00:08 the bigger issue was how fast Croesus was while riding a centaur, and between the two of them how many hits they could get in. 00:10 and now I accidentally locked myself into one centaur vestibules with undiggable walls and unbreakable iron bars 00:11 confused teleport or cursed scroll of teleport 00:11 (and how did that happen??) 00:11 got to wait for the staff to stop ignoring me to phase out. 00:11 ah...staff 00:12 should be like around 200 turns 00:12 each time it ignores you it adds to it 00:14 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a +0 mithril tsurugi on an altar, on T:5648 (0:46:29) 00:15 sigh. and all these dead soldiers, but not a scrap of useful magical armor or weapons I could forge into something good 00:18 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law), 5572 points, T:5828, poisoned by a jumping spider 00:22 -!- dingotron2 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:23 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1147 (0:05:21) 00:26 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 0 points, T:17, killed by dipping into a forge 00:43 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Cen Fem Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:48136 (11:27:14) 00:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Monk (Mon Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:77027 (1 day, 17:05:23) 00:53 does scroll of magic detection sill not detect items from a magic chest? 01:07 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1889 (0:41:40) 01:08 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest3468 01:08 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 01:08 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:11 <@Loggers_VIII> branching out from your usual knight tinklebear? 01:12 -!- Guest3468 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:23 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a +1 mithril tsurugi on an altar, on T:5696 (1:05:28) 01:49 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law), 7929 points, T:6774, drowned in a moat 02:29 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a steel crossbow bolt), on T:3313 (0:32:17) 02:29 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1778 points, T:3314, quit 03:22 -!- Arch89 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:43 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:49 "19:59 mobileuser! back me up, help me beat up k2" 05:50 I agree with krm26 here. My druid cast a lot of stoneskin and magic missile, but even then I had to eventually reread the spellbooks 05:51 the new commit will very likely help there, but not for spells only used in the occasional emergency 05:52 hackem allows rereading of spells you still know well btw 06:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Monk (Mon Hum Fem Law) genocided gray dragons, on T:77217 (1 day, 17:52:10) 06:50 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 06:50 ah feck, magic lamp gave no wish 06:55 see? k2 takes swift revenge when you agree with me :-) 06:56 heh 06:57 special magic lamp code for krm26 now also applies to me 07:05 only got one magic lamp my entire current game, which is unusually low for me, but did get the wish (and am lampless) 07:06 ive played very poorly this game, lucky to still be viable 07:06 *unusually* very poorly, not just normal very poorly :-) 07:09 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided antimatter vortices, on T:50919 (13:47:32) 07:14 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Dwa Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:116960 (2 days, 0:26:44) 07:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Dwa Fem Neu) killed the human high priest of Moloch, on T:117198 (2 days, 0:36:41) 07:25 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Dwa Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:117204 (2 days, 0:37:07) 07:26 jeez had my +7 harbinger canceled to 0 5 times since killing rodney...all out of enchant weapon now 07:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Dwa Fem Neu) killed Lucifer, on T:117280 (2 days, 0:42:45) 07:32 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Dwa Fem Neu) entered Purgatory, on T:117309 (2 days, 0:43:58) 07:32 go go go 07:33 dragonman 07:34 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 07:35 you are daring us to say it, krm26? 07:35 "a Harbinger of things to come?" 07:35 * tinklebear won't say it 07:36 now you have to wait for eating pets 07:39 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Dwa Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:117444 (2 days, 0:51:13) 07:43 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Dwa Fem Neu) murdered Smoke, her faithful gray dragon, on T:117562 (2 days, 0:55:26) 07:44 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Dwa Fem Neu) killed Saint Michael, on T:117571 (2 days, 0:55:54) 07:44 omg that's a lot of rodneys 07:45 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Dwa Fem Neu) murdered her faithful sea dragon, on T:117640 (2 days, 0:57:52) 07:49 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3016 (0:55:18) 08:05 yeah ive been buried 08:16 