00:01 [hdf-us] [evil] vor (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:972 (0:12:23) 00:23 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:21418 (3:20:44) 00:43 [hdf-us] [evil] vor (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 7991 points, T:4329, escaped 00:50 [hdf-au] [evil] Mystes (Dru Hum Mal Neu), 6527 points, T:12149, killed by a nightmare 01:28 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:28 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 01:33 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:28783 (4:30:28) 01:36 [hdf-au] [evil] Mystes (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1113 points, T:811, killed by a gnome lady 01:36 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:39 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 01:51 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:05 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:05 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 03:20 [hdf-us] [evil] vor (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 416 points, T:1719, killed by a giant bat 03:41 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:47 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:51 [hdf-us] [evil] vor (Kni Hum Mal Law), 910 points, T:1045, killed by the Goblin King 03:59 -!- dingotron has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:25 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:25 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 04:52 [hdf-au] [evil] Mystes (Dru Hum Fem Neu), 135 points, T:1464, killed by a hobgoblin 05:38 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 05:38 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 06:35 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:35 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 07:01 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:29 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:959 (0:37:41) 07:34 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 504 points, T:1241, killed by a large spider 07:46 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 07:49 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 996 points, T:1900, killed by a kitten 08:53 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 08:58 "You are now wearing an oilskin hooded cloak." 08:58 hah 09:09 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:55677 (15:17:26) 09:10 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:55714 (15:18:23) 09:15 hi 09:15 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 09:15 another snow day \o/ school is out 09:15 >:| 09:15 wait you don't get school out for presidents day? 09:15 no 09:16 no february vacation week? 09:16 kids get winter break starting next week 09:16 -!- malor has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 09:16 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 09:16 we got over a foot of snow by the time the snow stopped 09:16 nearly all the snow was washed away here in torrential rain and 50 degree temps, AND the forecast is now the storm on thursday will miss us entirely 09:17 :( 09:17 its 8° F right now heh 09:17 i think we're getting even more snow thursday 09:18 yeah it cooled right back off and is super windy. I may have to go bike for groceries later and that will be miserable 09:18 it was miserable just walking to the bagel store this morning 09:18 bleh 09:18 it's sunny, but it's freezing and gale force winds 09:19 calm here but strong winds woke me up around 3am this morning 09:19 do you live close enough to montreal for any bagel places near you to have montreal style bagels? 09:19 probably 09:20 i dont frequent bagel places, jenn does though 09:20 she'd know 09:21 aosdict I came up with a solution of sorts for covetous monster movement/behavior 09:21 loosely based on your covetous_nonwarping() commit 09:22 oh? 09:22 here's what I have so far - https://termbin.com/ywxk 09:22 whether they warp around or move normally is dependent on how close they are to the player 09:23 move mormally 09:23 hah 09:23 i see it 09:23 'you're so mormal' 09:23 fixed it 09:24 so because of this, it allows letting covetous monsters break boulders 09:26 testing has gone well so far 09:26 havent even committed this yet, wanted some eyes on the code and discussion first 09:26 because a change like this would be significant 09:26 are you killing boulder forts 09:26 not entirely no 09:28 but if this goes live, you're gonna want to stock up on scrolls of earth 09:28 and paralysis potions (if you dont already) 09:28 hah I never use them because you can miss 09:28 i use them *all the time* 09:29 even in vanilla 09:29 different players, different strats 09:29 tru... tru 09:29 in vanilla you'd miss less often I expect 09:30 evilhack has that extra unskilled miss chance 09:30 tru... tru 09:30 I'm on a roll :-P 09:31 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikkg4NobV_w 09:31 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 15052 points, T:7982, poisoned by a gnome zombie 09:35 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:39 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3178 (0:21:12) 09:40 i may change that rn2(20) to rn2(10) 09:41 I initially didn't have a chance to switch back to regular covetous movement at