00:00 @e?archon 00:00 Archon (A) | Lvl: 19 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 16 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 80 | Gen: dungeons | AC: -6 | Atk: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 2d6 gaze blind, 1d8 claw physical, 4d6 cast spell | Align: 15 | flies, regen, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravis 00:00 oh? thought they were  I guess it just the insame MR that is hard to beat. 00:00 yeah they just have crazy MR 00:00 archangels are notame for some reason, though 00:01 another reason to load up 0.8.4 locally, I guess. 00:01 archangels are special case, they dont spawn randomly 00:01 wan to try a pacifist with celestial 00:01 if you see one, it was placed there on purpose 00:01 got pretty damn far in Evil with a pacifist, but stumble when in Gehennnom — big time 00:01 oh, I had forgotten archons can just spawn wherever if you're high level lol 00:02 arch: impressive, that's definitely the farthest anyone's made it pacifist 00:02 the high level monsters are hard to overcome 00:03 am liking druid's potential for that 00:03 get a cave bear with barding — STAT. 00:03 past a certain point, I genuinely hate the "monsters won't attack monsters that are much higher level" 00:04 rule 00:04 yeah, it is eveen difficult w/ conflict. 00:04 YANI: if a monster is a "prince" they ignore that rule 00:04 too prideful 00:04 had pets dancing around Vecna and would not touch him 00:05 have level 49 purple worm with all resistances, with conflict, and would not touch him. 00:05 yeah it's really dumb 00:06 I get that it's a vanilla thing, but evilhack added a bunch of really high level monsters 00:06 conflict was also nerfed in Evil 00:06 I am not sure why I like the idea of beating things/games w/o attacking 00:07 I just like it cuz it's kinda funny idk 00:07 3.7 has evilhack conflict rules basically now 00:07 which came from sporkhack 00:07 I have got myself trained how to move.  step-step-step.... I even move like that in regular games 00:08 hehe once you get that in your muscle memory it's *HARD* to drop 00:08 was wondering if vannilla would follow/have that conflict change 00:08 I find myself moving with 'm' in hallways all the time 00:08 I do in specific situations, for sure 00:09 especially in dark areas before getting telepathy 00:10 I guess I'll run some pacifist druid for gits and shiggles 00:10 this druid game is rough --- turn 72,0000 and no healing spells yet,,,,, 00:10 oh wait! I got cure blindness! 00:10 harhar 00:11 ^72,000 00:11 cannot complain, though 00:11 RNG giveth and taketh and not giveth 00:11 I've found 4 magic lamps very early in this game! 00:11 I wish cure blindness was not terrible 00:12 PFFF okay yeah you can do without some damn healing :P 00:12 I kepp thinking of a way to make it better SOMEHOW.... it is tough nut to crack! 00:13 big reason I was taking things slow. and have not been using wildshape much.... 00:13 what's your race? 00:13 I do not like to waste wishes right away. 00:13 human 00:13  was hoping to be first.... but nope.... Shigris did that 00:13 omg you have so many options 00:13 dragonhide dragonhide dragonhide 00:13 commits inbound 00:13 need saves? 00:14 nope 00:14 shirt of esp/drain res, MR cloak/robe/protection cloak/alchemy smock, boots of speed, jumping, maybe even gloves... 00:14 as a human, the world is your oyster 00:14 was contemplating wishing for dragonhide speed boots.  only found cloth so far. 00:15 and yeah, as a human player, and not a TORTLE player, I have such LUXURIES!  :P 00:15 my one annoyance with tortle is that their builds are so homogeneous 00:15 which, like. duh 00:15 but still 00:15 already wished for T-shirt of decay and oilskin toque 00:16 do you have MR? 00:16 first wish was Dragonbane eons ago after realizing "oMR in Soko. 00:16 oh wow you're set up for some serious success here 00:16 was playing this one with woodland creatures/purple worms, and no dragons 00:17 next build I am hoping to do dragons 00:17 only missing healing spells, higher level evocation and a BoH! 00:17 sometimes I get my first boh from ice queen 00:18 but thanks to your reminder that The Bell works, will be doing that soon. 00:18 the higher level evocation spells have a spawn rate of never so don't get your hopes up :p 00:18 false 00:18 :P 00:18 I want stoneskinnnnnnnnn 00:18 I sually find one, two, or 34 on @NPCs. 00:18 I've only seen one druid NPC 00:18 he was hanging around vecna's 00:19 EvilHack Commits: Alignment abuse (or lack thereof) can affect enchantment and beatitud… https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/7c2353ae5564d893fe56c41c73e251237a5a4777 00:19 EvilHack Commits: Sling bullets won't break as often as other projectiles. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/dc002eb80c75283042d7616db119e620eb387a94 00:19 EvilHack Commits: Slight adjustment to AC bonus for Druids wearing wooden armor. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/3bb87e4d1a6df718051b71e5e160d67dabcfa837 00:19 those are live, so save/reload to catch them if currently playing 00:20 FoD is so freaking nice.... it takes out a LOT of PITA monsters .... quickly! 00:20 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 29948 points, T:9994, withered away 00:20 I've seen once druid NPC myself. a hobbit. 00:21 how does one even 'slightly' abuse alignment? 00:21 I attack one peaceful and it immediately goes to 'moderately' 00:21 there's lots of instances where you only rack up one point of abuse 00:21 purple worm took them out for me, nicely.  was hoping for some good spells! and what do they have?!  the same damned ones I started with! 00:21 attacking a peaceful is like -10 ding i think 00:22 killing a pet is -15 00:22 I attacked 3 pets while confused or stunned, as druid, and it was still only "Slighyly Abused" 00:22 whoa wtf 00:22 I need to stop attacking peacefuls 00:22 complete quest w/o incident. 00:22 I thought it was something negligible 00:22 attacking is a lot different vs killing 00:22 that's why my quest leader always wants to kill me I guess 00:23 oh, I know, but answering how one gets "Slightly" for Loggers. 00:23 and some thing that would ding you, infidels get a bonus for same behavior 00:23 :) 00:23 or just no ding 00:23 Arch :) 00:24 infidels >>>> then 00:24 heh 00:24 Loggers_IX true calling 00:24 to be evil 00:24 dude maybe I am just an evil bastard I never considered this 00:24 Oh I love infidels in that regard.  Infidels are like "Let us destroy this mortal world!" 00:24 well not that much anyway 00:25 you need to watch this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rADdKqPNdaM 00:27 I was thinking of something.  I think entangle _should_ affect whirlies/gaseous creatures. 00:27 oh is that where hecubus comes from? 00:27 Instead of entangling, it should hurt them a bit. 00:28 Loggers_IX YES 00:28 I had never looked into that for some reason 00:28 The fog cloud disperses a bit! 00:29 correct me if I'm wrong - infidel has to carry the amulet or no HP regeneration, and also if they don't have it on their person they cast spells with HP? 00:30 I used to watch Kids in the Hall.  Funny how we age. Used to find it hilarious.  One of the streaming places had all of the seasons....  watched the first season and only chuckled a few times. 00:30 Of course, it was no longer new, so that is a big part of it. 00:30 I think it was on Tubi? 00:30 Correct, Loggers_IX 00:31 cool. the gimmicks for inf always confuse me a little 00:31 was a way to keep infidels from burying the amulet some place and then coming back for it later.... 00:31 WOW newt deathdropped a dragonhide cloak of protection on level one 00:32 WOW is right 00:32 HAX 00:32 -9 right of the bat? 00:32 off 00:33 yep, leather jacket making total AC -1 already 00:33 picked up a steel heavy war hammer also which should be a great melee weapon for the early game 00:33 hey! create grass! yay! 00:33 I love that spell 00:33 I am with you Loggers... it seems too weak 00:34 but I want to cover the DUNGEON in plush, green grass! 00:34 hehe exactly 00:34 it's not a good spell but I like it 00:34 ha! 00:34 grass in Ice Queen level. 00:35 Grass grow in Gehennom? 00:35 its a great spell 00:35 yep. not valley though 00:35 yes it can 00:35 in gehennom 00:35 the damage early on is helpful but it's pretty much cosmetic past mines or so 00:36 oh, unless you have herbivorous pets 00:36 then it's god's chosen spell 00:36 makes nutrition management wayyy easier than it used to be 00:36 though tbh create trees helps with that too if you wanted to kick them for fruit and stuff 00:37 new conduct: Covered every inch of the dungeon, on applicable tiles, with grass. 