case the avoider egotype 02:44 "grid bug Avoider" - the last part is the egotype 02:45 the annoying guy came 02:45 that's what she said! 02:46 haha! 02:46 tricked 02:46 @le?giant grasshopper 02:46 giant grasshopper (a) | Lvl: 1 | Diff: 2 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 5 | Generates: special | AC: 3 | Attacks: 1d3 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, flies, oviparous 02:47 yay, monster information :) 02:47 :( 02:47 Do you want your possessions identified? 02:48 and it wasn't even an ironman level, since that special level (probably) had no actual rooms 02:48 [slex] dolores (Cam Amn Mal Cha), 482 points, T:924, killed by a monster (jellyfish) 02:48 am I even human? 02:48 also why do you not have a pet?! 02:48 or am I no longer human 02:48 idk 02:48 I haven't gotten pets in a while 02:48 yeah you count as human, so eating other humans is cannibalism 02:48 even as a mouhou shoujo 02:48 !slexrc dolores 02:48 oh, I guess that does not work 02:48 hmmm 02:49 is there a line to remove pets 02:49 pets would make this easier 02:49 to at least curse check 02:49 well you have the nopet option on, for reasons unknown to me 02:49 let me look at my local config 02:49 in your rcfile 02:49 yes 02:49 I have nopet 02:50 kay 02:50 it will not magically make the pet appear in your current game, but if you remove it, new games will start with a pet 02:50 hmm did my terminal freeze 02:50 I was going to go ballz to the wall and suicide 02:50 there I am 02:51 oh, I should have mentioned that kicking will wake up all the special rooms 02:51 does it? 02:51 I like kicking gentlemen though... 02:51 yeah, kicking is noisy, even if you kick the air for some reason 02:52 it seems my aimbot didn't make my boots aim for their groins all the time 02:52 but it produces erotic air current noises! :D (picture the facial expression of my roommate when she found out that I consider air current noises to be sexually arousing) 02:52 what a shame 02:52 hehehehe 02:52 aww, rip 02:52 at least now you can start with a dog! 02:52 LarienTelrunya: teach me how to kick men okay 02:52 yay! 02:52 [slex] dolores (Cam Amn Mal Cha), 134 points, T:104, killed by a monster (hobbit) 02:53 well, certain types of boots in slex are more effective when kicking, maybe you'll find such a pair! 02:53 wanna name the dog? shift-c 02:53 oh 02:53 it's auto named 02:53 i'll name it amy for good (bad) luck 02:53 you can also name other monsters, but monsters that are already named can only be renamed if they're tame 02:55 the "ant Flyer" is also an egotype monster: an ant that has the flyer egotype, which (obviously) allows it to fly 02:55 an ant with wings! :D 02:56 hehe, of course it is 02:56 I bet it had a better chance than me of meeting the oracle 02:58 close the door and kick it out of the way to get past that boulder! 02:58 thanks 02:59 :D 02:59 what 02:59 just happened 02:59 depending on which special rooms get generated, dlvl2 can be ultra hard or relatively easy 03:00 my game just kicked me out 03:00 lol 03:00 okay we're back 03:00 time to make the game crash again! 03:00 wtf, you mean it segfaulted?! 03:00 yes 03:00 K2: can you see if there's a core dump that can be analyzed? 03:00 Q_Q no gdb 03:00 it should have the call trace 03:00 at least it did 03:00 journalctl is rather nice like that 03:01 I kicked by accident 03:01 couldn't help but to make erotic noises! 03:01 I see what you mean 03:01 by everything waking up 03:02 this has to be the worst special room 03:02 indeed! 03:02 well, an early migohive will completely fuck you up, but terror halls are very nasty too 03:03 2 of them! 03:03 the horro! 03:03 oh :O 03:03 already lost my spamm 03:04 so note to self, don't think about doing anything perverted next time 03:04 [slex] dolores (Cam Amn Mal Cha), 245 points, T:697, killed by a monster (lesser umber hulk) 03:04 Go Team U! 03:05 you just want to see fear stirken into me Q_Q 03:05 also, I know this is going to sound very conceited, but I've attempted the challenge twice so far and completed it (reached the oracle) both times. The second attempt is still alive, completed Sokoban, and as I said earlier, is currently hanging around on dlvl14. 