00:11 <NetSysFire> @e?oracle
00:11 <Hecubus> Oracle (@) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 16 | Spd: 0 | Res: sleep poison petrification magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: unique | AC: 0 | Atk: 2d6 cast clerical, 2d6 cast spell, 8d8 passive magic missile | Align: 0 | omnivore, nopoly, infravis
00:11 <NetSysFire> no sickness res
00:11 <NetSysFire> funny
00:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:17036 (2:46:24)
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05:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:38263 (18:36:48)
05:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:38266 (18:36:57)
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06:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed her quest without incident, on T:38665 (19:00:11)
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06:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:6622 (1:48:01)
06:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:7866 (2:11:54)
07:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible tinklebear's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:9332 (2:38:44)
07:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful stag, on T:46 (0:00:41)
07:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful hill giant, on T:58 (0:00:45)
07:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed amulet of magical breathing", on T:10023 (2:59:25)
08:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11277 (3:22:54)
08:20 <mobileuser> interesting early wish to avoid death by creeping mound or gelcube
08:27 <krm26> shoulda been mithril for the weight!
08:36 <mobileuser> that was a cruel death yesterday
08:54 <NetSysFire> @e?creeping mound
08:54 <Hecubus> creeping mound ({) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 7 | Spd: 9 | Res: fire cold sleep poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: dungeons | AC: 0 | Atk: 2d4 claw physical, 2d6 engulf wrap | Align: 0 | genocidable, omnivore, breathless, mindless, vegan
08:54 <NetSysFire> ah ok it strangles you
08:54 <NetSysFire> krm26: should have wished for it greased
09:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:40755 (19:58:33)
09:02 <mobileuser> half of purity...
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09:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming an air elemental, on T:9286 (1:40:20)
10:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:17208 (2:25:22)
10:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:18334 (2:38:24)
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10:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2168 (0:12:52)
10:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1637 points, T:2710, killed by a glass crossbow bolt
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11:49 <tinklebear> something new I haven't noticed before:
11:50 <tinklebear> I was riding my horse, we are here:
11:50 <tinklebear> -+-
11:50 <tinklebear> 0u0
11:50 <tinklebear> -.-
11:51 <tinklebear> (north of us is a shop door), south is a doorless doorway, and boulders are to either side
11:51 <tinklebear> normally, if I dismount, I will invariably land in the doorless doorway to the south
11:51 <tinklebear> -+-
11:51 <tinklebear> 0u0
11:51 <tinklebear> -@-
11:52 <tinklebear> but I am wearing some unidentified "riding boots" that I strongly suspect are fumbling
11:53 <tinklebear> and now, if wearing those when I dismount, I end up on one of the boulder squares!
11:53 <tinklebear> hrm. weird
11:54 <tinklebear> first two times it seemed like I just randomly ended up on one of the boulders
11:54 <tinklebear> but now I'm getting *prompted* for a direction, when I try to dismoung
11:54 <tinklebear> *dismount
11:54 <tinklebear> going to assume this is due to the item description "riding boots"
11:55 <tinklebear> oh. no.
11:55 <tinklebear> I'm just confused.
11:55 <tinklebear> I'm not currently mounted, so #ride means mount
11:56 <tinklebear> yeah. three out of three dismounts while wearing these fumble boots (as I assume they are)
11:56 <tinklebear> I end up on a boulder square
11:57 <tinklebear> you will say "that could only be useful in a corner case" 
11:58 <tinklebear> it so happens, though, that I found it useful just now, to fix a boulder pile-up in orctown
11:59 <tinklebear> basically, i guess, *any* time you would like to squeeze onto a boulder square, but don't want to bother emptying your inventory
12:00 <tinklebear> heh, it totally works.