00:37 pets cant eat grass. yet 00:37 its high on the to-do 00:37 really really want grow trees! 00:37 but you can eat grass if you into something like a horse or the like 00:37 oh really? I am spreading misinformation 00:37 *you poly 00:38 arch: I got to use that spell one (1) time, then I got ganked by dispater and juiblex immediately after :P 00:38 i will prob work on that tomorrow 00:38 my luck for getting evocation spells is dogshit 00:39 some of the most fun spells of all time 00:40 I need my rng to give me less of this detect unseen, summon flame sphere, wizard lock nonsense hehe 00:40 if druid is carrying 50 mistletoe they get hungerless casting 00:41 because they ate the mistletoe 00:42 detect unseen is great for detecting traps, if you regen Pw quickly enough 00:42 love it in Gehennom~ 00:42 my strategy is to walk into traps and eat the effects 00:42 maybe I could adjust that :P 00:42 also wizard lock saved my life several times.... get into a room and quickly cast! 00:42 so so so mant things are stopped by..... doors.... 00:43 ^many 00:43 lol 00:43 heh 00:43 i'm super sleepy. time for bed 00:43 gnite all o/ 00:43 night o/ 00:43 nite 00:51 "huh a random bag, guess i'll tip it" 00:51 bag of tricks... 00:51 night K2 00:51 also you were asking for it doing that 00:52 it was basically a bunch of free XP cuz i'm the goat 00:52 i like to #loot random bags... so you do not lose a charge of a bag of tricks 00:52 (I was very lucky to be in a hallway) 00:52 I usually do but today I was just feeling whimsical 00:53 I do that too! 00:53 so many times I break my own rules and it quite often comes back to bite me....sometimes quite HARD. 00:56 yeah whenever i'm like "I guess I'll just do things a little differently, why not?" I then very quickly discover why not 00:59 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1649 (0:13:37) 00:59 the throne fucked my con and I now have a very impressive carrycap of 475 00:59 gave me permanent see invis though 01:06 yah, I hate then when you go from high teens to 3 or 4 in one sitting 01:06 do ents use uni horns, or do they just pick crap up like other pets that can't use stuff? 01:10 dunno, the game I had ent pets in had one (1) unicorn 01:13 If they're intelligent and have hands they can use unihorns 01:14 the hand status on ents is unclear 01:14 they can't wield things 01:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Arch (Dru Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:74456 (1 day, 4:42:38) 01:21 right, tree hands, not people hands 01:21 ergo probably can't unihorn 01:22 figured as much (not using) 01:23 was excited to get ent epets at first, thikning they'd at least be able to use a shield, maybe helmet, gloves. 01:23 ents come in all shapes and sizes 01:23 maybe have it random? 01:24 The ent tries to put on the helmet but it does not fit! 01:30 I feel like an ent could definitely wield a battle-axe or something but we've been over it before 01:38 oh, i know, hence the idea of making it random 01:38 some ents have all misshapen heads, like the top of a log, or branches... 01:38 some have small hands 01:39 some have hands like branches 01:39 that's a really sick idea 01:40 I know notdnethack has different varieties of ent with different attributes but it's kinda different 01:40 some ents  *will* be able to wield or wear, some will not 01:40 also YANI: if a ent sees a hobbit, there is a chance they will pick them up. 01:40 if it is an "enemy" it will throw them 01:40 heh you'd have to implement monsters picking each other up for that which would probably be horrible 01:40 And it The Ent Bellows: "Little Orcs!" 01:41 i'm reminded of the recent Zelda games, where some of the big goblin guys will throw the little ones at you 01:41 time for me to hit the hay, happy hacking o/ 01:42 -!- Loggers_IX has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:42 ah, yeah, like orc snappers is it? they get thrown and then explode. 01:42 orc sappers 01:53 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:53 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 02:15 -!- buq has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.5.1] 02:24 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:24 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 02:28 -!- Arch has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:42 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:33 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 03:42 -!- malor_ has joined #evilhack 03:44 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Dru Cen Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:46086 (1 day, 4:31:14) 04:19 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 2158 points, T:1885, zombified by a human zombie 04:32 Hmm... 04:32 Does using a Silver Stethoscope hurt the undead? 04:32 Or the demon? 04:33 from real life experience, everybody should get cold damage 04:34 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:2011 (0:14:09) 04:35 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2116 (0:15:13) 04:47 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 9 steel darts on an altar, on T:3430 (0:27:02) 04:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Dru Cen Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:46538 (1 day, 4:55:43) 05:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:650 (0:03:22) 05:14 ADOM has something called "book casting", it means casting a spell directly from a book. This doesn't drain knowledge unlike "real" casting but is more expensive as a result. Wish, the spell (not other sources of Wish) will drain one of your attributes at random by 10. The end goal of an ADOM archmage run is to be able to book cast Wish indefinitely in spite of having all their attributes 05:14 minimized by the spell. The biggest part of the grind iirc is acquiring the large amount of PP (think Pw) required 05:15 One location in the game is guranteed to generate every single spellbook in the game if you are a wizard or necromancer, so getting hold of the book of wish itself is a non-issue 05:16 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 05:16 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 05:16 lol bhaak , you're not wrong 05:17 my thoughts upon getting my lungs/heart checked is basically always "cold!" 05:20 oof, that new alignment abuse commit is pretty severe 05:20 I often have no idea how my alignment got abused 05:22 at least non-artifacts gifts are most useful in the early game where you hopefully haven't abused alignment yet 05:31 [hdf-us] [evil] VFD (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 292 points, T:760, killed by a piranha 05:37 an uncursed dragonhide hat of shock resistance 05:37 that will be a nice one for an intelligent pet 05:38 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:39 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:43 ah nice fix for wooden armor AC 06:00 "You have seriously abused your alignment" I really have no clue :-) 06:03 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:03 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 06:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1876 (0:18:28) 06:15 ugh more alignment abuse stuff? my alignment is always abused and i never know why 06:16 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:16 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 06:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Dru Cen Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:46954 (1 day, 5:35:04) 06:18 \o/ 06:18 last altar! 06:18 grats 06:18 I should maybe set up a stop alert for "guilty" for SCIENCE 06:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4534 (0:47:30) 06:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 5183 points, T:5289, killed by a soldier ant 07:05 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 07:07 k2, nice tweak to wooden armor bonus 07:14 aha! 07:14 K2 it looks like cutting dead trees abuses alignment without a guilty message 07:15 well that's my theory now at least... 