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15:10 -!- card.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org ¤ Slash'EM Extended 2.0.1 is available for play. May God have mercy on my soul
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15:10 <K2> !ping
15:10 <Beholder> K2: Pong! 
15:11 <K2> https://www.hardfought.org/irclog/
15:11 <K2> first iteration of #hardfought online irc log
15:11 <K2> thanks to Tangles
15:12 <K2> LarienTelrunya: so now if anyone talks smack about slex while you're not here, you can check and see :P
15:12 <LarienTelrunya> woohoo! thanks a lot K2! this will be very useful :)
15:12 <jonadab> K2: Freenode culture being what it is, probably a good idea to mention the public logging in the topic.
15:12 <K2> so the way it's set now, it'll rotate the logfile every 24 hrs
15:13 <K2> jonadab: yup agree
15:13 <jonadab> Or the join message, or something.
15:13 <K2> but it will rotate based on when the bot was last restarted
15:13 <K2> i think Tangles wants to work it in so it rotates at midnight or some other set slice of time
15:14 <jonadab> Personally, I used to _expect_ public logging, before the NetHack community pulled me onto Freenode.
15:15 <jonadab> But I have learned that some folks on Freenode expect that NOT to be the case unless specifically mentioned.
15:15 <Grasshopper_> hothraxxa, you don't have to quaff from fountains to get wishes from them
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15:15 <jonathanhanes> cool, thanks K2!
15:15 <aosdict> I mean, you should always expect private logging
15:15 <hothraxxa> i know, you get them from dipping too
15:15 <jonathanhanes> and tangles
15:16 <jonadab> aosdict: Anybody who doesn't assume private logging is an idiot, yeah.
15:16 <hothraxxa> well you get grateful demons
15:16 <K2> i'll setup a bot command to point to the irclog
15:16 <aosdict> and there's no real expectation of privacy from strangers
15:16 <aosdict> !greplog slex
15:16 <jonadab> Heh.
15:16 <jonadab> Better make that only do the last 24 hours by default or something.
15:16 <aosdict> ^ what LarienTelrunya will do every day
15:16 <honu> i am hothraxxa's logger. fear me
15:16 <K2> rule of thumb - if its on the internet and its unrestricted access, its public for anyone to see
15:17 <aosdict> I am aosdict's logger. do not fear me
15:17 <jonadab> K2: Like I said, I used to assume everything is publicly logged.  From mailing list and usenet culture.
15:17 <K2> right
15:17 <jonadab> And then I met people on IRC who get upset if a log is posted in public.
15:17 <K2> but ppl being what they are, some wont realize that
15:17 <jonadab> But if you warn them in the topic, then you should be in the clear, IMO.
15:17 <hothraxxa> jonadab: tell them about the nsa
15:18 <LarienTelrunya> jonadab, my man! specifically, what triggered me wanting backlog was "vivardoradorium. is that a metal? i assume so" - do you have the context of that?
15:18 <K2> those ppl who get upset over a public channel log being available, are silly
15:18 <jonadab> I mean, #evergreen is publicly logged.
15:18 <jonadab> LarienTelrunya: The context doesn't help with that one.  I had no idea what they were talking about at the time either.
15:18 <K2> https://www.hardfought.org/irclog/
15:19 <LarienTelrunya> they were talking about slex, obviously; can you pastebin +- 50 messages from that one? ;)
15:20 <aosdict> LarienTelrunya: there are no references to vivardoradorium before that message
15:20 <aosdict> it's not in context of anything except hothraxxa playing slex
15:20 <LarienTelrunya> yes but hothraxxa was playing slex there, and generally talking about stuff in the game
15:21 <LarienTelrunya> which means I'm automatically interested in seeing all of it
15:21 <LarienTelrunya> 16:10 	<	aosdict		> 	I'm quite surprised that studded leather armor didn't scream in agony or dissolve your chest or something when you wore it
15:21 <aosdict> haha I forgot about that
15:21 <LarienTelrunya> ^^ the lines before that are missing, so I don't know what's up with that armor
15:22 <aosdict> from what I recall: hothraxxa put on a normal studded leather armor
15:22 <hothraxxa> amy hang on, i will have that in honu's log
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15:22 <LarienTelrunya> yay :)
15:22 <jonadab> LarienTelrunya: http://jonadab.jumpingcrab.com/pastebin/822.txt
15:22 <jonadab> The context, as I said, doesn't really help.
