00:00 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3699 (0:40:53) 00:15 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:15785 (3:49:32) 00:16 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) had Dirge gifted to him by the grace of Lolth, on T:15794 (3:49:44) 00:16 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:15797 (3:50:04) 00:17 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven long sword entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:15826 (3:50:48) 00:20 K2: in src/trap.c, for trapdoors there's a check to see if the would-be victim is specifically a wumpus 00:20 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Hum Fem Law), 940 points, T:1635, killed by a goblin shaman 00:20 it should apply to cave lizards and large cave lizards as well 00:21 as it stands, cave lizards are falling through trapdoors, as if they were unable to walk on the ceiling 00:22 <@Loggers_VIII> it's weird that it checks for wumpus and not just clinging monsters 00:22 yeah 00:22 <@Loggers_VIII> i guess the vanilla devs were very confident they wouldn't add any more? 00:23 heh. thanks for pointing that out, loggers 00:23 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16470 (3:57:23) 00:24 <@Loggers_VIII> i think at least a few other monsters should cling to ceilings - geckos and spiders, at least 00:24 oh yeah. geckos for sure 00:24 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) had a silver chain mail entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:16653 (3:58:18) 00:24 spiders too! good catch 00:25 <@Loggers_VIII> geckos seems to me like something that would have already been in vanilla, but i guess no one really cares about geckos lol 00:25 it's pretty baffling to me how, if you're going to add geckos to your game... 00:26 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) had a helm of brilliance entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:17034 (3:59:57) 00:26 ...you don't ... give them the defining attribute that geckos famously have 00:26 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah, exactly :p 00:27 but I'll admit: I didn't see this until you pointed it out just now 00:28 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Hum Fem Law), 806 points, T:1074, killed by the Goblin King 00:28 <@Loggers_VIII> i didn't either, just started thinking about monsters that could potentially ceiling climb and gecko seemed perfect 00:28 <@Loggers_VIII> cuz really, how often do you think about geckos? 00:28 not often! 00:29 seems like spiders ought to do the rock piercer surprise! thing 00:29 fall from the ceiling onto you 00:29 <@Loggers_VIII> it would be neat if spider behavior was to spin a web and then hang out on the ceiling above it 00:30 yeah 00:30 <@Loggers_VIII> with an exception for jumping spiders probably 00:31 sure. would make sense 00:31 <@Loggers_VIII> i always was fascinated by jumping spiders irl 00:32 I remember keeping one as a pet for a while 00:32 in a jar, brought it insects 00:32 <@Loggers_VIII> hah, nice 00:32 <@Loggers_VIII> they're just so fast 00:33 yeah! 00:33 <@Loggers_VIII> hmm, i forget, does evilhack have phase spiders? 00:33 no that I've seen 00:33 *none/not 00:33 <@Loggers_VIII> i must be thinking of dnethack 00:33 yeah, I've seen them there 00:33 maybe in nerf too? 00:33 can't remember 00:34 <@Loggers_VIII> i never got very far in nerf... only to the quest a couple times 00:35 I guess the post-castle lethe stuff is gone now 00:35 <@Loggers_VIII> idk. i can respect hackemslashem for sticking to his guns on the design vision, but it really was quite the irritating game in my experience 00:35 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah, he axed that a while back 00:35 any particularly annoying highlights ? 00:36 grease traps were pretty annoying to me 00:37 probably more annoying than the boulders falling from the ceiling 00:38 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Hum Mal Law), 802 points, T:1680, killed by a goblin shaman 00:38 feeding the goblin king tonight! 00:39 all those corpses are going to stink the place up 00:39 :D 00:39 <@Loggers_VIII> suchhhh low chance for an altar gift even around midgame... a huge amount of item destruction/damage, moreso than evil... grease traps... altars getting destroyed... towels you can't put on... low strength being way worse than vanilla... as caveman, sometimes completely unmanageable dinosaur swarms... no price identification... extremely shortened spell memory... skills taking way longer to advance... unicorn horns that barely work... on and on and 00:40 <@Loggers_VIII> again, this is all in line with the vision of "nerf everything", I just don't think a game of nethack where you nerf everything is fun 00:40 heh 00:40 nice list! 00:40 the special-monsters-for-a-particular-role thing kinda irks me 00:41 not that I played caveman... 