10:24 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 10:24 -!- weber.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ (public irc logs available on website) ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org ¤ Slash'EM Extended 2.0.1 is available for play 10:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 10:31 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a large cat, on T:23255 10:31 dammit 10:31 :/ 10:32 [dyn] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 982 points, T:1545, killed by Mr. Angmagssalik, the shopkeeper 10:37 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:23947 10:38 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:23950 10:41 bhaak: in what universe does iPhones cost $200? 10:41 more like $800+ 10:46 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 10:47 -!- Chris___ANG has joined #hardfought 10:49 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:52 [dyn] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2756 points, T:2702, killed by a leocrotta 10:53 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 10:53 [dyn] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 110 points, T:380, killed by a sewer rat 10:55 -!- Chris___ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:23 K2: also consider adding hardfought to the table on the Variant page 11:23 right now only grunthack references it 11:27 ah 11:27 didnt even know this page existed 11:29 that page needs some updating all the way around 11:30 thanks aosdict 11:36 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 11:37 T2: kitten is killed by a falling rock trap. 11:38 :/ 11:40 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:27568 11:45 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:45 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 11:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 11:47 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 11:55 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:55 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:56 [nd] dammitjim (Rog Orc Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:39019 12:11 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:23 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:28952 12:32 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu) averted death, on T:29552 12:34 [nd] elenmirie (Mon Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 100 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:29703 12:35 huh, I just found this comment in the source: /* encumbrance (1 cn = 0.1 lb.) */ 12:35 does this mean that arbitrary units of measure aren't so arbitrary? 12:36 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:40 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:52 [nd] dammitjim (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Croesus, on T:41206 12:52 elenmirie: is this still the 10-conduct monk you had the polymorphing accident with? 13:15 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:18 [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 48960 points, T:7661, killed by a leocrotta 13:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:32 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:32 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:39 FIQ: I missed an "additional" there. if you want the next bigger iphone, you pay $100-$150 more for 32 or 64 GB. 13:39 for 32 or 64 GB more memory 13:40 [nd] dammitjim (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:41765 14:06 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 14:06 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 14:15 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 14:39 -!- theRaisse has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:50 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:55 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 14:57 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:58 [nd] dammitjim (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:44552 14:59 [nd] dammitjim (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:44555 15:00 -!- Tomthetom has joined #hardfought 15:04 -!- Tomthetom has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:20 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 15:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 15:20 -!