15:23 <LarienTelrunya> more!!! there's more slex-related stuff above that and probably below too! :D
15:23 <K2> menu link to irclog on hardfought website now...
15:23 <K2> just need to make bot command
15:24 <K2> i will do that later
15:24 <K2> need to go get my kid from daycare
15:24 <jonadab> LarienTelrunya: Actually, it goes to nhdev after that.
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15:24 <jonadab> And I think was vanill abefore that too.
15:25 <jonadab> That conversation was weird.  It looked like there should be context that would explain what it was about; but there wasn't.
15:26 <LarienTelrunya> oh, okay
15:26 <LarienTelrunya> thanks for pasting it :)
15:26 <hothraxxa> there is a little bit more: https://pastebin.com/612cQwX7
15:27 <jonadab> It doesn't explain anything, though.
15:27 <LarienTelrunya> thanks hothraxxa! :)
15:28 <Grasshopper_> EPI: YANI: you can wear an empty bag over your head to blind yourself. Also sets charisma to 6 (which may be an advantage if you are really ugly).
15:28 <hothraxxa> jonadab: you had to be there
15:28 <Grasshopper_> Attempting to wear a bag of tricks results in instadeath and an amusing message
15:28 <hothraxxa> watching
15:28 <Grasshopper_> but you ID the bag
15:28 <aosdict> great compensation there
15:28 <jonadab> Grasshopper_: And attempting to wear a bag of holding decapitates you?
15:28 <Grasshopper_> always a silver lining!
15:29 <LarienTelrunya> jonadab: why would the explanation be important?
15:29 <Grasshopper_> well, stick your head in to check
15:29 <hothraxxa> wearing a bag of holding should expand your mind
15:29 <Grasshopper_> hothraxxa, lol
15:29 <aosdict> I don't see why a bag of holding would be particularly harmful, you can stick your hand in there all you want.
15:29 <Grasshopper_> yes, no penalty for wearing bohs
15:30 <hothraxxa> *pssst* are you holding, dude?
15:30 <Grasshopper_> except maybe in slex:evil option
15:30 <jonadab> aosdict: The lore, at least in Order of the Stick, is that things put into a Bag of Holding are relocated to another plane of existance and are not necessarily proximate to things outside the bag.
15:31 <Grasshopper_> jonadab, but the boh doesn't destroy anything
15:31 <jonadab> Hence Belkar was afraid that if they put Roy's rotting corpse in a BoH to stop the smell, it would activate his Mark of Justice due to him being more than a mile from Roy.
15:31 <jonadab> Grasshopper_: No, but it separates it from the things outside the bag.
15:31 <Grasshopper_> the whole item would have to pass through the invisible "gate" before going anyhere
15:31 <Grasshopper_> anywhere
15:31 <jonadab> So putting it over your head would separate your head from your body.
15:31 <Grasshopper_> like I said, your entire body would need to go in
15:32 <jonadab> Ah.
15:32 <hothraxxa> they're canvas tardises
15:32 <Grasshopper_> until that point the gate isn't triggered
15:32 <Grasshopper_> otherwise they wouldn't work
15:33 <Grasshopper_> bohs must have some pretty special visualisation magic built in
15:33 <jonadab> "From this bag here why I can pull most anything imaginable / from office desk to lava lamps to Bert who is a cannibal!"
15:33 <Grasshopper_> so that you can grope around into these etra-dimensional spaces and get what you want
15:34 <Grasshopper_> I'm imagining Tony Stark/Iron Man kind of visualisation
15:34 <jonadab> Nah, it's like a cartoon character reaching behind their back.  They just get the object they're thinking about, assuming it's available.  It's magic.
