00:08 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 5186 points, T:3861, killed by a mastodon 00:12 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:121 (0:00:57) 00:12 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 47 points, T:121, killed by a water demon 00:26 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1809 (0:14:24) 00:44 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 7 silver arrows on an altar, on T:3616 (0:32:18) 00:59 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 01:02 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:5307 (0:49:54) 02:20 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 04:14 oh wow, magic detection just detected Vorpal Blade in the VotD 04:35 ...secured! 04:38 nice 05:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:54408 (1 day, 4:28:34) 05:28 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:29 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:15 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:15 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 06:22 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Tal'Gath, on T:54634 (1 day, 4:45:29) 06:26 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (beholders), on T:54642 (1 day, 4:47:24) 06:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:54832 (1 day, 4:54:55) 06:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:54855 (1 day, 4:56:09) 07:09 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest7796 07:09 -!- Guest7796 has quit [Killed (molybdenum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 07:09 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 07:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1136 (0:13:06) 07:37 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:48 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:51 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:56 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2603 (0:39:35) 07:57 -!- tsadok is now known as jonadab 08:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 oilskin toque", on T:55664 (1 day, 5:44:55) 08:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4479 (1:18:38) 08:42 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:44 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Fem Neu), 6483 points, T:4911, killed by a soldier ant 09:02 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:11 [hdf-us] [evil] msbqqq (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:23687 (9:41:07) 09:33 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 291 points, T:1228, killed by a kobold zombie 09:41 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:63442 (10:13:07) 10:01 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1016 (0:07:39) 10:10 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Fem Una) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2281 (0:17:01) 10:17 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:21 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Fem Una), 3807 points, T:3382, killed by a mastodon 10:30 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1388 (0:08:58) 11:01 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Mal Una) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:4079 (0:39:58) 11:06 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Mal Una), 3144 points, T:4438, killed by a tortle priest of Athena 11:09 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Fem Una), 232 points, T:498, killed by a hobbit 11:14 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 11:34 I try to avoid acquiring see invisible, so that peacefuls like shopkeepers and quest guardians don't turn themselves invisible 11:34 but now there is an invisible peaceful NPC wizard on home 1 11:35 and it occurs to me: this has always been possible 11:35 you cannot avoid invisible peacefuls this way 11:35 there will always be the occasional peaceful NPC who is invisible 11:35 and when there is, it will often be a spellcaster 11:37 this also possibly explains a somewhat bewildering YASD, also on home 1, maybe a year or so ago 11:37 when I bumped into something invisible that "got angry" and then touch-of-deathed me 11:38 I imagined I might have unknowingly had see invisible there at some point... 11:38 ...but now I understand that that isn't even necessary 11:38 you don't really have control over this 11:48 I wonder if Zaknafein the peaceful invisible Magician would mind if I turned his marble wand into a meat stick? 