00:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Dx34 (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 8318 points, T:5988, killed by a leocrotta 00:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Gollum, on T:612 (0:04:10) 00:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1357 (0:07:31) 00:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Cav Dwa Fem Law) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:5596 (0:27:44) 00:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Cav Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a pony, on T:6435 (0:32:25) 00:48 [hdf-au] [evil] Mystes (Dru Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:23816 (6:22:55) 00:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 16459 points, T:7725, zapped herself with a wand of striking 00:57 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 00:57 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Client Quit] 05:26 [hdf-au] [evil] Mystes (Dru Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Loggers the dwarf zombie, and former Wanderer, on T:30097 (8:17:03) 05:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:630 (0:02:55) 05:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 1304 points, T:2602, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs 05:46 -!- leakychipmunk has joined #evilhack 05:47 why would I get blamed for a pet destroying a tree with fire? 05:48 after hours and hours and hours of careful play any not abusing my alignment at all, a titan pet cast fire next to a tree and I felt "seriously guilty." 05:48 seems like a bug? 05:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:921 (0:04:21) 06:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) had a small shield entrusted to her by Venus, on T:2668 (0:15:18) 06:18 this new pet casting crap is seriously flawedregardless 06:18 and this really really fricking sucks 06:19 triple bones fully freaking loaded minetown and now I have ZERO interest in playing this character 06:19 and everything they all died to was no challenge 06:21 OMG no!    QUADRUPLE BONES! 06:23 let me convert to chaotic and play an anti-druid 06:23 what would a chaotic druid even be . . . . ? 06:24 this just really blows...... 06:25 hours of hyperfocus, 35,000 turns of alignment-abuse-free play...... 06:26 already had a freaking amazing character going and then find a L-O-A-D-E-D quadruple bones? 06:26 even had Magicbane here.... MR cloak, the rest of the tools I needed, at least a 100 scrolls 06:26 Asrtf;hglksx;tglokhnsftdk;olhksh;osrtkh 06:27 -!- leakychipmunk has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:29 :v 06:34 -!- Imanity has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 1625 points, T:5777, zombified by a dwarf zombie, while helpless 06:44 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:05 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 07:18 man id trade major alignment abuse for a stellar 4x bones any day :-) 07:37 conduct play... 07:38 so new bug discovered, druid gets blamed for pets setting fire to trees 07:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] diagonalo (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:8989 (1:00:09) 08:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] diagonalo (Val Hum Fem Law) had a spear entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:11352 (1:18:20) 08:25 -!- haexwise has joined #evilhack 08:26 -!- haexwise has quit [Changing host] 08:26 -!- haexwise has joined #evilhack 08:26 Hello. I know evilhack changes the way resistances work. Where can I see my current ones ? 08:27 you would need to have enlightenment to see that 08:28 So I have to note every time I get +5% poison resistance for example ? 08:28 well I don't, but if you play very carefully you could 08:29 ah ok thanks for the info 08:31 -!- haexwise has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] diagonalo (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:14477 (1:55:00) 08:47 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 08:48 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) entered the Wizard of Yendor's lair, on T:79579 (1 day, 0:41:41) 08:50 huh 08:50 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:79621 (1 day, 0:43:51) 08:52 leakychipmunk plays as Mystes on the hdf-au server 08:53 wish they had stuck around 08:53 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:79636 (1 day, 0:46:28) 08:53 except its pretty late where they are most likely 08:54 hey K2 08:56 hey 08:56 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 08:57 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:79840 (1 day, 0:50:36) 08:57 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had a magical dull spellbook given to her by Lolth, on T:2619 (0:28:50) 09:03 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed the giant high priestess of Moloch, on T:80034 (1 day, 0:56:39) 09:06 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:80052 (1 day, 0:59:45) 09:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] diagonalo (Val Hum Fem Law), 33198 points, T:15695, killed by Ms. Tringanoe; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 09:08 yeah i confirmed, druid gets dinged if their pet casts fire bolt and it kills a tree 09:08 wtf 09:09 in mcastu when a monster casts a spell at another monster, MON_CASTBALL is called in explode() meaning the monster takes blame 09:09 i obviously missed something 09:14 So, the boulder fort nerf is a bit unexpected 09:16 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 3664354 points, T:80123, killed by Lucifer (with the Amulet) 09:17  So much for that ... 09:25 awww 09:25 :/ 09:25 tell me how it went down, i havent seen the nerf in action yet 09:27 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:28 Lucifer (and all demon lords / princes?) can cast a spell to smash a boulder.  You can prepare for if if you're aware, but got caught with my pants down. Not a fan of the change at the moment -- looks like it forces you to melee Lucifer. Good luck to spellcasters. 09:29 yeah i know about the change, i was wondering how it went -- did he wait a bit if you reapplied the fort, etc 09:29 oh i just realized you didnt know ahead. so sorry man! that is brutal 09:29 ive gotten minion-with-a-wand-of-striking so many times that i always go prepared for multiple forts 09:30 !lastgame 09:30 krm26: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elron/evilhack/dumplog/1739644725.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/d/diagonalo/evilhack/dumplog/1740224716.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Mystes/evilhack/dumplog/1739955847.evil.html 09:31 so you normally draw him out so when you fort you can attack him at more teleport points? 09:31 there's a brief cooldown for uniques after they break a boulder (except for the riders) so you can reapply the fort and buy a lil bit of time 09:31 reset the fort 2 or 3 times. With better prep doable, but it's a bit of a difficulty spike. 09:32 the commit change - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/6f210b1fa2291be76998a71ec105931ecf6c166f 09:33 heh, when you platy evilhack on hardfought you should first see a page with all the commits since your last play :-) 09:34 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) had a stiletto entrusted to him by Ishtar, on T:68846 (17:02:03) 09:34 damn i was hoping id broken the weapon curse 09:34 not sure why a god would EVER gift a stiletto 09:36 So, now it's about ensuring you have some v large number of scrolls of earth I guess. Still not a fan, but that might just be sour grapes. 