00:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3566 (1:10:57) 00:12 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 303128 points, T:28823, killed by a blue dragon 00:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (samurai), on T:14926 (3:42:09) 00:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 35905 points, T:14926, killed by genocidal confusion 00:16 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:17701 (2:46:52) 00:35 -!- Imanity has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:43 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 69496 points, T:21113, killed by a gulthias tree 00:56 well that's unlucky-ish, found the trap door before the goblin king 00:56 but the One Ring was right by the stair so we take those 00:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:5822 (2:09:43) 01:00 two wand of lightning zaps 01:24 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1140 points, T:2153, killed by a water moccasin 01:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Crom, on T:8819 (2:41:15) 01:31 That didn't take long! 01:37 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:2024 (0:12:46) 01:38 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1425 points, T:2226, killed by a piranha 02:01 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3052 (0:22:32) 02:08 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1863 points, T:3632, killed by the Goblin King, while praying 02:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Hum Mal Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:13435 (3:56:41) 02:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Hum Mal Neu) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:13847 (4:07:13) 03:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:14509 (4:16:23) 03:12 Satyrs are assholes, confirmed 03:22 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:15740 (4:35:35) 04:01 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 04:02 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 04:03 -!- mobileuser has quit [Client Quit] 04:32 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 04:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 26932 points, T:20493, killed by a drow cleric, while paralyzed by a monster 04:59 blocked off by my idiot cat 05:01 adjustments are in order strategy wise but not too bad for a dustoff run 05:26 drow clerics are a pain at that stage 05:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Havoc (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:39221 (11:34:23) 05:27 I notice no beholders at Kas and I haven't genocided them yet 05:27 something has changed... 05:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3831 (0:31:23) 05:32 Hm 05:33 ab mobileuser first of all 05:33 but second, who do you normally geno first as a giant? 05:33 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:34 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 05:35 ab! 05:36 hmm 05:36 locust perhaps 05:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (locusts), on T:3949 (0:36:41) 05:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:4760 (0:42:12) 05:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 6253 points, T:5372, quit 05:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Havoc (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible Shrigis' ghost, the former Idolater, on T:40409 (12:06:24) 06:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Mon Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1656 (0:16:42) 06:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Mon Elf Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:2072 (0:21:46) 06:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Mon Elf Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3695 (0:45:22) 06:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 5318 points, T:3793, killed by a gnoll cleric 06:44 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest2210 06:44 -!- Guest2210 has quit [Killed (platinum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 06:44 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 07:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Dru Hum Mal Neu), 313 points, T:858, killed by a hawk 07:03 ok weird, now I do see 2 beholders with telepathy 07:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Kas, on T:46688 (1 day, 2:06:16) 07:19 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 07:19 aw shit, over lava 07:19 you dont want his sword anyway do you? 07:20 i cant believe unskilled kas will be better than expert harbinger 07:25 ring of slow digestion 07:26 that's the Kas prize :-) 07:26 retrieved 07:26 now I have to go back because an unavoidable VotD ice trap took my cold res 07:27 very annoying there is no way to disable ice traps 07:34 there is 07:34 dig them 07:35 'You destroy the ice trap with your pick-axe.' 07:35 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 07:37 ah, did you introduce that with the trap-in-mines fix? 07:38 si 07:38 thx, another thing for the wiki page... 07:38 AYE 07:38 A GOOD DAY I SAY 07:39 ach nae! 07:39 Mister Dalliard 07:39 We've been activated ;) 07:39 hah 07:40 some of those traps should explode if you destroy them like that 07:40 hmm 07:41 HMMM 07:41 ab K2 07:41 hai 07:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful flaming sphere, on T:22 (0:00:14) 07:41 also yeah 3.7 has that as well 