11:50 don't want to murder king arthur and his entire retinue just yet, so I guess I won't try 11:51 [hdf-us] [evil] msbqqq (Val Cen Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +5 Giantslayer", on T:26373 (10:36:03) 11:52 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:1522 (0:08:28) 11:54 [hdf-us] [evil] msbqqq (Val Cen Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:26398 (10:39:13) 11:57 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1905 (0:13:27) 11:59 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Mal Una), 435 points, T:1090, killed by a little dog 12:14 [hdf-us] [evil] msbqqq (Val Cen Fem Neu) used a forge to create Harbinger, on T:27176 (10:59:31) 12:25 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5371 (0:41:54) 12:25 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5377 (0:42:06) 12:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1814 (0:04:10) 12:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1928 (0:04:44) 12:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) had a silver spear entrusted to him by Odin, on T:11250 (2:51:42) 12:39 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 12:40 it's so annoying that water is "safe" for tortles for teleportation purposes. got teleported into water and got my books blanked 12:47 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a mumak), on T:7735 (1:03:21) 12:47 at least you start with an oilskin sack 12:47 swapped to a boh :P 12:48 that'll go in an oilskin sack too 12:48 i can't be bothered to take it out every time i want to put something in or out 12:48 too tedious 12:49 i think it would be fine for teleport to dump you in water or lava irregardless 12:49 there isn't much lava, and most water you can crawl out of 12:49 turns teleport traps into occasional instakill traps. i'm not a fan 12:50 we already have spiked pits for that 12:50 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 12:50 oh goddammit, i died in creature form - can't wait to spend the next couple thousand turns doing jack shit 12:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:5232 (0:24:02) 12:51 thank god for werebane! 12:52 i hate that thing even more now that it costs me an altar 12:52 at least let me invoke it to stun all lycanthropes within los or something that, if not useful, is cool 12:52 it's funny that druid gets a first gift that's like an active detriment 12:55 I wish there were ways to mitigate the insanely long wait time you get if you die in wildshape 12:55 like count it as a prayer trouble or something 12:55 tinklebear that surprises me, I would have thought NPCs only make themselves invisible if you can see invisible 12:55 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (genetic engineers), on T:8352 (1:11:44) 12:56 also, we may have a double mcenroe now 12:57 oh lord, creeping mound 12:57 wand of speed monster got me out of that 12:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed +3 exceptional silver saber of shock named Cool Werebane", on T:7569 (0:31:20) 12:58 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:8465 (1:15:04) 12:59 nice, orc temple 13:00 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:8700 (1:16:57) 13:03 what the heck is a "double mcenroe"? I think I've heard the phrase before but can't find an explanation. Both players argue with the line judge? 13:05 idk i just figured it was too high class of a quip for my feeble mind 13:06 I'm more of a pickleball guy anyway. Is there a McEnroe equivalent? 13:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8974 (0:39:17) 13:08 bouquet search yesterday's irclog for "mcenroe" ;-) 13:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Fem Neu) had a spellbook given to her by Silvanus, on T:9600 (0:41:15) 13:09 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) had a scimitar entrusted to him by Odin, on T:12672 (3:27:23) 13:09 for the record, this was a spellbook of polymorph 13:09 can i just have some new bracers maybe silvanus? 13:13 aha! 13:14 loggers: i have previously suggested death wildshape timer be a minor trouble, not sure what k2 thought about it tho 13:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Fem Neu) became Silvanus' Envoy of Balance, on T:12824 (0:46:24) 13:19 this is a good start. fuck tortle speed though, wow 13:19 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:28 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:11679 (1:35:22) 13:39 we had a black bear near the house last night, visted our neighbors property. they got it on video (security cam) 13:39 we've been here since 2011 and have never seen a bear here in person. everyone else has 13:39 in person as in here in the neighborhood 13:39 sad face 13:40 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:41 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:43 maybe if you didnt encourage