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00:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Merc's ghost, the former Heathen, on T:733 (0:04:03)
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00:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2977 (0:21:06)
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00:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a hexagonal amulet on an altar, on T:3718 (0:29:52)
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00:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4327 (0:38:45)
00:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (genetic engineers), on T:4374 (0:39:33)
01:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6048 (0:54:24)
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01:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] HungryMotu (Val Dwa Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Odin, on T:11960 (3:11:51)
01:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 31881 points, T:9983, killed by a death ray
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02:52 <prj2501> im excited to check this out, im a dcss / brogue player
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02:56 <Umbire> Hope you enjoy in that case
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04:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:7428 (3:31:00)
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04:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Dru Gia Mal Neu), 711 points, T:1548, killed by the Goblin King
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07:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 114 points, T:828, killed by a boiling potion
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07:17 <K2> morning
07:18 <VaderFLAG> Morning K2
07:20 <K2> o/
07:23 <Umbire> hi K2 
07:23 <Umbire> bye K2 
07:23 <Umbire> <--- sleepy
07:23 <K2> o/
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07:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 578 points, T:2520, poisoned by a rotted jackal corpse
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07:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10644 (5:28:04)
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08:42 <mobileuser> omg I just found out what "poutine" is
08:42 <mobileuser> I thought it was some kind of soup
08:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2301 (0:11:54)
09:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3178 (0:18:22)
09:07 <Pinkbeast> Tell me you're not from Canada without telling me you're not from Canada :-)
09:16 <mobileuser> heheh
09:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2686 (0:17:04)
09:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Cha) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:2982 (0:20:33)
09:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had a staff of holiness entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:13277 (6:50:44)
09:48 <K2> mobileuser lol
09:48 <K2> i've had authentic poutine several times. its alright
09:48 <K2> imo nothing to get excited about
09:49 <K2> its not bad, but i wouldnt go out of my way for it either
09:51 <mobileuser> ok I'll cancel that flight I booked to canada then :-P
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09:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3772 (0:29:34)
09:53 <K2> heh
09:58 -!- krm26__ is now known as krm26
09:58 <krm26> how to take three different foods that are fine by themselves and make them disgusting
09:59 <krm26> that is a different tradition that what is followed in scotland, where you take several disgusting foods and combine them to make them good
10:01 <mobileuser> haggis hmmm
10:01 <krm26> i dont understand vegan haggis
10:01 <krm26> it isnt like haggis is the best thing ever. it is just the best thing to make out of the meatish crap youve got lying around
10:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Cha) used a forge to create Glamdring, on T:4748 (0:38:19)
10:02 <mobileuser> I like haggis
10:02 <krm26> it is fine
10:02 <Pinkbeast> I'm in Whitby and I've been eating deep-fried haggis
10:03 <krm26> but if instead of offal you had steak, you wouldnt make the steak into haggis :-)
10:03 <mobileuser> pizza haggis mozzarella :-)
10:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Dru Gia Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3444 (1:28:37)
10:05 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> haggis is a food I thought I would hate and then when I tried it it was fine
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10:10 <K2> not fond of eating organs
10:11 <K2> i understand people either love or hate it
10:12 * tinklebear joins to take up the maligned cause of braunschweiger
10:13 <tinklebear> a little goes a long way!
10:13 <tinklebear> it's like lembas
10:14 <Announcy> EvilHack Commits: Fix: Convicts and Infidels felt guilt when making angry shopkeepers h… https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/a575900ddf6a921265c0e397e14d440e50bccb7c
10:15 <tinklebear> grizzy bear just opened an unlocked door
10:15 <K2> wut
10:15 <krm26> just like in real life
10:15 <tinklebear> yeah, it was awesome
10:16 <tinklebear> I mean, I guess I could be mistaken
10:16 <tinklebear> but that's what I think just happened
10:16 <K2> they're flagged as both M1_ANIMAL and M1_NOHANDS
10:17 <K2> are you playing a s druid?
10:17 <K2> as a
10:18 <tinklebear> no
10:18 <tinklebear> it wasn't me
10:19 <tinklebear> I saw a door open, and then I saw a grizzly bear standing in the newly opened door
10:19 <K2> i get that, i'm asking, are you a druid?
10:19 <tinklebear> no, I am a knight
10:19 <K2> ok
10:19 <K2> so in my test game, i have a grizzy in a room only way out is to open this unlocked door
10:20 <K2> *grizzly
10:20 <K2> he's not going for it
10:20 <mobileuser> shapechanger?
10:21 <krm26> is his name yogi
10:22 <tinklebear> er, I'm watching the ttyrec, and I think I misinterpreted what was going on
10:22 <tinklebear> sorry
10:23 <K2> no worries
10:23 <K2> yeah not the grizz
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10:25 <tinklebear> hehe
10:26 <tinklebear> yeah, I opened my own door
10:26 <tinklebear> for some reason I interpreted that to mean that ... some *other* door opened
10:26 <tinklebear> and looked to see which one that could have been
10:27 <tinklebear> saw a warning '3' on the unseen side of another open door,
10:27 <tinklebear> and when the grizzly bear walked through, I thought that's what had happened
10:29 <tinklebear> looking for his picnic basket
10:31 <tinklebear> Darkness swallows the grizzly bear.  "Burrrrp!"