09:37 it is that or a bag full of paralysis 09:37 honestly, paralysis might be just an obligate better option with these changes, will have to see 09:38 i wish there were a few more strategic approaches to these things -- like, a better chance that a boss monster would decide to attack one of your tame minions instead of you each round, etc 09:38 I don't know how doable the paralysis route is ... gotta hit him, and tank some hits while you're trying to do it. 09:38 so if you could surround yourself with summons/tamings, you only got hit like one round in 4 or something 09:40 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 1496 points, T:5161, killed by a soldier ant 09:41 -!- Glasshopper has joined #evilhack 09:42 is confuse monster effective at all on lucifer? 09:43 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:44 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:45 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:45 if he doesnt resist yeah i'd think so 09:46 elron every time i've beat lucifer, I paralyze him 09:47 ive gone mano-a-mano with him a couple times with the hotdog, otherwise ive always boulder forted 09:48 has he had his damage output moosed since release? because i did just toe-to-toe him a few times in the early days (with gate suppression) 09:49 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) killed the invisible Ixoth, on T:29359 (6:26:47) 09:49 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:29360 (6:26:50) 09:50 k2: would be fun if aligned priests at temples took exception to you sacrificing their own race 09:51 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) completed his quest without incident, on T:29541 (6:28:37) 09:51 I've never got the paralysis route.  Once had a pet Archon with Demonbane take him out, otherwise boulder forts. With foreknowledge and some new types of prep the boulder breaking can certainly be overcome. Still though, a bit of an extra hurdle for spellcasters. 09:57 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 259 points, T:1689, killed by an acidic corpse 10:00 Presumably Gehennom  will be a bit more of shitshow as well, as you'll have to melee all the covetous monsters. 10:01 yeah unfortable grazzt is not on my to-do list 10:01 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) had a mithril dwarvish bearded axe entrusted to him by Ishtar, on T:71154 (17:29:09) 10:02 fixed the monster casting fire bolt killing tree blame 10:02 ugh 10:02 krm26 no priests dont care about who you sacrifice. all they care about is $$$ 10:02 Was it specifically because it was a pet doing it? 10:02 i hope leakychipmunk recovers, he sounded...distraught 10:03 did we have another jarlearl situation 10:03 Umbire yeah the bug was this: he has a pet titan, said pet cast fore bolt at a monster, a tree was next to the monster. tree was killed, druid took the blame 10:03 and when a druid kills a tree, its a severe penalty 10:03 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/86e9823799a4ba1f2efeaf7f719589214ad932a3 10:04 fore bolt, the spell that you're not sure whether it's a typo of force bolt or fire bolt :) 10:04 *fire bolt 10:04 guessed as much, the rest was p. straightforward if it was a case of pet blame 10:04 I'd have to try p. hard to resist a crash out after myself 10:04 * aosdict casts fore bolt before teeing off on the 16th hole 10:04 s/after myself/myself after that 10:08 yeha i watched their ttyrec 10:08 for a moment i thought i was going to witness a jarlearl moment 10:09 i'll email them and let them know its fixed so it wont happen again. but still ugh 10:09 remind me what that is again 10:09 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?3166 10:10 ah woof 10:19 so mini-me is having her bday party today. there are now eight 12-13 yr old kids in my house 10:19 s a v e m e 10:19 one more is enroute 10:19 no, two more 10:19 errrmahgerd 10:20 and its a sleepover 10:20 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:30702 (6:58:21) 10:20 best of luck lmao 10:21 Build a boulder fort. Oh wait, that doesn't work any more :) 10:22 i have potions of paralysis! 10:22 i may drink them 10:23 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:23 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 10:23 <@Loggers_VIII> damn that tree destruction thing sux, feel bad for leakychipmunk 10:36 yeah :( 10:36 i'm still testing the fix 10:37 i was seeing a couple other places where you vs mon should be defined 10:39 <@Loggers_VIII> to be honest though, playing abuseless and expecting nothing random to screw over your conduct is kind of a recipe for frustration :p 10:40 <@Loggers_VIII> i look at it as like an ethereal bonus conduct 10:40 I mean even by that measure it's still pretty horseshit 10:40 losing it to something like that 10:41 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah i don't mean that it's not unfortunate or anything 10:42 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:31825 (7:19:47) 10:42 <@Loggers_VIII> just that it's a conduct that's like 95% up to the player and 5% up to the game lol 10:42 testing looks good 10:43 <@Loggers_VIII> do druids get god anger from killing a tree? 10:46 hahaha oh this sleepover may well end you 10:47 i only had a 6 13-year-old-girl sleepover and it was apocalyptic 10:48 luckily at 14 she is part sleepovers. instead we have a 17 year old danish boy staying with us for 10 days after she gets back from her stay at a danish boarding school in march 10:48 part/past man losing all of what passed for my skills 10:49 this sounds a bit dumb to ask but tentacle attacks are physical right? 10:49 going over attack types in monattk.h for an article, haven't looked below the AT/DT flag stuff 10:50 ugh not physical, CONTACT 10:50 need to make sure they're contact attacks 11:01 if you tentacle someone with a pair of lenses, does it mean they're contact lenses? 11:02 @Loggers_VIII yup 11:03 gonna assume yes for safety 11:03 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Attack_type 11:06 with that, rest 11:06 later 11:07 EvilHack Commits: Fix: Druid taking blame for pet killing a tree. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/21eb7ddd83de32a838d5589b3924327d86066f45 11:11 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:11 Mystes is also Arch 11:12 but they came in here as leakychipmunk? 11:12 they've got a ton of different accounts 11:13 26 11:27 multiple accounts confuse me. i can barely remember the name of my one account 11:31 19 dilithium crystals, no magic resistance :-) 11:52 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 11:54 i emailed them about the fix 12:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dra Mal Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon him by Tymora, on T:61603 (22:22:41) 12:07 lucky! 12:07 wish id got that 12:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dra Mal Cha) had a cloak of invisibility entrusted to him by Tymora, on T:61812 (22:31:01) 12:12 oh come on, you get things that arent weapons? man you kill me mobileuser 12:12 we're gonna go see moana 2 in a lil bit 12:13 heh 12:13 i hope hei hei is in it 12:13 sang that SO many times with daughter 12:13 YANI: wielding Angelslayer protects against hellfire, similar to how demon forms are protected 12:14 https://imgs.search.brave.com/6g8PclPq7YisU6tfLqXEhiRMu65Spx4BIlVAGZvrCqE/rs:fit:860:0:0:0/g:ce/aHR0cHM6Ly9naWZk/Yi5jb20vaW1hZ2Vz/L2hpZ2gvbW9hbmEt/aGVpLWhlaS10aGUt/cm9vc3Rlci11ajMy/cWVqMjBiM2hsMmNq/LmdpZg.gif 12:15 angelslayer is already so good tho 12:15 maybe the priest cap should protect against hellfire :-) 12:15 interesting that you say that 12:15 both ideas have merit 12:15 I was feeling anti-Angelslayer sentiment lately 12:16 probably Loggers is to blame :-P 12:16 damn you loggers! 