us all to kill grizzly bears in your game. they have you on a list now 13:45 heh 13:46 they don't want to catch your cough, K2 13:46 no medicaid 13:46 LIES 13:46 hehe 13:46 we're a cold/flu free house now 13:47 that is good to hear 13:47 :D 13:47 have been for a few weeks now 13:47 \o/ 13:47 so... LIES 13:48 HAX 13:48 the bears are searching for werebane 13:48 because it is awesome 13:48 it *is* awesome 13:49 * tinklebear covets werebane 13:49 i enjoy seeing the occasional loggers whine post :) 13:49 not really. i take no joy from it 13:49 when jesus is sad, we're all sad 13:50 doesn't like oilskin sacks, doesn't like silver sabers 13:51 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:51 doesnt like oilskin sacks? wut? 13:51 yeah, tosses it away soon as he gets a bag of holding, apparently 13:52 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:52 smh 13:52 maybe a high-end speed demon thing or something 13:53 I don't use altars unless I'm completely messing around 13:53 so my opinion of werebane is probably not representative 13:54 but, like, I'd be happy to get it as a druid 13:54 I probably play a crap druid game, though 13:57 mobileuser: I think Zaknafein the peaceful invisible Magician generated with cloak of invisibility 13:57 aha! 13:57 how rude not to take it off as peaceful 13:57 hehe 13:58 you might be right about NPCs taking action to turn themselves invisible though 13:59 if my strat for a particular game was to rock grayswandir, but i got werebane first, i'd be a happy camper 13:59 train up saber skill until i got g-money 13:59 and then dual wield gray/were 14:00 dual silver ultra damage to demons and certain undead 14:01 in fact, a druid with grayswandir would be awesome 14:02 I was not aware druids can dual-wield, and I think I even checked 14:03 they cant 14:03 but druid + grayswandir = awesome still 14:03 oh. elven king style then? 14:03 what is elven king style 14:03 polyform that can dual wield, I believe 14:03 oh i gotcha 14:03 but yeah i see what you meant 14:04 discussing possibilities for different games 14:06 !who 14:06 tinklebear: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-us] tinklebear [evil] DragonSidedD [evil] dbanethacker [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players 14:12 I don't know what pickelball is, bouquet, but apparently Ivan Lendl plays it 14:13 okay, I've read a little of the wikipedia article 14:14 how is it not dollar store badminton? 14:14 like, why not just play badminton? 14:15 I must be missing something 14:17 when covid hit, pickleball exploded 14:17 i guess 14:17 i've never played it, nor do I have any desire to do so 14:19 guess we know who planned the covid thing then 14:19 finally found cui bono 14:20 they always had it in for badminton 14:24 <@Loggers_VIII> pickleball is way different from badminton 14:24 <@Loggers_VIII> mostly just because of the fact that it’s a ball and not a birdie 14:25 <@Loggers_VIII> I’m a much bigger fan of badminton, but while playing either sport I can feel myself slowly gentrifying. like golf, but to a lesser extent 14:25 i cant stand golf 14:26 golf seems like a game you'd make up when you were a kid trying to have fun alone with a stick 14:27 One of our mayoral candidates wants to turn a lot of our city-owned golf courses into housing, one of the best ideas I've heard from a pol in a while 14:27 * tinklebear sticks to croquet, the People's ball game 14:28 <@Loggers_VIII> such a self-indulgent, glorified status indicator of a sport golf is 14:28 I was interested in trying out pickleball until I heard there's a lot of bending over and my back said nothankyou 14:28 lol 14:28 :) 14:37 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:37 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 14:43 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3032 (0:29:17) 14:53 just noting that in scotland, golf is a very popular non-elite sport. not that I play it :-) 14:55 isnt scotland the home of golf? 14:55 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1060 (0:06:16) 15:03 -!- Arch18 has joined #evilhack 15:03 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 15:03 <@Loggers_VIII> another case of americans ruin everything? 15:03 it is K2 15:03 Is it a known fact that the stacking bug occurs in vanilla as well? 15:04 <@Loggers_VIII> does it occur in vanilla? I’ve never seen it there at all 15:04 have uncursed lizards that will not stack\ 15:04 I don't think so Loggers, golf seems to be pretty elite everywhere else 15:04 <@Loggers_VIII> because they’re different gender probably arch18 15:04 and there are not fireproof lizards, are there? 