15:34 <Grasshopper_> where you sweep past image representation you don't want, until you get to what you do want
15:35 <Grasshopper_> jonadab, I like your explanation
15:35 <hothraxxa> you can't always get what you want
15:35 <jonadab> Well, you know, _occasionally_ your enemy pops out instead.  <-- EPI
15:35 <hothraxxa> but if you try sometimes
15:36 <jonadab> (Or you grab yourself by the tail/ears and pull yourself out.  I think I've seen Bugs Bunny do that.)
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15:37 <hothraxxa> we need stenno in here. he would have picked up on that
15:38 <jonadab> Last time I saw him online was July 24th.
15:38 <aosdict> stenno was active in #nethack earlier today
15:39 <jonadab> Oh?  I wasn't looking there.
15:39 <aosdict> or at least, stennowork
15:39 <jonadab> I sort of assumed if he was on he'd be in... another place.
15:45 <hothraxxa> you feel there is a secret channel nearby
15:46 <jonadab> Well, [redacted]
15:47 * aosdict applies a stethoscope to the wall of #hardfought
15:52 <raisse> probably on holiday
15:52 <aosdict> stenno?
15:52 <raisse> yes
15:52 <aosdict> but then why is stenno using the stennowork nick
15:52 <raisse> oh, I forgot to read the "earlier today" line
15:53 <raisse> (tired, distracted and a little drunk)
15:53 <raisse> had a bit of drama earlier this week, still recovering from it
15:58 <aosdict> YANI: when invisibility is going to wear off in a few turns, warn the player with a unique message
15:59 <raisse> "you feel observed"?
16:00 <aosdict> it'd depend on if you can see invisible
16:00 <aosdict> and also hallucination of course
16:00 <raisse> "you feel a bit less transparent"
16:00 <raisse> oh! "you thought you saw someone"
16:01 <aosdict> "you thought you saw yourself"?
16:01 <raisse> ooh yes!
16:02 <aosdict> with the hallucinatory message "You feel introspective for a moment"?
16:03 <aosdict> or something about self-reflection
16:04 <jonadab> EPI: if you're wearing the cursed Eyes of the Overworld, monsters can see _you_ through walls, instead of the other way around.
16:05 <jonadab> EPI: also, if your MR-artifact becomes cursed, other monsters resist magic missile, death, etc. that you try to use against them, instead of the other way around.
16:05 <jonadab> EPI: also, if your cloak of MR becomes cursed, same thing.
16:13 <jonadab> EPI: a trap that picks two permonst structures at random and swaps their name, symbol, and symbol color.  So e.g. if it picks PM_LICHEN and PM_WOOD_NYMPH, then you walk up to a green F and get "The lichen smiles at you engagingly..."
16:13 <FIQ> hothraxxa: so how's the lich after the changes
16:13 <FIQ> still doing bad stuff?
16:14 <LarienTelrunya> jonadab: You feel very attracted to the master mind flayer.
16:20 <jonadab> Heh.
16:23 <FIQ> hothraxxa: but you gave it teleport control?
16:23 <FIQ> what happened
16:23 <FIQ> hm
16:23 <FIQ> need to investigate it
16:23 <FIQ> sorry
16:37 <Tarmunora_> slex EPI: Cursed searching nasty trap - searching will randomly crate traps around you while under the effect of the cursed searching trap
16:38 <LarienTelrunya> and not reveal them? sounds nice... or evil, I guess ;)
16:41 <aosdict> and it works in a radius, not just adjacent
16:42 <aosdict> though the phrase "slex EPI" seems a little redundannt
16:42 <aosdict> redundant*
16:51 <jonadab> ^ One-shotted.
16:52 <Grasshopper_> gnomes don't need wands anymore
16:52 <Grasshopper_> they are deadly little f*&kers already
16:54 <jonadab> Only the wizards, usually.