10:31 <tinklebear> woah
10:31 <mobileuser> dramatic
10:32 <tinklebear> entrance, and exit
10:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1342 points, T:2243, killed by Mr. Gaziantep; the shopkeeper, while sleeping
10:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Dru Gia Mal Neu), 2861 points, T:4460, killed by a black unicorn
10:40 <krm26> nooo silly mammoth
10:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 5584 points, T:1634, killed by the Goblin King, while praying
10:43 <krm26> k2: baby dragons dont mind dragonbane?
10:48 <K2> they should
10:48 <K2> they're MH_DRAGON
10:48 <tinklebear> maybe the one in question is blind?
10:49 <bhaak> or it's a rebel
10:49 <K2> it has to see you AND you see it\
10:50 <krm26> maybe they just dont see invis? cuz they were hanging around next to me quite a while
10:50 <K2> @e? baby red dragon
10:50 <Hecubus> baby red dragon (D) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 13 | Spd: 9 | Res: fire | Confer: nothing | MR: 10 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Atk: 6d5 bite physical, 2d6 claw physical, 2d6 claw physical | Align: -4 | genocidable, carnivore, flies, thick hide, infravis
10:50 <krm26> sounds like i should be able to put a blindfold on my dragon and then wear dragonbane
10:50 <K2> baby dragons dont see invis
10:50 <K2> @e? red dragon
10:50 <Hecubus> red dragon (D) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 9 | Res: fire | Confer: fire | MR: 20 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -1 | Atk: 7d6 breath fire, 4d9 bite physical, 4d5 claw physical, 4d5 claw physical, 2d10 engulf digest, 0d1 passive fire | Align: -4 | genocidable, carnivore, flies, thick hide, oviparous, seeinvis, infravis
10:51 <K2> adults do
10:52 <tinklebear> you can photograph it, up close, and it will stay blind until some act of healing unblinds it
10:52 <tinklebear> whether raising it from the dead, or unstoning it, or extra healing, or whatever
10:53 <tinklebear> or I guess if it ate a carrot, but that seem unlikely if not impossible
10:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:975 (0:04:27)
10:53 <tinklebear> have to be adjacent though, I think
10:53 <tinklebear> to blind it permanently
10:54 <tinklebear> afaik
10:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:1229 (0:06:43)
10:55 <bhaak> what do you mean with "see it"? in what instance would a monster see you but not a wielded weapon?
10:56 * tinklebear thinks "it" is the dragon
10:58 <bhaak> oh, I overlooked the second "you"
11:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:417 (0:02:09)
11:02 <bhaak> I almost feared evilhack had invisible objects
11:05 <K2> ugh no
11:06 <bhaak> yeah, I would have been surprised
11:06 <K2> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/allmain.c#L651-L718
11:06 <K2> sorry, it has to see you
11:07 <K2> you dont also have to see it
11:07 <K2> but it has to SEE you, not just sense
11:07 <K2> i cant read my own comments
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11:08 <K2> bhaak I believe I found a bug with convict and hunger
11:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:1472 (0:08:56)
11:08 <K2> gonna hash it out later today. if i'm right, all variants with convict role are affected
11:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1328 points, T:2451, killed by a wand
11:17 <krm26> favorable or unfavorable bug
11:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2957 (0:19:18)
11:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:3408 (0:23:18)
11:31 <rld> <@evil loggers> must be favorable if he’s not telling us :P
11:32 <krm26> time to invalidate all past convict ascensions!
11:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 6640 points, T:5042, killed by a giant watchman
12:04 <rebatelo> +
12:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1610 (0:09:51)
12:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3450 (0:20:07)
12:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:5686 (0:40:58)
12:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] LiamTheDruid (Dru Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:9843 (2:30:33)
12:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Fem Una) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:325 (0:01:38)
12:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 18323 points, T:6416, killed by a giant leech
12:51 <K2> krm26, unfavorable for all roles :)
13:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Fem Una), 1078 points, T:2464, killed by a rothe
13:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Fem Neu), 827 points, T:1988, killed by a goblin shaman
13:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Mal Cha) killed Geryon, on T:51759 (2 days, 13:53:23)
13:10 <tinklebear> should've taken my offer of 3333 zd
13:10 <tinklebear> well, he *did* take it
13:10 <tinklebear> he just didn't leave afterward
13:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:718 (0:02:06)
13:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:959 (0:03:23)
13:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:1163 (0:03:49)
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13:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4921 (0:41:26)
13:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:8540 (0:58:33)
13:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:1605 (0:11:34)
13:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Fem Una), 582 points, T:1614, killed by a giant bat
13:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2951 (0:11:50)
13:24 <K2> ok so this bug doesnt affect other roles thankfully, i thought it did earlier but i must have not been paying attention
13:24 <K2> after much testing - the claim that convicts (and in evilhack, draugr) can go twice as long in a state of hunger before becoming weak is false
13:25 <K2> they go from hungry to weak within 100 turns just like any other race/role
13:25 <K2> (or within 2000 turns with a blessed ring of slow digestion)
13:27 <K2> they also go from weak to fainting within 50 turns just like everyone else as well
13:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:9737 (1:08:48)
13:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible dbanethacker's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:4530 (0:17:54)
13:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6596 (0:54:05)
13:31 <K2> hmm
13:31 <K2> seems to work though in unnethack
13:32 <K2> maybe i broke this when i added draugr
13:33 <K2> yeah the only difference in gethungry() between un and evil is draugr was added
13:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1549 points, T:2888, killed by the Goblin King
13:35 <K2> yup. i broke convict extended hunger when i added draugr race
13:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:7154 (1:00:21)
13:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 4393 points, T:7293, killed by a piranha
13:40 <K2> fixed it
13:41 <K2> so silly
13:42 <mobileuser> \o/
13:42 <K2> I used haggis for my testing
13:43 <Announcy> EvilHack Commits: Fix: proper handling of convict role/draugr race extended hunger. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/ed962fd3be5d71531a70426c1c5c277b76fb33f8
13:43 <mobileuser> if only I'd had some haggis when I did draugr convict, I would have found out
13:43 <K2> :)
13:44 <K2> playing draugr it probably wasnt noticed because you could still start the game and go 750 turns without eating before becoming hungry
13:44 <K2> convicts though, oooof
13:45 <K2> they were cheated out of 150 turns of hunger before fainting
13:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2551 (0:12:14)
13:47 <K2> things i noticed when working on vampire race. spent a LOT of time poking around in eat.c
13:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 16076 points, T:10949, killed by a forest centaur
13:50 <rld> <@evil loggers> omg, that’s so funny
13:51 <rld> <@evil loggers> I’ve died so, so, so many times because of that insanely short turncount until fainting
13:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping an oval amulet on an altar, on T:3997 (0:21:40)
14:02 <K2> what version was draugr introduced? 0.8.4?
14:02 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> yes
14:02 <Announcy> EvilHack Commits: Fix: getting feedback for a monster getting caught in a 'magical expl… https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/01202f2f2262324df7d66265458adfeca4fefb82
14:02 <Announcy> EvilHack Commits: Fix: illithid race players could still use 'psionic wave' if polymorp… https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/9d23e2367e1af24c05ef0ab6e0628cbd89c1ff89
14:02 <K2> ok so since version 0.8.4 convicts have gotten the shaft
14:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible Nightsorrow's ghost, the former Ninja, on T:4815 (0:30:27)
14:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:5041 (0:33:50)
14:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6278 (0:43:19)
14:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a black naga, on T:7004 (0:49:03)
14:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Unga (Cav Dwa Fem Law) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:10529 (4:42:42)
14:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Unga (Cav Dwa Fem Law) had a javelin entrusted to her by Anu, on T:10758 (4:49:34)
14:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Unga (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 23167 points, T:10938, quit
15:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:1705 (0:36:37)
15:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Monk (Mon Hum Fem Law) genocided beholders, on T:91245 (2 days, 4:44:02)
15:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Dru Hum Mal Neu), 1026 points, T:3557, killed by a rabid dog
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15:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) became Thoth's Envoy of Balance, on T:17773 (8:26:17)
15:56 <bhaak> K2: convicts are supposed to be treated poorly, so it was fitting
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16:20 <Arch68> A minor thing, but, read a gravestone in Vecna's graveyard and it said "No matter where I went, here I am.Cfux8xm&|}p`c"
16:21 <Arch68> Is the "Cfux8xm&|}p`c" a programming joke, or a programming bit that should not be present?
16:22 <Arch68> Tried to read read it like a license plate, or whatever you call 1nt3rn3t5p3ak.... but came up with nothing.
16:23 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> gun to my head it’s a joke
16:26 <Arch68> Or, is it the whole, dammit something bad happened and you: "zdlksadp'aietbja;'oibjaeto;ij33-gf,"
16:26 <Arch68> just type a bunch of random characters?
16:27 <Arch68> funny, though, the player has the chance to type after they die.
16:27 <Arch68> always thought it could be interesting to have a parting message
16:27 <Arch68> You die . . .
16:27 <Arch68> Leave parting message? (y/n)
16:28 <aosdict> that sounds like a string that failed to be terminated
16:28 <aosdict> I've seen stuff like that in rumors and bogusmons occasionally
16:28 <aosdict> to be clear it is a bug
16:28 <aosdict> also in xnh you are allowed to write your own epitaph on your gravestone
16:29 <Arch68> fun.