15:04 <@Loggers_VIII> if this is vanilla 15:04 you can fooproof corpses 15:04 they show up as 'preserved' 15:04 it dies that now --- gendered corpses?! holy crap. 15:05 what an oddity. 15:05 <@Loggers_VIII> if it’s vanilla, yeah 15:05 but a freshly killed corpse will not be preserved, correct? 15:05 <@Loggers_VIII> male/female corpses don’t stack in 3.7 15:06 and if you formally identify it it will label that accordingly? 15:06 <@Loggers_VIII> if a freshly killed corpse stacks with a previously killed corpse it adopts the age of previously killed one 15:06 <@Loggers_VIII> I don’t know if that formally identifies it 15:06 <@Loggers_VIII> er, I don’t know if it shows up on formal id, rather 15:06 oh, I know that., and NEVER cared for the merging of fresh wih old 15:06 have dies couple of times due to that 15:06 ^died 15:06 "The weredemon is killed by the death ray!" still looks strange when that happens 15:08 Well, OK was thinking I had info that could help the stacking bug. Oh well. Darn. Thanks for the info, Loggers. 15:08 <@Loggers_VIII> sure. that confused me too when I was playing vanilla a few months ago 15:08 honestly think that is another one of the unnecessary changes just to make a change 15:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 6964 points, T:2733, killed by a gas spore's explosion 15:09 been hearing oh so much about 3.7.x thought I'd give a whirl 15:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Kas, on T:57353 (1 day, 7:25:10) 15:09 I've palyed it before, but it has changed _massively_ since I've last played 15:10 <@Loggers_VIII> I like it because I can sometimes sacrifice lizards without having to drop my perma lizard corpse 15:10 ascended 3.6.x, and did not care for a lot of those changes 15:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:1148 (0:26:50) 15:10 <@Loggers_VIII> 3.7 has many many many differences. fairly major content and balance changes 15:11 so you name your corpses after checking it with stetho? 15:11 things automatically stack 15:12 the comparing them thing 15:12 which is a nice change. nice to have stacking daggers. 15:12 but anyways ----- 15:12 <@Loggers_VIII> that stacking change is great. evilhack is overdue for it 15:12 do not want to pollute the Evil IRC with vanilla. 15:12 <@Loggers_VIII> just eliminates tedium 15:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1631 (0:29:06) 15:13 yeah, of which, I am noticeing GREATLY how good a job Evil does at that! :) 15:13 So many QOL and things Evil does I am missing! 15:13 ^noticing 15:14 <@Loggers_VIII> evilhack is actually nicehack in a lot of ways 15:14 you shut your whore mouth 15:14 :P 15:14 was surprised to see a rope golem drop a leash and bullwhip! 15:14 Evil needs that! 15:15 also a bale of hay for me horsies. 15:15 makes grass, wants hay 15:15 heh 15:16 You destroy the straw golem! The saddled barded warhorse eats the bale of hay." 15:16 in all seriousness, yeah evilhack does have some nice stuff 15:16 <@Loggers_VIII> lol k2 15:16 gotta have the sweet to appreciate the sour (evil) 15:17 there's gonna be a rather big commit coming today or tomorrow 15:17 hopefully today 15:17 <@Loggers_VIII> I can see it in my mind’s eye 15:17 been working on this for a week 15:18 i wanna say what it is but i cant sssshhhh 15:18 it's a surprise! 15:18 for 0.9.1? 15:19 yup 15:20 <@Loggers_VIII> everyone knows it will be giant ant lion 15:20 [hdf-us] [evil] LiamTheDruid (Dru Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1852 (0:28:02) 15:20 heh thanks for reminding me about that 15:21 <@Loggers_VIII> I guess my shot in the dark wasn’t totally fruitless :p 15:22 I am not actually sure if Vecna wakes up if you apply Gjallar 15:22 I think I remember he doesn't, but that could be costly mistake 15:22 <@Loggers_VIII> it can wake him 15:23 <@Loggers_VIII> oh, apply? I couldn’t say 15:23 <@Loggers_VIII> the invoke def does 15:23 like in make the sound 15:23 -!- Arch18 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:23 invoking levelports you 15:23 maybe I'm confusing him with rodney... 15:24 <@Loggers_VIII> I have no idea how gjallar works apparently 15:24 it's a tooled horn 15:24 <@Loggers_VIII> I’m like fairly certain it wakes him 15:24 <@Loggers_VIII> krm26 has mentioned it 15:24 <@Loggers_VIII> I thought it was invoke for earthquake for some reason… 15:25 yeah but I don't know if he actually used it on vecna 15:27 oh fuck I'm making a total mess of this 15:27 -!