00:02 * tinklebear spends a minute thinking about all the cats in cat jail 00:08 I sometimes wonder how cats percieve, what we percieve as music 00:09 <@Loggers_VIII> I wonder the same thing 00:10 you probably spell it right, though 00:10 <@Loggers_VIII> even humans can hardly seem to agree on what is and isn’t music sometimes 00:10 *that* is a good point 00:12 <@Loggers_VIII> my brain kept automatically correcting your spelling so it took me a minute to figure out what you were talking about just now 00:13 <@Loggers_VIII> but yeah, sometimes I play music around my cats and wonder if I’m annoying them with what they see as just more noise 00:13 heh 00:14 <@Loggers_VIII> that sentence technically works, but I’m kind of embarrassed I used “see” when talking about hearing 00:14 seems normal to me 00:15 it is funny how common things can start to look funny if you focus on them 00:16 I had one cat that seemed to get the zoomies when I'd play certain music 00:16 but I'm not sure I've noticed any of my other cats being affected by it 00:17 <@Loggers_VIII> one of my cats seems to have a preference for certain kanye songs, or at least tolerates them more than other stuff 00:17 haha 00:19 <@Loggers_VIII> throughout my life I’ve always had very stoic cats though, so it’s hard to gauge how they feel about much 00:21 :D 01:20 -!- tinklebear has left #evilhack 01:40 -!- coplate has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:45 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:36 -!- Announcy has quit [Killed (molybdenum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 02:38 -!- Announcy has joined #evilhack 02:38 -!- mode/#evilhack [+v Announcy] by ChanServ 04:12 ancient pseudodragon pet attacks the oracle and doesn't even leave a corpse to resurrect :-( 04:51 -!- mobileuser42 has joined #evilhack 04:53 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:58 -!- mobileuser42 is now known as mobileuser 05:30 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:31 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:16 [hdf-au] [evil] HungryMotu (Val Dwa Mal Neu) murdered his faithful dog, on T:14561 (4:39:14) 06:19 [hdf-au] [evil] HungryMotu (Val Dwa Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:14688 (4:42:25) 06:21 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:29 [hdf-au] [evil] HungryMotu (Val Dwa Mal Neu) had a leather studded armor entrusted to him by Odin, on T:15117 (4:52:52) 06:34 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 06:36 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:36 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 06:43 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:50 [hdf-au] [evil] HungryMotu (Val Dwa Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:16816 (5:13:47) 06:52 [hdf-au] [evil] HungryMotu (Val Dwa Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16844 (5:14:59) 07:06 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1019 points, T:2187, killed by dipping into a forge 07:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had a staff of matter entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:23083 (10:53:03) 07:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:23375 (11:02:14) 07:34 hi 07:34 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 07:35 hey 07:35 Hello mobileuser, Welcome to #evilhack 07:35 heh 07:35 * K2 pets Hecubus 07:35 lots of nice new commits 07:35 thanks 07:35 more inbound today 07:36 \o/ 07:41 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:5471 (0:35:02) 07:53 im torn between using my archon now, cuz i need it, or saving it for the ascension since i guarantee i lose it otherwise in gehennom 08:00 might as well do it now. there will be more wishes. 08:01 Dagul already perished? 08:02 before more commits, i gotta apply for a couple more jobs 08:02 bleh 08:13 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Fem Neu) killed Baphomet, on T:86015 (1 day, 5:46:06) 08:13 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Fem Neu) murdered Backup, her faithful baby owlbear, on T:86035 (1 day, 5:46:36) 08:14 baby killer 08:17 bad poly trap outcome, was inevitable 08:17 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 08:40 argh! lava gremlin took my speed 08:40 bloody tortles 08:54 YANI: gremlins acquire the intrinsic they steal 08:54 that's a good one 08:59 <@Loggers_VIII> @e?lava gremlin 08:59 lava gremlin (g) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire poison | Confer: fire poison | MR: 25 | Gen: gehennom | AC: 2 | Atk: 1d6 claw fire, 1d6 claw fire, 1d4 bite physical, 0d0 claw curse | Align: -9 | genocidable, poisonous, stalker, infravis 09:20 I just realized I can make Harbinger! 09:20 I already have the amulet... 