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Dwa Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:118480 (2 days, 1:28:14) 08:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Dwa Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:118664 (2 days, 1:34:06) 08:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Dwa Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:118664 (2 days, 1:34:10) 08:28 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Dwa Fem Neu) put Death down for a little nap, on T:118803 (2 days, 1:40:31) 08:28 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Dwa Fem Neu) destroyed the Pale Horse, on T:118803 (2 days, 1:40:31) 08:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:12837 (5:47:30) 08:29 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:4057 (1:36:10) 08:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Dwa Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:118867 (2 days, 1:42:47) 08:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Dwa Fem Neu) killed the White Horse, on T:118870 (2 days, 1:42:52) 08:31 \o/ 08:31 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Dwa Fem Neu), 4831058 points, T:118882, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1744548853.evil.html 08:31 congrats! 08:32 some games you can carve your way to victory, this game i just had to crawl through infinite summons without engaging 08:32 gotta say healer is not really my jam, although harbinger makes it better than it would otherwise be 08:32 crawling through instead of carving is what I usually do anyway :-) 08:33 i mean, i like to kill the people who summon nasties to mitigate the swarm 08:33 but no hope of that this run 08:33 just gjallared my way through 08:33 -!- malor_ has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 08:33 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 08:33 tortle druid next? 08:34 didnt loggers say he wanted to do that? 08:34 but he's not doing it 08:34 i also havent run my favorite class, priest, in a post-harbinger world 08:34 ah indeed 08:34 the priest quest will look different with skeletons 08:35 and new sac gift rules for priest I think? 08:35 oh i forgot about that, did that really happen? 08:35 I seem to remember that 08:36 grr i need immediate feedback from nethackscoreboard after i ascend and i dont get it 08:36 loggers said he wanted to do tortle druid when he saw someone else doing it 08:36 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/0a460ab3a08bf79337106ada1c2fbf20d3e59840 08:37 (badly, of course, because it was me) 08:37 heh 08:37 hah, the first time i mentioned that sac change for priests when forging was introduced k2, if i recall, kindly asked me to go jump in a lake :-) 08:38 something about me not appreciating the mitre 08:38 the mitre: too large for a comfortable suppository, little other use 08:39 do i have the fortitude for tortle druid? hmm 08:39 I can imagine you don't want to right after a healer 08:40 congrats on the ultimate healer slog, krm26 08:41 despite being a healer couldnt bring any of my fiercely loyal dragons to the planes... 08:41 the limiting factor being getting them up the stairs when they are eating 08:41 they need to eat! 08:41 it takes SO LONG for them to digest certain engulfed monsters 08:41 i'm not sitting around for 30 turns while rodney revives on me 08:42 aw, don't you like him? 08:42 he clearly likes you! 08:42 and ive gotta stop making stacks of hundreds of +7 silver shuriken, i never got to use them all even when boulder forts worked, now they are bleragh 08:43 do you think cursed invis will get nerfed too? 08:43 doubt it 08:43 a plausible take 08:44 it is already less useful/important with the boss movement change 08:44 interesting 08:44 and not very good at all in conjunction with boulder forts anymore 08:45 yeah 08:45 I haven't really seen too much of the movement changes yet 08:45 but in principle they seem pretty nice 08:46 like you say, they undercut the whole cursed invis plus boulder-fort on upstair rationale 08:46 in principle 08:46 (I haven't had a chance to see it much in practice) 08:47 and undercutting that is pretty cool, because it isn't an especially interesting ritual 08:47 so mobileuser, do you think it would make the game too difficult if as you were ascending through the dungeon, the remaining demon bosses were freed after lucifer's death, and there would be a chance each level one would pop in to kill you for the amulet? 08:48 they could obviously be fled/abandoned on the level if you played your cards right, and of course just clobbered 08:48 but it might be some non-rodney spice for the ascension 08:49 ... 08:50 i see you are fully on board! 08:50 let's say it wouldn't feel it would make the game more fun for me :-) 08:50 hahaha surprise ascension graz'zt 08:52 time to walk the dog 08:52 bbl 08:52 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:53 getting a worn, hated material HooA stolen caused hated material damage 08:53 that seems wrong 08:53 "The cave bear charms you. You gladly let her take your helm. Your mind is much of a muchness. The iron of your crested helmet burns your skin! You hear the howling of the CwnAnnwn... You can move again. The snow golem steals a cursed -1 crested helmet! You feel magnetic." 