03:06 haha it's fine, I shall get good enough to crush your dlvl14~ 03:06 ... some day 03:08 it can be a not-as-bad-as-usual idea to read unknown scrolls early on, you might luck into destroy armor and get rid of the crappy cursed thing 03:08 I was just going to wait for the dog 03:08 but he's off who knows where 03:11 I ♥ loudspeakers :) 03:11 they really are amusing 03:12 where did my dog go 03:12 he was supposed to take 03:12 tank* 03:12 [slex] dolores (Cam Amn Mal Cha), 157 points, T:453, killed by a monster (queen bee) 03:12 well, a level 2 dog (or level 2 camperstriker, for that matter) has no chance of defeating a queen bee 03:12 @le?queen bee 03:12 queen bee (a) | Lvl: 9 | Diff: 14 | Spd: 24 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: -4 | Attacks: 1d8 sting drain str | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, flies, oviparous, poisonous, nopoly 03:12 AC:-4 03:12 ded 03:13 the killer bees are already dangerous enough, but a queen bee on dlvl2 usually cannot be handled at all 03:13 except maybe if you spam Elbereth :D 03:14 yay! impossible to find boots 03:14 of -2 03:14 can they be taken off? 03:14 I think I won that one 03:14 ope 03:14 I think they are a net 0 ac? 03:14 maybe even -1 03:14 so I just got some free cute shoes 03:14 because now your AC is 11, and you usually start with 10 03:14 even as a camper striker? 03:15 yeah 03:15 they are probably impossible to find because no one wants that 03:15 oh you found a spellbook! camperstrikers can learn every spell school, and should probably do so :) 03:16 flame sphere spammage might just get you through dungeon level 2, too, but their explosions will wake up monsters 03:16 the boots are probably fumbling 03:16 rip :( 03:17 yet another reason why those boots are impossible to find 03:17 [slex] dolores (Cam Amn Mal Cha), 58 points, T:249, killed by a monster (mean-looking mercenary), while fumbling 03:18 I hope I get a level with all grus 03:18 they are okay to deal wtih 03:18 idk if they ever all deplete, but they are nice 03:18 really? their breaths are annoying 03:18 better than U's 03:18 Team U must go 03:18 fungus farms are usually nice, since most of the monsters won't aggressively chase after you 03:19 are we playing cataclysm dark days ahead now 03:19 do I have to keep my characters comfort high 03:19 haha :D 03:20 oh btw, everything becomes much easier once you get rid of the cursed dagger and replace it with a real weapon; one way of doing so is to dip it into a fountain repeatedly, although that can summon nymphs and water demons 03:20 I wonder if this type of protection will get me to the fountain 03:20 nymphs can be nice 03:20 hahaha, it will protect you if the nymph decides to have sex with you :) 03:20 I hope I do find that fountain than! 03:20 Voulez-vous coucher avec moi? 03:21 ?? 03:21 french for "do you want to sleep with me tonight" 03:21 aaaaaa 03:21 "∩╜ü∩╜ü∩πüéπüéπüéπüéπüéπüéπüéπüéπüéπüéπüéπüéπüéπüéπüéπüéπüéπüéπüéπüéπüéπüé"?! 03:22 rofl 03:22 that should shut 'em up 03:22 hahaha, that sounds like an EPI 03:22 EPI? 03:22 hi K2! are core dumps being generated? 03:23 slex crashed inexplicably for loli, I'd like to analyze the backtrace 03:23 are we friendly to the angels? 03:23 loli: monsters in special rooms are always generated hostile, and Coures in particular will fuck you up 03:23 ahhhhhhhhhh 03:23 aaaaaaaaaa 03:23 they are ultra fast and *very* difficult to hit with that AC 03:24 how many times? 