09:21 BUT there's a forge on the way up the dungeon and one on DL 1 09:22 if i wield it and throw it, it won't break weaponless right? I'm pretty sure i've done it with regular aklys. Probably really easy to hit something by accident with it though 09:22 i dont think throwing it will break weaponless but it will be REALLY ez to accidentally hit with it 09:22 yeah exactly ! 09:23 i'm just going to accept now that that very thing might happen 09:23 id just stick with your magic missile and +7 silver shuriken 09:24 i just wish i realized it much sooner! I've probably had these artifacts (and playing weaponless so literally no use) for 30k turns 09:24 butr that's awesome. I'm WAY late to the party, but i really like the forging k2! 09:25 I still have so much learning to do 09:25 but something like that is neat because it makes those artifacts valuable to me even though i'm playing weaponless 09:39 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Hum Mal Neu) used a forge to create Harbinger, on T:82761 (1 day, 8:10:22) 09:41 and right after an NPC with a bullwhip got me to drop it!!! 09:41 damn 09:42 he teleported away, luckily he didn't take the amulet!! (and the harbinger only fell to my feet) 09:42 i love it when they whip your weapon into lava 09:44 yeah, THAT sucks 09:46 i have 3-5 wishes left, and not sure what to wish for... markers i guess 09:46 that's a lot of wishes, rebatelo 09:46 just ascend with them 09:46 doesn't that feel like a waste? i dunno. I've done that in vanilla for sure 09:47 but if there are things i can wish for that will help me ascend, i want to do that 09:47 makes sense 09:47 even my Titans are kitted out nicely 09:47 but I would wish for something for one of them at this point 09:47 lol 09:48 it's hard to figure out which weapons they will use 09:48 some they won't even carry so that makes it easy 09:48 do they have reflection? 09:48 like, from an amulet or shield 09:49 have you used both your guaranteed artifact wishes? if not, since you are neutral, wish for gjallar 09:50 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 17337 points, T:7005, quit 09:50 a nice thing with spellcaster pets is that they will frequently cast reflection 09:50 this is true, but I like to be absolutely certain 09:51 I think they will even cast reflection on you if you lack it 09:51 so I hear 09:51 yeah they are so good about casting it 09:51 but i usually give them an amulet too, sometimes life saving if i have enough 09:52 unchanging protects from poly traps 09:52 and I rarely need to heal them. I stethescope them and they are always doing fine and usually reflecting 09:52 what about player MR amulet? 09:52 ^ that 09:52 best use for it. give it to your amulet-wearing pet 09:53 i wonder if that works for poly (as well as unchanging) 09:53 it does 09:53 oh nice. yeah i thought so 09:53 polytraps are the worst 09:53 I would hesitate to use wishes on pets, aside from a magic whistle if I didn't have one, or reflection for my steed 09:53 hah... i just applied for a job that wanted to see a sense of humor. so I gave them humor 09:53 you didnt pants your interviewer again did you 09:53 :) 09:54 that only works in the army 09:54 tinklebear: yeah, i was mostly joking. I mean, I've never wished for anything for a pet 09:54 yeah, NPCs drop pretty much everything you could ask for 09:54 for a pet, at least 09:55 this was at the bottom of their 'who we're looking for, apply here' page 09:55 HOW NOT TO APPLY 09:55 Forget to write a good cover letter so that we have no way of knowing how articulate you really are 09:55 Include a lot of grammatical and structural errors in your cover letter and resume 09:55 Hide your personality so we can’t tell a thing about you, other than you are highly efficient in Microsoft Word 09:55 ok, that was a fun 8000 turn sidequest to repair all the intrinsics fire gremlins ate off me 09:56 really nervous about yeen with this silly tortle... 09:56 so this is the masterpiece cover letter i wrote - https://termbin.com/zcua 09:57 just sent it off, lets see if they bite 09:57 first sentence, repeated "to" 09:57 oh already sent 09:57 nevermind :-P 09:57 ah well 09:58 i can play that off as 'just checking to see if you checked for grammatical errors' 09:58 im always available for free cruel red pen work 09:58 i just marked up my daughter's first major high school paper and now she hates me 09:58 :) 09:59 trs-80 model i or model iii? i was a model iii 09:59 iii 09:59 yeah b aby 09:59 i have 2 of them in the basement 09:59 i think they still work 09:59 there was a nice forth compiler for the trash80 09:59 punch line, it was AI, right? 09:59 and scripsit was actually quite good for the time 09:59 hah NO it wasnt (this time) 09:59 heh :D 10:00 my dad tried to get me to learn how to program in assembler code 10:01 at 11 yrs old i was not interested 10:01 heh 10:01 definitely need to remember to foo proof the HoB these days... 10:01 i did a little assembler on the trs80 but didnt get really into it until the cdc compass assembler 10:01 other than the 'to' flub how's it look? 10:02 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:83030 (1 day, 8:22:37) 10:02 haha 10:02 damn it 10:02 ugh 10:02 I HAD to play with the Harbinger lol 10:02 looks good! i'll hire you to remotely manage my ubuntu machine. 