all, but that didnt feel right 09:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1389 (0:09:39) 10:01 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha), 6005 points, T:4949, killed by a magic missile 10:03 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by Venus, on T:4172 (0:36:42) 10:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4824 (0:43:30) 10:31 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:31 K2 chatting to a peaceful zombie gives no message and no time passes 10:33 very likely something killed it earlier 10:40 I know that krm26 reported this already, but I wasn't sure if this was believed to be fixed 10:41 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 10:52 unplayable 10:53 rm -rf /* 11:01 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "uncursed fixed magic marker", on T:58411 (17:08:44) 11:02 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) genocided beholders, on T:58413 (17:09:32) 11:03 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 11:21 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:60141 (17:28:53) 11:28 -!- Umbire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:28 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 11:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) had an oilskin cloak entrusted to her by Venus, on T:10444 (1:55:55) 11:31 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:60766 (17:39:13) 11:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Venus, on T:11093 (2:05:19) 11:42 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:61337 (17:49:54) 11:55 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:55 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 12:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) had a runed spear entrusted to her by Venus, on T:12496 (2:30:16) 12:16 damn. somehow i remembered that there was ONE level of the mines that I didn't finish exploring, so I went back > first magic lamp 12:22 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:26 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Gia Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 dragonbane", on T:20403 (6:15:22) 12:35 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 12:40 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Kas, on T:62799 (18:14:48) 12:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 1945 points, T:2661, killed by a fire ant 13:24 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:24 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had a wooden two-handed sword entrusted to her by Crom, on T:64310 (18:59:15) 13:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Marzhikh (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 781 points, T:1097, killed by a pseudodragon called Jones, while being terrified of a ghost 13:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Marzhikh (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 550 points, T:928, killed by a scroll of earth 13:33 ab mobileuser 13:39 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vecna, on T:64841 (19:14:11) 13:41 ab Umbire 13:42 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:96993 (2 days, 12:24:46) 13:42 -!- dingotron2 has joined #evilhack 13:43 Welp for the first time in a while, have the amulet in hand. What could possibly go wrong? 13:48 murphy's law baby 13:51 good luck dingotron2! 13:59 go dingotron2 14:08 whelp it was no good 14:08 lucifer hits... really hard. and I didn't have enough stuff to throw at him after hammer of gods didn't come back 14:10 he kept regen faster than I could dps him down 14:10 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha), 2711169 points, T:97135, killed by Lucifer (with the Amulet) 14:11 I tiptoed out of my boulder fort to try and grab back the hammer and... whack whack two turns he killed me 14:12 :( 14:12 dingotron2 there is absolutely no shame in dying to lucifer 14:13 he's a tough bastard. i've died to him before as well 14:13 i am always too nervous to throw the hotdog without having backups, like 2 or 3 +7 silver aklyses 14:13 and convict isnt exactly an easy role either 14:13 !lastgame 14:14 krm26: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dingotron/evilhack/dumplog/1737269675.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1738841789.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Mystes/evilhack/dumplog/1739785193.evil.html 14:14 good attempt tho dingotron2! 14:14 ^ this 14:14 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah, that 1% chance is fucked 14:14 <@Loggers_VIII> I kinda think the 1% chance should disappear at expert skill 14:14 thx 14:14 <@Loggers_VIII> good run there dingotron 14:14 you mighta been overloaded? had trouble picking up the hammer 14:15 I had well-enchanted silver alkys as backup but it wasn't enough dps 14:16 if you have an infinite supply of +7 silver aklyses and 25 strength he should eventually die 14:16 he does have a buttload of health tho 14:16 yup 14:16 <@Loggers_VIII> my convict strat is usually sword of annihilation/stormbringer twoweaponing 14:16 and I burned wishes on things like 'ring of free action' (that RNG refused to provide right up until the castle) instead of extra silver throwables 14:16 all, did you see what I was discussing with aosdict and mobileuser earlier today? 