08:54 monks can throw an aklys without violating nonweapon conduct? 09:01 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 09:03 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:53529 (14:52:51) 09:17 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Tal'Gath, on T:53981 (15:05:41) 09:18 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided beholders, on T:53983 (15:06:09) 09:39 krm26: NOW i see what you were talking about with the new spell retain thing.. Yeah, no i don't think i like either. Extra healing was 1-10% said i was forgetting and i cast it a few times to train the skill and now I can't read the book lol 09:40 might suck when it's a bunch of spells 09:48 congrats krm26 \o/ 09:48 in principle, the ones you actually cast on the regular will require less reading 09:48 healer done! sadly, that leaves caveman as my least ascended role again :-P 09:49 druid tortle 09:49 yeah im hearing that a lot :-) 09:49 im not sure i have the stamina currently for a tortle ascension 09:49 tortle are tough 09:50 and now with no boulder forts! 09:50 got that shell 09:50 ooh la la 09:51 i understand the intent of the shell but i dont think it often really pays off in the early game when it is most important 09:51 i mean, id trade it for a starting wand of sleep :-) 09:51 tortle are just tough 09:51 honestly I can't see how it is ever useful 09:51 clearly I have a lot to learn about the tortle life 09:52 it is some extra ac in the endgame, although not as much as you lose by not wearing gear 09:52 in the early game, it can save you from certain types of deaths, but leaves you pretty exposed to the more common ones 09:52 like, monsters aren't going to just get bored and walk away when you enshell 09:52 are they? 09:52 you can heal while monsters are trying to beat on you in your shell 09:52 being enshelled in the early game defeats almost any physical damage output 09:53 my internal monitor tells me "if you are healing, then you are losing" 09:53 some monsters may yes tinklebear 09:53 animals and sometimes even intelligent ones 09:53 interesting 09:53 it is their slowness + lack of wearable gear that makes them so tough 09:54 which is fine, nothing wrong with challenge races 09:54 just not sure im up for that right now 09:55 but the tortle shell doesnt save you from poison instadeath, or zombie brain eating, or stunlocking... many things that are more likely to kill you then an uppity dwarf with a mattock 09:56 it doesnt make thematic sense, but i kinda feel like enshelling should remove debuffs (sickness, confusion, slow, etc) 09:56 enshelling protects you from zombie brain eating and stings 09:57 once you enshell, but that isnt really how those attacks work, right? hiding in place doesnt trump them 09:57 yes it does 09:57 not complaining about it, i just think the utility is very narrow 09:57 if you're enshelled, it makes you immune to all sorts of attacks 09:57 right 09:58 enshelling is basically a 'get out of jail free' card, esp in the early game 09:58 its saved my ass a few times 09:58 well in very limited circumstances 09:59 it isnt a mechanic that is effective against zombies or piranhas or poisoned orcish arrows, the problem is still exactly the same when you come back out of your shell 09:59 i wouldnt say very limited 09:59 healing while enshelled is very nice against something pounding your butt with damage 09:59 that is a real benefit 10:00 but it is no better than running away against most other stuff 10:00 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 10:00 it is what you turn to when you have no health, no prayer, and nowhere to run, which isnt nothing for sure 10:01 but it isnt as good as speed boots :-) 10:01 brave brave sir robin 10:06 i mean, i like tortles, ive played a bunch of them. but they are clearly in a difficulty class beyond any other race. their special mechanics dont rise to the level of giant boulderism 10:08 but i think people would love/frequently use the enshell mechanic, without making the race overpowered, if when enshelled you got some extra stuff, from the list: accelerated healing, slower digestion, clearing certain debuffs, accelerated power recovery 10:08 just one irritating whiner's opinion 10:08 ugh, no way im streaking doing tortle druid next 10:11 i hope you know that your variant is fantastic k2, even though all i do is poke poke poke 10:11 <3 10:12 i get it, tortle is a hard pill to swallow for some 10:12 someday you'll get a nerd boner for tortle like @Loggers_VIII did 10:13 hey i have as many tortle ascensions as he does! 10:13 and a 2.1% win rate vs his 0.3% as tortle 10:14 mobileuser is the tortle master 10:14 as he is the master of all things 10:14 5 tortle ascensions, 33.3% win rate! 10:14 heh 10:15 I like the AC bonus in the early game 10:15 the main problem is the slowness 10:16 swimming can be nice too 10:16 slowness is so so so bad 10:16 and there is no cure for tortle slowness 10:16 justice for dragonhide helms of speed! 