03:24 once 03:24 it happened about 24 minutes ago 03:24 upon autorecovery, it didn't crash again 03:25 this is everything in the paniclog: 03:25 2.0.1 20170807: impossible strange attack of yours (231) 03:25 2.0.1 20170807: impossible rnd(-2) attempted - returning 1 03:25 2.0.1 20170807: panic monsndx - could not index monster (15849) 03:25 2.0.1 20170807: impossible strange attack of yours (128) 03:25 2.0.1 20170807: impossible strange attack of yours (136) 03:25 2.0.1 20170807: impossible strange attack of yours (128) 03:25 2.0.1 20170807: impossible strange attack of yours (136) 03:25 2.0.1 20170807: impossible strange attack of yours (128) 03:25 2.0.1 20170807: impossible strange attack of yours (136) 03:25 2.0.1 20170807: impossible strange attack of yours (128) 03:25 2.0.1 20170807: impossible strange attack of yours (136) 03:25 2.0.1 20170808: impossible The lesser umber hulk casting non-hand-to-hand version of hand-to-hand spell 253? 03:26 yeah, it wasn't a panic though but a segfault; the server runs on unix, right? does it generate core dumps of segfaults? 03:26 no 03:26 aww :( 03:26 :( 03:26 LarienTelrunya: what happens if I eat myself? 03:26 how do you analyze segfaults in dnethack, grunthack etc. then? 03:26 loli: probably tainted and definitely cannibalism 03:26 that is one thing i havent learned to do 03:27 K2: argh! 03:27 what we generally do is take the last saved game and run it on test server 03:27 Elronnd figured out a way to analyze core dumps of segfaulted games on esm directly, maybe he can tell you how and then it can be done on hdf too! 03:28 loli: hmm it apparently takes long for you to die of starvation 03:28 yeah that would be great 03:28 can I really not beat a ghost 03:29 wew 03:29 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:29 hey... progress for once! 03:30 you *need* to get rid of that cursed weapon or you won't stand a chance against the stronger monsters, because kicking also doesn't do all that much damage and will only get you so far 03:30 I don't want to kick because noise is bad 03:30 K2: gdb /path/to/slex /path/to/slex.core 03:30 bt 03:31 yeah we've used gdb before 03:31 been awhile 03:32 auto pickup wasn't on... 03:32 if i remember correctly, we ran a copy of the saved game before the segfault occured with gdb 03:32 [slex] dolores (Cam Amn Mal Cha), 632 points, T:499, killed by a monster (invisible Ms. Pernik, the shopkeeper) 03:33 Go Team Invisible Shopkeeper! 03:33 he was a jerk! 03:33 what does x-race do? 03:33 x-race changes some of the RNG calculations, including a more random prayer timeout 03:33 timeout? 03:33 even the animals fart! 03:35 [slex] dolores (Cam Amn Mal Cha), 7 points, T:141, killed by a monster (material shadow) 03:35 by the way loli, if you're wondering how I beat the challenge, if you have a lot of time you can read about my adventures here: https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?723346-(Let-s-Play!)-Slash-EM-Extended-a-NetHack-fork&p=21099331#post21099331 (warning: very long) 03:36 I can probably learn a lot by reading this 03:37 I also can learn quickly if I watch someone play, it's easy to adapt another person's style 03:37 the thread is already 350 or so posts long, and the very beginnings are an age-old version of slex, I think 0.2.0 or something, so the thread also doubles as a way to check slex's history! 03:37 huh 03:38 ohh 03:38 weechat is bad and didn't copy the full link 03:38 there we go, that's better 03:38 this is a rather new challenge I see 03:42 passwall! 03:43 my lunatic on the server has that spell and can actually cast it reliably! 03:43 I saw! 03:43 walking through walls is so useful :) 03:43 i should stop kicking reflexively 03:43 but at least it got you some level ups! 03:44 caaaaaaaareful with the swamps 03:44 I thought it would of been a free room 03:44 @le?piranha 03:44 piranha (;) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 4 | Attacks: 2d6 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, swims, amphibious, oviparous, vegetarian 03:44 they are normally a lot easier to kill 03:44 do enemies get a health buff with camperstriker? 