07:42 at minimum for magic and anti-magic traps 07:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:33085 (22:47:22) 07:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful grid bug, on T:9 (0:00:10) 07:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Rog Dro Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:33108 (22:48:35) 07:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 600540 points, T:33108, quit 07:51 How I feel every time I play Evilhack 07:51 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT646cr9erY 07:52 hah 07:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1118 (0:05:16) 08:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3925 (0:22:33) 08:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:4844 (0:30:45) 08:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:5227 (0:34:49) 08:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:6200 (0:39:36) 09:05 You destroy the ice trap with your bone pick-axe. \o/ 09:05 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:05 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:06 ...and alarmingly cooler for the second time, time to go hunting on the ice queen branch 09:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed +3 dragonhide t-shirt of decay", on T:7484 (0:47:24) 09:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:8608 (0:53:23) 09:12 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:871 (0:02:15) 09:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "blessed +3 Secespita", on T:8629 (0:54:10) 09:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Law), 1606 points, T:1282, killed by a gnoll 09:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) used a forge to create The Staff of the Archmagi, on T:8926 (0:56:32) 09:16 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed Fire Brand", on T:49608 (15:09:01) 09:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide alchemy smock", on T:8984 (0:57:51) 09:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:9315 (1:00:05) 09:19 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:49934 (15:12:32) 09:21 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3236 points, T:3839, quit 09:26 does wearing the hand of vecna provide cold resistance? 09:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1270 (0:03:16) 09:27 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:28 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:28 I THINK so? 09:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Law) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1652 (0:04:45) 09:29 not mentioned on the wiki 09:29 checking code... 09:30 nope 09:30 Seems not then 09:31 prob. thinking of the SLASH'EM one 09:31 which amusingly means you could kill yourself if you trigger the new explosive area of effect cold damage 09:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Law), 4262 points, T:2414, killed by a gnome lady 09:38 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) had a steel two-handed sword entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:51006 (15:30:53) 09:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Hum Mal Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Ishtar, on T:48038 (1 day, 2:39:25) 09:55 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 10:05 -!- Imanity has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vecna, on T:48610 (1 day, 3:05:50) 10:40 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1605 points, T:2006, quit 10:54 -!- Dingotron2 has joined #evilhack 10:56 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:51832 (16:20:22) 10:56 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:51840 (16:20:35) 10:59 -!- dingotron has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:02 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 11:06 \o/ 11:11 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:11 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 11:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Hum Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:49364 (1 day, 3:47:43) 11:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Hum Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:49365 (1 day, 3:47:50) 11:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Hum Mal Neu) genocided alhoons, on T:49368 (1 day, 3:48:34) 11:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Hum Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:49370 (1 day, 3:49:35) 11:18 woah WoW wrest 11:18 what is happening 11:18 Yep, feels good 11:19 HAX\ 11:19 dirty evil HAX 11:19 I can't remember ever getting an evilhack WoW wrest before :-) 11:19 fake news 11:19 you're just saying that to try and give krm26 hope 11:19 kekw 11:20 :P 11:37 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 11:38 Hello all.  Just wanted to tell K2 and whoever put it in that I got a kick out of a message while hallucinating.  It said "You kill the meeple."   Love it! 11:39 Also I was concerned that while not hallucinating, my pet and I were in a room with an arrow trap that I walked into and out of.  Next thing I know, my pet walked into it and was killed.  I thought that if my dog/cat is in the room and sees me go through a trap (an arrow was shot at me) that they "know" to avoid that square because of the trap. 11:39 Has something changed or is my presumption wrong? 11:40 Vanilla. 