12:01 <tinklebear> sometimes it takes a few tries, if there's only one adjacent boulder and many open squares
12:03 <tinklebear> also, if you don't remember to remove the fumble boots before trying to remount, you will get hurt of course
12:09 <tinklebear> in fact, it is not merely a more convenient way to squeeze onto a bouldered square, but more effective as well
12:10 <tinklebear> because using the usual method, you cannot squeeze onto a boulder that isn't stuck
12:21 <tinklebear> exception: it turns out that you can and will dismount normally onto any bouldered square if there is no otherwise clear adjacent square available
12:21 <tinklebear> fumble boots or no
12:22 <tinklebear> (like, if you are mounted inside a boulder fort, for example)
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12:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Fem Una), 1217 points, T:1972, killed by a sewer rat
12:51 <bouquet> anyone know if how much of the terminal color palate is available for highlighting and coloring inventory?
13:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Fem Una) murdered Hecubus, her faithful lesser homunculus, on T:1456 (0:14:59)
13:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1627 (0:15:58)
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13:10 <tinklebear> i guess you have all sixteen, bouquet?
13:10 <tinklebear> by "you", I mean anyone using a terminal
13:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:16145 (5:15:11)
13:11 * tinklebear looks in /etc/lynx.cfg
13:13 <tinklebear> black, red, green, brown blue,  magenta, cyan, lightgray, gray, brightred, brightgreen, yellow, brightblue, brightmagenta, brightcyan, white
13:13 <tinklebear> misses a comma between "brown" and "blue"
13:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:21573 (3:21:34)
13:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Fem Una) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3177 (0:26:40)
13:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (locusts), on T:1485 (0:07:11)
13:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Fem Una), 6846 points, T:3669, killed by a boulder
13:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:1579 (0:08:06)
13:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Neu) averted death (killed by a death ray), on T:20797 (4:13:37)
13:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1194 points, T:1811, killed by a piranha
13:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:17, poisoned by a bone orcish dagger
13:23 <bouquet> So, only the base 16?  I was wondering if the expanded palate was ever added. It seems like shocking spheres and floating eyes are subtly different blues on my terminal, but I can't find where that color is defined.
13:25 <aosdict> shocking spheres are bright blue
13:26 <aosdict> floating eyes, regular blue
13:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Mal Una), 840 points, T:1487, killed by a goblin shaman
13:39 <tinklebear> I have found this article helpful, interesting and useful in the past https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Color
13:40 <tinklebear> and yes, there is a distinction between helpful and useful
13:41 <tinklebear> I'm not just throwing in positive adjectives to compensate for my tendency to deride the wiki in general
13:41 <tinklebear> honest
13:42 <bouquet> poor wiki :(
13:44 <tsadok> I mean, the NetHack wiki is *so* much better than the wiki for nearly any other game (with the possible exception of Minecraft, but even there you can't use it with Javascript enabled).
13:45 <tsadok> This is not to say that there isn't room for improvement.
13:48 <mobileuser> When I started playing my first games of modern nethack I constantly consulted the wiki to understand what was going and that helped immensely
13:48 <mobileuser> Very grateful for all the work that has gone into it
13:49 <tsadok> Yeah, I basically downloaded most of the wiki into my brain during my first month or so.
13:50 <tsadok> Admittedly, that was in the era when being up-to-date wasn't really a consideration, because the (at the time) latest official release of the game, was older than the wiki itself.
13:50 <tinklebear> it is interesting to me, to hear how people think of wikis
13:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:25097 (3:57:41)
13:50 <tsadok> Wikipedia is _incredibly_ useful, as long as you understand what it is and the implications of that.
13:50 <tinklebear> personally I consider them like the walls of a public restroom, but with fewer contributors and less freedom
13:50 <tsadok> Honestly, at this point I think Wikipedia is more useful than Google.
13:50 * tinklebear nods in agreement
13:50 <tsadok> (More useful than Google now, not more useful than pre-ChatGPT Google.)
13:53 <tsadok> Wiktionary, too; it's probably the second-best dictionary of the English language, behind only the OED.
13:54 <tinklebear> I use wiktionary a lot, and am disappointed when a particular language's wiktionary isn't well kept
13:55 <tsadok> Yeah, not all languages are equally well represented; I was thinking principally of English.