- Jonathanhanes_ has joined #hardfought 15:21 weird, still not yet in slex 15:21 er not dead 15:22 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:54 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 15:54 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 15:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 16:15 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 16:22 -!- acalycine has joined #hardfought 16:23 [gh] k2 (Wiz Gia Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:10960 16:36 LarienTelrunya: beholder logs quits/joins 16:37 thanks! that way I can see more easily which parts I've missed :) 16:37 it does now at least, i think that was one of the bits Tangles had to resolve 16:37 -!- acalycine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:37 its still a work in progress 16:37 [dyn] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 31986 points, T:16338, killed by a bolt of lightning 16:37 well for the newest log it works! 16:38 yup 16:50 FIQ, how do you see your stats in fiqhack? 17:04 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:8382 17:05 [nd] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 8012 points, T:8699, killed by a soldier ant 17:06 argh 17:06 couldn't make it back to the temple to heal up in time 17:09 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Don't worry GagarinX, it's alright :)] 17:20 bug_sniper: ctrl+x 17:20 if you mean stats as in str/etc 17:20 you can do one of 2 things 17:20 thanks 17:20 to have it always visible 17:21 1: consider a terminal bigger than 80x24, NH4 variants actually use the extra space 17:21 2: enable classic_status 17:33 raisse: more bones in the mines is good for everyone! :) 17:34 "You disturbed me, fool!" 17:34 that's bullshit 17:34 meh! 17:39 it's just outside the chaotic temple in cavern town 17:40 picked up jonathanhanes' bones so lots of good things 17:40 the two identical wnds are cancellation (and the bag is BoH) 17:44 [gh] k2 (Wiz Gia Mal Neu) had olive green spellbook bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:13775 17:44 please be finger of death 17:44 pleasepleaseplease 17:46 mmm acid blast 17:48 and i'm expert in attack spells 17:48 muhahah 17:55 K2: 2nd day in a row of more power produced than used 17:55 (which *should* be 95% of summer) 17:55 so just send me your address so i know where to have my bitcoin mining rigs sent 17:55 :D 17:59 can I send you a bitcoin address? 18:01 hah 18:02 honestly, if you even setup one bitcoin rig, you'd see all your excess gain disappear and then some 18:02 those things are power hogs 18:04 who would have thought that it's so power intensive to generate a few numbers 18:09 back in 2014 when i was mining, the rigs I had would consume about 8kW total 18:10 but the price of coins plus the lower difficultly meant i was making a profit even after paying my ridiculous electric bill 18:12 2014? 18:12 why are you not rich? 18:12 I ended up getting screwed over by mtgox 18:12 noooo mtgox :( 18:12 :( 18:12 bhaak: i started way too late 18:12 I burned my power supply mining 18:13 if you average bought through 2014 and 2015 you would have a pretty good return 18:13 blew* 18:13 i made enough to pay for daycare for about 6 months straight and i have some bitcoin left over 18:13 i'd call that a win 18:13 ah, 2014 was the bear market, I mixed up the year 18:14 i remember back in late 2009, buddy of mine asked me if i had heard of bitcoin and if i wanted to mine with him 18:14 rip 18:14 yup 18:14 2009 would of gotten you a lot 18:14 ouch, missed opportunity 18:14 stupidstupidstupid 18:14 heh 18:14 didn't someone pay a shit ton of bitcoins for a pizza 18:15 10000 18:15 yeah 18:15 back when it was basically worthless 18:15 hahah 18:15 I hope the pizza tasted good 18:15 wasnt me ;) 18:15 of course, wouldn't you have sold in between? holding is hard 18:16 i havent sold since i stopped mining summer of 2014 18:16 I tried to sell mine at 1k 18:16 but mtgox fucked me over 18:16 I just read a book about the early days. apparently, he blew 70000 Bitcoins on Pizza 18:16 as I was taking it out 18:16 :( 18:17 mind if i ask how much coin you lost loli? 18:17 not much 18:17 only had 1 coin I think 18:17 only mined for a month~ or so 18:17 gotcha 18:17 but still it burned a bit 18:17 oh yeah i'd be pissed 18:17 and now btc-e is under the microscope 18:18 is it? 18:18 yup just recently 18:18 what is the -e? 18:18 no idea 18:18 but they've been around almost as long as gox was 18:18 ahh 18:19 are they going to do the same 18:19 btw 18:19 oh holy shit 18:19 being able to transfer out of gox at that time 18:19 took months 18:19 yeah? 18:19 bitcoin is over 3200 usd now 18:19 what 18:19 really? 