00:41 but, like, I can't be certain caveman are the only role that happens with... 00:41 and.. well... 00:42 I kinda prefer that the dungeon be the dungeon. it's *you* that changes when you pick a new role 00:42 not the dungeon 00:42 <@Loggers_VIII> i think he increased the difficulty of them by 1, but you would get groups of compsognathus like 20-strong easily, from the time you hit maybe xp 4 or 5. and it's not like a caveman really has a wealth of options at their disposal to start with, so sometimes you just die 00:42 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha), 61218 points, T:17733, quit 00:43 yeah. not sure I understand what the point of that is 00:43 <@Loggers_VIII> it was hilarious, no one else was playing caveman so one else was getting them - since no one else was complaining, i figured i was just playing badly and they weren't actually an issue 00:44 haha 00:44 <@Loggers_VIII> i didn't know they were caveman specific lol 00:44 btw, did you see a kind of abnormal frequency of baby dragons? 00:45 like, there were just a whole lot of baby dragons around all the time? 00:45 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah, i think nerf uses slashem logic where they can spawn anywhere instead of just in branches they're aligned with 00:45 okay 00:45 just checking 00:45 <@Loggers_VIII> the baby shimmering dragons were real bastards. low AC, displacement and a stunning bite 00:45 heh, yeah 00:46 but you know, it really did make the taming scroll something to actively seek out 00:46 especially for knights, because of the saddle 00:46 *their saddle 00:46 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah, the opportunity for an early dragon pet is nothing to scoff at 00:47 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1132 (0:08:02) 00:47 you didn't like the price id nerf? 00:47 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:1188 (0:08:49) 00:47 thought you might see some appeal in that one 00:48 <@Loggers_VIII> it was actually great for my illiterate cavemen who got a bunch more money from selling scrolls 00:48 haha 00:48 that's right, I forgot you get some kind of advantage for illiteracy 00:48 is it XP gains or something? 00:48 <@Loggers_VIII> yep, increased HP growth 00:49 oh, nice 00:49 <@Loggers_VIII> it's not really worth it but it's something different to do so I do it anyway 00:49 cool 00:49 <@Loggers_VIII> plus, having big HP number is fun 00:49 with all those gnathoalsdkfaldskfjers, seems like you can use it 00:50 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah it was practically mandatory illiterate for a bit heh 00:51 right now there's a bug where pets don't regenerate hit points.. 00:51 <@Loggers_VIII> huh, not at all? weird 00:51 ...which is kind of a drag 00:51 yeah. not at all 00:51 <@Loggers_VIII> healer or bust i guess if you want a pet that lives for any significant amount of time 00:52 heh 00:52 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:9007 (1:32:27) 00:52 yeah 00:53 you know, I don't think I even considered playing healer 00:54 <@Loggers_VIII> i only ever have patience for pets when i play healer 00:55 <@Loggers_VIII> because the stethoscope and spells make it easy to micromanage them 00:55 makes sense. they probably should just call them pet-havers 00:55 well, they could 00:55 <@Loggers_VIII> petless healer is honestly kinda fun too because you're weak on offense at first but it's hard to kill you 00:56 hah. "you're a bad fighter. pretty much not one at all. but it's real hard to finish you off. GO GO GO" 00:57 well if they were pet-havers, they start with a leash 00:57 <@Loggers_VIII> exactly! :P 00:58 <@Loggers_VIII> i think tourists can start with a leash 00:58 oh really? 00:59 <@Loggers_VIII> i'm pretty sure they have chances of starting with a leash, towel, tin opener and magic marker 00:59 <@Loggers_VIII> of course, no marker in evil 00:59 money darts and food for days, or money a stethoscope and a sack lunch 01:00 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Hum Fem Law), 3267 points, T:3057, killed by a gray unicorn 01:00 oh, that camera though 01:00 healers get a robe though, right? 01:00 <@Loggers_VIII> nope, just some gloves 01:01 i see 01:02 <@Loggers_VIII> the wiki is funny when it's talking about these chances. "a 1⁄25 chance of a magic marker (effective ~3.85% chance or 15024⁄390625)" like oh, thanks for including that last fraction. ~3.85% is pretty hard to grasp, but 15024⁄390625? that i can understand 01:03 lol 01:04 I'd guess the fraction is the real chance, and the percentage quoted is the clarifying estimate 01:05 it is funny how it reads the other way around though! 01:05 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah, fraction is exact chance 01:06 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) made his first wish - "Blessed +3 Grayswandir", on T:9806 (1:46:36) 01:06 <@Loggers_VIII> i just find it weird to include this. i guess for the sake of completeness? 01:07 knowing when to elide details can be difficult 01:08 sometimes it's helpful. sometimes it isn't 01:08 sometimes it depends who is doing the reading 01:09 and then whatareyougonnado 01:09 <@Loggers_VIII> i think if you for some reason really really want the exact chance you can find the damn 15024/390625 on your own, but i think this is also why i am not in charge of the wiki 01:10 i think it's cute 01:11 but probably not very helpful 01:11 but is helping what the wiki is for? HMM? 01:11 maybe it's just to inform! 