16:30 <Arch68> because sometimes why someone quits or dies sometimes has mystery tied into it
16:30 <Arch68> could be a way to clarify/explain what happened
16:31 <Arch68> a lot of time it is "just -one- more hit" instead of taking other actions.
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16:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Monk (Mon Hum Fem Law) destroyed Charon, on T:91467 (2 days, 5:04:43)
16:34 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I would love to see that xnh thing in more variants
16:35 <Arch68> Monk (Mon Hum Fem Law) had some help in destroying Charon, on T:91467 (2 days, 5:04:43)
16:36 <aosdict> splice has it
16:36 <aosdict> the idea wasn't mine originally, I took the implementation from a 3.4.3 era patch
16:39 <Arch68> the good old days of patches
16:39 <Arch68> there were TONS
16:39 <Arch68> are people still making patches for 3.6.x/3.7.x?
16:39 <Arch68> I'd imagine a lot of the older patches do not even work
16:40 <Arch68> 3.7.x is completely new programming language?
16:40 <aosdict> no the game is still written in C
16:41 <aosdict> but a lot of code has moved around so the patches from 15+ years ago are unlikely to apply cleanly
16:41 <Arch68> oh, thought there was something about LUA.
16:42 <Arch68> oh, nice. (regarding code revision to accommodate patches)
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16:44 <aosdict> I need to correct both of those statements but they left :|
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16:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Fem Neu) destroyed Kas, on T:82632 (1 day, 3:39:02)
16:45 <Arch93> nope. just terrible terrible internet.  :)
16:45 <Arch93> and I misread
16:46 <Arch93> missed the "un"
16:46 <bhaak> there is something about Lua
16:47 <bhaak> Lua is used for the level maps. previously, it was a self developed language.
16:47 <aosdict> and no one is revising the code to accommodate old patches
16:48 <aosdict> if someone wants a patch in/for 3.7 bad enough they'll update it to be a diff from 3.7
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16:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:3276 (0:46:55)
16:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) became literate by engraving "Hello", on T:3301 (0:47:18)
16:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed +2 Grayswandir", on T:3369 (0:48:11)
16:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3534 (0:50:17)
16:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Sam Gia Fem Law) genocided black dragons, on T:58142 (1 day, 17:51:58)
16:58 <K2> bhaak heh
16:58 <K2> aosdict wasnt that rumors/bogusmons funky character thing fixed in 3.7?
17:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3626 points, T:4552, killed by a housecat
17:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Dru Hum Mal Neu), 1095 points, T:3095, killed by an orc shaman
17:21 <Announcy> EvilHack Commits: Fix: underline_peacefuls in wrong spot (options). https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/e610523e3294d66e44576c0eb5386a9e525c648a
17:21 <aosdict> there have been multiple. the one Arch reported may not be that
17:22 <K2> hmm
17:22 <K2> i wonder if there's a char in the epitaph file that can't be read correctly
17:22 <K2> at least I know which one to look at
17:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Sam Gia Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:58576 (1 day, 18:23:16)
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17:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Monk (Mon Hum Fem Law) destroyed Kas, on T:92135 (2 days, 6:09:25)
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17:45 <Arch97>  also not sure if it was seen/noted: had a leprechaun steal The One Ring and it said "The leprechaun steals One Ring!"
17:46 <Arch97> should always be referred to as "The One Ring"?
17:46 <Arch97> and was not sure if it was related to other display/text bugs that others have been reporting
17:47 <aosdict> that's interesting, it is "The One Ring" in artilist.h
17:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] HungryMotu (Val Dwa Mal Neu) had a dwarvish spear entrusted to him by Odin, on T:12504 (3:27:35)
17:48 <Arch97> definitely through me off and made me pause!
17:48 <Arch97> ^threw
17:49 <K2> yeah its noted
17:49 <K2> on the to-do
17:50 <Arch97> K.
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18:28 <tinklebear> mephistopheles resists cold
18:28 * tinklebear doesn't know the lore
18:31 <K2> yeah per lore and such, he has cold res
18:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ohayoSioh (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:891 (0:05:34)
18:34 <tinklebear> fine by me. means I get to procrastinate that lance of cold
18:35 <K2> heh
18:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ohayoSioh (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1674 points, T:1167, killed by a bolt of fire, while sleeping
18:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2064 (0:12:47)
18:50 <Announcy> EvilHack Commits: Accessibility - showdamage, showmondamage options. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/aab9a3fdd08eb4809fd5b6b4819b51d5de1bb933
18:53 <K2> "No matter where I went, here I am." is not in dat/epitaph.txt
18:54 <K2> heh it's in util/makedefs.c
18:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ohayoSioh (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2689 (0:18:11)
18:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ohayoSioh (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (shocking spheres), on T:2747 (0:19:05)
18:59 <bouquet> I love #genocided. Makes possible tracking extiction progress
19:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ohayoSioh (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:3101 (0:20:59)
19:04 <K2> \o/
19:09 <bouquet> 6 down... 800 to go! (or something)
19:09 <K2> hah
19:09 <K2> you got this
19:11 <bouquet> Endurance gaming!