14:16 <@Loggers_VIII> obviously stormy is bad for Lucifer but SoA is hella nice 14:17 https://termbin.com/ywxk 14:17 i do agree that the chance of harbinger/hotdog/mjollnir not returning is so brutal as to render them unthrowable in any difficult situation 14:17 ya. mistakes were made. I draw-bridged vecna so no drop there. 14:17 draw bridge destroys vecna's item? shouldnt it just be in lava? 14:17 yeah it should 14:17 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah it’s one of those things where it’s fun to do but if you’re playing to win it’s probably not recommendable 14:18 drawbridge death isnt like disintegration 14:18 yeah, if you do that, force bolt the drawbridge, freeze everything around it, and dig down 14:18 wand may be missing of course 14:18 db death is so fun though 14:18 krm26 he was playing 0.8.4 still 14:18 ah! 14:19 <@Loggers_VIII> I’m confused, the item *is* destroyed by drawbridge kill or no? 14:19 <@Loggers_VIII> last time I did that I think it was 14:19 it shouldnt be 14:19 <@Loggers_VIII> ah 14:19 i need to check tho 14:19 <@Loggers_VIII> drawbridge death is epic 14:19 <@Loggers_VIII> or kill, rather 14:19 switching gears - you know how in the past you've all talked about how you dont like it when covetous monsters warp around everywhere? 14:20 at the end, I could have done several things dif and probably survived v lucifer. I stepped out without AoLS on, and not weilding angel slayer that would have saved me half spell damage. and somehow I had become vulnerable to fire that I couldn't shake off. could have also used an extra scroll of earth to lay more boulders too and phase trough 14:20 them. 14:20 behold - https://termbin.com/ywxk 14:20 dingotron2 yeah you'll definitely learn from this experience 14:20 next time you'll get 'em 14:21 good, nice to see they will "move mormally" for a change :-) 14:21 i fixed that misspell :P 14:21 awww 14:21 <@Loggers_VIII> half spell is very important for Lucifer because the thing about him is that his open wounds spell deals approximately seven billion damage 14:21 MORMAL 14:21 bring back mormal movement 14:21 dammit if vecna's bits were still back in the lava... sigh 14:22 i agree dingotron2, you coulda had him -- i do the same thing tho, adrenaline starts pumping and i rush even tho the game has no time ticking away 14:22 the hand/eye would be fine 14:22 you guys need to understand the implications of this change if it goes live 14:23 it is significant 14:23 I had all the ingredients to build armor of retribution too. But for vecna's drop and except that all the forges got used up. and no forge for me in yendor branch. 14:23 krm26 yep 14:23 seems like people just are not interested in discussing covetous movement today K2 14:23 i guess not 14:23 ship it! 14:23 @+rld that is what I discovered! 14:24 dingotron2, rld is the discord to irc bridge bot 14:24 that's the bridge bot, you can just tag the username displayed 14:24 @Loggers_VIII 14:24 oh got it 14:24 also I've been meaning to learn and detail covetous movement at some later point 14:24 Umbire good luck 14:24 K2: doesn't it mean that they will tend to warp away to heal every so often, then warp back to you, and then be mostly "stuck" next to you? 14:24 be forewarned, it's different in sporkhack/evilhack vs vanilla 14:24 so you can just hit hit hit until they go down 14:25 probably not today but I do recall pets (if not non-hostile monsters) can also just walk normally as well as warp 14:25 dunno if hackem kept evilhack covetous movement or not 14:25 I think it kept it to a degree? 14:25 would have to ask malor 14:25 -!- elron has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:25 I am pretty sure it did 14:25 aosdict as the code currently stands, there's a 95% chance the normal (MORMAL hahah) covetous behavior kicks in 14:26 <@Loggers_VIII> as far as I understand it, covetous change - when they get near you they’ll move like a normal monster almost all the time? 14:26 yes 14:26 <@Loggers_VIII> kinda sick 14:26 so there's a 5% chance the covetous behavior kicks in 14:26 yes 14:26 not 95% 14:27 when they are close 14:27 yes 14:27 5% 14:27 this bit right here in wizard.c 14:27 yeah I think (and this is from a perspective of not really knowing how threatening evilhack covetous monsters are since I've never played through it) it generally makes them much easier 14:27 in tactics() 14:27 + /* once a covetous monster gets close enough, they will start 14:27 + to move mormally 95% of the time */ 14:27 + if (rn2(20) && distu(mtmp->mx, mtmp->my) <= 8) 14:27 + return m_move(mtmp, 0); 14:28 this is why I've been making covetous nonwarpers in xnh one by one, after giving them other buffs 14:28 <=8 is two tile spaces away from player 14:28 because to interfere with warping for all of them, would make a lot of them go down easily 14:28 yeah aosdict i saw what you did in xnh 14:28 <@Loggers_VIII> maybe it will make orcus possible without a damn boulder fort if you’re careful 14:28 <@Loggers_VIII> (or death res) 14:29 in this same code block, i made it so demon bosses can break boulders 14:29 as well as quest nemesis 14:29 so maybe it makes it easier, maybe it doesnt :) 14:29 that only nerfs boulder forting 14:29 wait what? you are taking away boulder forts? 