10:20 interesting: while flying if you attempt to untrap a squeaky board you can set it off 10:20 sure, you are handling it 10:20 yes, it makes sense 10:20 I guess wildshape is especially nice for slow tortles 10:21 i'll find out! you and k2 have successfully condemned me to tortle druid 10:21 \o/ 10:21 \o/ 10:21 WHY you want me to be whining at 3x my normal rate, i dont know 10:22 "isn't effective against pirhanas" 10:22 lol 10:22 was just going through a list of really common early problems, especially for slows 10:22 heh 10:24 stay away from piranha infested water. problem solved 10:24 even for slows 10:24 but tortles love water 10:25 not as much as piranhas 10:25 hey mobileuser, i forget -- is tortle early ac enough to brute force goblin king? i seem to remember that it is not 10:27 "I solved the problem by just being a X" would be a terribly insipid story 10:28 ooh! i can be a piranha now 10:28 unless "being an X" brought its own problems 10:29 krm26 I don't really know since I almost never go for an early goblin king kill 10:29 I tend to explore the first mine levels first 10:29 i should wildshape into a piranha and bite the goblin king to death while flopping on the ground 10:30 it's a cunning plan 10:30 how does control of a piranha work when you arent in water? does it like move you around randomly? 10:30 try it for science! 10:30 "oh look a tasty fish!" 10:30 "Ouch! Ouch! Ouch!" 10:31 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:32 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:56548 (16:01:30) 10:32 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:56555 (16:01:41) 10:32 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1710 (0:23:34) 10:33 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Fem Neu), 1179 points, T:1748, killed by a goblin shaman, while hiding in her shell 10:33 sigh. goblin shaman didnt care that i was in my shell, just caused wounds 10:36 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Fem Neu), 0 points, T:38, killed by a water demon 10:37 shell isnt going to protect you from magic unfortunately 10:38 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:52349 (7:45:48) 10:44 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:6759 (3:22:07) 11:01 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 1093 points, T:2896, killed by a stag 11:23 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:32 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 11:37 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:53930 (8:05:56) 11:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Dru Trt Mal Neu), 145 points, T:592, killed by a falling rock 11:46 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:6108 (0:45:05) 11:51 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a +2 mithril tsurugi on an altar, on T:6793 (0:49:17) 11:59 <@Loggers_VIII> early game clerical casters are an absolute nightmare for tortle. i hate them 12:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1932 (0:10:20) 12:02 <@Loggers_VIII> i was gonna play dru trt but apparently it's easter today so i have things to do :p 12:09 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a black unicorn, on T:8906 (1:07:33) 12:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1808 points, T:3386, quit 12:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:10 (0:00:09) 12:14 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:19 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10365 (1:17:17) 12:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2010 (0:10:37) 12:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2232 points, T:3236, killed by a giant bat 12:34 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Cen Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:48628 (11:35:29) 12:46 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 12:54 weee easter 12:54 hide cockatrice eggs around the house 12:54 watch out for jesus zombie 12:56 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Cen Fem Cha) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:49937 (11:54:22) 12:59 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:09 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:13 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:15304 (2:11:55) 13:14 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Cen Fem Cha) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:50684 (12:12:02) 13:19 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Cen Fem Cha) killed Tal'Gath, on T:50926 (12:17:14) 13:23 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:16949 (2:21:53) 13:30 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Cen Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:51292 (12:28:31) 13:35 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Cen Fem Cha) genocided antimatter vortices, on T:51445 (12:33:40) 13:45 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:18908 (2:43:15) 13:45 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a pair of leather yugake entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:18921 (2:43:32) 13:48 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a steel dwarvish short sword entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:19563 (2:46:15) 13:49 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:50 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 14:08 