13:58 <tinklebear> I will briefly struggle to convey what I dislike about wikis:
13:58 <tinklebear> they are vessels for content, but each one has a shape
13:58 <tinklebear> as vessels do
13:59 <tinklebear> and users of wikis often fail to appreciate this
13:59 <tinklebear> as do contributors
13:59 <tsadok> The shape can change over time, reflecting various things, mostly pertaining to the demographic of who is using (and especially editing) the wiki.
14:00 <tinklebear> so each wiki ends up a particular style of map of some territory
14:00 <tsadok> The nature of the subject matter can, of course, also be quite relevant.
14:00 <tinklebear> sure
14:00 <tinklebear> I get dismayed, basically, when people mistake "the map for the territory"
14:01 <tsadok> "Let's start a wiki to document all the discussions that happen on reddit."  Disaster waiting to happen.
14:01 <tinklebear> lol
14:01 <tsadok> (Or maybe somebody has already tried it, I shouldn't be deeply surprised.)
14:06 <aosdict> tsadok: the minecraft wiki works for most of my purposes without javascript (note this is the minecraft.wiki wiki, not the fandom one)
14:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vecna, on T:69196 (22:25:19)
14:28 <tinklebear> the bronze dart that I can sell for 8 zd instead of the expected 7 is not merely +1, but also corrodeproof
14:29 <tinklebear> details that matter!
14:29 <bouquet> tinklebear: the distinction for me is between "guides" and "technical documentation". Wikis are good for documentation.
14:29 <bouquet> you have to have a baseline understanding of the language (whether spoken or computer) for a wiki to be any good.
14:32 <tinklebear> reminiscent of what they say about man pages
14:32 <tinklebear> :D
14:32 <tinklebear> or some people, anyways
14:33 <tinklebear> some man pages
14:33 <tinklebear> (thinks freebsd man pages are quite something else)
14:35 <tinklebear> there could be quite the wiki page about price identification in evilhack
14:36 <rebatelo> when i first started playing there were spoilers in .txt format we would ftp 
14:37 <Pinkbeast> A fair old chunk of the 343 spoilers are still good
14:37 <rebatelo> probably the files on steelypips 
14:37 <rebatelo> yeah 
14:38 <Pinkbeast> And wikis do struggle a bit with guides (indeed the Crawl wiki is notorious for "correct facts, terrible advice") but IDK that's any worse than one person writing a guide that's just bad
14:40 <tinklebear> as long as the reader is aware that the imprimatur of the wiki is really just the imprimatur of the last editor f that section of whatever article they're rading
14:40 <Pinkbeast> Which I fear in general the reader is not
14:44 <mobileuser> I had to find out for myself that early crowning is not in fact a bad strategy, contrary to what the author of that page thinks :-)
14:45 <tinklebear> hah
14:45 <tinklebear> in general, finding stuff out for myself is the fun
14:46 <tinklebear> like, I don't want to win so much as I want to find stuff out
14:46 <tinklebear> maybe that is the basis for my war vs the wiki
14:51 <K2> heh
14:51 <tinklebear> idk. I feel like "guide mode" has a tendency to stifle people's natural creative, curious impulses
14:51 <tinklebear> which seems like a real shame
14:54 <K2> completely off topic - still applying for jobs, made 2nd round for a company that does a lot of federal govt contracts. part of the initial process is checking your current security clearance status (they know i'm prior military and once held a secret clearance). i get an email from them about 30 min ago stating my clearance is still active. even though i retired over 4 yrs ago
14:54 <K2> LOL
14:55 <tinklebear> :D
14:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:42919 (21:09:02)
14:56 <K2> I mean, that's good news for me, i wont have to jump though the hoops of getting whats called a 'public trust clearance'
14:56 <K2> not as involved as what getting a secret clearance would be, but still. its a process
14:56 <K2> but WTF
14:59 <K2> hah this is neat, your clearance doesnt expire when you retire, but if it's unused for longer than a 2 yr period, it's supposed to be deactivated
15:00 <K2> yay govt red tape
15:00 <tinklebear> gotta get in that revolving door or get outta the way
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15:07 <K2> heh
15:07 <K2> this means my clearance is still good until 2030
15:07 <K2> bwahahah
15:10 <bouquet> add your secret clearance Signal link to irc bot.