01:12 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah. i can forgive the wiki for being a little self-indulgent but to me the wiki is just there to help players 01:12 to let you know the Truth 01:12 <@Loggers_VIII> hah we came up on the same topic, though i was a little late 01:12 heh 01:13 <@Loggers_VIII> i usually write strategy sections for that reason, if there's some way to survive a situation or kill a monster the wiki better mention it 01:15 seems to me like that is going to be necessarily incomplete... 01:15 ...but I bet it is helpful 01:16 i'm a healer facing down a leocrotta. what do I do. help me wiki 01:16 <@Loggers_VIII> haha well yes, but it's good to cover all the specific bases presented by a specific monster 01:17 <@Loggers_VIII> the wiki probably tells you to try your wand of sleep 01:17 yeah 01:17 <@Loggers_VIII> (assuming you didn't use it all up :)) 01:17 problem solved ! nothing more to see. NEXT! 01:19 <@Loggers_VIII> sadly the wiki is not yet capable of holding your hand through every step of a specific combat scenario :p 01:19 tragic 01:20 <@Loggers_VIII> but hey that's what we have IRC for! 01:20 heh 01:20 it is, though, right? 01:21 <@Loggers_VIII> well allegedly it can be used for other things 01:22 <@Loggers_VIII> but that's the main function I believe 01:22 not sure 01:23 information exchange ? 01:23 seems too simple 01:23 I think people are more complicated 01:24 it's theatre 01:24 maybe 01:25 <@Loggers_VIII> I like this interpretation 01:25 <@Loggers_VIII> I'm playing Loggers very well, right now. one could say I know the role inside and out 01:26 lol :D 01:28 <@Loggers_VIII> well it's been nice chatting but i fear i must sleep before i become even more sleep deprived 01:28 good night, loggers 01:28 sleep well 01:28 <@Loggers_VIII> thanks! o/ 01:28 \o 01:28 -!- tinklebear has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 27.1] 02:08 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 16319 points, T:15605, killed by an ogre, while sleeping 02:17 -!- FIQ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:19 -!- FIQ has joined #evilhack 02:22 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:41 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a helm of speed entrusted to him by Kos, on T:15143 (2:27:25) 03:48 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 04:05 clocked out longer than I thought... 05:03 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:20 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:21 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 05:58 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed the ring of P'hul", on T:19143 (3:24:01) 05:58 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 28183 points, T:19150, killed by Pelias 06:16 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1023 (0:13:00) 06:31 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: [brb]] 06:36 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3194 (0:36:26) 06:41 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (creeping mounds), on T:2939 (0:37:55) 06:55 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 06:57 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 06:57 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:58 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3479 (0:55:10) 06:58 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 07:08 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 6116 points, T:4540, poisoned by an orcish arrow 07:27 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:29 kinda think wraiths should be treated as treats/intrinsic-giving by meat eating monsters 07:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:108103 (1 day, 20:41:31) 07:50 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:108729 (1 day, 20:55:41) 07:50 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:108730 (1 day, 20:55:46) 08:39 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:39 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 08:50 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:26133 (5:49:06) 09:20 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2311 (0:27:05) 09:27 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) destroyed DragonSidedD's ghost, the former Student of Stones, on T:28999 (6:26:18) 09:34 -!- rebatelo has joined #evilhack 09:35 -!- tsadok has joined #evilhack 09:40 -!- jonadab has quit [*.net *.split] 09:40 -!- bhaak has quit [*.net *.split] 09:50 -!- bhaak has joined #evilhack 09:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:2809 (0:22:32) 09:55 Man, I'm so out of the loop... I finally actually read the release notes. The Druid role sounds AWESOME k2!!! Definitely going to give it a shot when i spla- err ascend! 