12:17 ugh i gotta finish up all these spellbook entries into the encyclopedia 12:17 so having done some druids, mobileuser, how do you feel about the bracers? i kinda think they need a tiny little buff, and im pushing for save-breaking vegesp 12:17 i've been holding off pushing new commits to the servers until its done 12:17 i bet even you think that idea is cool k2 12:17 VEGESP 12:17 because when the updated data.base file goes live, existing games will have screwed up entries for anything past *spellbook 12:18 I have done exactly 1 druid krm26 12:18 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:18 krm26 - detect monsters spell enters chat 12:19 that druid was very happy with the bracers 12:19 no this is better -- continually show all plant monsters within the standard radius 12:19 would be so cool 12:36 <@Loggers_VIII> change the invoke from taming to an effect that creates grass and revitalizes trees on every square in a 10x10 radius, and creates some trees too 🗣️‼️‼️ 12:36 <@Loggers_VIII> also I had the idea for hellfire protection on the mitre a long time ago and I think I was denied 12:39 prove it! 12:39 :P 12:42 invoking bracers makes adjacent monsters herbivores 12:47 movie time, bbl 13:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) had a dagger entrusted to him by Ishtar, on T:75264 (20:23:33) 13:05 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 13:07 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:3330 (0:21:54) 13:09 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3434 (0:23:23) 13:09 -!- Grassy has joined #evilhack 13:13 -!- Glasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:13 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Orc Fem Cha), 202 points, T:1329, killed by a gas spore's explosion 13:17 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 16 shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:4746 (0:31:24) 13:21 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Koeranen the elf zombie, and former Pawn, on T:1981 (0:07:44) 13:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) had a small shield entrusted to him by Ishtar, on T:76620 (20:45:15) 13:24 sigh....almost a garment. unfortunately not as good as a +0 mithril elven shield alas 13:25 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a baby long worm corpse, on T:5637 (0:38:31) 13:31 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6129 (0:44:33) 13:31 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:6156 (0:44:49) 13:32 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Orc Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "bob", on T:4543 (0:18:43) 13:36 -!- Glasshopper has joined #evilhack 13:39 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:40 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Orc Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:5700 (0:26:40) 13:41 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a lizard, on T:7113 (0:54:43) 13:43 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 24029 points, T:7916, killed by a mastodon 14:01 noooo! finally got a wizard npc, but they were wearing a slippery cloak 14:09 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:37755 (8:47:45) 14:16 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) had a bronze javelin entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:38953 (8:55:34) 14:21 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:39758 (8:59:42) 14:24 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:25 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2409 (0:15:06) 14:29 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Orc Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:11258 (1:15:51) 14:34 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed diagonalo's ghost, the former Woman-at-arms, on T:3067 (0:23:48) 14:40 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) had a bone axe entrusted to him by Ishtar, on T:83538 (22:01:48) 14:41 ok, that is 20 sacrifice gifts! 18 axes, daggers, knives, and stilletos; 1 small shield; 1 pair of high boots 14:41 love those odds 14:42 K2: I think the evidence shows that your attempts to reduce the incentive to altar farm have not worked well enough :) 14:43 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Orc Fem Cha) had Dirge gifted to her by the grace of Manannan Mac Lir, on T:13211 (1:29:36) 14:55 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 14:56 nah, krm26 is just waiting for MR to drop 14:56 which will be never 14:57 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14327 (1:43:52) 14:57 that wizard npc really sent me on an emotional roller coaster but failed me in the end 14:58 at this point im also kind of curious how long i can maintain a 90% weapon drop rate from these altars 14:58 (although i have acquired a scare monster scroll now mobileuser, so i can reverse genocide gray dragons when my spirit completely breaks) 15:01 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu), 899462 points, T:41111, killed by a yellow dragon 15:01 i'd do that right away if i thought it meant i could kill annam 15:05 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed dragonhide +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:459 (0:03:44) 15:05 sigh :-) 15:05 im only at turn 85k, i shouldnt get upset yet 15:09 this 50% chance at weapon, 50% chance at armor thing sure is bs 15:11 magic lamp! ok 15:12 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:41069 (9:33:55) 15:14 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1102 (0:12:25) 15:15 where is the wish 15:15 had to uncurse and bless it, gimme a sec man 15:15 hurry up :-P 15:15 starting to rub 15:15 no wish 15:15 wtf 15:16 yup, just like normal 15:16 unbelievable 15:16 check back in at 120k turns 15:16 dig a 3x3 room and seal it with a boulder 15:16 and die in it? 15:17 scare monster in the middle 15:17 you know, ive reverse genocided for gray dragons before and gotten no drops 15:17 i have a feeling that is what i'll get this time too 15:17 yeah that happens 15:17 that's why i havent been rarin to do it 15:18 seems like it might just be more efficient to go fight annam without mr 15:19 he'll only touch of death my 99.7% of the time 15:19 so i have almost more chance of surviving than i do of getting a non-weapon sacrifice gift 15:21 could just try hitting him with paralysis 15:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:1647 (0:20:35) 15:28 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:42754 (9:50:34) 15:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dra Mal Cha) had a copper scale mail entrusted to him by Tymora, on T:65085 (23:29:09) 15:34 more armor 15:36 you cant break me 15:36 *sob* 15:42 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Orc Fem Cha) had a shield of mobility entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:17591 (2:01:16) 15:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dra Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Tymora, on T:65874 (23:39:30) 15:44 half of dichotomy, nice 15:46 have i ever mentioned that i strongly dislike cavemen 15:47 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) had a spear entrusted to him by Ishtar, on T:87375 (23:08:30) 15:52 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:52337 (10:14:00) 15:57 heh 15:57 moana 2 was good 15:58 \o/ 15:58 a good sequel? inconceivable! 16:02 hah 16:05 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) became Ishtar's Envoy of Balance, on T:89178 (23:26:24) 16:05 sigh 16:05 ooooh 16:05 had to pray because of cursed weapons, oh well 16:05 aaaah 16:06 just makes it harder for me to get my 22nd sacrifice gift, which will be my 20th weapon at 50% weapon/50% armor chance 16:06 didja see i got a magic lamp so i could wish for mr, k2? 