03:44 heh, nope, but you only deal 1-2 damage with the cursed dagger 03:45 well bosses get a health buff, but the piranha obviously is not a boss 03:45 the wiki kinda liles then :( 03:45 or I'm bad at reading 03:45 the wiki only says "Camperstrikers are a harder-than-hard version of the Spacewars Fighter, starting with heavily cursed equipment and also more likely to encounter nasty traps. Their quest is extremely nasty, too." 03:45 1 second 03:46 oh, the actual camperstriker page says this: "Camperstrikers start with heavily cursed equipment, but they can learn melee weapon skills and all spellcasting skills. They have several quirks that make them a harder than hard role; the Convict is a really easy role by comparison." 03:46 ohh 03:46 I misread this line 03:46 "Unique monsters all have at least 2x their usual amount of HP, sometimes even more, making them much harder to kill." 03:47 werebee 03:47 yes 03:47 or dead 03:47 I did at least become a bee in my wake 03:47 you were lucky? really? :D 03:48 wasn't this luck 03:48 no U's 03:48 [slex] dolores (Cam Amn Mal Cha), 528 points, T:592, killed by a monster (hunter bee) 03:48 Go Team a! 03:49 okay can I cheese to level 7-9 with this 03:49 -!- Tarmunora-m has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:49 yeah, if it has enough charges then that would be a way to complete the challenge :) 03:49 just watch me get to the fountain and die 03:49 because I didn't have protection 03:49 that happened to spawn on dlvl1 03:50 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 03:51 [slex] dolores (Cam Amn Mal Cha), 25 points, T:97, killed by a monster (wu) 03:51 the wu has many weapon attacks, so if he does spawn with a weapon he can be surprisingly dangerous 03:52 Oops! 03:52 I should watch where I'm going 03:52 [slex] dolores (Cam Amn Mal Cha), 4 points, T:120, killed by a monster (wu) 03:52 worst score yet! 03:52 well there was nothing you could have done, he appeared behind that corner and instagibbed you 03:53 LOL 03:53 hey 03:53 Hello loli, Welcome to #hardfought 03:53 is this an insta win? 03:53 yeah, you will definitely ascend this game! 03:53 T's are scary 03:53 1 out of 10 times, the first level in ironman mode is no grace period and has the full suite of special rooms :D 03:53 where is the throne!??! 03:54 you should phase door immediately, unless you want to not pass go and not collect 200 zorkmids 03:54 can you call off your pets? 03:54 they do not amuse me! 03:54 Do you want your possessions identified? 03:54 also what do you mean with "call off"? you can use the nopet option if you somehow find the pet annoying 03:55 you had trolls as pets on the character I watched you play 03:55 the troll backstabbed me 03:55 [slex] dolores (Cam Amn Mal Cha), 0 points, T:17, killed by life drainage 03:55 heh, but in the end it was the cockatrice that killed you :D 03:56 I think that was even more humiliating, I can't even blame you for my folly 03:56 plasma attacks are no fun 03:58 is that a fountain? 03:58 aww, well not anymore 03:59 if you can find another, dip again and hope you can rust the dagger away completely 03:59 and that ^ is...? 03:59 if it's a rust trap, trigger it repeatedly to remove the dagger :D 03:59 ayyy 04:00 time for punching 04:00 great! now find a better weapon :) 04:01 the game even helpfully spawned a fungus farm! 04:03 don't melee monsters with passive poison attacks! 04:04 ayy 04:04 it's free 04:04 this is it, no? 04:05 7-9 IIRC 04:05 shiiit 04:05 also, you need to actually make it to the oracle for the challenge to be complete :D 04:05 oh... 04:05 I need a ring of cause chaos 04:05 yeah, conflict is really useful in ironman mode 04:06 should I even random it? 04:06 will you be bold and wield-test the spears? ;) 04:06 what 04:06 okay 04:06 I'd use one of them for melee and the other two for throwing 04:07 how do I break the stack? 04:07 #name them, then drop two and #name the remaining one something else 04:07 and pick the dropped ones back up 04:07 ac 3 04:07 I can do it 04:07 can also #force for a guaranteed hit 04:08 which will take the +5 into account 04:08 yes, name an individual object 04:08 oh damn, they cannot be renamed... well then that will not work :( 04:08 this room is quite special! 