07:16 never mind, I thought my alignment got worse, but it's still "seriously" 07:17 ive been forced into abuse on my druid runs when needing to use a wand of fire to escape tree blights 07:22 ent pets are too dangerous, as they can suddenly leave behind blocking dead trees 07:28 just carry an axe in your BoH? 07:32 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:33 i mean, sure, but that can be a sudden fiddly problem when you dont need one 07:33 plus, a dummy like me can miss it, suddenly there is an impassable square that looks like it is just the loot actually embedded in the tree 07:33 as i did here in the ice queen lair 07:34 stupidly trying to walk through the square again and again 07:34 petrified ents turn into statues 07:34 safer 07:34 -!- Tangles has joined #evilhack 07:35 can you whack your pet ent with a cockatrice to make them a petrified ent? :-) 07:35 lol haven't tried that yet 07:38 why wont my pet giant ride my pet mammoth :-( 07:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Dru Cen Fem Neu) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:47171 (1 day, 6:15:38) 07:40 heh, that is right where i am, except i am farting around 07:40 im not sure if my 3 mammoths is enough help 07:41 6 scrolls of fire, 3 mammoths, and prayer 07:43 I just kept whacking with my grayswandir 07:44 you werent too fragile for that? she didnt drown you in summoned monsters? 07:46 managed to summon 1 snow golem 07:46 HP:176(176) AC:-57 07:48 172(172) -50 and i feel weak 07:51 heh 08:09 omigod kathryn has 500 hp? my 6 scrolls of fire barely dented her, i am so f'd 08:10 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:94379 (1 day, 4:24:58) 08:12 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:12 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 08:13 500 HP really? 08:13 she usually has less than 200? 08:13 what level are you 08:13 16 08:13 same 08:14 birthday hp maybe? 08:14 weird 08:14 ooh 08:14 is it still her birthday in your timezone? 08:14 not sure, was her birthday the 12th or 13th? 08:15 12 08:15 yeah then no 08:15 but i might have generated her on her birthday 08:15 so that must be it 08:15 right 08:15 i was like, 6 blessed scrolls of fire then a gentle whack from mjollnir...but noooo 08:16 yeah 500 HP is almost Lucifer 08:16 but you got there 08:19 "You can't cast Stoneskin while Barkskin is active." hah 08:19 but I found it! 08:19 stoneskin is amazing 08:20 <@Loggers_VIII> stoneskin is so so so good 08:20 <@Loggers_VIII> krm26, to answer your previous question, you CAN whack your ent pet with a chicken to get a petrified ent 08:20 k2, annual poke that i believe you should be able to read spellbooks at any time, maybe after a warning about how you already know the spell quite well -- it is just lowering your benefit so should be permitted 08:21 <@Loggers_VIII> and it’s way better if you do because you can actually revive them with stone to flesh 08:21 <@Loggers_VIII> as opposed to ents/elder ents just being unrevivable 08:21 honestly turn undead should bring back dead trees :-) (i understand that is a massive smop tho) 08:22 <@Loggers_VIII> every time I play a spell caster in evilhack I try to read a book before I’m forgetting a spell to top off my memory and I get really surprised when it doesn’t work 08:22 <@Loggers_VIII> that’s in a lot of variants 08:23 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:24 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 08:28 alright, time to steamroll medusa 08:33 actually i guess i can crack the ice queen's altar first 08:34 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:94768 (1 day, 4:48:26) 08:34 well that is that 08:35 I totally forgot the throne 08:36 oh hah, thanks for the reminder 08:36 WISH 08:36 oh bless you mobileuser 08:36 uh 08:36 np lol 08:36 what do i wish for 08:36 magic marker? 08:37 see, i dont normally find the magic markers nearly as useful as polypiling 08:37 they are ok i guess 08:37 magic lamp? 08:37 my only mr source is still the eye i wished for...only reflection source dragonbane...but as a giant options are so limited 08:38 got a lamp 08:38 i always keep the last lamp :-) 08:38 think i have a cursed one somewhere too 08:38 still haven't found one 08:38 speed helm? 08:38 dragonhide speed boots, oilskin toque, dragonbane, bracers 08:39 mjollnir/vorpal blade 08:39 and i have angelslayer in the box for vecna-results 08:39 oh giant not tortle 08:39 still no magic whistle, ive been going through 100 blessed eucalyptus 08:39 magic whistle i guess, although that feels lame 08:39 magic whistle! :-) 08:39 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) wished for "blessed mithril magic whistle", on T:94855 (1 day, 4:54:13) 08:40 I suppose you had an amulet of flying already 08:40 nope 08:40 oops 08:40 but the eye is my only mr 08:41 i still dont know how to deal with that 08:41 ah I thought you mentioned 2 sources yesterday 08:41 i might just leave it until i see if i win the rare tiamat lottery 08:42 i might need to totally rewish my inventory to speed helm/dragonhide water walking/"mr at some point 08:43 still a pain in open air areas 08:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:30144 (19:50:58) 08:44 but what can you do 08:44 mr has to come from the neck slot or a weapon 08:44 or some slotless stealable artifact 08:44 so it is ring of lev for air spaces 08:45 giants got nothing else going for them 08:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:477 (0:07:07) 08:52 i almost put on water walking boots while riding my mammoth and walked into the drink at medusa 08:56 my new minigame is trying to get my damn pets in a line for efficient healing 08:57 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:95833 (1 day, 5:11:48) 08:58 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu), 13171 points, T:6480, killed by a vampire, while being terrified of a ghost 09:04 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) averted death (killed by Ms. Pakka Pakka; the shopkeeper), on T:3131 (1:05:16) 09:08 @Loggers_VIII krm26 why do you find stoneskin so much better than barkskin? 09:09 I just read the commit 09:10 i dont know if it is so much better, it is just better 09:10 but costs more mana to maintain 09:12 at the moment it feels like if you have barkskin it's no big deal to find stoneskin 09:13 I guess for giants / tortles the extra AC is more important 09:16 maybe im confused, what is the difference between barkskin and stoneskin? 09:18 <@Loggers_VIII> stoneskin is one million AC and gives stoning res 09:18 <@Loggers_VIII> my tortles want it so much 09:19 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a mithril long sword entrusted to him by Kos, on T:6878 (1:20:55) 09:22 but I already have stoning res from the QA 09:23 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 09:23 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to him by Kos, on T:7297 (1:24:51) 09:23 and I get a bit more AC, but it's more expensive 09:25 "a staff of escape and searching" funny item 09:27 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:28 wow, a spell staff with a property! 09:28 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:29 <@Loggers_VIII> mobileuser: it lasts a looooong time 09:29 <@Loggers_VIII> you’ll regen the pw before you need to cast again 09:29 <@Loggers_VIII> especially with 9 mistletoe 09:33 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Rat King, on T:16844 (4:46:49) 09:39 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had a magical worn spellbook given to her by Lolth, on T:17277 (4:52:55) 09:40 heh 09:40 snow day! 09:40 got to sleep in 09:40 its not snowing yet but supposely a big storm is coming soon, and the temp is rising enough we may see some melt and then freeze again. nasty raods 09:41 *roads 09:44 -!- mobileuser16 has joined #evilhack 09:47 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17829 (5:00:31) 09:48 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:48 -!