1/40 chance to enter a known trap anyway, since it might be required to keep up with the hero. 11:40 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 141 points, T:753, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted water elemental 11:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11710 (1:14:29) 11:41 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 224034 points, T:48567, fell to his death 11:43 -!- aosdict has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:44 especially those darn squeaky boards in goblin town 11:44 hmm can you pick-axe those too now... 11:48 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:48 -!- terrapin has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:50 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 11:51 Can you get see invisible 2 ways?  I drank the water at a fountain and got the message like "You see something stalking you.  But it disappears".  Now I stepped onto a magic trap and it said "You feel an odd sensation.  Your eyes tingle for a moment."  Did I get something different? 11:55 mobileuser, https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/The_Hand_of_Vecna_(EvilHack) 11:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:768 (0:02:36) 11:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (black dragons), on T:775 (0:02:50) 11:56 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 656 points, T:1496, killed by a bronze arrow 11:56 thx Umbire 11:59 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:00 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3059 (0:19:09) 12:00 <@Loggers_VIII> it is INCREDIBLY annoying that the stairs in the mines can be in a location that you can’t access without digging, now that there’s fairly big consequences for killing a peaceful dwarf 12:01 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 12:01 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 840 points, T:3078, killed by a giant bat 12:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Law), 2631 points, T:1607, quit 12:03 <@Loggers_VIII> maybe zombies are my best friend now 12:07 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 101 points, T:401, killed by a water elemental 12:12 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 462 points, T:537, killed by a magic missile 12:14 Tell Loggers_VIII the stairs have been in odd places in the Mines for a long time now. 12:15 Hmmm, that functionality doesn't work when he's not in the room.  Go figure? 12:21 I mean the message was also from the message side 12:21 s/message side/Discord side 12:21 and I think he's well aware, doesn't make it any less annoying (honestly I hate that shit too) 12:25 -!- aosdict has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:31 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 12:35 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:4880 (0:29:36) 12:37 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading an apron, on T:4997 (0:31:27) 12:47 adapt and overcome 12:47 dbanethacker, use !tell to send a msg 12:49 @Loggers_VIII might be on the other side of the gateway. 12:50 Unfortnately, tab-completing nicks to hilight people is not one of the features that makes it across the gateway. 12:59 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:2962 (0:17:18) 12:59 the bot can save msgs for discord users 13:00 !tell @Loggers_VIII you're a total jerk. a real kneebiter 13:00 Will do, K2! 13:00 see? 13:00 Ah, ok. 13:00 Useful feature. 13:04 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3449 (0:22:21) 13:06 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 13:06 <@Loggers_VIII> heh 13:06 @Loggers_VIII: Message from K2 at 2025-03-11 13:00 EDT: you're a total jerk. a real kneebiter 13:07 :P 13:07 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 13:08 dbanethacker: yeah, i'm aware the stairs have been able to spawn in silly locations for a long time, but now i'm much less willing to kill a dwarf for a pick because alignment record impacts quality of sacrifice gifts 13:09 it's kind of fun to deliver zombies to kill peaceful monsters, though 13:11 [hdf-us] [evil] MinoLoggers (Pri Trt Fem Law), 2227 points, T:2973, killed by the Goblin King 13:12 -!- aosdict has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:13 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4598 (0:31:51) 13:13 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4601 (0:31:56) 13:20 -!- rebatelo has joined #evilhack 13:20 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4997 (0:38:53) 13:21 so um yeah. from discussion last night, the former method of making a trap kit is more complicated :) 13:24 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:28 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 13:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 156 points, T:778, killed by a small mimic 13:39 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:41 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1415 points, T:2116, killed by an orc shaman 13:44 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1899 (0:12:14) 13:45 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Rat King, on T:8750 (1:03:33) 13:48 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9065 (1:06:34) 13:54 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a stone golem, on T:9647 (1:13:02) 14:05 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1283 (0:23:52) 14:11 