18:19 I thought it spiked at 2.6 and went down 18:19 it must of came up again 18:19 yeah, looks like it peaked at 3300 18:19 jesus 18:20 this is why i've held onto my remaining btc 18:20 maybe it'll keep rising 18:20 haha 18:20 good for you 18:20 and ina few years, i think it's 99% of all btc will have been mined? 18:20 have you cashed in you BCH? 18:20 then what will happen? 18:21 fees explosion? 18:21 not sure of timeline. its over 100 yrs for all btc to be mined tho at current pace 18:21 so much sooner than that 18:21 but every 4 years the blockreward gets smaller 18:21 right 18:21 but the increase in technology should easily offset that, no? 18:21 so the estimate is roughly 100 yrs for 100% mined 18:21 perhaps 18:22 BCH is that the bitcoin cash hard fork? 18:22 yes 18:22 hard fork? 18:22 there was a hark fork of bitcoin a few days ago 18:23 if you kept your bitcoins in a private wallet, you have some of that "bitcoin cash", too 18:23 hard 18:23 ahh i was about to ask 18:23 i need to fire up my wallet 18:24 you would need to read up on how to split them and AFAIK the exchange just started to accept deposits (if you want to cash them out) 18:25 i typically use coinbase. they plan on supporting BCH early next year 18:25 i'm still on core 0.14.1, need to update 18:27 10 weeks behind 18:27 this will take a few min 18:28 bhaak: which exchnage is accepting BCH? 18:31 time to start a game! 18:32 ;) 18:32 lmgtfy 18:32 K2: https://coinsutra.com/sell-bitcoin-cash-exchanges/ 18:32 thx 18:33 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:34 although looking at the graph, BCH might have bottomed out. I would maybe only sell half and wait and see if it drops further or picks up again somewhat? 18:34 I wouldn't be surprised if later on there are pumps. but who knows what price bitcoin will be on then? 18:36 yeah 18:36 at the moment BCH isnt even a tenth of the price of BTC 18:36 but 18:37 its still a lot more valuable than any of your other altcoins 18:37 208 USD per BCH is what i am seeing right now 18:37 this monkey really likes me 18:37 "The space monkey smiles at you seductively" 18:37 K2: in monetary units or in idealistic units? 18:37 because if I look at the market cap, there are a few alts that are worth more 18:38 there are other coins worth more than 200/coin? 18:38 sure 18:39 https://coinmarketcap.com/ 18:39 oh yeah 18:39 although that's a weird metric 18:39 forgot about ethereum 18:39 daaaamn 18:39 i havent followed this is a long while 18:39 byteball 18:40 564 usd 18:41 i used to mine peercoin quite a bit 18:41 such a letdown... 18:41 glad i converted my PPC to BTC when i did 18:42 was that the first PoS/PoW hybrid? 18:43 yes 18:45 [nd] dammitjim (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 silver dagger", on T:45009 18:45 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 18:48 -!- hothraxxa has quit [*.net *.split] 18:49 "Unlike Unnethack, this variant allows you to actually hit monsters, and so you do." 18:49 how nice of the game 18:49 yeah, Amy is easily pissed and she lets you know it 18:50 I actually find that an attractive trait in a woman 18:50 damn game is fucking with me again 18:50 https://puu.sh/x3s6y/2be4ae2f44.png 18:51 but knowing shit upfront is nice, I will give you that 18:53 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 18:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v hothraxxa] by weber.freenode.net 18:54 aosdict: after looking around a bit, yeah, 18:54 1st and 2nd edition D&D were based on an AC range of -10 to +10, 18:54 suggesting that is where Nethack got it from. 18:55 Chris__ANG: how is it that you always respond to me from out of the blue at the exact moment I decide to stop whatever else I'm doing and look back at IRC? 18:55 No clue ;) 18:56 Also, most D&D creatures apparently fell into the range of 2 - 9 AC, which I also think describes nethack fairly well. 18:56 Crucially, 18:57 those versions of D&D were apparently balanced for the first 11 levels or so, before the math started to break. 18:58 At the top of that range, the very best physical fighters only got +9 to hit (not counting weapons, skills, etc). 18:59 D&D doesn't have a luck stat, so no +13 from that, of course, 18:59 from what I know, it bases on a 1d20 roll and a constant 10 term, and you get to-hit equal to your XL 18:59 so it makes sense that 10/11 is where things start to go wacky 18:59 I don't think so, there's a table for that. 18:59 https://merricb.com/2014/06/08/a-look-at-armour-class-in-original-dd-and-first-edition-add/ 19:00 700000 XP on that table is around 10th level. 