- mobileuser16 is now known as mobileuser 09:48 you get snow day we get sad rain day 09:49 give me ONE good 8 to 12 inch snowfall this season and I will be content. haven't had one since winter '21 09:51 <@Loggers_VIII> we got like 8 inches yesterday 09:51 <@Loggers_VIII> and it’s sticking around! wonderful 09:51 weee 09:51 we already have close to 2 ft of snow on the ground already from past snowfall 09:56 >:| 09:59 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:04 errmahgerd this looks nasty, i see why school was closed today 10:04 temp went up from 2 last night to 29 right now, gonna start snowing in the next 15-20 min. heavy snowfall 10:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) murdered MiisuBoi, her faithful little dog, on T:2770 (0:35:31) 10:05 later this afternoon the temp will continue to rise as high as 35-36, snowfall transition to rain, when it ends and the stom pushes through, mreally cold air behind it 10:05 so all the snow to rain will turn to ice 10:06 just in time for my wife's commute back home from work :( 10:14 i miss snow. just gotta hold out to 2030 10:14 although by then i might have to move to canada for snow 10:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4057 (0:55:43) 10:28 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:9181 (1:35:59) 10:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:4771 (0:58:34) 10:29 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a saber entrusted to him by Kos, on T:9341 (1:36:53) 10:31 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:35 -!- Loggers_IX has joined #evilhack 10:35 if I go into a temple as an infidel will the priest curbstomp me 10:35 yeah 10:35 i think so 10:36 lame 10:36 I wanna BUC id :( 10:36 maybe I'll just fire horn from outside or something 10:38 Infidel, you have entered Crom's sanctum! Be gone! 10:39 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:10480 (1:47:04) 10:39 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:40 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3091 (0:22:22) 10:40 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una), 6820 points, T:3092, killed by a ball of cold, while praying 10:40 classic gnomish wizard stunlock :) 10:40 never stand next to a gnomish wizard :-) 10:40 I always get cocky :P 10:41 illithid started with int:8, that seems kinda unusual 10:44 -!- malor_ has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 10:44 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 10:46 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1373 (0:05:16) 10:46 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 10:48 -!- Loggers_IX has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:48 -!- Loggers_IX has joined #evilhack 10:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Dru Cen Fem Neu) murdered her faithful petrified ent, on T:48218 (1 day, 8:14:34) 10:48 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 10:48 urgh harbinger 10:49 moider! 10:53 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:12339 (2:01:15) 10:54 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:56 -!- Tangles has joined #evilhack 10:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 9923 points, T:6975, killed by a dwarf lady, while praying 11:01 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:02 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 11:06 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una), 3190 points, T:2592, killed by a mountain dwarf, while praying 11:07 I really really need to get used to not having a prayer in my back pocket 11:07 both of those were incredible starts that I totally fumbled 11:14 Ith is so lame though 11:14 fountainscum for bone gop 11:18 you want wood 11:18 mobileuser: yeah but I haven't played in a while 11:18 (with) 11:18 *(Ith) 11:19 -!- Loggers_IX has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:19 -!- Loggers_IX has joined #evilhack 11:19 the carrycap thing IS really lame, inventory management is probably my least favorite part of nethack 11:19 it has fun advantages too 11:19 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:14399 (2:27:24) 11:19 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:19 psionic wave is nice 11:19 and flight is cool 11:20 but man that carrycap 11:20 yup :-) 11:20 and sucky HP growth 11:21 I'd rather play them than like, hobbit 11:21 but that's not a very high bar 11:21 -!- Tangles has joined #evilhack 11:21 what XP do they get flight at? 12? 11:28 sounds legit 11:28 Loggers_IX I checked with the ILoI (illithid league of illithids) and they said you're lame 11:29 'he can't even fly! hahahah!' 11:30 ILoI in carrycap denial 11:30 nooooooo 11:30 -!- Loggers_IX has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:30 hah 11:30 -!- Loggers_IX has joined #evilhack 11:30 well tell them I can carry more than 2 spellbooks at a time without becoming totally immobile 11:31 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a steel stiletto entrusted to him by Kos, on T:15995 (2:39:13) 11:31 they enslave others to carry stuff for them 11:31 that was their official response 11:32 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:33 heh yeah I suppose that checks out 11:35 yani: illithid should get like one semi-randomly generated neothelid somewhere per game. the flavor being that you ran away from your illithid city or whatever and now there's a neothelid on the loose hunting for brainsssss 11:36 illithids get neothelids generated like champions and agents after infidels! then illithid infidels could have a REAL party 11:36 see this guy gets it 11:36 lol 11:40 Logically, frumious bandersnatchi should be notably immune to illithid influence. 11:41 If they ever existed in the same universe, that is. 11:43 Not that they would find it easy to carry things anyhow, despite their bulk and strength. 11:54 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:54 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 11:57 wtf is a frumious bandersnatch 12:01 a bandersnatch in the jabberwocky 12:02 most bandersnatch are just cromulent 12:04 -!- Loggers_IX has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:04 frumious bandersnatchi are _originally_ from Jabberwocky but, more relevant here, are also from Known Space. 12:05 In which they are notable for being completely impervious to telepathy. 12:06 dude nobody reads niven any more, they barely know his name over in r/printsf 12:07 the old cops are comin for you 12:07 Eh, Niven isn't even _proper_ oldschool sci-fi. That would be, you know, Asimov and company. 12:07 Niven came along after sci-fi softened out and started including actual character development. 12:08 Granted, he's not Sanderson or Scalzi. 12:09 But he's not A. C. Clarke either. 12:10 Also, this is NetHack, we have references to Tolkein, and Greek mythology, and stuff. 12:11 *Tolkien 12:11 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:12 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 12:12 And Asimov, and Jules Verne, come to think of it. 12:16 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:951 (0:03:57) 12:17 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1200 points, T:1454, killed by Mr. Vanzac; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 12:23 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:1214 (0:04:39) 12:23 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1264 points, T:1217, killed by a piranha 12:27 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2053 points, T:1682, killed by a piranha 12:28 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una), 610 points, T:1301, killed by a sling bullet 12:32 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 dragonhide cornuthaum", on T:2 (0:00:28) 12:33 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 12:37 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:38 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 12:40 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1296 (0:07:57) 12:41 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 991 points, T:1537, killed by an electric shock 12:41 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 12:42 Oi. 12:42 k2: i think when you cast burning hands and you already have burning hands, it should give slightly altered feedback. e.g. "your hands flare more brightly" instead of "your hands are engulfed in a bright orange flame" 12:43 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4 points, T:52, killed by a system shock 12:43 same thing with shocking grasp probably 12:43 sup umbire 12:47 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1699 (0:11:53) 12:48 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:1895 (0:13:04) 12:48 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 175 points, T:970, killed by being removed from a bear trap by her pet, while helpless 12:51 "You severely burn the straw golem with your claws! The straw golem ignites and turns to ash!" 12:51 nice 12:54 when you cast shocking grasp it should destroy your rings :-) 12:55 hahahaHAHAHAHA 12:55 * K2 takes notes 12:56 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3206 (0:20:35) 12:56 man, what is the next wildshape level? i thought for sure id be able to pegasus by 19 12:56 20 12:56 how am i supposed to get through gehennom without flight :-( 12:56 i dont wanna be 20! 