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 14:12 rough draft of a working trap kit 14:12 super duper rough 14:13 as in... pre-alpha 14:13 it works but it's really janky 14:13 there are already 2 vanilla traps you can set though , landmine and bear trap 14:14 just wanted to get something to actually compile without errors, and see it work 14:14 mobileuser yes i know. this is for other more complex traps 14:16 what i just set up is: trap kit (has charges), x amount of a type of component -> use trap kit, charge is consumed, component is consumed, boom you've just set a trap of 14:16 *just set a trap 14:16 so for example, find 10 arrows. use trap kit, transforms those 10 arrows into an arrow trap 14:17 pretty cool 14:18 i'm debating on whether using teh trap kit makes/sets the trap automagically, or if it makes the trap itself which you can then set later on 14:18 and i havent even figured out the menu system for it yet 14:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:18984 (2:20:51) 14:19 apply trap kit to ingredient? won't need a menu? 14:19 Oh no. Monsters will be able to trap me by setting spicy memes as bait xD 14:20 well you could get away without a menu 14:20 you'd just have to learn what the components are 14:21 just like with forging 14:21 that would simplify things 14:21 The Trapper Book :-P 14:22 'mobileuser's guide to making traps (w/ munchy box recipes!)' 14:22 -!- terrapin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:27 \o/ 14:40 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:4102 (0:48:57) 14:42 ya trap kits! 14:42 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:4367 (0:51:37) 14:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:21231 (2:40:51) 14:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:21233 (2:41:04) 14:43 I think the key to the trap gameplay is the ability for certain chars to be able to safely traverse traps that they themselves set. 14:44 perhaps 14:44 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 2612 points, T:4691, killed by an Uruk-hai, while being terrified of a ghost 14:44 trying to remember if thieves in NWN could do that 14:44 i wish i had a computer that could play games like that 14:44 I imagine the way to get monsters into a trap is to get them to chase you into the trap. 14:45 Tools ('(') 14:45 e - an uncursed lock pick (4 aum) 14:45 f - an uncursed trap kit (0:20) (25 aum) 14:45 ^ rogues will start with a trap kit 14:45 10-30 'charges' 14:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) completed his quest without incident, on T:21690 (2:44:13) 14:47 semi/un related, I remember once spontaneously trying to lure the wizard of yendor to step on a landmine. It didn't work though, I had forgotten the damn Wizard flys! 14:48 heh 14:48 Boom! You made a trap! 14:49 ^ test msg for success 14:49 gonna need to borrow some code from set_trap() maybe 14:52 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1384 (0:13:20) 15:01 In my (limited) imagination I would think of rangers associated with outdoorsy-big game traps (spear traps/spiked pit, bear traps), and rogues with sneaky more-indoorsy assassination traps (poison dart traps, door traps?) 15:03 right now i'm just attempting to make using a trap kit be able to make most of the already existing traps 15:03 a pit? no. you can already make a pit by digging 15:03 a spiked pit, i dunno 15:03 that would get tricky maybe 15:04 that makes sense. I suppose just in case you wanted to add restrictions as to which of existing traps were easier to make by class, I guess there could be ways to match up those restrictions with the flavor of those roles. 15:05 idea i had was making a new skill specifically for crafting traps 15:05 basic skill you can make things like arrow/dart traps 15:06 skilled, could make things like beartraps, spear traps 15:06 I could see that working too! 15:06 expert - land mines, magic-based traps 15:06 trapsmanship 15:06 just spitballing 15:07 i need to get a functional bit of code working correctly first 15:11 maybe you need to have skill in trap but also skill in the ingredients? Like you need at least basic in darts or spear to have success in making the associated trap? Kinda like how two-weapon depends on both the two-weapon skill and the weapon skill? That would inherently add some role-based flavor to how you use the trap skill. Dunno how that would apply to magic traps though!! 15:12 needing 2 skills would make it overly complicated, no one would want to make traps 15:13 Traps which have some mid game purpose would be useful 15:14 Like increasing physical/elemental vulnerability of demon lords 15:15 <@K2> right now i'm just attempting to make using a trap kit be able to make most of the already existing traps 15:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Hum Mal Neu) genocided beholders, on T:49378 (1 day, 3:55:59) 15:29 @imanity that's a cool idea. If you have build around a certain elemental damage, being able to boost that with traps is neat. 15:30 It'll enable far more strategies too. Like luring tiamat into your fire trap so he doesn't have to be a melee slugfest 15:31 the benefit of a skill is you can make it a role benefit (i.e. rangers and rogues would be Very Good At Traps), but I'm not sure about the skill scaling being just the pool of traps you can make 15:32 also a bunch of the most significant traps are magic based so if you lock them behind expert then either only a couple roles can do them or you face pressure to allow more roles to become expert 15:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:25541 (3:16:36) 15:35 perhaps scaling the probability of success, and failing not only consumes a charge but also the ingredients 15:35 ya, it would be hard to imaging allocating skill points up to expert just in traps. 