00:04 -!- Loggers_IX has joined #evilhack 00:05 umbire re latest commits pushed: that's just valley of the dead disallowing the plant spells right 00:05 also the werewolf stuff 00:05 and uhhh 00:05 rothes being omnivores rather than herbivores 00:06 For Some Reason 00:15 evilhack should add some of the fucked up werecreatures from slashem 00:16 I dunno if it would actually benefit from that I just kinda like them for some reason 00:34 some of them are cool ngl 00:34 weretiger is sick 00:34 and fucking terrifying 00:34 if weretigers existed I would at least carry werebane in a bag instead of putting it in my magic chest 01:33 -!- Loggers_IX has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:46 -!- Loggers_IX has joined #evilhack 01:47 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 01:50 -!- Loggers_IX has quit [Client Quit] 02:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:314 (0:01:52) 02:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 111 points, T:347, killed by a water demon 02:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:434 (0:02:22) 02:57 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 02:57 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #evilhack 03:02 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2780 (0:26:12) 03:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Dru Cen Fem Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:36308 (23:13:32) 03:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3018 (0:28:51) 03:19 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1676 points, T:4910, killed by a large spider 03:35 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 499 points, T:1832, killed by a large spider, while frozen by a monster's gaze 03:49 werewolf created in the quest! 03:49 ^ krm26 03:54 The werewolf summons help! haha 04:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Dru Cen Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:37010 (23:38:10) 04:01 \o/ 04:01 thanks K2 :-) 04:07 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1019 points, T:2694, killed by a gnome lady, while frozen by a monster's gaze 04:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Dru Cen Fem Neu) used a forge to create Harbinger, on T:37466 (23:49:08) 04:23 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 04:25 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 04:41 dmonsfree: 1 removed doesn't match 2 pending on Dlvl:21 04:41 was there a fix for that... 04:43 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 494 points, T:1482, killed by a bear trap 04:47 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 04:48 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 04:48 <@hackemslashem> mobileuser: That can be many things. Anything that might kill a monster twice, like an explosion followed by an attack 04:54 yeah it's a known problem with the new artifact Harbinger that procs acid explosions 04:55 ah 04:55 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/9330f0b9f8fbbd4f9495a990998d23a89528bdaa 04:56 K2 "dmonsfree: 1 removed doesn't match 2 pending" still happened with a thrown Harbinger against a mind flayer 04:56 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Dru Cen Fem Neu) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:39082 (1 day, 0:21:59) 05:10 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:38 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest8959 05:38 -!- Guest8959 has quit [Killed (osmium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 05:38 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 05:45 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:22 so how is harbinger, mobileuser? it is everything i dreamed about from when i first started whining about an artifact aklys these many moons ago? 06:22 Yes! 06:23 My Grayswandir kills things slightly faster, but the ranged option is great 06:24 lost of werewolves in the quest now 06:25 * lots 06:49 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 3854 points, T:5578, killed by a jackal, while sleeping 07:06 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 07:11 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 07:13 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 457 points, T:2060, killed by a sewer rat 07:27 thrown, got it 07:27 GDAMMIT 07:28 steady 07:29 "damn you mobileuser!" :-P 07:30 heh 07:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Con Ith Mal Cha), 72 points, T:132, killed by a poisonous corpse 07:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Con Ith Mal Cha), 0 points, T:12, killed by a water moccasin 07:36 arcane caster horror? booo 07:37 hide under objects is great through, i just have to scatter gold pieces around 07:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Con Ith Mal Cha), 0 points, T:10, killed by a steel dart 07:41 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1270 points, T:3566, killed by a rabid rat 07:46 aligned temple on 21! yeah baby! 07:50 woohoo 07:51 HAX 07:51 btw I am pleasantly surprised that as level 15 centaur I can already cast FoD with 0% failure 07:51 MOAR HAX 07:51 expert in evocation i assume 07:52 yeah, but still, low int/wiz stats for centaur 07:52 awesome - every chat and every channel is dead right now except for nethack - love this group :) 07:52 but I'm wearing a robe 07:52 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #evilhack 07:52 ah yeah robe 07:52 heya arahael 07:52 hey arahael 07:52 hey 😝 07:54 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:71875 (19:17:11) 07:54 ^ ah, that one is still on my wish list 07:55 ive already forgotten -- crown on fractured, but fracture if unfractured? or only crown on unfractured? 