04:09 the black blended in too well 04:10 fuck 04:10 should of just listened to you 04:10 and not tried my luck 04:10 gah, it was going so well too! 04:10 thought with the +5 04:10 well, meleeing things that have passive attacks can get you killed fast 04:10 this is the slowest way to train my database isn't it? 04:11 [slex] dolores (Cam Amn Mal Cha), 1007 points, T:651, killed by a monster (black spore) 04:11 ok so 04:11 if i've set this correctly 04:11 I guess if you play enough games, you'll eventually figure out which monsters are dangerous ;) 04:12 any variant that segfaults should produce core dump file 04:12 great! 04:12 K2: I can test it if you like :) 04:12 sure 04:12 LarienTelrunya: when I play this game, you seem like the dm 04:12 too cruel 04:12 there is a way to segfault slex, which I like to use for crash testing 04:13 i.e. test whether the game properly behaves in the event of a crash, and can be recovered correctly 04:14 ahh I see what you mean by passive now 04:14 yeah, passive means that the attack hits you whenever you melee the monster, but not if you use ranged attacks (even at point blank range, throwing stuff will not hurt you) 04:15 K2: okay, segfaulted, there should be a core dump now :) 04:15 ok 04:16 wrong button 04:16 mean to hit ; 04:16 rip :( 04:16 aww, and you had a manacloak... would have been useful 04:16 figured it was one of those 04:16 [slex] dolores (Cam Amn Mal Cha), 131 points, T:355, killed by a monster (piranha) 04:16 Go Team Semicolon! 04:17 I'm still rooting for team @ 04:17 the only true team 04:17 lol, I didn't even realize the mary sue was there 04:17 she was that generic 04:18 LarienTelrunya, your crashed game left files to recover 04:19 so technically it didnt segfault 04:19 no 04:19 it does that 04:19 it leaves behind 2 files, right? 04:19 well I just didn't autorecover yet 04:19 it attempts to reocover from there, but it def seg faults 04:19 err my bad, 04:19 yeah it did 04:20 read that incorrectly 04:20 * K2 is tired 04:20 LarienTelrunya: already a good start! 04:20 :) 04:21 gotta go to a meeting in a few minutes 04:21 have fun~ 04:22 ok found some core dumps 04:22 but not one from just recently 04:22 shit it's 4 am 04:23 0422 to be exact :P 04:23 where are you loli? 04:23 East cost 04:23 coast* 04:23 right 04:23 hehe you already have my IP 04:23 where 04:23 i didnt trace your ip and half the time its incorrect anyways 04:23 southern Eastern coast for the time being 04:24 though I'm going back to the north in a few weeks 04:24 coming home or going on vacation? 04:24 going back to school 04:24 aaahhh 04:25 huh 04:25 is this normal I wonder 04:25 https://puu.sh/x4CDt/6713340a06.png 04:25 argh... you got a panic, apparently 04:26 monsndx - could not index monster (-1) 04:26 can you copy my recover files so we can test if we can reproduce it 04:26 really? 04:26 I thought that error would no longer happen :O 04:26 LarienTelrunya: 04:26 K2: loli got a panic in slex, I hope it created a .e file 04:26 THIS ENTIRE FLOOR 04:26 LarienTelrunya: this was the perfect floor 04:26 2.0.1 20170808: panic monsndx - could not index monster (-1) 04:27 just now 04:27 panics must be recovered manually 04:27 and there are no files to recover for dolores 04:27 I can try to get to the same spot and get a reproduceable environment up 04:27 is there no .e file? 04:27 in the save folder? 04:27 1003dolores.e or something 04:27 K2: ^^ 04:28 never seen an .e file ever for any nethack variant 04:28 well can you please check whether there is one in the slex save folder now? 04:28 no 04:29 oops 04:29 normally panics always try to create a .e file... 04:29 ok so in the save folder, its either just their save without an extension, or a backup of it 04:29 do they? 04:29 or on hdf, its compressed, so .gz 04:30 i have never seen an .e file 04:30 ever 04:30 oh weird 04:30 there's one 04:30 lol wtf 04:30 perfect 04:31 yeah, it's the normal reaction of the game when panicking 04:31 .e is an emergency save 04:31 seriously... i need sleep 04:31 K2: can you back it up to some safe place so we can restore it later? otherwise, if loli gets another panic, it will be overridden ;) 04:31 but that only happens if the program thinks there's something worth trying/saving 04:31 its already backed up 04:31 ah, good! 04:31 thanks :) 04:31 it was a good run, worth saving! 