98% samba, 2% minecraft, and some pihole and whatnot ive never actually turned on 10:02 cool 10:03 oh and of course aws because everything has to have aws 10:03 i demand 500 usd/hr 10:04 oh come on, i didnt mention oracle! 10:04 1000 usd/hr 10:05 heh, once i had to pay for one of the oracle daily-rate troubleshooting technicians to come out to our machine room. 2 days later, one of my senior engineers found and fixed the problem in their stupid code, the oracle engineer thanked us and left with his check and the patch 10:05 wow 10:05 i think (this was in the 90s) they were billing at $1200/day 10:06 nice guy tho 10:06 1200/day 10:06 damn 10:06 and we wouldnt have fixed their problem without his access to their code and tools 10:07 these days postgres or mariadb would be plenty performant but alas the ecosystem was not so evolved back then 10:08 hardfought/tnnt website uses mariadb 10:09 mysql has come a long, long way from axmark's work 10:10 did you see this commit krm26? https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/85972e4d97f2f9199a2b97187027e7e42ef88334 10:10 total shot in the dark vs stacking bug recently seen 10:12 i think the struct obj was supposed to only be used for stacking-invariant data? 10:12 brb need to get laundry started 10:12 krm26 no idea :/ 10:12 ok brb 10:12 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:14 laundry is like forgetting a spell 10:14 need to begin the process so far in advance of the result 10:15 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 10:21 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3743 (0:31:16) 10:30 I would like to know actual details of the stacking bug 10:30 sometimes you'll have two fully identified apparently identical stackable items that will not stack 10:30 I just finished searching for the term "stack" in the evilhack irclog for april, and found nothing 10:31 weve talked about it here before 10:31 since 2024 10:31 okay 10:31 might not have been recently 10:32 objects have a variably-sized associated data structure that may or may not be involved 10:33 so one question I have, that an actual report would hopefully answer, is what item classes have exhibited the problem? 10:33 stacking items 10:33 more reports would be better, but I would like to see at least one well-described report 10:33 krm26, I know that much 10:33 heh 10:34 :P 10:34 daggers and other stacking weapons definitely 10:34 I have been complaining about water and scrolls not stacking, pretty sure Loggers has too 10:34 both inherently fixed and not (thought for a bit it might be "fooproofed fixed" vs "not-fooproofed fixed") 10:35 yeah with less frequency i have seen scrolls/potions 10:35 there are a number of confounds that apply to each item class 10:35 er, to their respective class 10:35 like, take water 10:35 i think somewhere in the log you will see my suggestion for a #optionthing to dump item stats so instead of using thought we could just use that command the next time someone saw the issue 10:37 interesting. I don't know the full consequences of that, but it would certainly be interesting to see 10:39 well, if anyone happens to remember a time frame, some dates that I can check irclogs for, I would appreciate the pointer 10:40 there really is no substitute for seeing the reports 10:40 other than a time, space, and consciousness machine that can transport me to the mind of the experiencer 10:41 grep for krm26.*stack.*bug in 2024 :-) 10:41 not going to download all of 2024s irclog, but thanks for the suggestion 10:42 and I do appreciate narrowing down the time frame, to 2024 10:42 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:9807 (1:30:43) 10:42 thank you 10:42 https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack#L7 10:42 read that 10:42 you dont have to light me up dude :-) 10:42 oh god not the etherpad thing 10:42 READ IT 10:42 how? 10:43 what do you mean 'how' ? 10:43 oh you use lynx 10:43 it's obscured by a million pop up windows in the web 2.0 browser i have to resort to, to see anything at all on that page 10:43 one sec 10:44 they're not really pop ups... they're some kind of faux pop up monstrosity 10:44 https://termbin.com/3hv5 10:47 ^ I see a hypothesis of krm26 there 10:47 thank you, k2 10:47 o/ 10:47 tinklebear do you have a modern browser on hot stand-by just in case? 10:48 I use qutebrowser for a few web 2.0 things, yeah 10:48 "modern browser" heh 10:48 :) 10:48 i started using Brave browser a few weeks ago. happy with it 10:49 cool 10:49 i think krm26 uses it too? 10:52 i think i may still have the code somewhere for ejbw, what mosaic was initially called before smarr decided to workshop the project name 10:53 I wonder what ej stands