20 is the bad level! 12:56 freeze lava 12:56 wear fooproof water walking boots 12:57 or white dragon scaled armor 12:57 ooh i am gonna be a winter wolf and breathe everywhere 12:57 see 12:57 for some reason my hindbrain is telling me that freezing lava is temporary...is that true? 12:57 no 12:57 freezing water is temp 12:57 hmm 12:58 freezing lava turns it into regular floor 12:59 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2536 points, T:1522, killed by an arrow 12:59 if it isnt too much trouble, what are the level 20 forms now? 12:59 it's amazing how a humble ray of cold can turn seething, formless lava into regular old bricks 13:00 dire wolverine, pegasus, mastodon, elder ent, giant centipede? 13:00 off the top of my head 13:01 yup that's it 13:02 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4137 (0:27:07) 13:04 one non-cursed magic lamp and one certainly uncursed... to rub or not to rub... 13:08 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una), 7868 points, T:5758, killed by a giant ant, while frozen by a potion 13:08 shoulda rubbed 13:08 lol 13:08 hmm 13:14 @e?ent 13:14 ent (#) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 5 | Res: sleep poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 20 | Gen: dungeons | AC: 0 | Atk: 6d6 claw physical, 6d6 claw knockback | Align: 0 | genocidable, thick hide, vegan 13:14 @e?elder ent 13:14 elder ent (#) | Lvl: 14 | Diff: 16 | Spd: 5 | Res: sleep poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 40 | Gen: dungeons | AC: -2 | Atk: 6d8 claw physical, 6d8 claw knockback | Align: 0 | genocidable, thick hide, vegan 13:15 i dunno if i think ents are good or ass as a wildshape 13:15 on one hand speed sux 13:15 on other hand whoaaaoaoa,,, damage,,, <33 13:17 yeah they could do 10 times that damage and would still be suss at that speed 13:17 so much can happen in a single round lategame 13:17 monsters getting multiple on you is so dangerous 13:17 yup 13:18 ent is decidedly sub optimal i think 13:18 good for moving boulders if ya wanna mess with that i guess 13:18 it is really too bad that speed is so massively critical 13:18 mastodon on the other hand is slow but not too slow i think 13:18 @e?mastodon 13:18 mastodon (q) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 22 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 5 | Atk: 4d8 butt physical, 4d8 butt knockback, 1d6 hug physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, herbivore, thick hide, infravis 13:18 base 12 lol 13:18 mastodon is same speed as unhasted player 13:19 unhasted non-tortle non-centaur non-giant player i guess 13:19 yeh but comparing to pegasus at 24 13:19 pegasus damage is buns 13:19 don't impugn mastodons by implying they need to rush around at an unstately pace 13:19 24 mean damage at speed 24 vs 39.5 mean damage at speed 12 13:19 dang mastodon damage is buns too 13:19 plus pegasus regenerate 13:19 they do? huh, that's neat 13:20 @e?dire wolverine 13:20 dire wolverine (r) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 17 | Spd: 14 | Res: cold | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Atk: 3d6 claw physical, 3d6 claw physical, 2d8 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, thick hide, stalker, infravis 13:21 @e?saber-toothed tiger 13:21 saber-toothed tiger (f) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 14 | Spd: 14 | Res: cold | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Atk: 3d4 claw physical, 3d4 claw physical, 4d4 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, thick hide, infravis 13:21 weird that giant centipede can drown but cant go in water 13:21 @e?pegasus 13:21 pegasus (u) | Lvl: 18 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 24 | Res: sleep poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: special | AC: -4 | Atk: 2d6 kick physical, 2d6 kick physical, 4d4 bite physical | Align: 0 | herbivore, flies, oviparous, regen, nopoly, infravis 13:21 also better base AC 13:21 iunno what situation would make me want to use dire wolverine 13:21 if fear status existed it would be good 13:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:100538 (1 day, 8:50:54) 13:22 probably ice queen-related situations where cold res gets scarce 13:23 i think it's better to invest in an extrinsic source of cold res cuz there's ice traps in gehennom too 13:23 but yeah i can see that 13:23 id kinda like to see those forms smeared out so you generally get 1 new form per level 13:23 that why you could get the obligate crappier forms at an earlier level 13:24 i think that would be neat 13:24 as it stands you wait a long time to get access to a roster of forms that you'll probably only use like max 2 of 13:24 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:25 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 13:25 yeah, i think having 1/2 per level all the way up would make every single one get used at some point with careful ordering 13:25 it's a lot better early game though, i find myself using a higher variety of forms early on. but that's just kinda how nethack is, higher variety early and homogeny later 13:25 fasho krm26 13:25 well, lizard, rock mole/woodchuck, beetle, piranha, and hawk are all giving you special tricks to use in certain circumstances 13:26 but by the time you get to later levels you have other ways of dealing with all that stuff 13:26 cant make it so its a new form per exp level. there arent enough woodland type monsters of varying hit dice to not make that completely OP 13:26 so the early forms are especially interesting/valuable 13:26 i don't get it, what does HD affect? 13:26 no k2, not talking about adding anything new 13:26 hit dice, difficulty, damage output, etc 13:26 just mean, for example, winter wolf at 7, bear at 8, tiger at 9, for example 13:27 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:27 there's a reason why they are grouped the way they are and accessible at cretain levels 13:27 yeah exactly, there's a lot of problems that you might need solutions to early that you have things besides wildshape to solve later 13:27 i don't understand why it would be OP to implement it as krm26 suggests 13:27 oh i see 13:27 yeah i just mean smear em out with the better ones at the far end 13:28 that would break saves 13:28 so you feel like youre getting a cool prize every, or almost every level 13:28 just a thought 13:28 and i'd have druid_form_A thru Z 13:28 i know how to make people use wolf form -- let a wolf #monster howl for another wolf buddy :-) 13:28 there's not enough bitfields available for that 13:29 i like the wolf idea 13:29 i polyd into a wolf and it saved me 13:29 i feel like coyotes should have disease res or something 13:29 wolf is the only level 3 wildshape that i think has no niche 13:29 and be shape 13:29 yeah giant hawk is kinda just expressly better than wolf 13:29 i think stag is always better than wolf 13:29 stag can't cast 13:29 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:30 mm 13:30 i forgot -- never had anything but grass and entangle to start :-) 13:30 if ya wanna maintain barkskin stag isn't sustainable 13:30 -!- NetSysFire has quit [Quit: generic quit message] 13:30 here's a little trick though, cast barkskin and while it's still active rush goblin king as stag for easy kill 13:30 HAX 13:30 wow, you can get barkskin before level 12? :-) 13:31 yeah i guess if you are a grass starting druid there's not much reason to worry about casting lol 13:31 until you find something cool randomly 13:31 -!- NetSysFire has joined #evilhack 13:31 especially because in wildshape the wood damage bonus is irrelevant 13:32 YANI: druids in ent form get a wood damage and AC bonus cuz they are wood :P 13:35 you already get a damage bonus while in wildshape 13:35 and its more than a flat +2 13:35 yeah but i just mean being in wildshape gives create grass less application 13:36 i think ents should get extra power regeneration to lure us into that slow form 13:36 Loggers_VIII not true 13:36 yes please actually 13:36 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:100569 (1 day, 9:04:58) 13:36 depending on your form, you can eat the grass 13:36 what do you think we are? sheep? 13:36 how much nutrition is that 13:36 and if you're standing on grass or next to a tree, you already get health regen bump (wildshape or not) 13:37 aosdict: baaaaaaaa! 