14:29 no 14:29 you can still boulder fort 14:30 <@Loggers_VIII> aosdict: boulder forting is how a lot of people deal with the nasty guys 14:30 just that now some more monsters are capabile of breaking through them 14:30 or possibly now 14:30 this isnt live 14:30 but I only boulder fort against the really nasty guys. and now they can break boulders? 14:30 if a guy is otherwise not strong enough to stand there going toe to toe with you for 5 rounds without warping to heal, they would presumably get much easier 14:30 not every turn but yeah they'd be capable of doing so if this goes live 14:30 <@Loggers_VIII> I think they break and then don’t immediately move onto the spot so you could keep a lot of earth scrolls mag e lol 14:31 <@Loggers_VIII> *earth scrolls in inv 14:31 yup 14:31 <@Loggers_VIII> how tf did that typo like that 14:31 mage 14:31 <@Loggers_VIII> my phone has strange intentions 14:31 potentially if you are fast enough in comparison you can kite covetous monsters now 14:31 this seems really hard for squishier claases. and v orcus. or lucifer 14:31 -!- dingotron2 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:31 -!- dingotron2 has joined #evilhack 14:32 if you wanna f orcus up toe to toe play a draugr 14:32 <@Loggers_VIII> the only guy I boulder fort against is orcus, so I’ll just collect a lot of earth scrolls probably and dump them all into that fight 14:32 so they wont warp away to heal all the time, but they'll be right there next to you because they can break thru your boulder fort. so up to you if you think that makes things easier or more difficult 14:32 depends how prepared you are 14:33 I guess if boulder forts are the vastly dominant strategy and everyone is using them for every boss 14:33 common strat is to place a boulder on the upsatirs anyways so we'll see 14:33 yeah the boulder-breakthrough is particularly bad for grazzt :-P 14:33 <@Loggers_VIII> cancel cancel cancel! 14:33 you cant trick me into blowing up my hesperides that easily 14:33 none of this is live yet 14:33 i havent even committed it 14:33 still playing with it 14:33 nethack has the original cancel culture 14:34 prob see something late tonight 14:34 just be aware the changes you've all been asking for is coming :P 14:34 <@Loggers_VIII> my first cancel wand I throw into a pool and come back for if I get grazzzzzt 14:35 I'd be okay if there were a diversity of viable strategies you could try against the very-unwise-to-melee bosses. but those options would have to exist... (or nerf Orcus' rod etc.) 14:35 dingotron2 they do 14:35 i think having the bosses be able to deal with boulders is great 14:35 they do exist 14:35 ask other players here how they've dealt with orcus for example 14:35 or grazzt 14:36 but i do think the boulder breaking should be on its own timer, and not let them repeat it instantly 14:36 that would be helpful 14:36 krm26 the only monsters that can break boulders every turn are the riders 14:36 just that the current timer used is also used for monsters casting spells 14:36 maybe paralysis potions could be a little more reliable 14:36 dingotron2 they are actually 14:37 in 0.8.4 even 14:37 yeah, i havent looked at mspec_used, but the boss demons do seem to be able to cast every couple of rounds 14:37 the problem with paralysis potions is the often bad TH you have with them 14:37 if you look at the code i posted, for uniques it adds 2-5 rounds to the mspec_used timer 14:38 <@Loggers_VIII> how tf do people fight orcus without death res or boulder fort 14:38 sorry 2-4 14:38 should be 2-5 14:38 i am glad about limiting boulder cheese, but man it is gonna make some combos really choke on vecna/orcus/luficer 14:38 or if there was a way to get a warning of paralysis wearing of. The variance of how many turns you get is what I struggle with. 14:38 dingotron2 just assume the worst, hope for the best 14:39 https://xkcd.com/795/ 14:39 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/32af2161a6c6683a2fe4e4f193812f987a17a962 <-- been in evilhack since 0.8.3 14:39 <@Loggers_VIII> I have fought orcus in melee without death res like 4 times and every time I just get my back blown out and end up losing a ton of max HP even if he only gets a turn or two 14:39 <@Loggers_VIII> I don’t think most people wanna do that 14:40 <@Loggers_VIII> it is possible though, paralysis is your friend :D 14:40 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:40 ok i gotta focus on prep for tonight. shutting down irc for awhile. back soon :P 14:40 krm26 ya the TH is brutal if you throw them, you might only get 1-2 turns, which is barely enough time to switch back to primary weapon if wielding them, let alone to DPS down a beefy boss. And the effedts don't stack right? 14:41 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 14:41 c u K2 14:41 <@Loggers_VIII> the TH gets bad PR 14:41 <@Loggers_VIII> it’s dex-1/25 chance to hit 14:41 <@Loggers_VIII> so if you have a lot of dex it can be a higher chance than melee 14:41 K2 I did not know about that 8.3 change thx 14:42 oh i never throw a potion of paralysis, who has that many to waste? always melee swing 14:42 <@Loggers_VIII> (TH for throws, I mean) 14:43 and i clearly remember as a priest whiffing on vecna like 5 times in a row 14:43 -!