04:32 [slex] dolores (Cam Amn Mal Cha), 129 points, T:378, killed by an icy touch 04:36 magic beam almost ruined a good run 04:39 is dnethack the only other variant with high heels? 04:41 loli this server is located northern east coast 04:41 so I'll be even closer 04:41 good luck focusing on school work ;) 04:41 and probably play less 04:42 I'll probably pop a few rounds inbetween work 04:42 should be simple 04:44 stuck on d1 :( 04:44 I'm taking forever 04:48 okay found it! 04:48 shiiiit 04:48 k2 04:48 K2 guess what happened 04:48 another good round 1 04:48 what 04:48 gone to waste 04:48 for shame! 04:49 seg fault 04:49 https://puu.sh/x4Dg3/a6c116448f.png 04:49 should of saved before going down 04:49 i can see your game 04:49 have you hit space yet 04:49 nope 04:50 so it hasnt saved anything yet 04:50 is there anything in my folder? 04:50 though 04:50 actually it would reset me at the start of the floor 04:50 last save is from 25 min ago 04:50 so we can't quickly preorduced 04:50 ye 04:50 there 04:50 it's generated 04:50 yup i see it 04:50 and there's the e save 04:51 LarienTelrunya: I'm putting this trial on pause for another day, as all my good attempts get ruined by a very mean seg fault 04:51 i'll provide that to LarienTelrunya 05:05 +8 longsword, jesus 05:09 loli: that's a panic though; was it the same game? 05:09 nope! 05:09 it was a game where I got a +1 sword 05:09 and was getting rather lucky 05:09 was level 5~ 05:09 well I meant, was it the one that K2 had already recovered from .e earlier? 05:09 nope 05:09 so there are 2 games recovered 05:10 again the "monsndx - could not index monster (-1)" error... 05:10 why does this occur? 05:10 LarienTelrunya you have the latest one 05:11 dunno, but apparently the game tries to create a monster that is not defined 05:11 and I know that the exact same error existed in a past version, but I thought I had fixed it 05:11 gotta get ready for shift change 05:11 see you all later 05:11 see you K2, and thanks for all the help! 05:11 anytime 05:11 see ya~ 05:12 LarienTelrunya: how did you get the -2 leather armor off? 05:12 loli: I'll have to find out where exactly it happens, apparently something allows such bugged monsters to spawn 05:12 well in the Let's Play thread I mentioned that a nymph stole it, but of course that requires a nymph to be there in the first place :) 05:12 oh I forgot already 05:12 my memory is starting to wane 05:13 sorry about the monsndx crash, unfortunately I can't fix it quickly but at least the error message gives me something to work with, hopefully I can find the cause 05:13 it's a shame this isn't a video, I can't see how you move and handle things 05:14 it's all fine 05:14 I don't mind too much 05:14 I just find it funny that they were both on a good run 05:15 and bags are indeed useful! 05:15 prevents stealers ehh? 05:15 I might make it so that the monsndx error is no longer a panic and the game just spawns some dummy monster instead, although the better way to fix it would of course be finding the root cause 05:16 well sometimes the bag itself gets stolen, but at least the stealing monster then cannot use the items inside of it 05:16 well we know that a special room generates this error much more likely than normal rooom spawns, no? 05:16 it happened on dlvl1 though, right? 05:16 no 05:17 both happened when I go down the stairs 05:17 I went* 05:17 oh! 05:17 so apparently it's indeed a level generation error? 05:17 I would assume so, yes 05:18 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I have a suspicion, though I might be wrong 05:18 how far ahead does creature generation happen? 