19:00 not talking about D&D for that specific mechanic, that's how I remember nethack doing it 19:01 Ah, yep, that's how nethack does it :) 19:01 Also, 19:01 in D&D I think the most magical weapons possible are only +5, 19:01 and in 1st and 2nd those were quite rare, you might not get one. 19:02 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 19:02 so many fond memories of playing 1st edition ad&d 19:04 and the original d&d 19:04 still have the books 19:06 Do you remember if it was +5 swords that were the best, or +3? 19:06 yeah so if I'm working this out correctly, if you attack a monster with max luck at XL 10 and no other bonuses or penalties, you'll always hit if the monster's AC is greater than -3 19:06 (I played 3rd edition :) ) 19:06 +5 19:07 and those were super super rare 19:07 the DM we had, most of our adventures took place in greyhawk 19:07 where magic was rare all the way around 19:07 so even coming across a +1 anything was a big deal 19:07 pfft, says you 19:08 * aosdict gathers 10 blessed scrolls of enchant weapon 19:08 One possible balance thing that a close-to-vanilla nethack variant might try, 19:08 is making scrolls of enchant weapon *temporarily* improve weapons. 19:08 hah 19:08 ooh 19:08 might as well cast a spell of permanently piss off your playerbase 19:09 so finding a +5 flail might be worth it 19:09 thats EPI territory 19:09 if you don't need to re-enchant it back to that all the time 19:09 Chris__ANG or, isnt of temp enchantment, just make the scrolls a lot or rare 19:09 and cost a lot or ink to write 19:10 s/isnt/instead 19:10 K2: well, it's certainly an idea to go on the list and maybe test out. Who knows? 19:10 perhaps 19:10 or = more both times 19:10 jeez 19:10 Yeah, but it only takes a couple to make a much-more-enchanted weapon than the D&D math assumes. 19:11 Or, I *guess* the AC range could be adjusted to account for +7 weapons.... 19:11 I'm liking the idea of separate AC and evasiveness stats that jonadab mentioned, where AC does not affect to-hit at all 19:12 but anything like that means a full overhaul of the AC system, which is most definitely not in the works 19:13 The AC system probably needs a full overhaul <_< 19:14 I also want to look at the newer versions of D&D, which have sane increasing armor class, but I still won't know a lot of the nuances of the system 19:14 like, for example, how often you're expected to be wielding a high enchanted weapon 19:14 3e and 3.5e had rather wacky blance. 19:15 4e was very different than prior versions, 19:15 and 5e (the current) locks things down much more closely to an AC 10 - 30 system, 19:15 which is mathematically equivalent to a 10 - -10 system. 19:16 In 3.5 the fighter basically always hit what he was swinging at, 19:16 and had an ability that traded +s to hit for +s to damage. 19:20 * Chris__ANG checks his 5e book 19:20 Oh hey, 19:20 Heh, I actually have a 5e book. Never actually played it for more than one session though. 19:20 it's *5e* in which the best-possible magic equipment is only +3. 19:21 I played a session of it when it first came out, and DMed a short campaign about a year ago. 19:21 We never got past level 5 or so, though. 19:22 -!- Chris__ANG is now known as Chris_ANG 19:22 5e did it's best not to asume anything about PCs getting magic equipment, 19:22 Yeah, every group I've gotten together with never got back together for a second session. 19:23 meaning even a +1 sword puts you slightly above curve for the whole game. 19:23 okay, so basing on 5e doesn't sound like that great of an idea either 19:24 Actually, 19:24 while staying with 1st/2nd? is probably best, 19:24 5th is probably next-best after that. 19:25 -!- Tomthetom has joined #hardfought 19:25 3e would be bad for nethack, since it scales sharply with level. 19:25 (and 4th is a totally different game system) 19:26 I think I'm leaning towards the opinion that Nethack has evolved far enough away from D&D in general that it's a totally different game system. 19:26 True 19:26 ~ish, I guess. 19:26 Magic certainly is, 19:27 physical combat is still recognizable, but the balance point is different, 19:27 since D&D is often 4 on 1 where nethack is 1 on many. 19:40 [slex] dolores (Cam Lol Fem Cha), 3771 points, T:3278, killed by a monster (large rothe) 19:41 -!