- dingotron2 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:43 <@Loggers_VIII> maybe evil makes it AC-based again? I’d be surprised 14:45 yeah wielding a potion you have your normal "hitting with an improvised object" th, which is garbage, against the opponent's ac, which can be significant 14:45 <@Loggers_VIII> ohhh I thought you meant you missed 5 throws that makes a lot more sense 14:45 <@Loggers_VIII> that would be such an insane waste lol 14:47 of course with lucifer, you can miss, miss, oops potion destroyed by lucifer, get potion out of bag, wield, miss, ooops potion destroyed... 14:48 <@Loggers_VIII> optimal strat is probably wielding dichotomy and throwing potions with 25 dex 14:48 yeah, the next priest i run will get right on that :-P 14:48 anyone who wields dichotomy doesnt need much of a strat 14:48 <@Loggers_VIII> oh, YANI: the mitre protects your items from fire 14:49 it is the roles that are vaguely nibbling away at lucifers hp which are gonna really be boned 14:49 <@Loggers_VIII> it gives fire resistance but that’s like worthless by the time you get it probably 14:49 cold res would be more useful with all the new ice traps 14:50 or if the mitre's fire res trumped fire vulnerability 14:50 i do wish you could make potions shatterproof/fixed with confused enchant weapon 14:51 even if the stack size was limited... with scrolls, too 14:53 <@Loggers_VIII> the mitre’s fire res does trump vulnerability, no? I thought extrinsic sources ignored that 14:54 does it? what do i know 14:54 <@Loggers_VIII> I might be wrong 15:03 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:06 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 15:10 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 15:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Wiz Gno Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:2525 (0:17:05) 15:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Wiz Gno Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2920 (0:19:51) 15:18 YANI: make it much much less likely for thrown potions to miss monsters, so that throwing them is actually viable 15:19 isn't it already dexterity based without factoring AC 15:20 I think the problem is they are treated the same as any other projectile that can't be enchanted. I propose to give specifically potions a boost in probability in that logic 15:20 like no one cares if you miss a shot with a flint stone from a sling, but a wasted potion is a bummer 15:20 not entirely unfair at a glance 15:20 but hmmm 15:21 "the changes you've all been asking for" 15:21 ahem 15:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Wiz Gno Mal Cha), 2679 points, T:3946, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 15:29 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:65406 (19:39:43) 15:29 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:65407 (19:39:49) 15:33 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fixed +2 Frost Brand", on T:65415 (19:43:46) 15:39 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:65663 (19:49:46) 15:43 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:43 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 15:44 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had a ring mail entrusted to her by Crom, on T:66257 (19:54:22) 15:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dra Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:8002 (2:15:59) 15:52 ah now I remember 15:53 I wanted to ask K2 about the blacksmith hammer and removing the ball & chain 15:54 because I can easily imagine an oversight there 15:57 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) genocided alhoons, on T:67036 (20:08:14) 16:01 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:67187 (20:11:31) 16:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a dog, on T:16689 (3:36:03) 16:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 47960 points, T:16811, suffocated by a gelatinous cube, while frozen by a monster 16:09 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Mephistopheles, on T:67658 (20:20:00) 16:21 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:68053 (20:31:34) 16:24 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Val Dwa Fem Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2808 (0:16:03) 16:24 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1724 points, T:2820, killed by a barbed devil of Loki 16:27 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha), 195 points, T:685, killed by touching Dramborleg 16:44 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:69453 (20:56:20) 16:46 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:69453 (20:56:21) 17:07 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Dx34's ghost, the former Bachelor, on T:4832 (3:21:41) 17:08 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4574 (0:33:43) 17:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dra Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:11732 (3:33:37) 17:24 weaponless lost :-P 17:24 no mention of luck blade either 17:24 wew 17:26 -!- Grasshopper has joined #evilhack 17:27 no early altar :-( 17:28 well, let's try the hammer thing 17:29 K2 "You'll need a hammer to be able to break the chain." but I'm wielding the blacksmith hammer 17:31 (and of course you'll agree a blacksmith hammer should be at least as good as an ordinary hammer for this purpose) 17:31 ok, SCIENCE done 17:36 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:50 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:53 -!