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:23004 (3:06:18) 14:16 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 14:18 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law), 77678 points, T:24225, killed by an invisible gulthias tree 14:25 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:55222 (8:20:15) 14:25 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:55230 (8:20:23) 15:00 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1339 (0:21:24) 15:03 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Cen Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:51594 (12:39:50) 15:08 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Cen Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:51814 (12:44:48) 15:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Gollum, on T:16016 (7:24:30) 15:13 I have sort of forgotten why goggles were added to the game 15:14 "Allows the wearer to see underwater the same as they could on land" 15:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Mal Neu) destroyed splungetoo's ghost, the former Ninja, on T:2343 (0:44:36) 15:30 sigh. tortle made invisible by trap. found bones! bones has wand of invis! wand...only item that wasnt cursed 15:32 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Cen Fem Cha) genocided beholders, on T:52854 (13:08:59) 15:34 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Cen Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fixed +3 sunsword", on T:52858 (13:10:44) 15:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1503 (0:08:12) 15:39 curses 15:40 * tinklebear exclaims 15:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2412 points, T:3269, killed by a gnome lord 15:50 -!- dingotron2 has joined #evilhack 15:51 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3408 (1:12:51) 16:01 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:59885 (9:56:22) 16:03 grr how do i curse this stupid thing. curse you wand! 16:06 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 186 points, T:677, killed by a crossbow bolt 16:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:17323 (8:08:06) 16:12 mobileuser! save me! how do i curse this wand 16:13 dip it in a fountain 16:13 why do you want the wand to be cursed? 16:13 or dip some uncursed potions in a fountain until you get a black glow 16:14 im an invisible tortle with an uncursed wand of make invisible 16:14 zapping yourself with the cursed version makes you visible again 16:15 i did not know that! 16:16 why do you want to be visible? need to do shopping? 16:16 that would be my guess :-) 16:16 (fyi you can still get into stores by teleport, phasing or digging down from level above) 16:17 usually unfeasible in the early game 16:18 I am an invisible Giant, and recently solved that problem by a) finding an item that let me phase through walls b) (then, even simpler) introducing the shopkeep to my friend the pet Balrog 16:18 i prefer to be invis 16:18 i do to if i hadnt just go to a minetown full of lamps and tools 16:18 It's a good property to have 16:20 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:20 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Hea Hob Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2382 (0:13:00) 16:23 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) averted death (suffocated by a sea dragon), on T:57284 (11:55:28) 16:24 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 16:25 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 16:25 <@Loggers_VIII> invisibility is annoying when wraith luring 16:26 hi logs 16:27 Is there value in trying to polypile weapons/armor with properties? (e.g. I don't specifically need an orcish helm of searching, but another random magical armor might be useful). Is there a standard chance for them to retain magical properties? Like does the 54% polymorph chance for magic armor to stay magical, also apply to the new evilhack 16:27 properties life searching, decay, telepathy? 16:27 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Hea Hob Mal Neu), 1452 points, T:3088, killed by a gnome queen 16:27 @loggers ya wraith luring is the one case for sure. level/branch porting can be a workaround though 16:28 dingotron2: i think you have an effectively 0% chance of ever getting a property from polypiling :-) 16:31 krm26These are the odds in vanilla for polypiling magical armor 16:31 Class Magical → Non-magical 54% 16:31 Non-magical → Magical Armor 0.60% 16:31 im talking about properties 16:31 I don't know how properties are implemented, is an orcish dagger of fire tagged as the class 'magical' for the purpose of polypiling? 16:32 so am i 16:32 a scroll of 'detect magic' identifies properties. 16:33 So, at least scrolls in the game think that properties count as magic 16:33 hmm 16:37 in evilhack it looks like it just randonly rerolls up to 3 times when polymorphing a magical piece of gear to see if it can get a new magical result 16:37 and if after 3 attempts it hasnt succeeded, you end up with something normal 16:38 and that is based on the item class, so properties should have no bearing on anything 16:38 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:57538 (12:04:20) 16:38 takeaway: dont poly for properties 16:38 see poly_obj method and objclass.oc_magic definition 16:41 ah I see. thanks for checking! 