19:12 <K2> 0.9.1 will be out before may 19th
19:12 <K2> ^ this is the deadline i gave to all the variant devs for new versions prior to junethack
19:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Dru Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4096 (1:57:39)
19:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Dru Hum Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4101 (1:58:13)
19:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ohayoSioh (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) stole 534 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Eed-morra's hardware store, on T:6001 (0:47:04)
19:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ohayoSioh (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 11967 points, T:6014, killed by Ms. Ardjawinangun; the shopkeeper, while sleeping
19:29 <Announcy> EvilHack Commits: Fix: 'The leprechaun steals One Ring!'. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/2db2a6acd0ac6194671874419cb78c612bfd730a
19:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Mal Cha) killed Mephistopheles, on T:53321 (2 days, 16:49:42)
19:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1258 (0:07:09)
19:36 <K2> hahah
19:36 <K2> i see how this happened - https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack#L7
19:36 <K2> 'The iron golem is melting! The fire doesn't seem to burn the iron golem!'
19:37 <K2> in mondata.c the routine on_fire() describes what happens to various monsters if attacked with fire
19:37 <K2> iron golem is in that routine
19:37 <K2> which is fine, except iron golems are fire resistant
19:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ohayoSioh (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3312 (0:14:18)
19:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ohayoSioh (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3434 (0:15:18)
19:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ohayoSioh (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:3759 (0:18:05)
19:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Fem Una), 2810 points, T:3100, killed by a soldier ant
19:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +5 bone large splint mail of telepathy", on T:58601 (1 day, 18:37:32)
19:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 vorpal blade", on T:58638 (1 day, 18:40:33)
19:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:967 (0:05:43)
19:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Mal Una) performed his first genocide (creeping mounds), on T:1037 (0:06:31)
20:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ohayoSioh (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5025 (0:34:43)
20:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ohayoSioh (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a magical gray stone on an altar, on T:5687 (0:39:13)
20:13 <K2> oh i get it. feedback is correct actually
20:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ohayoSioh (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) stole 1575 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Gweebarra's rare books, on T:6253 (0:47:12)
20:15 <K2> hmm no
20:15 <K2> looks like in 3.7 iron golem was removed
20:16 <K2> or maybe i had added iron golem to on_fire() a long time ago and didnt realize
20:16 <K2> huh
20:18 <Announcy> EvilHack Commits: Fix: 'The iron golem is melting! The fire doesn't seem to burn the ir… https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/37cd164991cad487b98d99315b76ca4263fb76c3
20:19 <K2> iron golem isnt in 3.6 on_fire() either
20:20 <K2> i wonder how that got in there, must have been a long time ago
20:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 567 points, T:919, killed by hallucinogen-distorted Gollum, while sleeping off a magical draught
20:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 193 points, T:704, killed by a locust
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20:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ohayoSioh (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 18541 points, T:8797, killed by a dark elven arrow
20:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 dragonhide t-shirt of decay", on T:88882 (21:21:51)
20:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Mal Una), 10668 points, T:5237, killed by a dark elven crossbow bolt
20:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 28 points, T:94, killed by a water moccasin
20:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 dragonhide bracers of ESP", on T:89141 (21:30:49)
20:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Mal Una), 585 points, T:731, killed by a gnome lady
21:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1374 (0:11:46)
21:18 <dingotron> ok. so still confused about the behavior of off-hand artifacts. Why is it that Staff of Archmagi, when wielded in off-hand does give Light, does give magic resistance but does NOT give spell casting bonuses?
21:18 <dingotron> Is that intended? 
21:19 <dingotron> As a player, it's hard to reason with what artifact aspects will work and which wont depending on primary or second hand when two-weaponing. Unless that's just a bug?
21:21 <tinklebear> "two outa three ain't bad"
21:24 <dingotron> ha. What say you @k2 ?
21:33 <krm26> knew it...first full healing at vecna gives me a wish instead of full healing :-(
21:33 <krm26> i wish for my goddamn full healing you bastard
21:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Fem Neu) wished for "blessed figurine of an archon", on T:83600 (1 day, 4:26:13)
21:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Fem Neu) genocided gelatinous cubes, on T:83762 (1 day, 4:32:25)
21:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Fem Neu) destroyed Vecna, on T:83771 (1 day, 4:32:48)
21:41 <krm26> omigod that was close
21:42 <krm26> 8 potions of paralysys, 6 full healing, an entire wand of teleportation, and a clutch genocide to avoid suffocating to death
21:47 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> it sounds to me like a bug honestly dingotron
21:47 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I don’t see a reason why it wouldn’t give the spellcasting benefits…
21:47 <krm26> i could see it either way; need to use it "properly" for spellcasting benefits
21:47 <K2> dingotron it's because in percent_success() the various staff bonuses, it checks against wielding them in primary
21:47 <krm26> will have to wait for k2's commentary
21:48 <krm26> ^ and there it is!