15:11 <K2> rofl
15:11 <bouquet> y'know, so you can chat here while you plan stuff.
15:11 <K2> well i'm glad i dont have to apply again. it is not a pleasant process
15:12 <K2> the amount of vetting that takes place is nuts
15:12 <K2> and that's just for a secret clearance. top secret is even crazier
15:13 <K2> unless you're the president or any of their lackeys, then just hand our TS clearances like candy
15:13 <tinklebear> we the people, man
15:14 <tinklebear> elections and stuff
15:14 <K2> heh
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15:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:43741 (1 day, 0:27:14)
15:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Sam Gia Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:43747 (1 day, 0:27:51)
15:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a spear entrusted to her by Odin, on T:17109 (5:41:35)
15:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Sam Gia Fem Law) refused to give up The Tsurugi of Muramasa to Lord Sato, on T:44417 (1 day, 0:44:49)
15:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Lord Sato, on T:44438 (1 day, 0:46:10)
16:00 <dingotron2> ugn stupid quest leader trying to take my artifact back again.
16:01 <dingotron2> had to call in the pet balrog to renegotiate the terms.
16:08 <tinklebear> "here is a unicycle"
16:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided alhoons, on T:70501 (23:18:43)
16:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:70512 (23:19:20)
16:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arch (Dru Trt Mal Neu), 64501 points, T:48394, killed by a bolt of fire
16:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:14873 (11:04:50)
16:21 <dingotron2> That mine's end with the Balrog Figurine is way powerful
16:21 <dingotron2> Just gotta make sure it stays tame! lol
16:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11001 (1:51:44)
16:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Val Dwa Fem Law) had a cloak of displacement entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:13040 (2:01:46)
16:36 <tinklebear> that mines end variant is a lot of fun
16:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Val Dwa Fem Law) had a mithril dwarvish bearded axe entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:14512 (2:04:14)
16:38 <tinklebear> lots of interesting combat, and does not seem to pose as much risk of polytraps as most other variants
16:39 <tinklebear> like, if I see the catacombs, I get this sinking feeling
16:39 <tinklebear> "polytrap"
16:39 <tinklebear> have to ask myself, is the luckstone worth the risk?
16:40 <tinklebear> the others seem to pose a little less polytrap risk, but it's still a definite possibility
16:41 <tinklebear> and like, that's fine. but it's nice there's the possibility of one that doesn't really pose it
16:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Gollum, on T:15095 (2:08:26)
16:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] msbqqq (Val Cen Fem Neu) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:15540 (5:26:27)
16:46 <tinklebear> to be fair to the catacombs, it's probably considerably less risky if you use a pick-axe and stick to retrieving only the luckstone
16:46 <tinklebear> instead of scouring the maze for every last gem
16:47 <tinklebear> book and scroll
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16:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] msbqqq (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Lord Surtur, on T:15790 (5:32:49)
16:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] msbqqq (Val Cen Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:15792 (5:32:56)
16:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] msbqqq (Val Cen Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:16092 (5:39:28)
17:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Oracle, on T:17194 (2:27:34)
17:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Demogorgon, on T:70828 (23:32:36)
17:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:70829 (23:32:44)
17:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed adamantine amulet of unchanging", on T:15837 (11:48:17)
17:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] msbqqq (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:16749 (5:54:30)
17:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 68195 points, T:19012, killed by an invisible stalker, while praying
17:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:19715 (2:44:25)
17:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] msbqqq (Val Cen Fem Neu) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:17132 (6:01:26)
17:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] msbqqq (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:17635 (6:11:13)
17:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:21986 (3:09:04)
17:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] msbqqq (Val Cen Fem Neu) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:18148 (6:25:32)
17:43 <tinklebear> "The magic missile hits the invisible Lance Braccus' ghost.
17:43 <tinklebear> The magic missile bounces!
17:43 <tinklebear> The magic missile hits the invisible Lance Braccus' ghost."