16:54 <jonadab> In fairness, I had been letting my pet kill almost everything.  If I'd used my darts more, I could've probably gained another level and had more max HP.
16:55 <jonadab> Early Tourist is always a balancing act that way.
16:55 <jonadab> Also, I was using capital-letter movement in a corridor on an unexplored level.
16:55 <jonadab> Which is kinda careless.
16:56 <jonadab> But, if I'd been proceding carefully, I'd have probably opened that door anyway.  Because, you know, you have to explore.
16:56 <jonadab> And I wanted to find the up stairs to get back up to the level above, so I could find the Sokoban entrance.  (There was a trapdoor near the down stairs on the Delphi level.)
16:57 <Grasshopper_> in the very early game I follow a principle of not opening doors until I need to
16:57 <jonadab> (Bernoulli, fortunately, was next to me when I hit the trap door, so he fell with me.  But he didn't save me from that force bolt.)
16:58 <Grasshopper_> by not opening doors, you may avoid facing monsters before you are ready
16:58 <jonadab> One thing I could have done, in principle, is not stand _directly_ in front of the door when opening it.  Which might have saved me in this case.  I've never been _quite_ that paranoid, but perhaps as an early Tourist I should be.
16:58 <jonadab> I might have been able to let Bernoulli the large dog go in first.
16:58 <jonadab> (The room had multiple monsters, I think it was a throne room or zoo.)
16:59 <jonadab> (I never got into the room, to get the entry message, because I got one-shotted as soon as the door opened.)
17:00 <Grasshopper_> might pay to be that paranoid in fh
17:00 <Grasshopper_> !lastgame jonadab 
17:00 <Beholder> Grasshopper_: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/j/jonadab/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-08-04%2020%3A51%3A17%2C%20Freakitsar-Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu%2C%20died.txt
17:03 <Grasshopper_> jonadab, lv8 of the dungeon is pretty heavy going for a lv1 tourist
17:03 <Grasshopper_> heck, lv1 of the dungeon is challenging enough for a lv1 tourist
17:04 <LarienTelrunya> jonadab, hothraxxa: to answer the "vivardoradorium" mystery, it's just a name I made up for a fictional radioactive metal.
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17:16 <jonadab> Grasshopper_: Yeah, I should've used my darts more and gained a level, instead of letting Bernoulli kill everything.
17:17 <jonadab> Though I only _intended_ to go to Lv7, which would've had the Soko entrance; a trap door took me past it.
17:17 <jonadab> LarienTelrunya: Dare I ask what the etymology is, either in-universe or out?
17:21 <aosdict> LarienTelrunya: do radioactive materials give you radiation poisoning in slex?
17:22 <jonadab> Is there resistance to that?
17:27 <LarienTelrunya> jonadab: well it's supposed to be spanish-sounding, from "live" and "golden"
17:28 <LarienTelrunya> also, radiation does not yet exist, but I'm planning to make a "contamination" attribute that goes up if monsters hit you with viva weapons
17:29 <hothraxxa> fiq: lich update
17:30 <hothraxxa> i got hit again by a bounce that ended in a magical blast
17:30 <hothraxxa> then she stepped on a levelport trap and tried to control the teleport, but she vanished
17:30 <hothraxxa> i couldn't see her with esp
17:30 <hothraxxa> i went upstairs, couldn't see her, went back downstairs, and there she was
17:31 <hothraxxa> no idea how that happened
17:31 <hothraxxa> so now i'm still debating whether i should genocide L
17:31 <Grasshopper_> jonadab, lv5 seems enough to kill a lv1 tourist with ease
17:32 <Grasshopper_> often worth ducking your head into the mines and killing a few dwarves/gnomes for their shiny armor and daggers
17:33 <Grasshopper_> just stay near the stairs, retreat if it gets too hot
17:40 <Grasshopper_> aha, yellow dragon scales from Ludios. That'll be a huge improvement over +0 dwarven mithril for my barbie
17:43 <FIQ> hothraxxa: hmm
17:43 <FIQ> so it's not picking the right destination
17:43 <FIQ> oh wait it is
17:44 <FIQ> just that it isn't properly saying "shuddered for a moment"
17:44 <FIQ> got it
17:44 <FIQ> I think I know what's going on
17:44 <FIQ> it's "levelporting" to the current level
17:44 <FIQ> meaning it'll reappear if you exit and reenter it
17:44 <hothraxxa> but not see her if i don
17:44 <hothraxxa> 't?