15:39 also probably some traps should just be uncraftable. land mines require explosives and oil ain't gonna cut it flavor-wise (it would be used for fire traps anyway). you can only set land mines using the land mine item. 15:39 magic beam traps I struggle to think of how you would justify creating a trap that blasts stuff like acid when there's no wand of wonder or acid or anything 15:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Geryon, on T:49705 (1 day, 4:09:56) 15:44 -!- rebatelo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Neferet the Green, on T:26512 (3:25:10) 15:54 I need one more dilithium crystal to make CPM. What's the best way to get it? 15:55 oof, I think I just got Loggers' gehennom bones 15:55 where is krm26 :-) 15:59 Yes 15:59 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Loggers/evilhack/dumplog/1740893546.evil.html 16:01 messy 16:02 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1075 (0:03:47) 16:05 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 1088 points, T:1557, killed by a bugbear 16:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Arch (Dru Hum Mal Neu), 41 points, T:248, killed by a lichen 16:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Arch (Dru Hum Mal Neu), 476 points, T:1945, killed by a giant bat 16:19 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:36 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 16:36 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:11574 (1:17:01) 16:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Havoc (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:41112 (12:22:24) 16:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:29679 (4:02:57) 16:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a sea dragon), on T:29752 (4:03:46) 16:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had a staff of escape entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:30587 (4:12:14) 17:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Havoc (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had a magical light green spellbook given to her by Anhur, on T:43296 (13:00:49) 17:31 [hdf-us] [evil] LiamTheDruid (Dru Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4589 (1:37:59) 17:46 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.5.1] 17:47 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 18:11 For bear traps, they wouldn't have to be craftable if they were just lighter to carry around after you find one. Even if just for certain roles. Precedent being how inventory weight is reduced for boulders and giants. Tactical usefulness of beartraps is mostly just negated by their weight to carry around. 18:12 ofc. making them craftable out of lighter-weight ingredients could achieve the same thing! 18:15 Arch lich and Medusa loose in the Castle xd 18:15 No fireball/acid blast 18:15 this is gonna be fun xd 18:16 -!- Imanity has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:16 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 18:17 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 18:24 omg 18:25 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Gia Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:9856 (1:52:14) 18:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:11521 (2:09:27) 18:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Gia Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 dragonbane", on T:11541 (2:10:37) 18:55 -!- rebatelo has joined #evilhack 18:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:36759 (5:21:38) 19:40 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:26717 (2:26:59) 19:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide toque", on T:37801 (5:43:55) 19:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) wished for "Blessed +3 dragonhide boots of speed", on T:37805 (5:44:26) 19:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:37937 (5:47:24) 19:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Tal'Gath, on T:38183 (5:51:28) 19:56 decided to have the trap kit make specialized trap kits instead of just making the trap outright 19:57 making it outright gets wonky, bypasses things like use_trap() and the other functions it calls 19:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Gia Mal Neu) had a pair of mithril gauntlets entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:13513 (2:41:13) 20:07 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:30458 (2:54:18) 20:09 Using your trap kit, you craft your 10 arrows to build an arrow trap kit (50 aum). 20:09 heh 20:09 what's another name for 'kit' 20:10 i dont want 'trap kit' and then trap kit if i can help it 20:10 and I cant use just 'arrow trap' because trap.h already reserved all those onames 20:11 arrow trap assembly? 