16:06 yes and it failed 16:06 yup, standard result 16:07 travesteigh 16:07 so, when you have a cursed alternate weapon, you can never use an alternate weapon again...surprised ive never encountered that problem before 16:07 i guess you could drop it 16:07 if you were a wimp 16:08 hah my god didnt even bother to uncurse my cursed gear, just my weapon. too busy figuring out whether to give me a stilleto or knife next 16:10 almost done with divination spells 16:10 travesteigh? is someone naming their kid that? 16:11 probably 16:11 "we 16:11 "we'll call you travis" 16:11 :) 16:12 ok, i'll stop altar camping when i hit 100 dilithium crystals 16:13 timeout from prayer gets longer, but not the timeout from gifts 16:13 i know that is what the code says, but the code is a lie 16:13 lol 16:14 like, we both know there is 100% chance that my next, 22nd gift, is my 20th weapon 16:14 if you are altar camping where is the dilithium coming from? 16:14 right? nobody will bet me money any different 16:15 all the bloody giants -- caveman 16:15 cavemen probably shouldn't be carrying around star trek rocks 16:15 i'm at 22 at turn 90k, so i'll be at 100 by turn 500k prolly 16:15 might get another magic lamp by then to get another pissed off djin 16:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dra Mal Cha) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Tymora, on T:66852 (1 day, 0:02:59) 16:21 or take a little gamble with reverse geno. in theory the odds of scales dropping are better than them not dropping 16:23 hahahahah 16:23 you mean like my 50% chance of getting armor? :-) 16:25 my sacrifice gift generation this game has less than a 0.001% probability 16:26 im assuming evilhack is not getting its numbers from random.org 16:26 you could at least try, it's something else to do 16:26 no 16:28 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Orc Fem Cha) polymorphed her first item, on T:22176 (2:46:56) 16:33 guess what spawned on my gray dragon killing room? yes, a giant, walking off with the boulder 16:36 EvilHack Commits: Add divination spellbook descriptions to the in-game encyclopedia. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/00e057e034ff24c47ecd3039e329cc24fad35fb4 16:39 -!- Arch has joined #evilhack 16:39 so, I do not have a registered name with any IRC 16:39 Arch: Message from K2 at 2025-02-16 11:19 EST: I did not change how pets follow you or traverse levels 16:39 so I just pick one randomly when I do come here 16:39 when I do Arch, or others,  the server whines at me repeatedly that the name is already registered 16:40 also, I have a lot of accounts mostly due to neurodivergence 16:41 there are so many roles and conducts that I want to do, my mind changes frequently 16:41 too late for your run, but k2 fixed that pet conduct problem you found 16:41 I would pick an unused one and stick to it 16:41 as I am playing something I see someone else doing something else I like, and it is: "hey, that looks fun. Park current character. Start another." 16:41 A) [ uncursed gray-scaled +0 crystal plate mail (being worn) 16:42 yeah i just did that, despite that asshole giant 16:42 :-) 16:42 forged some crystal plate to put it on 16:42 (nick, that is, roles and conducts, you do you) 16:42 4 dragons, 2 scale drops actually 16:42 1 in reserve 16:42 now get your belly laugh ready for when annam kills me anyway 16:42 I was just going to day that! 16:42 With the alignment abuse thing, with severely/gravely abused, I am looking at -5 for all god gifts now. will have to kill quest leader, and I am sure it affects other areas . . . ? 16:43 * say 16:43 maybe i should use trollbane on him instead of this +5 keolewa 16:43 that is a morningstar isnt it? with mace skill? 16:43 yes 16:44 hi Arch 16:44 was not-so much a conduct thing as it was trying to keep wildshape turns down, getting better god gifts and the Quest 16:44 hey 16:44 Hello Arch, Welcome to #evilhack 16:44 yeah sorry bout that 16:44 hmm, 1d3 for keolewa vs 1d6+1 for trollsbane...not gonna waste the time skilling it up 16:44 the fix isnt live yet but will be later today 16:44 good it is fixed 16:44 i take it you got my email 16:45 so odd that I had that titan pet in the home level of the quest for several turns, at least a 1,000, and it never cast fire?! 16:45 there are some exceptions where it wont cast fire/ice bolt 16:45 because I got t he titan fairly early with a poly trap, thought take the OOD, dangerous trek to the quest level for mistletoe 16:45 if its right next to its target, it wont use those spells *most* of the time 16:46 yeah, most 16:46 sometimes it just yolo's :) 16:46 they destroy their own armor with those spells sometimes 16:46 unless you are standing on ice without water walking, flight, or lev :-) 16:46 then it will cast fire 100% of the time 16:46 that was fixed 16:47 no, meant fire/acid damage 16:47 oh 16:47 casting spells right next to a monster 16:47 yeah that can happen 16:47 and I read irc log.... did not check email 16:47 players do it to themselves too sometimes, so it felt appropriate 16:47 also came across another bug with titan/that player 16:47 Arch the email account you used for your player accounts, is that a legit email account? 16:48 yes, it is... 16:48 i never got a bounce back 16:48 ok cool 16:48 I have like at least 20 Gmail accounts.... lol 16:48 heh 16:48 free harddrive space and other reasons 16:48 i gotcha 16:49 when you are in wildshape, when you #loot a pet, their armor says "(merged to your form)" 16:49 minor bug, for sure 16:49 oh weird 16:49 but seems to be a bug 16:49 you CAN still remove it 16:49 yeah that sounds like simply a feedback bug 16:50 will look into it 16:50 can see how it stop a player from trying to remove it 16:50 ^how it might stop 16:50 yup 16:50 added to the bug tracker so i dont forget 16:50 also, ran across one of the strangest things I ever encountered with NetHack --- ever 16:51 krm26 with no pants on? 16:51 :P 16:51 no, I play ASCII 16:52 did not know there was a graphic/tile of that! 16:52 ASCII - this is the way 16:52 was rather upset to lose that character to the alignment abuse thing, I just started typing a bunch of garbage 16:52 'ALL of my options were reset 16:52 yeah i saw. i played back the ttyrecs 16:52 EVERYTHING was invereted 16:52 inverted 16:52 There was no way to exit it 16:53 (i never have pants on btw) 16:53 \o/ 16:53 only good thing about being in florida 16:53 well it does get hot in FL 16:53 I kept hitting ESC, but all it did was select the inverse 16:53 now my setting are massively screwed 16:53 ugh 16:53 not even sure how to get it back to what it should be 16:54 it would just be for that game though 16:54 new game will read from your cfg 16:54 yeah, and there's the rub 16:54 Want to try to continue with this character 16:54 so so so so wanted to #uqit 16:54 #quit, even 16:54 :( 16:54 was also thinking of doing a massive bones file for someone 16:55 was even going to be nice and lock my Ttian in a room 16:55 ^titan 16:55 dont quit. if you wanna end the game, at least die in style so krm26 can find your bones and complain that you didnt leave any decent armor or MR 16:55 it is a full ascension kit nearly 16:56 i tried loading my setting from another account, some of them are back to OK, but some are seriously whacked 16:56 could maybe salvage the game if you wanted but yeah I get it 16:56 at least you didnt come across a bug that made the game unwinnable 16:57 Was going to 'O'ptions always a thing where you can select all with '.' ?? 16:57 that happened to loggers a couple times a few versions ago. still feel bad about that :( 16:57 seems like it really really should not be! 16:57 or, the very  least the should be a way to ESCAPE. 