- Arch35 has joined #evilhack 15:27 yup he does wake up 15:29 well I levelported out of there before I really got stuck in summoned monsters with all the covetous warpers still alive 15:30 so you name your corpses after checking it with stetho? <-- not quite sure what this is about, but naming a corpse (or a stack of them) is quite different from naming a stack of daggers 15:30 I doubt it will accomplish what you expect 15:31 but don't let me keep you from experimenting 15:31 corpses are now gendered in vanilla 15:32 <@Loggers_VIII> it’s with reference to 3.7 mechanics differentiating corpses by gender 15:32 yeah. that's true 15:32 just, when you discover that corpses don't work like daggers, know that it is not a bug 15:32 in a effort to keep them from fresh and old 15:32 male/female 15:32 <@Loggers_VIII> I don’t understand what you’re implying lol tinklebear 15:32 naming any corpse will prevent it from stacking with any other corpse that is not already named the same 15:32 that is very unlike the way named daggers work 15:32 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah? 15:32 yes 15:33 yeah, I use that in Slash'EM for fungi farming 15:33 <@Loggers_VIII> no, like, I already know this. the question mark is like, why is this significant 15:33 <@Loggers_VIII> I may be slow 15:33 for vegans and herbivore steeds especially 15:34 loggers: so you name your corpses after checking it with stetho? 15:34 no, just name them 15:34 a group of killer bees 1,2,3,4 15:34 so they do not stack 15:34 an wntire stack will turn into one red mold 15:34 so, Arch. what was the "after checking them with stetho" thing about? 15:34 four named corspes have a chane of making 4 red/brown molds 15:35 <@Loggers_VIII> to ascertain gender I assume 15:35 yes, only stetho reveals gender. 15:35 <@Loggers_VIII> if it’s same gender as your lizard corpse in inventory, you may name it and they won’t stack 15:35 <@Loggers_VIII> is I think what arch was saying 15:35 looking at a monster does not tell you what they are 15:35 but, like name them all and they won't stack 15:36 and my point was if formal ID did not give a gender reveal party, how do you know? 15:36 look, to me it sounded like arch was planning to carry two stacks of lizards, male and female, and know the difference because they'd name them 15:36 thinking that when they'd pick up an unnamed one, that it would join the correct stack 15:37 but that's not how it works 15:37 apparently arch already knows this anyways 15:37 <@Loggers_VIII> no, that’s just not what arch was saying I think 15:37 great 15:37 totally unclear to me what the stethoscoping thing was about, but it's fine 15:37 i don't need to understand it 15:38 <@Loggers_VIII> it’s because I said I don’t think you can know gender via formal ID 15:38 <@Loggers_VIII> so they brought up stethoscopes cuz you can get gender from that 15:38 true 15:38 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:38 oh, the "stacking bug" 15:38 collecting information on possible confounds 15:38 I get it 15:39 <@Loggers_VIII> I’m glad we are all on the same page :p 15:39 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 15:39 yeah, only was trying to figure out info for stacking bug 15:40 :) 15:40 I know corpses do not stack when named. 15:40 well, the rules for corpse stacking (and many food items) differ quite a lot from daggers, scrolls, potions etc 15:40 cool 15:40 I use it in Slash'EM for fungi generation 15:40 <@Loggers_VIII> this is true 15:40 yeah, I see 15:40 i still have no idea why there's a stacking bug in 0.9.0 15:40 <@Loggers_VIII> this stacking bug is really quite elusive 15:41 can't say I've encountered it 15:41 yeah, was hoping I had amazing info to help! 15:41 alas! 15:41 I wonder if there is some reason I have not encountered it 15:41 i feel like adding forge quality to weapons has something to do with it, but i dont know for certain. the obj flag for forge quality is in all the right places as far as i can tell 15:42 I pay relatively extreme attention to my stacks 15:42 really annoying when it happens to plain old water. 15:42 so it is odd I haven't seen any anomalies turn up 15:42 but it happens to obj classes that are armor or weapons 15:42 *arent 15:42 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:65623 (10:34:47) 15:42 <@Loggers_VIII> tinklebear: I see it very rarely and I play a very high volume of games, might just be luck 15:43 I pay relatively extreme attention to potion and scroll stacks, too, K2 15:43 mobileuser has expereinced it a small number of times 15:43 (and food stacks, fwiw) 15:44 I also spend a rather embarrassingly large amount of time playing... 15:44 <@Loggers_VIII> I’ve had uncursed water that doesn’t stack with uncursed water, uncursed scrolls of identify that don’t stack with uncursed scrolls of identify, etc 15:44 ...so I really do think it could be a fruitful question 15:44 to ask what makes the difference 15:45 I feel it has to do with scrolls and water from bones 15:45 <@Loggers_VIII> I haven’t noticed anything significant between the times it happened to me. it’s kinda hard to narrow anything down 15:45 one thing I never do: drop things on altars 15:45 bones! 