17:44 <tinklebear> two hits, took off 5 HP, total
17:44 <tinklebear> magic missile wand is wild
17:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Val Dwa Fem Law) had a pair of iron gauntlets entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:26260 (3:16:20)
17:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] msbqqq (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:18640 (6:36:24)
17:53 <rebatelo> tinklebear: i polymorph them all 
17:59 <tinklebear> hah
18:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:42947 (6:09:26)
18:00 <tinklebear> recently I spread like three around on the upstair before waking up orcus
18:01 <tinklebear> in hopes he'd use up some moves picking them up instead of bashing on me
18:01 <tinklebear> seemed to work
18:02 <tinklebear> (around the upstair. not on it, since that's where I was)
18:04 <tinklebear> how was demogorgon, rebatelo?
18:05 <rebatelo> not bad
18:05 <rebatelo> summon juiblex at the end but he was done the next turn
18:05 <bouquet> can I still get crowned (and get the crowning gift) from a fractured altar?
18:06 <rebatelo> monks get sick resist at hi lvl so he just stunned me a few times 
18:06 <bouquet> oh, if only I read the wiki first
18:08 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> yes bouquet
18:13 <tinklebear> sickness res, nice
18:30 <tinklebear> getting offered 50 zd for a crossbow
18:30 <tinklebear> so that's like either +6, or +2 and fireproof
18:30 <tinklebear> i guess
18:34 * tinklebear cannot shake the impulse to dip it in a forge and find out which it is
18:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had a dagger entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:44846 (6:36:27)
18:35 * tinklebear resists!
18:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had a magical mysterious spellbook given to her by Thoth, on T:45045 (6:37:45)
18:36 <tinklebear> lala, the magical mystery spellbook
18:37 <bouquet> narrators voice "It was magic mapping..."
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18:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) became Thoth's Envoy of Balance, on T:46401 (6:50:23)
18:49 <bouquet> yay
18:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:46920 (6:58:17)
18:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:46923 (6:58:23)
19:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) murdered her faithful skeleton, on T:382 (0:02:00)
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19:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1216 (0:07:16)
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19:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:18953 (14:09:03)
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19:43 <tinklebear> I kill a creeping mound that was on a square with a web
19:44 <tinklebear> I ride onto that square, riding a cauchemar
19:44 <tinklebear> I am drow, so the web does not affect me/trap us
19:45 <tinklebear> the cauchemar eats the creeping mound corpse on that square
19:45 <tinklebear> "Vita Fidelia eats a creeping mound corpse."
19:45 <tinklebear> "Vita Fidelia is caught in a spider web."
19:46 <tinklebear> the steed's action of eating on a trapped square triggers the trap
19:46 <tinklebear> and it affects her
19:46 <tinklebear> er, him (stethoscope corrects me)
19:47 <tinklebear> this can happen on a poly trap, and polymorph a steed despite your own unchanging
19:47 <tinklebear> but in this case, we aren't actually stuck. I'm free to move off as usual
19:48 <rld> <@Umbyre (he/him)> worn source of unchanging doesn't protect a steed, it's MR that does that
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19:48 <rld> <@Umbyre (he/him)> worn source of unchanging on a hero doesn't protect a steed, it's MR that does that
19:48 <tinklebear> that is utterly false in evilhack, @Umbyre
19:49 <tinklebear> MR does it as well, but unchanging in vanilla and in evilhack protects the steed as well
19:49 <tinklebear> you may be thinking of nerfhack?
19:49 <tinklebear> I'm not certain, but nerfhack may be one of the variants where your unchanging will not protect your steed
19:50 <tinklebear> but I know quite well what unchanging does in evilhack
19:51 <tinklebear> and in vanilla, barring any recent changes there
19:51 <Umbire> or I just simply misremembered :v
19:51 <Umbire> which seems to be the case, dunno what I'd been thinking of tho
19:51 <Umbire> ah well
19:51 <tinklebear> I play many games with no MR
19:51 <tinklebear> you know this
19:52 <Umbire> ok
19:53 <tinklebear> but yeah, there is at least one variant where unchanging won't protect your steed
19:53 <tinklebear> can't remember which one
19:54 <tinklebear> anyways, I flag this situation, because the message is, on the one hand, misleading.