21:48 <K2> and that's by design
21:53 <dingotron> @k2 is there an in-game logic for the design? (e.g. that also generalizes to other artifact behaviors)
21:54 <K2> 'by design' I mean it's that way on purpose
21:54 <K2> plus its not an artifact behavior, it's the base object for the staff behavior
21:55 <dingotron> ah so base object behaviors are treated differently
21:56 <K2> so in include/artilist.h that file has all of the artifact templates. it determines what special properties and abilities an artifact has, can impart to you when worn/carried, etc
21:56 <K2> the spell percentage bit has nothing to do with the staff of the archmagi being an artifact
21:57 <K2> the staff spell percentage bits happens here - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/spell.c#L2663-L2701
21:57 <dingotron> As a player I don't mind one way or the other, but it's preferable if the behavior of different items is hopefully predictable/intuitive. 
21:58 <K2> the base object for the SotA is an ashwood staff
21:58 <K2> technically you could wish up an ashwood staff and get all the spell bonuses
21:58 <K2> without ever forging the actual artifact
21:58 <K2> ... i've said too much :P
21:59 <K2> i should change uwep->otyp == ASHWOOD_STAFF to uwep->oartifact == STAFF_OF_THE_ARCHMAGI there
21:59 <dingotron> Like I just burned a wish on vorpal blade as insurance against vorpal J's, but now I need to puzzle if the vorpal protection will work just as well if it's in second slot (without learning the hard way!)
22:00 <K2> it will
22:00 <dingotron> whew
22:00 <K2> i think. lemme verify
22:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:84423 (1 day, 4:52:48)
22:01 <K2> yup it will
22:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:84424 (1 day, 4:52:58)
22:01 <dingotron> nice
22:03 <krm26> ugh i really need slotless mr
22:03 <K2> but yeah the staff of <spell school> giving a bonus to casting success, they were always meant to work in primary hand, never secondary
22:04 <krm26> i wish the of <spell school> bonus was slightly better than the universal sota bonus
22:04 <krm26> or the sota bonus was slightly worse
22:04 <K2> why
22:04 <krm26> because i pity the already sad and lonely spell school staffs
22:04 <dingotron> These questions become important for races with limited equipment/armor slots. As you find yourself trying to use two-weaponing as ways to creatively cover for extra extrinsics/abilities that are hard to stuff into your build otherwise.
22:04 <K2> other players use them and are happy to have them krm26 :)
22:05 <krm26> they just sit in the corner once you make the sota tho
22:05 <K2> yeah and that's fine
22:05 <krm26> i think i gotta wish up the pyec or im definitely gonna die in lava
22:05 <K2> the sota gets all the bonuses because its the sota
22:06 <K2> silly
22:06 <krm26> so it happened once already this run k2, i needed a full healing at vecna and instead got a smoky wish...almost bit
22:07 <K2> i saw
22:07 <dingotron> did you wish for potions of full healing? lol
22:07 <krm26> that wouldnt have helped, i got an archon to stick in my bag
22:07 <krm26> which also didnt help
22:08 <krm26> but at least it is an archon
22:08 <krm26> k2, a humanoid pet should be able to cut off its hand and use the hand of vecna
22:08 <K2> nope, too OP
22:09 <K2> monsters tame or otherwise will not use vecna parts
22:09 <dingotron> my current run, stupid potions of xhealing are milky. Twice in the early game I got ghosts when I really needed to heal my HP!
22:09 <K2> ooof
22:09 <krm26> at least that only happens in the early run before the ghosts run out
22:09 <K2> i'd rather have smoky than milky for healing
22:10 <krm26> you would have to have my luck to ever get a ghost from a milky potion after the first vecna level
22:10 <K2> surprised no one commented on the showdamage commit
22:10 <K2> figured you all would be all excited about that one
22:11 <dingotron> I need to subscribe to commits. I didn't see that one.
22:12 <K2> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commits/master/
22:12 <K2> dingotron did you see new race added?
22:13 <dingotron> I did not
22:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased platinum yendorian express card", on T:84437 (1 day, 5:05:14)
22:13 <dingotron> vampires!
22:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Fem Neu) killed Twoflower, on T:84442 (1 day, 5:05:28)
22:13 <dingotron> holy crap you've been busy
22:14 <K2> :)
22:14 <K2> gearing up for 0.9.1 release in a couple weeks
22:15 <dingotron> ha on "showdamage" I totally misread that at first as "shadowmage", and I'm like ooh what's a Shadow Mage, those sound badass! 