17:45 <FIQ> well I think what happens is
17:45 <hothraxxa> levelporting to the same level makes sense
17:45 <FIQ> it "levelports" with the destination of the current level
17:45 <hothraxxa> since it's control not resistance
17:45 <FIQ> just that the code isn't picking up on it
17:45 <FIQ> so it defers to the next time you enter
17:46 <FIQ> and it disappears meanhwile
17:46 <FIQ> it's a bug
17:46 <hothraxxa> ah
17:46 <FIQ> it's supposed to say "X shudder for a moment"
17:46 <FIQ> if the destination is the current level
17:46 <hothraxxa> well that is what happens in other cases, to be sure
17:46 <FIQ> yeah
17:46 <FIQ> if you don't have MR
17:46 <FIQ> but do have TC
17:46 <FIQ> and pick current level on a level teleporter
17:47 <FIQ> that's what happens
17:47 <hothraxxa> i've seen it with pets. i just assumed the rng rolled the same level it was on
17:53 <FIQ> hothraxxa: yeah but it's possible that the TC thing works differently due to me messing up
17:59 <Grasshopper_> I managed to kill almost all the Ludios soldier on the one spot - 27 pages of Ludios crap
18:00 <aosdict> if you stone all the Ludios soldiers and then force bolt the statues, you get several pages of rocks too
18:00 <jonathanhanes> Ooh I've done that
18:01 <Grasshopper_> aosdict, that's how I killed most of the soldiers ;D
18:02 <Grasshopper_> maybe there's probably a couple of pages of rocks in there
18:03 <hothraxxa> got stf?
18:03 <Grasshopper_> anyway, it makes things simpler for later - eg polypiling
18:04 <Grasshopper_> My new shirt might be in that pile somewhere, just waiting for me to poly it out
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19:03 <Elronnd> @le?heartborne bastard
19:03 <Elronnd> @@le?heartborne bastard
19:04 <Elronnd> Tangles: can you make Beholder query pinoclone for monster data?
19:08 <K2> even better would be if we just incorporated pinobot's functions into beholder
19:10 <Jonathanhanes_> !rng tourist | arc | rogue
19:10 <Beholder> Jonathanhanes_:  arc 
19:11 <Grasshopper_> good luck with that arc Jonathanhanes_ !
19:11 <K2> ;)
19:11 <Jonathanhanes_> ty!
19:11 <Grasshopper_> !lotg Jonathanhanes_ 
19:11 <Beholder> May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, Jonathanhanes_!
19:12 <K2> !8ball will Jonathanhanes_ survive and ascend with this arc?
19:12 <Beholder> K2: Most likely
19:12 <K2> hey hey
19:12 <K2> no pressure...
19:12 <Jonathanhanes_> heh
19:12 <Jonathanhanes_> ez pz
19:12 <aosdict> can we also have Beholder parse spaces around pipes in !rng
19:13 -!- Jonathanhanes_ is now known as jonathanhanes
19:14 <K2> aosdict: whats the issue exactly?
19:15 <aosdict> !rng tourist |      arc |                rogue |                            priest
19:15 <Beholder> aosdict:       arc 
19:15 <aosdict> thanks for not picking tourist, Beholder
19:19 <K2> ah
19:20 <aosdict> Rodney does this too, it's very mildly annoying
19:22 <NeroOneTrueKing_> in python: "   mystring ".strip() will result in "mystring"
19:23 <aosdict> is beholder python based?
19:23 <K2> yes
19:23 <aosdict> better than perl