19:54 <tinklebear> you are actually "free to leave"
19:54 <tinklebear> but on the other hand, it is sort of informative as a warning, with respect to other traps
19:55 <tinklebear> like the polytrap situation, which is pretty weird
19:55 <tinklebear> like, your steed is protected by your MR, or by your unchanging, EXCEPT if it eats something off the ground on that square
19:55 <tinklebear> THEN, and only then, it's on its own
19:55 <tinklebear> and will polymorph
19:58 <tinklebear> In other words: a polymorph trap with a carrot on top must be avoided, if you are riding a steed that likes to eat carrots, even if you are wearing MR or unchanging
20:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:82568 (19:02:36)
20:07 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> just not printing the stuck message would seem to be the solution here if you aren’t stuck
20:07 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> or if being stuck is the intention make it so you get stuck, I suppose
20:07 <tinklebear> yeah
20:08 <tinklebear> that would be less misleading
20:09 <tinklebear> however, it silently deletes information about the fact that if your steed eats on a trapped square, it will be affected by that trap
20:09 <tinklebear> regardless of your own protections that usually protect both you and the steed
20:10 <tinklebear> *it WOULD silently delete
20:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) killed the orcish high priestess of Moloch, on T:82838 (19:12:51)
20:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:82840 (19:12:57)
20:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Monk (Mon Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 oilskin toque", on T:81939 (1 day, 21:18:05)
20:16 <tinklebear> it's quite arguably a bug that traps will affect a steed that eats off the ground despite a riders's protection
20:16 <tinklebear> *protective MR or unchanging
20:18 <tinklebear> but I don't think it's completely clear that it is
20:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) killed Lucifer, on T:82952 (19:20:44)
20:21 <tinklebear> and, if devs feel it is not a bug, then I think removing hints that indicate "close calls" like this one would be a mistake
20:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) entered Purgatory, on T:82972 (19:23:07)
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20:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) killed Saint Michael, on T:83172 (19:30:50)
20:31 <K2> is this behavior present in 3.7?
20:35 <tinklebear> not sure, K2
20:35 <tinklebear> I believe I've seen it in tnnt
20:36 <tinklebear> so 3.6, I guess
20:36 <K2> would make sense, tnnt is still 3.6.7 based
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20:36 <tinklebear> I haven't played a lot of 3.7, so it's quite possible I haven't encountered the necessary conditions to trigger it
20:38 <Pinkbeast> K2: OBTW, do you have proportion-of-HP attacks a la Crawl's torment?
20:39 <K2> how many players were attacked by an HP printer? no
20:40 <K2> they are evil though
20:40 <Pinkbeast> Well, yeah, all printers are evil but that's not quite what I mean :-)
20:40 <K2> seriously, no dont have that
20:41 <tinklebear> I've often wondered if the formula for monster's acid shower spell isn't one of those
20:41 <tinklebear> or "proportion of max HP"
20:41 <Pinkbeast> Could be a way to nip (semi-)infinite max HP gains in the bud (I know you've done other things, and ofc Death changed a while back to do something in that line)
20:42 <Umbire> We already have that, it's called Orcus
20:42 <Umbire> :B
20:42 <tinklebear> heh, Umbire
20:42 <tinklebear> :D
20:43 <Pinkbeast> Oh, hang on, isn't partial resistance vs death ray / disint a proportion-of-HP effect?
20:44 <Umbire> not as such, I don't think
20:44 <Umbire> but the former does cut into current/max HP
20:45 <K2> disint yeah
20:45 <K2> death res you either have it or dont
20:46 <K2> but MR can protect you somewhat
20:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Monk (Mon Hum Fem Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:82542 (1 day, 21:52:42)
20:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Monk (Mon Hum Fem Law) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:82542 (1 day, 21:52:54)
20:48 <Pinkbeast> Thanks.
20:51 <Umbire> yeah MR and half spell can reduce the amount of max HP loss
20:51 <Umbire> which I figured was closer to what you wanted
20:52 <Pinkbeast> Oh! No - I'm looking for things that do X% of your current HP as damage, so no matter how you can stack HP (in a basically linear fashion) they can whittle you down fairly sharply.