22:15 <krm26> i think im gonna make annihilation to give to this archon
22:16 <dingotron> better keep that archon friendly! ;)
22:17 <dingotron> So anyway @k2 now you need to add Shadow Mages to the game 
22:17 <K2> hah no :)
22:18 <dingotron> (or maybe that's just what we should nickname drowish wizards)
22:18 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I think there’s room to work with some darkness/death magic themed demon, but it may be cliche
22:19 <K2> oh this reminds me
22:19 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> dnh has ancients of death which are interesting
22:19 <K2> i have ONE more new spell in the works
22:19 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> dnh has a verrryyyyyyy interesting Gehennom. the hell vaults are a concept I would love to see executed in other variants
22:19 <K2> and it's actually based off of an offhand comment you made several days ago loggers :P
22:19 <krm26> bigby's fapping hand
22:20 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> ohoho, is that so :)
22:20 <K2> ok TWO new spells
22:20 <K2> lol
22:20 <krm26> create even more grass
22:20 <K2> https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack#L39
22:21 <krm26> as long as it doesnt lock you in place while everything goes to crap to simulate "channeling"
22:21 <K2> while doing that, i'm gonna redo some of the clerical spell levels too
22:21 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I am very interested in this spell
22:21 <dingotron> @krm26 speaking of keeping pets. So I screwed up wishing for vorpal blade. I thought, this game I am not going to let anything cut my head off. I better wish for vorpal blade so I have control of it and it's safely in my bag. Anyway, I forgot that when you wish for a 3rd artifact, it's going to come with a high level player monster who is wielding it...
22:21 <K2> weee
22:21 <krm26> swap create familiar and create monster spell levels?
22:22 <K2> i dunno for sure yet
22:22 <K2> not that prob
22:22 <krm26> uh oh dingotron
22:22 <K2> but there's a gap in spell levels
22:22 <dingotron> And then I was like. Oh. Damn. This is NOT what I meant by keeping myself safe from being vorpal'ed. 
22:22 <K2> clerical spells they're either low level or very high level
22:22 <krm26> create familiar is a blah spell that doesnt deserve to be that high level
22:22 <krm26> move it mid and replace it with dispel evil
22:22 <K2> turn undead should be lower imo
22:23 <K2> brb
22:23 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> xnethack does level 2 turn undead which is fine
22:23 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> wait, create familiar is clerical? what’s the logic in that?
22:23 <dingotron> I finally got the player monsters but not before my poor pet balrog got decapitated :(
22:23 <krm26> what is evil now? pro 1, create mon 2, uncurse 3, familiar 6, undead 7?
22:24 <krm26> what am i missing in the middle?
22:24 <dingotron> @k2 yes! on sorting out clerical spells. that spell school does need rebalancing
22:24 <krm26> alas for create food and water
22:24 <krm26> or good ol' bless
22:25 <dingotron> Bless would need to be a high level spell I think
22:25 <krm26> sanctuary would be a good mid-range spell
22:26 <krm26> bless? bless is just a bonus to attack and saves, not as worthwhile in nethack as in pen and paper
22:26 <krm26> sanctuary would be cool, like a mini elbereth -- make like the 8 squares around you behave like an aligned temple for a period of time (if not in gehennom)
22:26 <dingotron> ah, I thought like potion of holy water
22:27 <krm26> now command drop, that would be awesome
22:27 <krm26> begone bullwhips
22:27 <krm26> or inflict wounds for players too
22:27 <dingotron> spell to turn bullwhips into rubber hoses lol.
22:27 <dingotron> very situational
22:27 <krm26> there being some kind of combat clerical spell would be neat...inflict wounds or hold person
22:28 <krm26> or SILENCE
22:28 <krm26> love to cast silence on a ki-rin
22:28 <krm26> although i guess those buggers probably dont use verbal components
22:29 <krm26> could get dispel magic along with dispel evil
22:30 <krm26> strip away those reflecting bubbles
22:30 <krm26> or oooh, freedom of movement, free up a ring slot
22:31 <dingotron> cool idea. I have def discovered since 0.9 that sonic attacks are suddenly a big deal! and a spell to counter that could be neat
22:31 <krm26> the counter for sonics is a dragonhide toque of (property of your choice)
22:31 <dingotron> or like a time-limited protection spell against stunning/confusion in general? 