16:57 ^there should 16:58 how options behave would be just like vanilla nethack 3.6.7 - i dont mess with that stuff 16:58 maybe there are some improvements in 3.7 16:58 just can not thinmk of reason why one would ever want to select all like you do in the inventory 16:58 with no way of exiting 16:58 if you select all options and toggle them, isn't it simple to just do it again to revert it? 16:59 interesting 16:59 ha 16:59 by the way that is still a thing in 3.7 - feel free to suggest blocking it to the devteam 16:59 :) 16:59 sounds too simple, eh? 16:59 but, wait, I think I did do that 16:59 some are still goofy 17:00 Where do you want to travel to krm26, the suspense is killing me 17:01 what bug did Loggers encounter that made it unwinnable? 17:02 it was in the sanctuary 17:02 access to lucifer's section opened up, stairs up went away. you cant use the portal to purgatory until lucifer is killed 17:02 lucifer spawned with a cursed potion of gain level and drank it 17:03 didnt have any way to leave 17:03 cant tele 17:04 hah mobileuser, was suddenly called away 17:04 :-) 17:04 i have just time to die before dinner 17:04 man he's gonna f me up 17:05 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) killed Annam, on T:91971 (1 day, 0:27:03) 17:05 \o/ 17:06 if only i had remove curse 17:06 yeah he cursed all your shit 17:06 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:91973 (1 day, 0:27:40) 17:06 at least he left my bag alone 17:06 i actually have no access to remove curse, so sad 17:07 i guess the sceptre might hit for one or two more damage than keolewa against shock resistant monsters 17:08 if cross-aligned, yes 17:08 double damage 17:08 AMULET + REMOVE CURSE, thank you box 17:08 could the amulet be the elusive mr i no longer need 17:08 fingers crossed 17:09 ugh 9 matter spells 17:09 why do you collect all the worthless glass 17:09 5 default plus the 4 added to evilhack 17:09 and with the Arch character, it is hard to get over losing 4 pets. And how it happened, all with going into Medusa's level.  the fourth was lost with that being the only pet following me 17:09 i have 3 more spell schools to knock out 17:09 im gonna poly it into an exciting glass golem mobileuser 17:09 heh 17:09 matter, enchantment, escape 17:09 at least it's good role playing :-) 17:09 never heard of this in vanilla, ever, pets just disappearing. not saying it is not vanilla 17:10 but I can find nothing about it, anywhere 17:10 there's a lot of reasons why that can happen Arch 17:10 tele trap, died to a monster/trap, fell down a hole 17:10 *level tele trap 17:10 sure, I know all of those 17:10 there was none of that right next to the stairs 17:10 ever 17:11 was already up and down on that level several times 17:11 and was fully searched 17:11 went down the stairs with 5 pets surrounding me 17:11 next turn --- I had 2 pets 17:11 Went up to see if they were still upstairs 17:11 were there 5 ok spots for your pets to be on downstairs? 17:12 came back down lost 1 more pet next to me- -- just diappeared 17:12 as in right next to the stairs? 17:12 if i recall, if a spot doesnt fall under isok() or goodpos() the game will move them to an ok spot 17:13 i'd need to look at the code to verify that 17:13 yeah, supposed to 17:13 was Medusa level with all the islands. 17:13 i think they could have drown too 17:14 could any of your pets swim or fly? 17:14 the lost ones 17:14 but even for just one pet follwing me, -one-, pet to disappear  while going down is just odd 17:14 ents would not drown 17:14 2 lost were ents 17:14 hmm 17:14 i can try and recreate it 17:15 another was purple worm 17:15 and the other a dire wolverine 17:15 all fully levelled and most of their resists.... which really, really makes it sting 17:16 I was/am on my way going back to level 1 to see if they somehow did not vanish, but were somehow moved to level 1 or something 17:18 i seem to recall that happening before, maybe?, I think?    not sure 17:19 they wouldnt be moved to level 1 like that 17:19 ah.... a fool's hope 17:19 i started a test game with 4 pet ents, i've traveled down the stairs to medusa level about 20 times now, all my ents are with me every time 17:20 was the Third Version with 3 possible stairs locations 17:20 I could provide what the TTY was 17:20 there was no in game message 17:22 I appreciate your time with this. 17:22 evilhack is a full service variant 17:22 It would just suck for me, or someone else, to encounter this again. 17:22 just so so odd how they just vanished 17:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) completed his quest without incident, on T:92195 (1 day, 0:44:05) 17:23 was sooooo pumped for that charqacter 17:23 and for it to happen a second time, a few turns later, with only one pet follwing me 17:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dra Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Tymora, on T:68115 (1 day, 0:23:52) 17:24 ooh yeag 17:24 luckily I did not lose my barding of reflection, saddled and full leveled and all resistance woolly! 17:25 30 times now, still no issues. i've encountered every medusa level variant several times now 17:25 huh 17:25 We need Blue Molds that shock the hell out of you so my herbivore pets can get shock resistance.   :) 17:25 hehehe 17:26 they should do spotted jelly-type damage 17:27 oooh that @wizard i killed and was so disappointed to get a slippery cloak from -- it is an oilskin cloak of fire resistance mobileuser! 17:28 lol 17:28 would be perfect for a draugr 17:29 yeah i should post it to you 17:29 my deepest level is 24 (hint) 17:29 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Orc Fem Cha) had a bone orcish helm entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:28442 (3:48:21) 17:29 there should be an EvilHack Trading Post. 17:29 heh 17:30 there is, i just gotta go leave bones for mobileuser on 25 to use it 17:30 and mutliplayer EvilHack, so losers like me can ascend. 17:31 YANI: every time a player dies, if the player were to leave bones, one random object is removed from the left over inventory, and placed in a special shop called 'the trading post'. other players that find this shop will find these objects. could be something like 'a scroll of identify, left behind by krm26' 17:32 no, if the player DOESNT leave bones 17:32 and the shop inventory could persist 17:32 and the items will be HELLA expensive and cannot be stolenb 17:32 that's a cool idea, but it should be called the 'rag and bone shop' 17:32 kinda like the tnnt swap chest 17:33 how does it determine when an item should leave the pool? 17:33 random i suppose 17:33 would artifacts and such be kept as-is? wands of wishing? 17:34 i think this is the first worthy YANI i've had in awhile :) 17:34 I can see on a single player install, someone repeatedly dying with nice-ish items to make their future runs easier 17:34 aosdict perhaps - there probably should be *some* restrictions 17:34 like no quest artifacts 17:34 no WoW 17:34 no forged items 17:35 ^ that 17:35 yeah. HELLA expensive and can not be stolen 17:35 (no pets like Black Market) 17:35 how do you enforce "cannot be stolen" 17:35 145,750 zorkmid Werebane. 17:35 OR let the player try but the trading post shopkeep is uber powerful like izchak 17:35 izchack can expand his light shop to include those items 17:35 ... 17:35 oh that's a good idea 17:35 have a mini-quest each game you have to like Goblin Town 17:36 black market isn't really the way to go, that contorts so many game rules around itself to prevent any theft and even then you can still do it 17:36 have it be 50/50 if it spawns in your game 17:36 but what we could do like the black market, is make it its own level 17:36 (just meant no pets thing, with Black Market, not the Black Markety itself) 17:36 I'm envisioning a new shop type, which could appear randomly in the dungeon levels 17:36 but maybe a new shop type is better 17:37 aosdict yeah, but it can only appear once 17:37 and its not guaranteed, just like any other random shop 17:37 Should just have a Black Market, period. VERY expensive. and ANY item can spawn. 