20:53 <Pinkbeast> Exactly like (if I understand K2 correctly) partial disint resistance now.
20:53 <K2> ah
20:54 <Pinkbeast> (also if evilhack doesn't have it I am trying to suggest an evil idea :-)
20:54 <tinklebear> getting doused with acid when near full HP never seems to kill me outright, but puts me well into red/black you're gonna die scrub territory
20:55 <Pinkbeast> ... or something strictly worse, like being hit for X% of one's maximum HP
20:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:84173 (19:58:00)
20:57 <tinklebear> sounds like fun to me
20:59 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> tinklebear: acid damage die is based off some fucked up and evil formula that uses the casting monster’s level
20:59 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> and I can verify that it can take you from full HP to dead in one cast :)
21:00 <K2> that is based off of how the player spell of the same works
21:00 <tinklebear> heh, gotcha, loggers
21:00 <tinklebear> it seems very well balanced then, IME
21:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:84291 (20:02:21)
21:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:84291 (20:02:26)
21:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:84292 (20:02:29)
21:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) genocided sea dragons, on T:84311 (20:04:06)
21:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) genocided water trolls, on T:84312 (20:04:15)
21:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:84354 (20:05:15)
21:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:84511 (20:11:47)
21:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) killed the White Horse, on T:84515 (20:12:00)
21:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) murdered her faithful woolly mammoth, on T:84539 (20:13:04)
21:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) murdered her faithful woolly mammoth, on T:84540 (20:13:09)
21:11 <K2> sorry i'm not as engaged as i should be. still plugging away at this massive commit
21:14 <Umbire> what's it for K2
21:14 <K2> secret
21:14 <Umbire> copy 
21:16 <tinklebear> but not top secret
21:16 <bouquet> he's not cleared for that
21:16 <K2> no, not TS
21:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) put Death down for a little nap, on T:84744 (20:21:13)
21:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) destroyed the Pale Horse, on T:84747 (20:21:24)
21:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) murdered her faithful woolly mammoth, on T:84762 (20:23:27)
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21:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha), 7563368 points, T:84879, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elron/evilhack/dumplog/1745067211.evil.html
21:26 <K2> \o/
21:26 <K2> woooo
21:26 <elron> \o/ - the ever popular giant wizard
21:28 <Umbire> yay elron
21:28 <elron> thx!
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21:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:48664 (7:17:10)
21:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:49091 (7:22:05)
21:39 <bouquet> wow. Totally expected a fight with Neferet. I angered the watch and pissed off some friendlies.
21:39 <bouquet> congrat's elron! Giant wiz has been on my list.
21:41 <elron> thx -- it was a typical wiz -- harder at first, easier later
21:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:20574 (16:30:53)
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21:58 <tinklebear> oh wow, congrats elron
21:59 <elron> thx!
22:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had a pair of jumping boots entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:33153 (7:17:19)
22:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Dramborleg bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:45669 (1 day, 2:01:24)
22:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible Arahael's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:23056 (5:30:30)
22:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 179714 points, T:34117, killed by a torrent of acid
22:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed tinklebear's ghost, the former Joshu, on T:23110 (5:31:40)
22:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible tinklebear's ghost, the former Pilferer, on T:23156 (5:34:57)
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22:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:52503 (8:07:31)
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22:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:25468 (6:05:53)
23:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 428683 points, T:54875, petrified by a beholder
23:08 <bouquet> touch choice. Take another bite of lizard or put on blindfold?
23:10 <tinklebear> :(
23:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Val Dwa Fem Law) had a bronze knife entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:31723 (4:34:37)
23:14 <bouquet> I spent at least 30k turns getting pets to step on poly traps and kill the angry minetown watch.  That was the highlight of that entire run.
23:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 221147 points, T:27857, killed by a woolly mammoth
23:16 <tinklebear> 30k?
23:17 <tinklebear> dedication to the cause
23:18 <bouquet> this was one of those post-ascension games that turned into a good run. I wasn't very committed
23:21 <K2> :/
23:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:39710 (4:59:12)