- Grassy has joined #evilhack 17:57 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:07 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (platinum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 18:07 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 18:12 [hdf-us] [evil] Dx34 (Kni Hum Mal Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:1344 (0:09:13) 18:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Dx34 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1315 points, T:2295, killed by the Goblin King 18:19 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 18:19 [hdf-us] [evil] LiamTheDruid (Dru Gia Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:2756 (0:24:17) 18:33 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of gauntlets of power entrusted to her by Crom, on T:70835 (21:29:18) 18:55 [hdf-us] [evil] LiamTheDruid (Dru Gia Fem Neu), 6243 points, T:4274, killed by a plains centaur 19:00 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1686 (0:15:22) 19:06 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Lord Surtur, on T:27993 (8:29:47) 19:06 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:27997 (8:29:54) 19:10 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:28220 (8:33:39) 19:11 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible Marzhikh's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:3087 (0:26:15) 19:11 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible Mystes' ghost, the former Novice, on T:3098 (0:26:28) 19:21 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed Yeshua's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:3148 (0:36:12) 19:35 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 5274 points, T:5408, killed by a soldier ant 19:37 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3032 points, T:346, escaped 19:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Dx34 (Mon Trt Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:7517 (1:20:45) 19:47 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1664 (0:09:15) 19:52 [hdf-us] [evil] Dx34 (Mon Trt Mal Neu), 23686 points, T:7729, poisoned by a locust 19:58 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 5265 points, T:2959, killed by a soldier ant 20:09 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:11 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 20:41 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 20:48 !tell mobileuser I saw your talk concerning b&c and the blacksmith hammer. I gotchu boo :P 20:48 mobileuser shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, K2. 20:52 I've been using the ancient pseudodragon tier 2 wildshape exclusively. Is there another wildshape I should consider? 20:53 the list of all of them is here - https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Druid 20:53 it will depend on what you need to do 20:53 kill bad guys 20:53 need high damage output?saber-toothed tiger, dire wolverine 20:53 I liked the pseudodragon because I could fly 20:53 that and be fast? giant centipede (cant cast spells though) 20:53 mastodon is a tank 20:54 so on and so forth 20:55 looking forward to giant anaconda so I can swallow everything 20:57 :) 20:57 they're a bit slow though so just make sure you're sped up as much as you can be 20:58 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Demogorgon, on T:76662 (22:45:49) 21:11 <@Loggers_VIII> bouquet: pseudodragon is by far the best tier 2 unless you don’t have a unihorn, in which case gray unicorn 21:12 <@Loggers_VIII> tier 3 is saber-toothed tiger 21:12 i've been enjoying stag as tier 1 21:12 also popped into giant beetle form once (tank, poison res) 21:13 <@Loggers_VIII> I like giant hawk because I use my starting spells a lot 21:13 oh yeah 21:13 <@Loggers_VIII> I think the optimal Druid would play without wildshape until they came across potential poison instadeath monsters, when they would turn into giant beetle 21:13 K2, what flag/pointer/whsat-have-you denotes woodland creatures 21:13 <@Loggers_VIII> but I don’t streak so I won’t worry about that 21:14 Umbire look in include/mondata.h 21:14 right, will do 21:14 there's a define for woodland creatures and one for woodland beings 21:14 the difference being the latter are intelligent, yes? 21:14 yeah 21:14 or is there more to it/something else 21:15 woodland beings are things like nymphs, centaurs, etc 21:15 I asked out of reflex but also because I'm pondering how to cover woodland creature stuff 21:15 give it its own article, subsection in the future Druid article, or Something Else™ 21:17 <@Loggers_VIII> own article like for some of the dnh stuff probably would be fine 21:18 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.5.1] 21:19 <@Loggers_VIII> “druids can chat with woodland creatures and beings to potentially pacify or tame them, based off the player’s [[luck]] stat. a full list of these monsters can be viewed [[whatever tf the page name is|here]]” you get the idea 21:19 not beings 21:19 just creatures 21:19 <@Loggers_VIII> oh, I thought ents were beings 21:19 <@Loggers_VIII> it’s even easier then 21:20