17:37 I feel it's better to design it as if it is going to be an ordinary minetown or dungeon shop, because then you have to put more reasonable restrictions on it 17:37 also VERY expensice shopkeeper services. 17:37 nah i purposely did not add the black market to evilhack. its played out 17:38 Arch: perhaps you just want to play slashem? 17:38 no, not the Black Market. 17:38 just a black market 17:38 regular shop[ 17:38 ah 17:38 could be a 3 x 3 in some games 17:38 i like where aosdict is going with this 17:38 EVERYTHING ios expensive with higher odds of better stuff 17:39 and i agree with arch on the price markup 17:39 but nothing too crazy 17:39 maybe something like 2-3x the cost 17:39 a lot of the potential problems come with having the items freely out there on the ground. avoid these by merging the idea with https://nethack-yanis.github.io/yanis/1635.html 17:40 guy doesn't have to be itinerant, but acts like a vending machine. you buy the items by chatting to him 17:40 oooh yeah 17:40 and the items don't technically exist until you buy them so you can kill him but won't actually get all the loot, this means he doesn't need to be crazy powerful 17:40 it could be a normal shop with stuff on the ground, but this particular shokeeper has the goods if you #chat them 17:41 which means it doesnt have to be a special shop 17:41 its the shopkeeper that's special 17:41 you dont know which shop they'll be at 17:41 if at all 17:41 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Orc Fem Cha) had a superior orcish long sword entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:32005 (4:00:21) 17:42 wooo elron 17:42 only problem with it being COMPLETELY a regular shopkeeper is there's nothing tipping a player off if they haven't spoiled themselves about the mechanic 17:42 true 17:42 there's a couple different ways we could do this 17:42 maybe the tip off is 'welcome to Bob's trading post!' 17:43 when you enter 17:43 "ask me about special deals" 17:43 ^ that too 17:43 have rogue/pickpocket monsters whisper rumors about the black market. 17:44 https://youtu.be/eP52omnnZmg?si=V_GMX8Hm8pG4bl81&t=20 17:44 or, whatever you are calling it 17:44 otoh, if the items drawn from bones are truly random and we expect most players aren't trying to stuff the pool, they could just have a normal shop with items sold at normal value or with a modest surcharge 17:45 i'm excited about this 17:45 I guess the main difference is finding a load of +5 armor and +7 weapons 17:45 this is neat 17:45 but like, a ring of conflict from someone's bones file isn't any better than one in a regular old general store 17:46 could have it lean towards asc kit gear? 17:46 the pool would naturally bias towards asc kit gear, I don't think you need to do anything artificial 17:46 if obj->spe > 4 or is_dragon_scaled(obj) (or whatever the function is) 17:46 that kind of thing 17:47 maybe an super duper surcharge for high spe objects, instead of just 10 zorkmids 17:47 yeah it'd have to be substantial but not impossible 17:47 more incentive to raid ludios 17:48 point being I had is black markets, in real life, have a vast of assortment of crap, and a lot of high end items. I would not mind paying 500z for a magic whistle. 17:48 (when they can be sometimes tough to come by) 17:49 yeah 17:49 it could have a black market feel in some aspects 17:49 have rogue level with all sorts of thieves 17:49  a run down town 17:49 accesswed by portal 17:49 you have to fight through them to get to the shop 17:50 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Orc Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Manannan Mac Lir, on T:33235 (4:09:14) 17:51 convicts and rogues would have some bonuses/benefits/ 17:51 aargh lost alignment conduct 17:51 how bad is moderate 17:51 Arch: why the focus on this being illegitimate? it's not illegitimate to raid bones piles 17:52 as far as I can tell the only reason for that extra stuff is "because it should be like a black market" 17:52 if it it just bones, then never mind 17:53 my philosophy is to fit new stuff into the game such that it minimizes cascading changes. adding a whole new branch for this new shop idea is one heck of a cascading change 17:53 seemed like a new approach, soemthing dfifferent 17:53 moderate: +1 to +2 enchantment, still ok 17:53 yeah moderate isnt bad per se 17:55 you could have used Goblin Town as a template..... was not re-writing the entire thing 17:56 my imagination runs wild 17:58 why would there even a be a shop selling bones piles stuff?   the rogues and pickpockets selling it 17:58 a racket 17:58 a shopkeeper is gonna "sell the goods" for cheap? 18:00 the idea was it would be bones items as well other, non-bones items with higher possibility of high end items 18:00 but why would it be cheap? 18:00 this is EvilHack. 18:01 and why would there be a random, no challenge whop where you can "pay to play" or "pay to win?" rather easily? 18:01 have a challenge to get to the shop. 18:01 probably better to let "high end items" be determined naturally by the pool of items players leave behind - you don't want to wade into the tricky business of artificially creating a wide range of "high end items" 18:01 we did some stuff adjacent to that in tnnt, it's annoying 18:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dra Mal Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Tymora, on T:69435 (1 day, 0:54:19) 18:10 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 18:10 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:15 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 18:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3891 (0:23:58) 18:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Arch (Dru Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 gray dragon scales", on T:84835 (1 day, 11:38:49) 18:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Arch (Dru Hum Fem Neu) genocided gray dragons, on T:84836 (1 day, 11:38:58) 18:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Arch (Dru Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed fixed marker", on T:84884 (1 day, 11:40:44) 18:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 6180 points, T:5585, killed by a chameleon imitating a yeti 18:46 hi 18:46 Hello Umbire, Welcome to #evilhack 18:49 <@Loggers_VIII> wazzup 18:49 <@Umbyre (he/him)> late but you can use A t o unequip secondary weapons iirc 18:57 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:29 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 19:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Arch (Dru Hum Fem Neu) had an alchemy smock entrusted to her by Silvanus, on T:87105 (1 day, 12:44:14) 19:54 [hdf-us] [evil] LiamTheDruid (Dru Hum Fem Neu), 7162 points, T:5969, killed by a drow raider 19:58 if a bearhugging pet is squeezing a monster you should not be able to step away from the monster.   "You cannot step. The woolly mammoth is engaged with the disenchanter!" 19:58 It only seems appropriately Evil. 19:59 that doesn't make sense to me, why would you be required to stand next to the pet if you're not engaged in the grapple? 19:59 whilst riding 19:59 (important part left out) 20:00 oh that is reasonable then 20:00 why would a pet release something just because you try to move it away? 20:00 maybe even just a -chance- it holds onto the monster 20:00 ideally you'd be prevented from moving away but able to command your pet to let go should you want to move away 20:01 but I'm not sure that system really exists outside dnethack 20:01 so, purposely stoning a pet ent with a cockatrice corpse -- is it abuse and/or alignment-damaging? 