16:43 -!- dingotron2 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:47 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:47 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 16:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful warg, on T:18 (0:00:23) 17:01 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Cen Fem Cha) destroyed Kas, on T:54872 (13:59:07) 17:06 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 981783 points, T:58363, killed by Tal'Gath 17:07 Damn, he hits hard. I should have kept my distance 17:07 rip :-( 17:07 never put baby in a corner 17:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1846 (0:09:48) 17:10 yeah, lesson learned. First time I have got to the castle in evilhack, so every time I learn something new is good. 17:11 if he always has somewhere to run, he wont get up on you very regularly 17:13 just learned that amulet of unchanging prevents polymorphing if you have lycanthropy, now I feel a bit better about fighting the rat king 17:14 amulet's great for below minetown if you lack MR 17:14 in general 17:15 yeah, I had a failed magic lamp so I was glad to at least find unchanging 17:16 progress 17:16 abcd K2 17:16 question - rank of monster below king/queen and lord/lady. which sounds better, baron/baroness or count/countess? 17:16 hi 17:16 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 17:16 when did ab turn into abcd 17:18 when I decided it was funny 17:18 honestly I feel like you'd pick one depending on the monster 17:18 I favor baron(ess) though 17:19 like an elven baron vs elven count? 17:19 or dorf countess vs dorf baroness 17:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Rat King, on T:17901 (8:42:51) 17:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:3081 (0:20:49) 17:20 you know how like, there's elven monarchs but ogre tyrants or w/e 17:21 I think that's a 3.7 thing but you get what I mean 17:21 oh i forgot what 3.7 had 17:21 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Cen Fem Cha) destroyed Vecna, on T:55501 (14:18:45) 17:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3543 (0:23:58) 17:23 Lord and Lady is generically used for titled people, so a baron is also a lord 17:24 hmm 17:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism by consulting with the elven priest of Thoth, on T:4247 (0:29:55) 17:33 laird 17:34 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed magic marker", on T:61361 (10:55:20) 17:35 ah, going scottish :-) 17:35 I like it 17:35 heh 17:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:5003 (0:36:31) 17:36 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Cen Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 dragonhide gauntlets of dexterity", on T:55996 (14:34:01) 17:36 female laird is still called 'ldady' though 17:36 *lady 17:37 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Cen Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 vorpal blade", on T:56000 (14:35:07) 17:41 ldady 17:43 bouquet not taking any chances 17:43 unless an owner appeared 17:45 ah lol, the rat king chest had a magic lamp 17:45 HAX 17:45 no BoH unfortunately 17:45 greedy 17:46 finally became visible. all 5 minetown lamps were oil :-P 17:48 heh 17:48 hmm this one is cursed too... 17:48 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:49 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 17:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18148 (9:07:16) 17:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:7928 (0:55:13) 17:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:8061 (0:56:09) 17:57 did druid warning level change? though it was level 14 they got warning 18:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:9758 (1:02:45) 18:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed +3 dragonhide alchemy smock", on T:10030 (1:04:07) 18:06 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 18:06 Had a feeling if I found enough fountains, one would give a wish 18:06 :) 18:10 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 158 points, T:950, killed by Ms. Kalecik; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 18:15 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:62662 (11:36:17) 18:18 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 104 points, T:4, killed by falling down a mine shaft 18:37 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:01 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3564 (0:13:13) 19:04 wasn't little lord fauntleroy's rich uncle a baron? 19:05 I kind of thought that meant he was higher than a normal ass lord 19:05 but this is not something I've spent much time thinking about 19:06 (well, *some*, obviously) 19:07 how about just "gentle man/lady"? 19:07 well, "gentle orc/orcstress" or whatever 19:08 baron is below a lord, about same as count or earl 19:08 ah, maybe it was "earl". anyways, you're the one that knows this stuff 19:09 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "sdflkj", on T:4984 (0:21:06) 19:11 * tinklebear can't picture a count without seeing the sesame street character 19:13