for 10:53 the authors initials, ejb 10:53 ah 10:53 very cool 10:54 every thanksgiving or christmas, depending on when we get together, i roast him about how ineffective he was at scrubbing himself out of the documentation 10:55 although it was more fun in the 2000s when mosaic and netscape were still big things, really just beating a dead horse now 10:55 heh 10:55 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:7517 (1:05:48) 10:57 i miss netscape 4.0 10:58 i miss (1) pre-ad-driven and (2) pre-ai web in general. i still like the internet but the web is a pile of shite 10:58 old an yells at clouds 10:58 mid 90's early 2000's was the best 10:58 for being online 10:58 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7875 (1:08:25) 10:58 everything was so new 10:58 i wish i knew then what i know now. would have saved much more data 11:00 in the back office of a library I worked at in the 90s, I saw what I imagine must have been an artifact trackball 11:00 if they made trackballs like that, I'd use it 11:00 we always had a trackball with our home computer 11:01 never started using a regular mouse until way later 11:03 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:07 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Dru Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:5666 (2:37:17) 11:07 "the web is a pile of shite" 11:07 heh 11:08 I am never sure how someone can be certain their interlocutor knows what subset of the web they are referring to 11:09 but I emphatically do not disagree with the sentiment 11:09 the internet was SO much better before every moron had it on their PHONE all the time 11:10 I mean, youtube comments and things like that weren't completely unreadable due to racism etc. 11:10 weren't they? 11:10 i seem to remember a golden age 11:10 I seem to remember them always being... like getting mind flayed or something 11:11 you may have seen youtube earlier than me, rebatelo 11:11 yeah i guess i meant pre-youtube comments. 11:11 I used to really enjoy usenet 11:11 when it was poppin 11:11 but even the web was great when it was new 11:12 <@Loggers_VIII> even on youtube other social media and there’s been a noticeable and substantial increase in just straight hate in even the past few years 11:12 yeah definitely loggers 11:12 like i said- unreadable today 11:12 <@Loggers_VIII> *youtube and other social media, not youtube other social media and… 11:13 keyboard warriors (on their iphones or generic chinese iphone lookalikes) 11:14 there was a time when it was 90% somewhat intelligent people on the "internet" 11:14 <@Loggers_VIII> people getting very very very comfortable with pseudo-anonymity 11:14 <@Loggers_VIII> hah I would have liked to experience such a thing 11:14 when you had to dial in !! :: old man yells at cloud :: 11:15 i had this shell account at gnu.ai.mit.edu when i was a kid 11:15 and i had a number i could just call with a modem and got a bash prompt 11:15 i used to be able to tell what connection speed you'd get just by listening to the dial up handshake noise 11:15 haha 11:15 so i could telnet, ftp etc. gopher was still a thing (this is pre-web) 11:16 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a copper amulet of reflection, on T:11946 (2:04:41) 11:16 used to get those steelypips spoilers that way 11:16 sounds fun, rebatelo 11:16 I remember that time 11:16 yeah I was just lucky. I wrote them a letter (snail mail) and MIT responded with a login for me 11:16 nice 11:17 yeah so i had a free connection. My father so i was ftp'ing something from Australia and nearly shit a brick 11:17 I struggled to explain that it was free 11:17 he couldn't wrap his head around how it worked etc. 11:17 that sentence got screwed up lol 11:17 <@Loggers_VIII> some of those steelypips spoilers even helped me out on a couple of occasions 11:18 nah, I follow, rebatelo 11:18 Yeah. I didn't ascend back then! I didn't even believe anyone DID ascend but i was just a kid 11:18 the ascension is a lie 11:18 it was like a myth 11:19 I knew about NAO but never did it back then 11:20 i played locally though since rogue days 11:20 (and sucked) 11:20 me too :D 11:20 nice! :) 11:20 it was on this third-hand pc I had 11:21 it had a hard disk drive 11:21 like, wow man 11:21 it's been amazing watching technology advance SO much since those days? And nethack tty is still my favorite game 11:21 like i'm basically still playing rogue 11:21 totally 11:22 oh that's cool tinklebear! It came to you on a used pc? 11:23 yeah! I was like, let's see if there are any games on this thing 11:23 nice! haha 11:23 hm. what's this "rogue" thing? 11:23 that's fate 11:23 :D 11:23 oh i see rogue. yeah oh man it was so fun but hard 11:23 we even had color somehow 11:23 I remember being disappointed that hack was black and white 11:24 but it was just like a few colors I think 11:24 but hack had a pet! lol 11:24 neat 11:24 i remember thinking that was hilarious 11:25 i still do 11:25 * rebatelo looks at his two Kitted-out Titans 11:25 hehe 11:25 cats and dogs are fun though 11:26 I knew i was going to break weaponless if I forged the Harbinger... 