20:02 I'd imagine the same as stoning any other pet 20:02 pet commands, for me,  in general is a dream/wish for NetHack! 20:02 but if you mean "especially for druids" then idk 20:02 dNetHack has pet commands ...?! 20:04 it has at least primitive ones 20:04 meant to do conflict with the cockatrice, but forgot.  Not even sure if that would work.... not  sure why it wouldn't. 20:04 and a beast mastery skill which makes them better I think 20:04 the trebuchet role, I think? 20:05 no no no misspoke 20:05 wow. 20:05 troubadour 20:05 <@Loggers_VIII> it is not the same as stoning any other pet 20:05 <@Loggers_VIII> because they don’t die 20:06 Thanks, Logger. 20:06 so, it on not abuse, in any way? 20:06 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:37852 (5:21:40) 20:06 arrrr 20:07 Logger.    @Loggers_VII 20:07 I mean you're still hitting your pet for no good reason so it's at minimum pet abuse 20:07 It was said you can '@' Discord folks.... how come that did not work? 20:08 you still misspelled his name 20:08 ah... 20:08 VIII! 20:08 also you kinda have to wait for the user to respond in the affirmative regardless :B 20:08 VIII ! 20:08 and in any case you also have to lead with it from the IRC side 20:08 @Loggers_VIII like so 20:10 When '@' somone here, it highlights it in Libera.   it does not with Discord.  That is all I meant... 20:10 <@Loggers_VIII> umbire: yes, but stoning most other pets kills them which is a lot worse :p 20:10 indeed. 20:11 what happens when you stone other veggies? 20:11 Tamed a Blight for the fun of it. 20:11 <@Loggers_VIII> nothing special, ents are the only ones with a petrified variation 20:12 yep.... it is alignment abuse..... 20:12 not just plain pet abuse 20:12 "You dare to attack your woodland brethren!" 20:13 I even missed 20:14 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/932aba8eccf27253a4a7fd5f4f4c6a776bcd7397 20:14 odd that tree blights eat....  kind of like the living tree, in pop culture, that eat children? 20:15 if you look up the history of how blights came to be, the original blight had vampire blood infused 20:15 they like to eat 20:16 oh, I know that they cannot attack pets and extends beyond woodland creatures, but you can do that with a potions and not get alignment abuse 20:16 so check_catiff() - doesnt matter if you land a hit or not. just the act of attcking gets a ding 20:16 This is, helping the ent in a way, and was not sure if it was still abuse. 20:17 -!- Arch75 has joined #evilhack 20:17 -!- Arch has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:17 *check_caitiff() 20:19 interesting about tree blights. 20:19 and they can gain intrinsics they do not already have? 20:20 never thought to tame them. was thinking "You are the enemy." 20:21 K2, https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Hidden_Dungeon#Map 20:21 how's the map lookin' 20:23 looks good 20:25 alright, time to buckle down and do some real Evil work 20:25 start with drow, work towards druid 20:52 just happened again K2 20:52 went downstairs with 5 pets into Medusa level 20:53 now only have 2 20:53 still playing as mystes? 20:53 No, this is Arch. 20:53 which server 20:53 Mystes is parked until I decide what to do with that mess    :) 20:53 US 20:54 need me to save? 20:55 sure 20:56 ok i have a copy, you can resume if you like 20:56 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +3 dragonhide t-shirt of decay", on T:93972 (1 day, 1:16:25) 20:56 level 18 fountain wish! that is a luck turnaround 20:57 didnt wish for mr?? 20:58 Arch75 so the first thing i notice - on the medusa level, there are only two safe spots adjacent to the stairs 20:59 you are behind the times! reverse genocided gray dragons 20:59 your missing pets are not on the level above 20:59 i think they drowned 20:59 but ents cannot drown? 20:59 they are breathless 20:59 that is 4 ents lost to that 21:02 would there inventory be in water if that was the case, anyway? 21:02 none of it is present (just checked) 21:02 Oh right, they fixed that in 3.7 21:02 did you ever port that over or 21:02 all of them had sacks, rocks, and other things I had them carrying 21:03 yeah that would explain the rocks and other objects in the water around the stairs 21:03 'detect treasure' is your friend 21:03 yeah, like I said, none of their treasure is present 21:03 Umbire no the 3.7 fix isnt ported over. obviously :P 21:04 Arch75 it is present, its int he pools of water right around the stairs in medusa level 21:04 :B 21:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Arch (Dru Hum Fem Neu) murdered Dvarka, her faithful woolly mammoth, on T:89730 (1 day, 14:05:45) 21:04 Ah man.,.... 21:04 but yeah, surprised poofing a drowned monster's corpse/inventory(? I think it was just the corpse) was left in that long 21:04 noooo 21:04 not Dvarka! 21:05 took off white-scaled armor to cast detect treasure 21:05 uuuuugh 21:05 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:06 Why did I feel guilty twice? 21:06 dunno 21:06 Dvarka falls into the water!  You kill poor Dvarka! 21:06 You feel very guilty.  You hear the rumble of distant thunder... 21:06  You feel guilty.  You fall into the water! 21:06 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 21:07 maybe once for making it fall into a pool 21:07 then again for killing it 21:07 dammit there go my god gifts 21:07 Oh right, is the negative enchantment thing even like, partly reversible 21:07 wanted to freeze ALL of the water to dig to see if it IS there inventory 21:07 no its tied to alignment abuse 21:08 not even partially huh 21:08 you'd have to really mess up your alignment to get negative enchanted sac gifts 21:08 still -- -ents do not drown? 21:08 need to be on your best behavior then 21:08 well, it is seriously abused now 21:09 Arch75 it doesnt matter if they can breathe or not. the issue is there wasnt a good position for them to land at when going down the stairs 21:09 i'm searching for the 3.7 fix that Umbire alluded to 21:09 lemme help 21:10 ah.... was not sure that that was what Umbire was referring to. 21:10 interesting 21:10 and thanks. 21:12 but, like I said before, why would that happen when only 1 pet was following me? 21:12 it wasnt just one. i counted four 21:12 only two made it 21:13 simply because it was initially placed on a water tile, and there is the bug? 21:13 no, the first time this happened 21:13 went back up with a dire wolverine 21:13 went down with it and it disappeared 21:14 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 21:14 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Changing host] 21:14 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 21:16 <@Loggers_VIII> whether they breathe or not does matter cuz they wouldn’t drown in water, now? 21:16 no 21:16 drowning/breathing has nothing to do with this 21:16 why 21:17 oh woops swap 'now' with 'no' 21:17 I swear to piss there was a commit regarding not creating corpses when a monster drowned 21:17 Umbire yeah i saw that 21:17 that's not it 21:17 granted, but I was also trying to remember the actual commit besides 21:18 you said "I think they drowned" wrt arch's pets, is that no longer the assumption? I might have missed something 21:18 I know I saw it before but I can't find it via the words I remember being associated with it 21:18 i did say that, but i dont think that's relevant 21:19 so what happened to pets?? the game just delete them or what 21:19 i think so. there's an old 3.7 commit about migrating monsters not migrating 21:19 that is lame but also just a tiny bit