05:18 maybe if the game wants to make a nurse hall and can't find a monster that "fits", it somehow decides to make a -1 monster 05:18 If the next floor is generated when you go down, then monsters must be after that 05:18 really? 05:18 monsters are generated the moment you enter the level 05:19 that does sound plausible 05:19 so it's certainly a monster not being spawned correctly 05:20 hmm, I wonder if rndmonst() can output -1 05:20 you can always use gdb as a pseudo REPL 05:20 actually, rndmonst()'s output is a pointer 05:20 ahh 05:21 so if it somehow outputs &mons[-1] then crash 05:22 well it does return &mons[mndx], I wonder if mndx can somehow become -1 05:23 what is mndx? 05:23 gotta wizmode it locally to see if it can be reproduced 05:23 mndx is the index number for the monster as seen in pm.h 05:23 I figured that, but I meant in the function 05:23 anyways, can you tell it to generate certain halls in wizard mode? 05:24 in theory yes, but not sure how 05:24 how vastly does the next level generation happen if you move 1 square? 05:24 if there is enough variance you can find the stairs and keep shifting over and reloading? 05:25 err, what? I can save before I take the stair, and reload to get a different level, if that's what you mean 05:25 yes 05:25 basically 05:25 I was just curious if moving a few steps would cause a large variation in the generator 05:25 that's all 05:26 I haven't looked into how it's computed 05:26 you see 05:26 slex's RNG is so good that you don't even need to do anything different the next time you load, in fact you can take the exact same steps as the previous char and get different results 05:26 really? 05:26 I see 05:26 I've tested this when trying to reproduce someone's crash 05:27 is nexthack like this in general 05:27 or is slex just special 05:27 it started with sitting on a throne, and I'd get different results every time I loaded 05:27 oh.... my cat just toppled my real life figurines brb 05:28 well at least regular slashem is like that too, but back in the day there was a legendary unnethack game that was ascended in something like 18 real-life minutes by using TAS tools due to a weak RNG 05:29 ahh, so some change in SLASHEM improved the RNG considerably 05:33 anyways I'm off for the night 05:33 oh and about that "trap that lies about your AC", it does not, it is in fact a trap of nakedness which makes your AC be 10 no matter what armor you wear :D 05:33 good night! 05:33 that's the same thing :< 05:33 and night 05:39 and I'm also off for now, gonna go eating 05:44 -!- Tarmunora-m has joined #hardfought 06:13 !tell LarienTelrunya you mentioned earlier you wish you had video so you could see what led up to loli's crashes. ttyrecs - https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dolores/slex/ttyrec/ 06:13 Will do, K2! 06:17 -!- tsadok has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:20 -!- tsadok has joined #hardfought 06:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v tsadok] by ChanServ 06:25 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13299 06:46 [dyn] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 7633 points, T:36779, choked on a tin of spinach 06:48 -!- Tarmunora-m has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:50 K2: the ttyrec suggests that it crashed upon generating a new dungeon level; I'll probably write a patch later today that will stop the crash. I'll tell you once it's ready, but we'll have to patch in that specific commit to avoid breaking saves :) 06:50 LarienTelrunya: Message from K2 at 2017-08-08 06:13 EDT: you mentioned earlier you wish you had video so you could see what led up to loli's crashes. ttyrecs - https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dolores/slex/ttyrec/ 07:40 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu) averted death, on T:18455 07:46 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 76975 points, T:19060, killed by an umber hulk 08:05 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 08:05 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:05 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 08:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 08:22 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:27 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:34 -!