13:37 i dunno if i wanna use power on that, i don't have issues with hunger usually (though for someone who prayed less i could see it having application) 13:37 lol this is awesome. griping about stuff you already have :) 13:37 * K2 goes back to being depressed from reading US news 13:37 point stands that the main draw early on of using wildshape (wood damage bonus) is irrelevant for wildshaped players 13:38 eating grass is an underratedly funny thing about evilhack to me. finally we can live out our pastoral dream of being a grazing animal 13:38 jebus man dont read the news -- im not reading any news until 2030 13:38 i don't know why you are so very convinced on create grass being good when i'm pretty sure everyone to use the spell has commented on it being not very useful :p 13:38 because they just dont get it 13:38 ive used the spell a bunch but havent been attentive enough to understand how beneficial it really is 13:39 ^ this 13:39 it's just bad lol i've used it tons 13:39 +2 damage and slightly increased hp regen 13:39 dependent on positioning 13:39 for a level 3 spell 13:39 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:39 and you can eat it 13:39 krm26: before noticing K2's initial message I thought something really bad had just gone down, in which case I was going to have to go read the news 13:40 aosdict something really bad has been going down almost every day since trump took office 13:40 yeah but like, order of magnitude worse type thing 13:41 like, 10 bad things every day -- every day there are at least 3 political events that strongly mirror germany's descent into nazism 13:41 well... RFJ Jr. just won senate confirmation to lead health care 13:41 *RFK 13:41 that's fucking huge 13:41 and mass firing across several govt agencies started last night/this morning 13:41 the good news is, we'd already doomed the current biosphere, so anything else we destroy is just noise :-) 13:42 <@Loggers_VIII> seeing that thing about RFK made my morning so much more depressing :p 13:42 i'm waiting for my military pension to be slashed or just outright cancelled 13:42 bonus army 2.0 when 13:43 and no one has any idea what's gonna happen to tricare now (that's health ins for military, serving and retired) 13:44 k2: normally, giant, you have a stack of boulders, walk into it, one gets pushed and youre standing on the others 13:44 when you are pushing into lava, the whole stack gets pushed and you can vanish 20 boulders at a shot 13:44 neat 13:45 unless you make the roll to fill up the lava, then it behaves normally 13:46 <@Loggers_VIII> is Medusa’s the only level where digging next to water fills the pit? 13:46 <@Loggers_VIII> with water, I mean 13:47 no, i think that happens everywhere? 13:47 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 1658 points, T:1, escaped 13:48 it happens everywhere, but it's a primary factor with medusa because people like to dig past if they're speedrunning or else don't have a way to cross 13:49 yeah, I was gonna say i think people just notice it because it happens on that level the most 13:52 you don't want to dig near lava either 13:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Dru Cen Fem Neu) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:48415 (1 day, 8:31:03) 13:54 -!- Tangles has joined #evilhack 13:59 You kill the neothelid! hahah 14:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Dru Cen Fem Neu) killed Tal'Gath, on T:48529 (1 day, 8:38:51) 14:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Dru Cen Fem Neu) genocided beholders, on T:48529 (1 day, 8:39:10) 14:07 [hdf-us] [evil] eitbo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4577 points, T:4824, quit 14:10 !lastgame 14:10 K2: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dedal/evilhack/dumplog/1739378782.evil.html :: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eitbo/evilhack/dumplog/1739467270.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1738055831.evil.html 14:10 dammit i forgot you could geno beolders after tal-gath. definitely will remember now 14:12 for a brief moment I read that as "boulders" :-) 14:15 looks like eitbo quit because of orctown 14:18 question, I picked up a loadstone (in a sack) really early on . I'm a giant with gauntlets of power (found early) and it didn't make me stressed or anything, so if I pray will it still be comnsidered a minor trouble and uncurse it? 14:18 or does it have to be causing trouble? 14:19 it has to be in your main inventory 14:19 as it is you can just tip it out of the bag and never have to dealt with it 14:20 yeah .. i didn't tip the bag. i took it out (it's in my main inventory) 14:21 stupid i should have tipped the bag 14:21 well then it qualifies as a minor trouble 14:21 ok cool. thanks man 14:21 np 14:22 i kinda don't want to waste the prayer beauese for whatever reason it isn't affecting me 14:22 -!- Loggers_IX has joined #evilhack 14:22 re: water it doesn't happen everywhere, that's why I'm asking 14:23 did you try dropping the loadstone 14:23 you're a giant so you have more carrycap 14:23 dug a pit next to water on a dungeons level and shit ain't happen 14:23 was it shallow water 14:23 no 14:24 sounds like a probable bug then 14:24 or it might depend on the water being a moat vs. a pool 14:24 the themed room with 9 liquid tiles in the center is where the water was from 14:25 idk off the top if those are pools or moats or what 14:26 i've definitely had it happen in non medusa places 14:26 yes umbire, i tried dropping the stone (it's how i know it's a load stone!!) 14:27 just wanted to make sure the autocursing didn't somehow wonk out 14:28 Loggers_IX, it's also possible it might be chance-based, but it's avoided on medusa because that's a dumb way to throw 14:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1923 (0:09:14) 14:30 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1538 (0:05:54) 14:30 I doubt it 14:31 I tried it a lot 14:32 and i've never heard anyone describe it as a chance 14:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:2533 (0:13:38) 14:34 F-ing zombies 14:34 holy $hit like twenty of them on DL 3 14:35 some of them can spawn in bigass groups 14:35 get a couple of those and you've got yourself an apocalypse 14:35 y'all are late to the party though, when Evil FIRST came out? Like the first week? The zombies were even more prevalent 14:36 and the entire world complained (and he scaled it back a bit) 14:36 and of course the apocalypse is right near my first general store 14:36 I hear early evil was quite a harrowing experience 14:37 oh that's the other thing though. they used to kill the shopkeepers if they weren't human 14:37 (he fixerd that too) 14:38 It was great though if it happened early you could tkae your 3k and run and buy protection 14:39 even nowadays, sometimes a zombie will land a lucky illness hit and you'll get a free wad of cash 14:40 I mean I was also there for that, yeah 14:41 you can also get the occasional unihorn that way, somehow 14:42 don't they just cure themselves 14:43 that's the thing, they should, but sometimes you find one that's just dropped 14:43 probably from attrition/damage 14:44 huh, never seen that 14:47 I recall a few instances from earlier versions 14:47 [hdf-us] [evil] eitbo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2062 points, T:1506, quit 14:55 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Gia Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3612 (0:41:46) 14:55 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una), 3390 points, T:2184, killed by a centaurian watchman 14:55 I keep walking into the temple on accident 14:56 krm26, for whatever it's worth: https://phys.org/news/2025-01-critical-ocean-current-declined-years.html?ref=fixthenews.com 14:57 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 51135 points, T:22829, killed by a zruty 14:58 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Gia Mal Neu) destroyed xialg's ghost, the former Rogue, on T:3804 (0:43:45) 14:59 !lastgame karibou 14:59 Loggers_IX: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/karibou/evilhack/dumplog/1739375780.evil.html 15:01 !lastgame xialg 15:01 rebatela: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/x/xialg/evilhack/dumplog/1739364088.evil.html 15:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a +0 katana on an altar, on T:5165 (0:36:08) 15:04 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest9183 15:04 -!- Guest9183 has quit [Killed (mercury.