funny 21:20 :/ 21:20 can't catch a break can you 21:20 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:95063 (1 day, 1:40:14) 21:21 i'm not seeing a specific fix in 3.7 Umbire 21:22 ok so 21:22 this is interesting 21:22 i'm still playing Arch75's save 21:23 I went back upstairs, made 6 tame wolves, they'll all adjacent to me 21:23 i went downstairs, they all came with 21:23 can you =give me back my save before Dvarka died?     after all, was only doing all the messing around for SCIENCE 21:23 :P 21:23 the game placed them onto safe spots as close as it could to my position 21:23 Arch75 nope 21:23 oh I know 21:24 would not have made that mistake otherwise 21:24 i knew that's what the game is supposed to do 21:24 find goodpos() 21:24 put pet there 21:24 so lets do this again but with ents 21:25 Arch75 were they regular ents, elder ents or petrified ents? 21:25 i ask because of their sizes 21:26 petrified and elder only 21:26 on both occassions 21:26 ok i did same test with 5 tame elder ents 21:26 they all came with 21:27 but purple worm and dire wolves disappeared too 21:27 as well as a basilisk 21:28 you initially had 2 elder ents, a petrified ent and a basilisk when you descended the stairs 21:28 (looking at ttyrec) 21:29 purple worm and dire were the first occurrence several days ago. 21:29 i just recreated your latest pet entourage 21:29 they all came downstairs with me 21:30 i dunno 21:30 i dont have an explanation 21:31 there's no errors, nothing new in the paniclog 21:31 thought we were supposed to drop boulders when wildshape out of boulder-carrying monsters?  OR, only when it is involuntary only? 21:31 they'll autodrop, one stack only 21:32 if there's multiple stacks, only the first stack drops 21:32 havent figured that one out 21:32 just wildshaped back to human, was an an ent with 2 boulders and became overloaded. 21:32 only had 1 stack 21:32 ok ents can carry boulders, so they wont drop them 21:32 its one way 21:33 meaning if you're a druid giant carrying boulders, you wildshape into something that cant carry boulder, they'll autodrop 21:33 its not setup the other way around 21:33 ah... so not for humans that go the other way., 21:33 yeah. 21:34 which is basically user error going the way I just did 21:37 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.5.1] 21:38 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest9992 21:38 -!- Guest9992 has quit [Killed (iridium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 21:38 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 21:43 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest7834 21:43 -!- Guest7834 has quit [Killed (calcium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 21:43 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 21:44 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest8611 21:44 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 21:45 umbire strugglin to stay afloat :P 21:48 -!- Guest8611 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:51 all I'll say is don't be surprised if you see an AT&T exec disappear in the next week or so 21:51 trying to hang out with friends on a stream and this piece of shit wi-fi can't hold for more than 5 minutes 21:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] Magus (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:7, killed by a dire wolverine 21:55 really fucking infuriating honestly 21:57 hard wired is the way to go 21:57 if feasible 21:58 in all the houses ive owned, the first thing ive done is run ethernet 21:59 unfortunately it is exactly not in this case 21:59 would have to run a wire all the way through my mom's room 22:00 and we're moving in two months anyway so 22:02 big move? or staying local 22:05 EvilHack Commits: Add matter spellbook descriptions to the in-game encyclopedia. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/4f071a6d727e5cca2c5e828ce673b64deece349c 22:08 it's not too far thankfully 22:08 but there is a Lot of Shit to be moved 22:08 for which I blame my mom's bougie ass 22:08 heh 22:08 two more spell schools to go 22:08 i'm noticing there's a TON of spells that start with the letter c 22:20 "You feel that Ishtar is not entirely paying attention." never noticed that before 22:20 she didnt bless my potions that tart 22:20 that mechanic is great for fucking you over when you least expect it 22:21 as opposed to the rest of caveman, which advertizes its fucking of you very well 22:22 oh that is a caveman thing 22:22 well yay 22:23 oh yeah, re: Annam nerf 22:23 wut annam nerf? 22:23 is he going to keep fire/cold/shock since there's giants of those elements? 22:23 man i already killed him 22:24 I second 'wut annam nerf' 22:24 K2 mentioned when he swapped Annam for Tiamat all the resistances stayed 22:24 which made it sound like that wasn't on purpose 22:24 so I got the impression it was somewhere On The Docket 22:24 grandfathered in :-) 22:24 I think he did that on purpose cuz disintegration didn't stay 22:25 or, rather most of the resistances I should say 22:25 I don't think he resists acid either? 22:25 @e?annam 22:25 Annam (H) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 23 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison acid petrification | Confer: fire cold sleep shock poison | MR: 30 | Gen: unique | AC: 0 | Atk: 4d8 claw amulet steal, 4d8 claw knockback, 0d0 cast spell | Align: -14 | carnivore, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravis 22:25 no he does 22:25 nvm 22:26 shame, harbinger would be a ton more effective against him 22:27 though being made from giantslayer it's at least An Option 22:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] Magus (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2668 (0:40:13) 22:39 i'd have to look but i have a feeling annam's resistances were on purpose 22:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] Magus (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:4145 (0:50:15) 22:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] Magus (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4723 (0:56:56) 22:53 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:57 caveman can never do acid damage anyway 22:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 259 points, T:538, killed by a giant mimic 23:00 -!- NetSysFire has quit [Quit: generic quit message] 23:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] Magus (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 3 steel arrows on an altar, on T:5651 (1:07:23) 23:01 -!- NetSysFire has joined #evilhack 23:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] Magus (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3748 points, T:5731, killed by a gnoll, while praying 23:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1224 points, T:2127, killed by a gnome lord, while fainted from lack of food 23:07 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) had a mithril dwarvish spear entrusted to him by Ishtar, on T:99690 (1 day, 3:27:45) 23:16 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] Magus (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 180 points, T:677, killed by a little dart 23:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2433 (0:14:13) 23:28 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Hidden_Dungeon 23:28 old and new versions of the map fully laid out 23:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2746 points, T:3465, killed by a giant mosquito 23:44 EvilHack Commits: Add enchantment spellbook descriptions to the in-game encyclopedia. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/b6786f59dd2f1bb4b8aba53a3756fb008b8ecac9 23:46 caveman can never do acid damage anyway <--- yes they certainly can