- Tarmunora-m has joined #hardfought 08:41 -!- Tomthetom has joined #hardfought 08:42 [fh] Tom (Tomthetom) (Val Hum Fem Law), 1950 points, T:68, quit 08:42 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 08:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 08:43 Hey Grasshopper 08:43 Watched your game last night 08:43 hey tom 08:43 Pretty nice 08:43 oh yeah? I remember nearly falling asleep so went to bed :D 08:43 Gehennom always does that to me 08:44 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:44 just plugging away at the maze a few levels at a time 08:45 Yea lol, taking breaks is good 08:45 Tomthetom how is your game/s going? 08:45 Im starting a new one 08:46 I died to a vortex last night D: 08:46 energy vortex? 08:46 Yea if I remember well 08:46 those suck more than the others 08:47 suck your Pw too 08:47 Everything went well, but I wasnt putting enough attention to the game and then... 08:47 ded 08:47 yeah, that's how it happens :-( 08:47 thats why i said taking breaks is good :D 08:48 But yea Im gonna start a new game now 08:49 I'm just glad I can connect to hardfought on this old XP machine 08:49 my Win 10 laptop has had a crisis since it upgraded itself to the "Creators Update" 08:49 apparently my problem is pretty common 08:50 Win 10 is such a bummer 08:50 anyway, i'm currently backing up all my data and then I'm going to re-install the OS 08:51 if I ever win or get gifted a windows laptop for some reason, I'm wiping it and installing linux 08:51 and if Win 10 isn't going to work then I'll put Linux on it 08:52 Just get linux man 08:52 the only real reason I persist with windows is that it is a better platform for games, and for arcade emulation in particular 08:52 which I am big on 08:53 which is why I keep old XP boxes lying around 08:54 The only non-nethack games I'm really considering getting at the moment are minecraft and terraria, and they both work fine on linux 08:54 I think this laptop will get a dual-boot (Win/Xubuntu) at the very least 08:55 Terraria is a lot of fun 08:56 yeah, I had minecraft on a previous laptop, but always gravitated more toward the exploration than building, and minecraft exploration gets repetitive after a while 08:57 according to people who play terraria, it's much more about exploration 08:57 hmm, nethack is also about exploration to some extent 08:57 I put Spelunky on my arcade cab recently. It is a lot of fun, especially if you like roguelikes but want toplay an arcade game for a change 08:58 (need windows to run the game) 08:58 Spelunky is too hard for me :/ 08:58 -!- Tarmunora-m has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:58 but it is free, at least the original low-res version is (which actually looks better on my arcade cab anyway) 08:59 I picked the HD version up as a freebie with some other game a while back 09:00 Spelunky is definintely hard 09:00 definitely 09:01 but easier with a joystick :D 09:08 did someone highlight me while I was asleep? 09:08 -!- bug_sniper has left #hardfought 09:09 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 09:20 whew 09:20 Almost got killed by killer bee :D 09:20 Hence the name I guess 09:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:22 [fh] Tomthetom (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 31690 points, T:2000, killed by an ape 09:23 Oh no 09:23 hi 09:23 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 09:25 Hey FIQ 09:27 [fh] One Short MOFO (Tomthetom) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 5974 points, T:226, killed by a water moccasin 09:59 [fh] Jackie Chan (Tomthetom) (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 31956 points, T:1330, killed by a soldier ant 09:59 rotten food :(