15:46 another thing I (almost) never do: read scrolls of detect magic 15:46 [hdf-us] [evil] msbqqq (Val Cen Fem Neu) wished for "blessed Platinum Yendorian Express Card", on T:27516 (11:06:44) 15:46 <@Loggers_VIII> I never read scrolls of detect magic cuz they’re just not really good for much lol 15:46 [hdf-us] [evil] msbqqq (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Twoflower, on T:27518 (11:07:00) 15:46 I read them pretty often 15:46 <@Loggers_VIII> I’ll pop one on ludios every now and then 15:47 <@Loggers_VIII> I wish they detected magic fountains. that’s one of my oldest yanis 15:47 initial mass ID, ludios castle votd vecna 1 15:47 <@Loggers_VIII> they seem pretty rare. I usually don’t have them for my initial mass ID 15:47 but you think water from bones has something to do with it, mobileuser? 15:48 another case of loggers under-realizing potential for an object 15:48 [hdf-us] [evil] msbqqq (Val Cen Fem Neu) wished for "blessed dragonhide t-shirt of drain resistance", on T:27519 (11:08:22) 15:48 <@Loggers_VIII> why would I use that? 15:48 scrolls of magic detection are great 15:48 tinklebear I feel pretty sure about that 15:48 <@Loggers_VIII> I loot those levels anyway 15:48 that's interesting 15:48 bones issue and stacking? 15:48 sounds legit 15:49 <@Loggers_VIII> sometimes I’ll pop one on ludios but often the magic items are fairly useless at that point 15:49 <@Loggers_VIII> like wow, orcish arrows of telepathy. cool 15:49 loggers I'd like you to compile a list of all the objects you think are useless in evilhack. we'll take that list and put it up on the wiki as 'cool objects you should seek out and use regularly' 15:49 <@Loggers_VIII> I think object properties kinda inherently suffer from twoweaponing artifacts existing 15:50 <@Loggers_VIII> I’d like you to actually say something that refutes anything I’ve said lol 15:50 pfft 15:50 I mass-id pretty late compared to others maybe. often there will be a magic detection scroll amongst all the scrolls I collected 15:50 I found fire brand on the ground in a recent game. turned out to be a complete white elephant 15:50 lame. would not pick up again 15:50 tell me more about artifacts, loggers 15:51 i wonder if the brands should go back to being long swords 15:51 oh magic detection showed Vorpal in the VotD in my game! Now that was useful information 15:51 <@Loggers_VIII> fire brand is pretty good but it can suffer against some monsters 15:51 <@Loggers_VIII> tourists really like fire/frost brand, rogues too 15:52 so many other artifact long swords though 15:52 <@Loggers_VIII> I like that they’re short swords 15:52 I totally didn't mind that it was a short sword 15:52 loggers likes that... check. revert scheduled 15:52 speaking of fire brand, I mean 15:52 :P 15:52 no, I mean it 15:53 it's just that it seemed a real bad idea to spend enchant weapon scrolls on it 15:53 <@Loggers_VIII> they are noticeably weaker than in vanilla though because the base damage they’re doubling isn’t as high, but it’s a damage difference of a few points usually 15:53 <@Loggers_VIII> tinklebear: it gets a lot better with enchant weapon scrolls actually, because it doubles damage. so +7 enchant bonus becomes +14 15:53 okay 15:53 yeah, I get it that it could be good 15:53 but there's a lot of utility to get out of enchanting forge fodder too 15:54 and I couldn't justify setting aside the scrolls for a whole separate "artifact" project 15:54 [hdf-us] [evil] msbqqq (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:27715 (11:14:50) 15:54 <@Loggers_VIII> forging is best early, where you can get kind of artifact-level weapons before you should probably have them with some ingenuity 15:55 not complaining. just noting that artifacts are not necessarily as universally attractive options 15:55 <@Loggers_VIII> for a main weapon, anyway 15:55 [hdf-us] [evil] msbqqq (Val Cen Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:27764 (11:15:42) 15:56 <@Loggers_VIII> meh. by the time I’m capable of finishing ludios I should have a weapon that’s great already. that’s why it’s not attractive to me to root through the debris for a potential knife of shock or whatever 15:57 I'm saying that I frequently value forge fodder with object properties more highly than any artifact I'm likely to encounter in an atheist game 15:57 <@Loggers_VIII> oh, sure. but when discussing game balance I don’t assume conducts 15:57 you assume everyone's going to altar farm? 15:57 lame 15:58