11:26 and i'm still gonna be typing w- out of habit 11:27 now we know what it's a harbinger of 11:27 It made me lose motivation to finish the game 11:27 <@Loggers_VIII> I played vanilla briefly as a child and really liked the pets… there was a period when I started up again where I still liked them, but they did whatever the opposite of growing on you is 11:27 heh 11:27 haha i hear that 11:28 I have to be in the right mood for pets. In vanilla i often just ditch the pet on DL 1 11:28 but like in evilhack? They are super fun (and helpful) so i wish I was more patient 11:28 <@Loggers_VIII> course this was much, much later than when you two dinosaurs started :p I didn’t even really start playing earnestly until a few years after 3.6 came out 11:29 yeah same here. I'm talking about playing as a kid but i never even got to the castle until around that time as well (3.6 was out) 11:30 <@Loggers_VIII> I ought to give evilhack pets more of a try, but I don’t really trust stuff unless it’s directly under my control 11:31 <@Loggers_VIII> if I wanna die it better be because I made a mistake, not cuz my pet was being dumb hehe 11:31 you havent lived until youve ridden a pet dragon to max level through the valley 11:31 engulf engulf engulf 11:32 make it a black dragon, and don't have reflection 11:32 that's living 11:32 <@Loggers_VIII> I think usually it’s the opposite, actually 11:33 :D 11:34 heheh 11:48 and we wouldnt have fixed their problem without his access to their code and tools 11:48 @k2 would fog clouds be immune to drawbridges? (asking for a vampire friend) 11:48 i dont think so 11:48 but i dont know entirely for usre 11:50 oh darn. would be cool if forms like bat/fogcloud are *mostly* not useful lategame, but then did still have a few quirky situationally-useful things you could do with them 11:50 I guess slipping through iron bars is strat, that could be handy at the castle 11:50 fog clouds ought to be immune to being crushed by lowering drawbridge 11:50 *ought* to be 11:50 (meaning, IMVHO) 11:51 you can crush fog 11:51 if fog was his enemy conan could crush it 11:51 lol 11:51 I know there are some special cases in the game for 'whirly' monsters but I can't remember what those all are 11:52 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Fem Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:92994 (1 day, 9:25:39) 11:53 I also *feel* like I've seen fog not get crushed by lowering a drawbridge, but I could be imagining this 11:53 should water elementals survive? 11:54 or xorn? 11:54 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Drawbridge#Destruction 11:55 IMVHO, water and air E should survive. but I've not seen it 11:55 phasing saves you. that's about it 11:55 (survive controled lowering, I mean) 11:56 if those are the facts, they seem all wrong 11:56 I doth protest 11:56 heretic! 11:56 infidel! 11:57 X can't use phasing to avoid missile damage 11:57 magic missile is magic 11:57 I did not specify magic ones 11:57 I meant mundane ones 11:57 well by that logic, you should never be able to hit a xorn, ever 11:57 (with anything physical) 11:57 I don't think they should be able to use phasing that way, at all 11:58 so why this special case for exploding drawbridges 11:58 it's some half baked BS 11:58 i dunno. you'd have to ask the devteam 11:58 <@Loggers_VIII> phasing is always going to be inherently inconsistent in order to avoid being the most overpowered property of all time 11:59 i just noticed in unnethack there's a chance a drawbridge will get stuck if you try to open it 11:59 cut down on using it to kill monsters with impunity 11:59 nerfhack does that too 12:00 neato 12:00 :D 12:00 <@Loggers_VIII> evilhack should adopt this change 12:01 i'm a bit dismayed that the company i applied to this morning where i wrote that awesome hilarious cover letter has not contected me yet 12:01 *contacted 12:01 loggers yeah i prob will 12:01 that's originally from SporkHack 12:01 even better 12:02 maybe they're rofling and cannot get up 12:02 maybe 12:02 or maybe they're all like 'who tf is this joker? *DELETE*' 12:02 heh 12:02 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 27095 points, T:8285, killed by a dark elven watchman 12:02 it helps when you dont really care one way or the other 12:03 balance 12:03 plus the booze helps 12:03 and being in bhaak's presence 12:03 :D 12:05 I applied for a job in, like september and then they called me in february and asked a bunch of questions that pretty much rehashed the application 12:06 heh 12:06 what happened? 12:06 they were like, "well, maybe you'll get a call" 12:06 THANKS DICK 12:06 maybe a week later I did get a call, there was no sound, and eventually it hung up 12:06 wow 12:07