- Tomthetom00 has joined #hardfought 19:42 one of the many many reasons i love nethack is that its grounded in basic/1st edition rules 19:43 -!- Tomthetom has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:43 there's obvious deviation, but someone coming from pencil/paper d&d would real right at home playing nethack 19:43 feel 19:45 well, nethack does take some extra player advantages and stack them on top of that d&d base 19:45 not prominent in the early game though 19:54 -!- Tomthetom00 has quit [Quit: Went Away...] 19:55 !lotg loli 19:55 May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, loli! 19:56 I wonder, do we have anyone else's luck we can use? 19:56 thanks 19:56 lotnoty loli 19:56 !lotnoty loli 19:56 it seems I've been punished! 19:56 May the Luck of the Noty be with you always, loli! 19:56 for some reason 19:56 what's the ball made of? 19:57 iron 19:57 that's easier to remove 19:57 is it? 19:57 ahh fuck 19:57 so many damn U class monsters 19:57 that means you can carry it and dip it into fountains, and not just bury it in pits or wait for an R monster to eat it 19:58 an R monster? 19:58 speak of the devil, you have an R monster right there 19:58 well lets try that 19:58 okay 19:58 it wokred? 19:58 yep, it worked 19:58 just need to get rid of the chain 19:58 and how to deal wiht him 19:58 nvm, 19:58 it's still here 19:59 wait, did you pick up your ball? 19:59 oh 19:59 I had to pick it up 19:59 you have to let it walk over the ball I think 19:59 I tried that 19:59 I did not pick it up 19:59 are all Rs in slex metallivores? 19:59 yes 19:59 it ate it! 19:59 ahhh fuck 20:00 yes aosdict, they all are from what I've seen 20:00 rattlesnakes will eat them 20:00 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00 !lotBluescreen loli 20:01 I'm not sure you want the Luck of the Bluescreen 20:01 okay 20:01 so I'm back 20:01 time to figure out how to deal with this 20:02 yeah, perhaps not because of her bad luck with genocide and the elder priest 20:02 just fight through the rust monster 20:02 did it! 20:02 only took rusting everything 20:02 it rusts metal weapons you hit it with 20:02 and armor it hits 20:03 but at least that wasn't a disintegrator 20:03 I guess 20:03 idk how to get rid of him besides urun 20:03 maybe throw the boomerang a bunchg 20:03 wooden or elven weapons may help 20:03 quarterstaffs and baseball bats are made of wood 20:04 and there are weaponized boots that are made of leather 20:04 those ' guys are going to make this difficult 20:09 ahh 20:09 panic digging is slow 20:09 did not know that 20:10 [slex] dolores (Fox Lol Fem Cha), 4458 points, T:1787, killed by a monster (gnome lord), while panic digging 20:10 loli, do you know how to tell what a techinique does? 20:10 I know what they do 20:10 I just didn't know how long it would take 20:10 was going to run 20:10 since 3 enemies at once is too much 20:10 panic digging is like hitting a floating eye in regular nethack 20:11 ahhh 20:11 my database isn't the most up to date... 20:11 @nh?floating eye 20:11 I'll try another game 20:12 in vanilla and similar, rust monsters don't do actual damage. put on a cloak to protect your armor, unwield your weapon, and punch them to death 20:12 if they do damage in your variant, please discard this advice :) 20:12 okay 20:12 so just punch 20:12 thanks 20:12 or wield your unicorn horn, though the success of that also varies by variant 20:13 I'll just kick it to death 20:15 it might rust your boots then 20:15 :( 20:15 time to seduce everything, you ready 20:15 this fedora better aid me 20:16 just go to the next level, come back on your way up 20:17 Q_Q 20:17 the game hates you too, I can see 20:17 I just wanted to seduce someone 20:17 Q_Q 20:18 [slex] dolores (Lad Elf Mal Cha), 91 points, T:293, killed by a monster (thrush) 20:18 should of teleported 20:18 instread of healed 20:18 I could of recovered 20:18 what shall I play next 20:19 I have an idea 20:22 quickest level yet 20:22 You kill the highschool eel! Welcome to experience level 4. The hata-hata bites you! 20:22 [-1 -> 48] 20:22 You kill the hata-hata! Welcome to experience level 5. 20:27 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Disconnected] 20:39 well that's some shit 20:39 https://puu.sh/x3wop/871559dba9.png 20:43 rofl 20:43 yay slex 20:44 damn bipolar turned into a kop 20:50 off to work, see you all from there 20:51 have fun 20:51 that's nice I have a "forget-me-not" potion 20:52 I often slip these to girls at bars 20:52 this game knows my style 21:02