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 15:04 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:5792 (0:42:31) 15:11 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:7968 (2:02:21) 15:12 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:8037 (2:03:18) 15:15 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:958 (0:04:37) 15:15 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1650 points, T:1011, killed by a rock gnome 15:19 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1099 (0:04:18) 15:22 a trapdoor put me right in the minetown temple... 15:24 nightmare situation for an infidel 15:25 ooh ugh 15:28 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:32 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:3982 (0:17:11) 15:33 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una) became literate by engraving "Praise Moloch!!! >:33", on T:3993 (0:17:39) 15:34 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una), 9492 points, T:4100, killed by a death ray 15:34 wow I didn't know that death rays could go that far 15:34 I am a fool 15:35 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Gia Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5601 (1:16:24) 15:41 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:43 -!- Tangles has joined #evilhack 15:44 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:44 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 15:44 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una), 64 points, T:58, killed by a jackal 15:47 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:669 (0:02:18) 15:47 [hdf-us] [evil] MajiLoggers (Inf Ith Fem Una), 680 points, T:708, killed by a piranha 15:50 You read: Taking a year dead for tax reasons". 15:52 I'm pretty sure there was a discworld bit about people becoming zombies on purpose to avoid taxes 15:53 heh. well, people certainly fake their own deatrhs for ilife insurace etc. IRL 15:53 HHGTHG \o/ 15:53 I don't remember discworld, but a guy like that shows up in the restaurant at the end of the universe 15:53 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:53 despato the black or some such 15:53 -!- Tangles has joined #evilhack 15:53 aosdict: yes! 15:54 hyper galactic rock band guy 15:54 I prob messed up the name 15:54 man i need to read those books again... Parents got me thiis neat Kobo reader, and i've just been geeking out. I'd totally read all the hitchiker stuff again tho 15:56 I just finally finished Infinite Jest... I had started and stopped and started over a bunch of times... 15:59 Discworld has a zombie lawyer who is still litigating his own estate. Dead for tax reasons is Hitchhikers. 15:59 I recall the zombie lawyer and the zombie social rights movement but I feel like there were some taxes mixed in somewhere 15:59 could be making it up 16:00 this dude - https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Hotblack_Desiato 16:00 It does turn out in Jingo that the Guild of Lawyers pays basically no taxes 16:00 woah i just dug down into a BEEHIVE and almost died 16:01 so much fun to be able to run and drop a boulder behind you when something is chasing 16:02 now the honey badgers almost got me... had to teleport htem 16:02 rebatela: me, on the astral plane, until 3.7 outlawed it 16:03 boulders? i can't recall ever using them on astral 16:03 oh you mean blocking the entrance to the room? 16:03 you can't get them with earth scrolls, but they used to block the riders, so I would use extra wishes on them 16:03 ahhh ok 16:03 you could wish for boulder? 16:03 that's dope 16:03 i vaguely remember that 16:03 you can still wish for boulders, they just won't stop the riders 16:04 i still might die here 16:04 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:05 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 16:06 I recommend not dying. that makes it very hard to ascend 16:06 but what if it's for tax reasons? 16:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a kabuto entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:7370 (1:04:50) 16:08 k2, what was the github project with the terminal menu stuff that hardfought uses? 16:09 you mean the online web terminal? 16:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a bone spear entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:7419 (1:06:09) 16:09 yah 16:09 hterm 16:09 https://hterm.org/ 16:09 thx! 16:09 hardfought uses 1.91 16:09 modified slightly 16:10 damn. i had to flee downstairs and my pet horse (pony i forget) wasn't next to me so now it will be feral when i go back up 16:10 i can use a turn to tame it again i guess 16:11 yay still tame 16:14 ah no k2, i meant the code that handles the variant menu/launching/settings editing/watching 16:15 dgamelaunch 16:15 one sec 16:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 23666 points, T:7886, killed by a giant priestess of Amaterasu Omikami 16:16 https://github.com/NHTangles/dgamelaunch 16:16 danke! 16:16 si 16:17 -!- Loggers_IX has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:22 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:22 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 16:26 [hdf-au] [evil] Mystes (Dru Elf Fem Neu), 1116 points, T:2921, killed by a giant mosquito, while praying 17:15 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:05 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:12617 (3:17:02) 18:10 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:11 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had an axe entrusted to her by Odin, on T:12883 (3:23:04) 18:16 -!- Tangles has joined #evilhack 18:19 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13467 (3:30:42) 18:39 The pony eats some grass 18:39 muhahahah 18:39 it works \o/ 18:39 now just need to tweak it 18:44 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:44 -!- Tangles has joined #evilhack 19:01 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of stone gauntlets of power entrusted to him by Kos, on T:18480 (2:55:54) 19:04 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 19:19 EvilHack Commits: Allow pets that can eat grass, to eat grass when hungry. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/207b2243b82badb4905cf5a36bca1e9f1f4288ce 19:19 \o/ 19:19 !!! 19:19 does the grass get consumed, or does it provide endless nutrition? 19:19 what do you think :) 19:19 i think it provides endless nutrition because you love us 19:20 <3 19:20 read the commit 19:24 if anyone says create grass isnt awesome - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Uodg_b5gilY 19:24 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:26 if your ip number is in florida, it should create st augustine grass, which doesnt feed herbivores and continually spawns fire ants 19:26 -!- Tangles has joined #evilhack 19:27 hahah 19:27 YANI: ants can hide in grass 19:27 or sand 19:29 <@Loggers_VIII> remove the wood damage bonus and give standing on grass or next to a tree a bonus to evocation casting success rate and I’ll say grass is awesome 19:30 <@Loggers_VIII> not like robe level though that’d be op 19:30 no that's dumb :) 19:30 staff of evocation is a thing ya know 19:30 and SotA covers evocation too 19:31 s/:)/:P 19:32 <@Loggers_VIII> I kinda think that you should be able to somehow change a quarterstaff into a magical staff using a kind of magical component 19:32 <@Loggers_VIII> like use a bunch of mistletoe to turn a quarterstaff into an evocation one or something 19:32 collect the teeth from 1000 long worms 19:33 dipped in neothelid blood 19:33 <@Loggers_VIII> the crysword 19:33 oh shit 19:33 crysblade 19:33 <@Loggers_VIII> that would be badass 19:33 forge x number of crysknives 19:34 or merge or whatever 19:34 it would actually cool for the various staffs to be craftable, but it would have to be a giant pain :-) 19:34 <@Loggers_VIII> YANI: themed room full of sand, with long worms (baby long worms if it generates early) 19:35 [hdf-us] [evil] LiamTheDruid (Dru Cen Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a giant hawk, on T:3000 (1:11:39) 19:36 <@Loggers_VIII> krm26: yeah, I just think they’re a bit underused partly because they’re rare and also because there’s a lower chance you get one you really want 19:36 sarlacc from return of the jedi, that's kinda how i envision making giant antlion 19:36 <@Loggers_VIII> the crysblade might be a joke but I actually think it would be cool 19:37 krm26 - need a lathe 19:37 forges, lathes 19:37 next would be a computer repair shop 19:37 tailor shop 19:38 handwave. every one of these steps is shod with metal, which you can work with the magic hammer on a forge 19:38 this makes me think: why tf did the survivors in 'the last of us' not make themselves leather armor from head to toe? 19:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) stole 11522 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Annootok's general store, on T:1460 (0:05:23) 19:38 (all zombie shows are stupid is why) 19:38 * K2 nods 19:38 they should make a 20 episode period-set day of the triffids tv show 19:39 show those mf-ers how it is done wyndham-style 19:39 <@Loggers_VIII> I love that movie 19:39 except maybe change all the misogyny 19:39 movie, ugh, is that the one where they decided the triffids weakness is salt water? 