07:55 crown anywhere 07:55 if not fractured, becomes fractured 07:55 fractured? that must be new 07:56 LOTS of new exciting stuff 07:56 including a bug fix for that untrappable trap problem you had in mimic of the mines 07:57 i really need to get back into this. 07:57 and find new bugs 07:57 heh 07:58 including in my brain! discovering thati am likely to have adhd so that's fun 😝 07:59 i wonder how many of us are neurodiverse :P 08:00 I assume a sizable chunk of the nethack community is neurodiverse 08:01 a sizable chunk seems about right! 08:01 except for K2 and all those dudes in the dev team's office, of course 08:15 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a shield of light entrusted to him by Kos, on T:3673 (0:34:10) 08:16 wait... I've just realised they lost cost and have to rely on randoms looking for them, i remember this happening in June... 08:16 *lost code 08:28 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:29 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 08:33 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:4262 (0:51:11) 08:42 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) murdered his faithful little dog, on T:5119 (1:00:07) 08:42 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a leather armor entrusted to him by Kos, on T:5388 (1:00:50) 08:45 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a dwarvish spear entrusted to him by Kos, on T:5996 (1:03:24) 08:49 I'm surprised my ent pets don't pick up boulders 08:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Con Ith Mal Cha), 59 points, T:207, killed by a water demon 08:55 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:74826 (20:18:46) 08:56 well, at least i had another shot :-) 08:56 quest altar? 08:57 no, found a temple squirrelled away on 17 i had missed earlier 08:57 coaligned even! 08:57 quest altar is unusable for me without werewolves 08:57 i'll have one more shot with kathryn 08:57 there are werewolves now in the quest 08:57 I already got an artifact out of it 08:58 i went back and still havent seen any generate 08:58 figured it was because my levels were already created 08:59 mine were also already generated 08:59 hmm 08:59 i'll go back 08:59 wait some more, they will generate 08:59 yeah 09:00 and don't kill them, just let them summon help 09:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Dru Cen Fem Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:40823 (1 day, 1:28:29) 09:02 still want dragonbane... 09:02 but I do have an artifact wish left 09:04 not very happy with dragonbane on a druid...really want those dragons. but as a giant i dont have much choice 09:05 at least i got it without a wish! 09:05 well you always want dragons, whatever role you play :-) 09:05 they are so much fun 09:06 but they are more important with roles that dont have great damage output 09:06 oooh got werewolves! build must not have lived when i checked last night 09:06 I still have a Dagul figurine in reserve 09:07 but I have no complaints about my damage output with Grayswandir + Harbinger 09:07 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:07 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:08 would have loved to make harbinger, but alas, giant 09:10 i shoulda got an axe to carry around for all the tree blight corpses 09:10 do wolverines not leave corpses? 09:12 they do 09:12 corpses for most monsters are not guaranteed 09:13 i know, i was just noticing that i have never yet seen one 09:14 krm26 those skeletons leave axes everywhere 09:16 so k2, if a tree blight dies to a boulder, you have a boulder overplotting a tree. if you chop the tree, it destroys both the tree AND the boulder in the same swing 09:16 oh, no, im wrong -- i guess chopping the tree just chops the boulder? 09:16 destroy the boulder 09:17 can you kick the boulder? 09:17 you can but it wont do anything 09:17 "You hit the tree with all your might. The boulder falls apart." 09:17 krm26 what did you use? axe? or pick axe 09:18 axe 09:18 hah 09:18 i wonder if this is vanilla bug too. you could recreate this in vanilla i bet 09:18 read a scroll of earth next to a tree 09:19 the boulder won't land on the tree K2 09:19 HAX 09:19 I remember that from the Infidel quest 09:22 added to the pad 09:29 hmm crap 09:30 I'm noticing that I forgot to add some bits for harbinger in dothrow.c 09:30 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:30 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:11602 (1:48:08) 09:30 hmm no this bit is ok 09:30 still though... 