22:32 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> clear thoughts or something
22:33 <dingotron> ya
22:42 <K2> we only have room for 1-2 more spells tops
22:42 <K2> then we're maxed out
22:44 <K2> current clerical spell levels are the same as vanilla
22:57 <Announcy> EvilHack Commits: Place forged quality bits into struct obj as defines. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/85972e4d97f2f9199a2b97187027e7e42ef88334
22:58 <K2> and ya know what's really cool? I used the recent showdamage/showmondamage code to verify inferior/superior/exceptional damage still worked :P
22:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:59201 (1 day, 19:56:59)
23:04 <dingotron> damnit Gauntlets of Purity where you been all my nethack career. Orcus is SO MUCH easier. like ezpz and I still have all my hitpoints
23:21 <tinklebear> a "focus" is an object that aids spellcasting
23:22 <tinklebear> its manner of operation is on the tin. it helps the caster focus
23:22 <tinklebear> it makes a lot of sense that your focus needs to be in your primary hand
23:22 <tinklebear> if you want the benefit of focus, at least
23:26 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I think the “focus” aspect usually refers not to the mental state of the caster but to the literal focusing of magic energy through the staff to create a more powerful effect
23:27 <tinklebear> sure. from caster, through the focus
23:28 <tinklebear> the main hand restriction remains the sensible
23:28 <tinklebear> thing
23:29 <tinklebear> the off-hand is, by definition, not the main hand. it's not in focus
23:29 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I think you are putting a little too much emphasis on the whole focus thing. the term isn’t even used in game
23:30 <tinklebear> it is implemented in the game though
23:30 <tinklebear> in the way just described
23:31 <tinklebear> and that is all that matters
23:31 <tinklebear> you can "show, don't tell"
23:32 <tinklebear> I read in backscroll some fretting over whether we'll ever really know what works in offhand and what doesn't
23:33 <tinklebear> well, focus objects don't work in offhand. it's rational. it's not arbitrary
23:33 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> it kinda is arbitrary cuz there’s so many magical things that do give effects in the offhand
23:34 <tinklebear> are they focus objects? is that their function?
23:34 <tinklebear> its a game filled with magic shit
23:34 <tinklebear> but most magic shit is not focus
23:34 <tinklebear> work with me
23:35 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I can understand your point, but I think it would be more interesting if they did function in the offhand tbh
23:36 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> only giants can make use of it anyway
23:36 <tinklebear> seems to create interesting choices as it stands
23:36 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> the idea of “giant samurai who uses a big sword in main hand and a staff in the offhand to allow for limited spellcasting” is interesting to me
23:37 <tinklebear> how about the same samurai who does that, but swaps around to cast
23:37 <tinklebear> also interesting
23:38 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> though in reality, it doesn’t matter and this discussion is kind of meaningless. that samurai can just wield the staff in main hand and big sword in the off hand with no functional difference
23:38 <tinklebear> not sure that's true
23:38 <tinklebear> shattering blow requires main hand?
23:38 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> you can perform a shattering blow with a staff
23:38 <tinklebear> skill matters
23:38 <tinklebear> for shattering blow, I believe
23:39 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> if you’re twoweaponing your skill is limited to your lowest skill of the two, so your shattering blow will always rely on your quarterstaff skill regardless of whether your main is sword or staff
23:40 <tinklebear> hm. that sounds right
23:41 <tinklebear> my samurai would probably carry two swords, plus the staff for special occasions
23:41 <tinklebear> but what do I know?
23:41 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> i just wouldn’t use the staff
23:41 <tinklebear> sounds good
23:41 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> so what do I know either
23:41 <tinklebear> you pay the fare, and get the ride, or you don't
23:42 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I’m very stingy when it comes to putting effort into my weapon management
23:42 <tinklebear> makes sense. your focus is elsewhere
23:43 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> yeah. I don’t wanna take too much time swapping. plus I’m stupid and end up using my utility weapon as my kill guys weapon for 5k turns without realizing
23:44 <tinklebear> ha
23:44 <tinklebear> :D
23:50 <tinklebear> oh, by the way
23:50 <tinklebear> "It smells kinda funky in here" is the message for when blowing up a magic trap causes hallucination
23:50 <tinklebear> when you are blind
23:51 <K2> :)
23:51 <K2> think belly button lint
23:51 <K2> that kinda funky
23:51 <tinklebear> heh
23:51 <K2> speaking of funky smells. I had to clean two septic filters today
23:52 <tinklebear> eurgh
23:52 <K2> septic tank for our own home, and then the main juntion point where 6 homes (including ours) ties into a giant leech field
23:52 <K2> the latter was uuuuugh
23:52 <NetSysFire> hope you had sickness resistance or at least a tin of green dragon
23:53 <K2> i've smelled a lot worse
23:53 <tinklebear> thank you for your service
23:53 <K2> heh
23:53 <K2> but gdamn i do not like this chore
23:53 <K2> luckily its only 2x a year
23:53 <NetSysFire> since summer is approaching fast, theres going to be fun cat smells in the shelter, too when they cats have diarrhea, which is quite common
23:53 <tinklebear> :(
23:55 <NetSysFire> vaguely related cat https://0x0.st/X3Ms.mp4
23:56 <NetSysFire> they always have a radio running so the cats arent getting bored to death in those awful cages, so theres less monotony
23:57 <K2> i need to get to sleep. gnite o/
23:57 <NetSysFire> gee, you were offered a tin of orange dragon and still refused
23:57 <NetSysFire> some people
23:58 <tinklebear> good night, K2