10:00 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3162 (0:30:41) 10:02 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:04 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 10:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1250 (0:06:58) 10:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 13519 points, T:8202, killed by a vampire bat 10:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 307 points, T:1420, killed by a piranha 10:12 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) murdered Axel, her faithful pseudodragon, on T:552 (0:02:27) 10:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 0 points, T:28, killed by a bolt of fire 10:18 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 10:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 322 points, T:1299, killed by a bugbear 10:22 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 10:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 946 points, T:1461, killed by a mastodon, while moving through the air 10:28 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:5309 (0:58:46) 10:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4071 (0:24:37) 10:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4491 (0:28:28) 11:02 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:7077 (1:13:11) 11:13 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:7472 (1:24:13) 11:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:5834 (0:45:13) 11:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:828 (0:04:57) 11:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 250 points, T:1376, killed by a blast of fire 11:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) averted death (killed by a dust vortex), on T:7514 (1:01:00) 11:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 8977 points, T:8185, killed by a gnoll 11:47 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 101 points, T:539, killed by a sewer rat 11:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 grayswandir", on T:48139 (14:27:17) 11:57 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1388 (0:08:41) 11:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Hum Mal Neu) used a forge to create the Gauntlets of Purity, on T:48161 (14:30:32) 11:58 OK, just got a throne wish right at the start 11:59 danger danger 11:59 wizard again? 11:59 last time I asked I got an oilskin toque to deal with satyrs and mindflayers, but I'm in goblin town, and im not worried about those yet 11:59 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) 12:00 so many options :-) you can prevent poison instadeath, get reflection or free action, start killing things with secespita in preparation for making the staff later... 12:01 yes, same, I like casting spells for now. I dont have enchant armor identified, so I dont know if I shoudl get any dragon scales ( will have to take off my cloak of MR. I do die from poison a lot. 12:02 Dragonhide is considered magical right, so I cant wish for dragonhide helm of venom? 12:02 oh, secespita does grant poison resistance too 12:02 you CAN wish for a dragonhide toque of venom 12:03 ooh. secespita says it is chaotic for non-infidels, is it one of the artifacts that will blast me? 12:03 but yeah, for a wizard, secespita is cute because it (1) prevents poison instadeath, (2) gives you a decent melee attack, (3) keeps your power topped up, and (4) can be turned into the staff when you get your first altar 12:04 yes it should give you a little dainty blast sadly...what is your health? 12:04 42, with MR, so 2d10 right? 12:05 yeah that should be totally survivable 12:05 but dont sue me 12:05 OK, Ive never tried that here, so I'll give it a shot, worst case I die again :-D 12:05 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1250 (0:07:42) 12:06 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "The blessed fixed +3 Secespita", on T:1444 (0:16:54) 12:06 !! 12:06 stab with it in good health 12:06 may you get a dl4 altar + forge 12:06 having staff of the archmagi before mines would be hysterical 12:07 and I got +3, nice There is always the forge here in goblintown 12:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Dra Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a black pudding), on T:28 (0:00:21) 12:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Dra Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a black pudding), on T:33 (0:00:22) 12:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Dra Fem Cha), 0 points, T:36, killed by a black pudding, while running out of chances to revive 12:16 -!- krm26 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:17 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 12:24 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 12:25 do draugr get an alignment penalty for attacking peacefuls? 12:25 dunno sorry 12:25 kind of assume so 12:25 I can check in a moment 12:28 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:109612 (1 day, 22:19:00) 12:28 -!- NetSysFire has quit [Quit: generic quit message] 12:30 -!- NetSysFire has joined #evilhack 12:32 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) rejected atheism by offering a hill orc corpse on an altar of Moloch, on T:4523 (0:43:09) 12:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Kni Dra Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3300 (0:10:40) 12:36 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 12:38 farlooking myself... 12:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Kni Dra Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a large dog, on T:4914 (0:14:42) 12:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Kni Dra Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4940 (0:15:07) 12:39 @ a human or other humanoid (invisible dark elven knight called tinklebear, mounted on invisible Shadow [seen: ultravision, telepathy])--More-- 12:39 I do not have see invisible 12:39 you have ultravision 12:40 I do. that does not give you the ability to see invisible creatures 12:40 I mean presumably you can tell that you're riding your dragon even if it's invisible 12:40 I do have extrinsic telepathy at the moment 12:40 that would do it, then 12:40 the telepathy 12:41 it says telepathy 12:41 why does it also say ultravision? 12:41 that is what I think is odd 12:41 the ultravision is for you, the telepathy for your dragon 12:41 we are both invisible 12:41 huh, dunno then 12:42 telepathy lets you see them both 12:42 it does. why does it say ultravision as well 12:42 right, why's it list ultravision then is the question 12:43 weird. idk how farlook works 12:43 also, a side question: if I can see us both (via telepathy), why do I only see '@'? 12:43 usually while mounted on my horse I would see 'u' 12:44 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Gollum, on T:3266 (0:37:26) 12:44 all else equal (which it is not, in this case since we are invisible, etc) 12:44 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Gno Fem Neu) genocided antimatter vortices, on T:110082 (1 day, 22:34:27) 12:45 anyway, just thought I'd share the observation while it was on my mind 12:45 how goes today? 12:46 idk anything about riding so i couldn't tell ya 12:46 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Hum Fem Law), 4063 points, T:3453, poisoned by an orcish arrow 12:46 sure. just throwing it out there 12:46 i am playing a game without advancing or making use of skills cuz i think it's funny 12:47 hah, that's awesome 12:47 and yeah, the "ultravision" does seem to apply just to me 12:48 I dismounted, and now the horse is just seen via "telepathy", but I'm still "ultravison, telepathy" 12:52 !tell K2: my petless conduct got broken because someone activated a figurine and gave me a pet. I really think this should be safeguarded against 12:52 No worries, Loggers_VIII, I've got this! 12:53 that seems so wrong 12:54 I mean, I get it that monsters that aren't you don't have pets... 12:55 but there are aspects of the game that seem kinda you-centric in a cringe sort of way 12:55 and that's one of them 12:55 it's to mimic the chance that the player gets a hostile pet when they apply a figurine 12:55 not a hostile pet 12:55 hostile monster 12:55 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Gno Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:110342 (1 day, 22:45:54) 12:56 but yeahhhh it's lame to have a conduct that can just be broken on a complete diceroll 12:58 what's your new pet? 12:58 a manes lol 12:58 :D 12:59 too slooooow 12:59 i left it behind cuz i still wanna keep the conduct going even if unofficial 12:59 not that they're much use anyway :P 12:59 yeah 13:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Kni Dra Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a dark elven watch captain), on T:8081 (0:30:55) 13:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Kni Dra Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a piranha), on T:8092 (0:31:04) 13:00 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:1282 (0:05:57) 13:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Kni Dra Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:8677 (0:33:31) 13:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Kni Dra Fem Cha), 8628 points, T:8697, killed by Mr. Manlobbi; the shopkeeper, while running out of chances to revive 13:03 I kinda thought draugr would be cool because of the illness bite, but no shops is really annoying 13:05 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1907 (0:10:05) 13:05 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:06 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 13:07 what does manlobbi specialise in? I thought they were a generalist? 13:08 oh, never mind. 13:08 they are lol 13:08 Draugr means "no shops 4u" 13:08 i get it 13:08 period, yeah 13:08 bummer 13:08 well not period, you can finagle your way in but then you get ultra-fucked prices even then 13:09 truly a sad state of affairs 13:09 cold harsh undeath 13:12 oh, sweet. you can start with a skeletal pony 13:13 (I understand that's not allowed under the loggers challenge) 13:13 specifically as draugr knight 13:13 of course 13:13 alright, time to lock in, got me some Shit to document 13:13 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Yeshua's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:3381 (0:19:01) 13:14 good luck, Umbire 13:16 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible coplate's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:3971 (0:21:30) 13:24 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:24 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 13:28 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a mithril hexagonal amulet on an altar, on T:4464 (0:33:27) 13:31 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:8756 (1:39:52) 13:36 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) destroyed Nightsorrow's ghost, the former Ninja, on T:9557 (1:45:03) 13:38 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:9867 (1:46:56) 13:39 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:46 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven spear entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:11751 (1:54:47) 13:51 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) had a mithril knife entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:12827 (1:59:53) 13:53 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) had an oilskin cloak entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:13501 (2:01:35) 13:58 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:14110 (2:06:39) 14:04 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:9988 (2:15:21) 14:05 wookoo 14:08 Does the blacksmith hammer come pre-charged, or do I need to find a scroll of charging to forge artifacts? 14:10 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a wraith corpse, on T:8173 (1:15:28) 14:10 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8224 (1:15:45) 14:11 it comes pre-charged pretty sure 14:16 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Rat King, on T:8604 (1:21:58) 14:18 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17409 (2:26:18) 14:20 let's find out 14:21 Or shoudl I keep secespita for the free power recovery 14:21 decisions 14:22 I think I need to keep it until I get full poison resistance 14:25 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) had a pair of water walking boots entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:18002 (2:33:47) 14:26 I identified the hammer once, and it had like 6 charges I think 14:26 one data point, fwiw 14:28 @k2 I just saw something really wierd happen in evilhack. I used "_" to move to the stairs, but gut stuck running in a circle until something came into the room. Starting at frame 364 on this TTYrec: https://www.hardfought.org/nh/evil/trd-us/?file=https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/c/coplate/evilhack/ttyrec/2025-04-10.18:21:13.ttyrec.gz 14:29 I've seen that happen too 14:29 something quite similar 14:30 to frame 566 when something attacks me. 14:30 I never stopped and made note of it before, so I ghought I'd report it so k2 could troubleshoot, if he doesn't already know what it is 14:34 heh. it's pretty wild! 14:34 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible Koeranen's ghost, the former Trailblazer, on T:20348 (2:42:45) 14:38 oh man, I just found another magic lamp. I dont know what to get with my wish. since wishes are so different in evilhack. I'm going to take a break until more people are on tonight and come back to this 14:38 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/mkobj.c#L1112 14:38 also neutral gnomish wizard 14:39 you have MBane, presumably also have an uhhhh 14:39 cloak of MR that you started with? 14:39 yes, I have secespita, magicbane, cloak of MR 14:39 Im waiting to forge them until I confirm I have 100% poison resist 14:40 one thought was dragonhide toque of venom if I still needed poison 14:41 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:21812 (2:49:36) 14:41 I do need reflection, but have no scrolls of enchant armor ( not identified ) for dragon scale, though with magicbane now I can wear the scales as robe 14:42 I also have a silver dragon in the mines that I am getting ready to kill after I have more AC or something else to damage it besides magic missiles 14:42 ( if its not chameleon ) 14:43 the recommendation on my last good character was oilskin toque, to deal with mind flayers ( like the dark one ) 14:43 just poisoned darts alone can drop any dragon that isn't green 14:44 shadow dragons have poison resistance too 14:44 or them :B 14:44 but you get the broad strokes 14:44 also taking it you spied the line re: blacksmith hammer I linked tinklebear 14:45 nope 14:46 now I have. thanks, Umbire 14:49 chance for it to be cursed (or blessed) 14:50 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 25242 points, T:11392, killed by a homunculus 14:50 :( 14:50 welp, thats what I get 14:50 get for doing what? 14:51 for not actually logging out and coming back later 14:51 :-D 14:51 oh noes 14:51 lol 14:51 be back after work 14:51 o/ 14:51 maybe I can convince K2 to restore it before the infinite walking loop :-D, if possible, but I doubt it 14:51 ha 14:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:52211 (16:47:32) 14:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:52233 (16:48:27) 14:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1220 (0:20:02) 14:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 oilskin cloth elven helm", on T:52242 (16:49:21) 15:12 coplate that's vanilla nethack travel logic. i wouldnt even know where to begin to address ro change any of that behavior 15:12 K2: Message from Loggers_VIII at 2025-04-10 12:52 EDT: my petless conduct got broken because someone activated a figurine and gave me a pet. I really think this should be safeguarded against 15:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:52655 (17:03:54) 15:12