19:39 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah it fucking sucks lol 19:40 god damn producers 19:40 "but what if hamlet studied kung fu and then challenged claudius to a duel in a flaming gladiatorial stadium?" 19:40 <@Loggers_VIII> then that would be the coolest shit of all time probably :P 19:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class ;), on T:1873 (0:09:27) 19:43 K2, probably also because it'd be hot and heavy-ish 19:44 yeah you just described the nearly 3 yrs i spent in iraq 19:44 not that there aren't like 100 stupid things going on in any given zom show 19:45 balistic vest + AP plates + helmet + 210 rounds 5.56 + other assorted gear = roughly 60 lbs 19:45 leather armor would be lighter than that 19:45 granted 19:45 dunno how many of them would be trained with any kinda armor period though 19:45 oh add another 10 lbs for M4 w/ accessories 19:46 yeah i have extensive plans for the zombie apocalypse...unfortunately we're gonna get the kind where the zombies are people, which is much harder to effectively maneuver 19:46 i would gladly suffer hot leather armor vs getting bit my a fungus zombo 19:46 *by 19:47 yup, no zombie is biting through full thickness cowhide, thats for sure 19:47 nice quality goalie mask up top 19:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2690 (0:14:56) 19:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided piranha, on T:2721 (0:15:08) 19:48 awww :-( found a +4 silver aklys on the first mines level, finally lost it to cancellation on vecna's first level 19:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:2849 (0:15:53) 19:49 time to break out the hammer 19:52 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:55 is it... hammer time? 19:56 stop! 20:01 :) 20:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Arch (Dru Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 Grayswandir", on T:75880 (1 day, 5:31:22) 20:06 !who 20:06 K2: [hdf-us] eitbo [evil] krm26 [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 20:07 saved and out 20:07 can resume 20:07 let your horsey pets eat grass 20:08 woolly mammoths like grass 20:08 in fact, woolly mammoths should probably automatically eradicate grass everywhere they pass 20:08 do like fire elementals, salamanders already do that? 20:09 no 20:09 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/4c48a76b1e7aba7ac6f84b4c1b69a4898c2292be 20:09 ^ see the mondata.h bit 20:10 yay! grass for trunkhavers! 20:11 new obj: lawn mower 20:11 you called groundhogs woodchucks so you should let them also eat wood 20:11 wood wood wood 20:12 i didnt call them that 20:12 that's what they are 20:12 and they dont eat wood. they eat insects and stuff from your garden 20:15 W O O D 20:15 you are thinking of the non-troglodytic woodchucks 20:22 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 20:23 you want a beaver 20:23 beavers dont eat wood! they just chew it up 20:23 silly 20:23 but i do 20:23 i want a beaver 20:23 heh 20:24 food time brb 20:39 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:01 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5509 (0:36:38) 21:03 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:5649 (0:38:41) 21:04 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:5826 (0:40:02) 21:15 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Dwa Fem Neu), 9885 points, T:9414, killed by a giant ant 21:33 Woah. A non-ascii character! 21:33 evilhack has changed :P 21:34 :) 21:37 Those creeping mounds are freaking dangerious! They're good. 21:40 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1416 (0:10:47) 21:42 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Dru Hum Mal Neu), 1236 points, T:1366, killed by a gnome queen 21:43 i demand to speak with a manager 21:51 K2: I spoke to the manager for you, but she doesn't want to see you. She says instead, "Let them eat cake!" 21:52 Oh this is a curious message. 21:52 > You hear a pan flute being played nearby. Huh, What? Where am I? 21:53 satyr 21:53 Fascinating. 21:54 And I'm incapable of playing the mithril pan flute. ;( 21:55 poly into a satyr :) 21:55 I have **standards**. 21:55 if you make yourself deaf, or wear a toque, you wont be affected by their mystical tunes 21:55 I did consider t hat, but it's too early in the game. 21:58 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3550 (0:28:07) 21:58 oh yeah creeping mounds, careful with those 21:58 gelcube lite 21:58 no paralysis but still dangerous 21:59 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 17750 points, T:5614, killed by a forest centaur 21:59 well at least it wasn't a mound 21:59 Indeed, but here, it was a pet warhorse that ended up killing me. 21:59 I like the changes. 21:59 thanks 21:59 glad you're having fun 22:00 I am, thanks. :P 22:00 Will do another game after work! 22:00 slowly but steadily getting druid and associated spells and behavior (wildshape) dialed in 22:01 i wanna get 0.9.0 to official release status so i can work on 0.9.1 22:01 i have some fixes and ideas that break saves 22:01 i think we could .1 right before junethack 22:01 *could see 22:01 Very nice, evilhack increasingly feels like a very polished variant, rather than a purely "evily-hard nethack". 22:02 WUT 22:02 have I strayed from evily-hard??? 22:02 Yes. 22:02 NOOOOO 22:02 lol 22:03 I say all this whilst still not ever ascending it. 22:03 the altar changes for 0.9.0 i think make it a bit more difficult 22:06 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:6735 (0:28:41) 22:10 arahael have you tried druid yet? 22:12 No, but druid sounds fun. 22:12 I know D&D druid is nice and OP. :P 22:12 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5058 (0:42:36) 22:12 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Dru Hum Mal Neu), 1521 points, T:1398, killed by a rabid rat 22:14 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:7539 (0:36:16) 22:18 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:7938 (0:39:56) 22:28 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) had a steel dwarvish bearded axe entrusted to her by Crom, on T:9445 (0:50:00) 22:29 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:6305 (0:59:26) 22:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 20745 points, T:10276, killed by an orc shaman 22:32 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.5.1] 22:50 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 10158 points, T:9353, poisoned by an orcish arrow 22:54 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 28 points, T:131, killed by a system shock 22:56 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 63 points, T:189, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph 22:59 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 124 points, T:625, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph 23:00 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a system shock 23:03 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:509 (0:02:28) 23:03 [hdf-us] [evil] LiamTheDruid (Dru Cen Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3693 (1:21:10) 23:03 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:05 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a system shock 23:10 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 82 points, T:396, killed by a water moccasin 23:14 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) murdered her faithful hobbit zombie, on T:65 (0:00:58) 23:34 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4122 points, T:2364, killed by a mountain dwarf 23:36 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:42 -!- Tangles has joined #evilhack 23:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 213 points, T:455, killed by a djinni