20:11 hmm 20:12 i pulled this up - https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/kit 20:12 not getting a warm n' fuzzy 20:13 OR 20:13 rename the generic trap kit 20:14 Big Box o' Traps (tm) 20:14 kit makes it sound weirdly prepackaged 20:15 utility pack 20:15 hah 20:15 like a fanny pack 20:15 a murse 20:15 (male purse) 20:16 YASI: bag of traps 20:16 \o/ 20:16 that would create a random trap on your space 20:16 aosdict that's a YANI 20:16 that sounds pretty cool actually 20:18 is the flavor with this kit system that you are using your skill and knowledge of dungeon traps to make one that's good enough to fool other monsters, no magic involved? 20:18 because if magic were involved, you could just have like a wand of trap creation 20:18 wave wand, boom my arrows are now an arrow trap 20:19 that avoids the flavor of "trap kits" or "packs" 20:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:39977 (6:16:48) 20:19 yeah no magic involved, other than some of the components needed for certain traps 20:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:40008 (6:17:21) 20:20 example: wand of fire will be the component to make a magci beam trap that shoots fire beams 20:20 *magic 20:20 a wand of poly to make a poly trap 20:20 etc etc 20:20 I guess "fooling other monsters" is not a high bar because you can dig a gaping pit in the floor and monsters will fall into it 20:20 does evilhack have the xnh trap ammo system? 20:20 yeah some traps wont be available for this function 20:21 no it doesnt 20:21 it prob should 20:21 how will you make a magic beam trap that only shoots fire? 20:21 a magic beam trap when generated randomly picks what type of beam it shoots 20:21 or how will you prevent someone turning 10 arrows into an arrow trap, then immediately disarming it to make 40 arrows? 20:21 if making the trap, you could specify what kind based on the component used 20:22 well 10 arrows is just what i set for now 20:22 like i said earlier, this is pre-alpha 20:22 yeah but you see the problem 20:22 i just wanna see it work 20:22 yes 20:22 or using bunches of 10 regular darts to make dart traps and then disarming them to get silver/adamant/steel/etc darts 20:23 material can be a factor just like it is with forging 20:23 that plus using your ammo system 20:23 with the trap ammo system you don't need material 20:23 the ammo stores it on the object 20:23 ah 20:23 even better 20:24 but you will still run into edge cases like "I can disarm a fire beam trap to get a wand of fire, but I can't disarm an acid beam trap to get a wand of acid" because the latter doesn't exist 20:24 you cant disarm magic beam traps without destroying them 20:25 YANI: if a rogue and disarming a trap, instead of ammo you have option to disarm it into it's kit 20:26 aosdict if your trap ammo system just one commit or is it a bunch of commits? 20:27 can i search 'trap ammo system' ? 20:27 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:30932 (3:13:33) 20:27 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:30932 (3:13:48) 20:27 uh there are definitely fixes after the initial commit, I don't remember if there was any substantial update to it that wasn't a bugfix 20:27 kk 20:28 looks like the initial implementation was 3 commits 20:28 I used `git log --author=copperwater --all-match --grep=trap --grep=ammo` 20:29 of note, not all traps use ammo. most are just traps 20:29 yeah there's at least a dozen commits relating to this 20:29 heh 20:29 i'll have a look at it 20:30 you have commits spanning 3 yrs concerning trap ammo 20:30 food time, back in a bit 20:36 I forgot the initial impetus for that was "elven rangers need to be able to untrap their beartraps and reuse them" 20:41 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Lolth, on T:33226 (3:27:53) 20:44 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 21:11 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest2767 21:11 -!- Guest2767 has quit [Killed (silver.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 21:11 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 21:12 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.5.1] 21:45 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:6200 (1:35:04) 22:10 -!- bouquet has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:06 -!- bouquet has joined #evilhack 23:09 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) became literate by engraving "aaa", on T:4165 (0:34:09) 23:24 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:5833 (0:48:59) 23:28 EvilHack Commits: Crafting traps, part 1: initial implementation. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/c4d6db6816c6be2d3239143b812a7821adc663d3 23:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Havoc (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:50426 (15:23:29) 23:33 bleh i forgot to update the windows tiles for new objects 23:33 git commit --amend 23:33 bah! another windows build error wtf 23:37 EvilHack Commits: Crafting traps, part 1: initial implementation. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/76fa9c8421c195bdcb2d9ab5c9bdd644c70b32b4 23:39 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:6621 (1:04:23) 23:40 EvilHack Commits: Fix: error C4703: potentially uninitialized local pointer variable 'o… https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/181f82ccd1fab7f4b71814b482b37681dde3a5a2 23:41 there we go 23:41 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:6791 (1:05:56) 23:44 [hdf-us] [evil] LiamTheDruid (Dru Hum Fem Neu), 5506 points, T:5559, killed by a bronze orcish arrow 23:58 -!- bouquet has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:58 -!- bouquet has joined #evilhack