09:34 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:41 -!- Tangles has joined #evilhack 09:44 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:53 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:54 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) had a saber entrusted to her by Silvanus, on T:78698 (21:17:37) 09:58 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:79399 (21:21:42) 09:58 sweet! 09:59 thank you quest altar 09:59 is it? 09:59 nooo if he says its good, leave it be 09:59 heheh 09:59 finally werewolfed up soa 09:59 :) 09:59 ah 10:00 guess i should crown while im here 10:03 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a platinum javelin entrusted to him by Kos, on T:13637 (2:01:23) 10:05 A spear shoots up from a hole in the ground at you! But it breaks off against your rough bark. 10:05 ooh yeah 10:08 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a dagger entrusted to him by Kos, on T:14919 (2:05:40) 10:10 hey a weredemon on level 24 10:10 where is LOGGERS 10:10 at the pawn shop selling werebane 10:11 lol 10:11 You severely burn the weredemon with your silver blade! You kill the weredemon! 10:11 ONE HIT with +0 werebane 10:13 yay another altar 10:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 64 arrows on an altar, on T:3567 (0:35:55) 10:13 omg so many HAX 10:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Con Ith Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3046 (0:19:19) 10:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Con Ith Mal Cha), 1134 points, T:3059, killed by a giant bat 10:15 hey hey i recreated the dmonsfree 10:15 \o/ 10:15 A surge of acid flows through the aklys! You kill the newt! You kill the newt! Harbinger returns to your hand! 10:15 dmonsfree: 1 removed doesn't match 2 pending on Dlvl:1 Program in disorder! (Saving and reloading may fix this problem.) 10:17 one way i was thinking of fixing this - dont allow the explosive surge to even happen unless its actually in your hand. this also protects you - if you throw harbinger at a monster at melee range and the acid explosion procs, you have no acid protection (and neither does your stuff) because it's not wielded 10:18 it'll still do acid damage of course when thrown, just no BOOM chance 10:19 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:2346 (0:25:32) 10:19 makes sense, although throwing at melee range is really the players responsibility 10:20 and the instakill of giants effect? 10:20 that should be fine, no explosion there 10:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Con Ith Mal Cha), 4 points, T:112, killed by a grid bug 10:23 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:17382 (2:21:00) 10:24 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2992 (0:30:00) 10:24 yeah the giant instakill is separate from explosion bit 10:26 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 20166 points, T:17553, killed by a crocodile, while dressing up 10:28 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 10:29 oh yeah that fixes this nicely 10:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Con Ith Mal Cha), 471 points, T:1397, killed by a giant bat 10:31 https://chumley.barstoolsports.com/union/2020/03/16/37e9e307.gif?crop=0.73%2C0.99%2Cx0.13%2Cy0.00%2Csafe 10:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Con Ith Mal Cha), 7 points, T:29, killed by a water elemental 10:59 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 18 greased shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:5786 (1:04:52) 11:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Con Ith Mal Cha), 33 points, T:303, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 11:01 EvilHack Commits: Fix: dmonsfree with artifacts that cause explosive damage when thrown. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/47d6282069020231c18f8c9586f75eb3dc36cb81 11:08 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) had a saber entrusted to her by Silvanus, on T:82669 (22:31:31) 11:11 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1765 (0:19:37) 11:13 that commit is a twofer 11:14 saw and fixed a minor issue with dichotomy 11:14 nice artifacts dont explode 11:16 !who 11:16 K2: [hdf-us] dbanethacker [evil] krm26 [evil] rebatelo [evil] DragonSidedD [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 11:16 that commit is live, if playing, save/reload to get it 11:19 -!- buq has joined #evilhack 11:22 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:24 -!- Tangles has joined #evilhack 11:26 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) became Silvanus' Envoy of Balance, on T:83621 (22:49:09) 11:27 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Gia Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:60079 (16:45:50) 11:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) had a pair of steel kicking boots entrusted to her by Venus, on T:9746 (1:35:03) 11:37 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:44 -!- Tangles has joined #evilhack 11:44 note to self, gulthias trees are no joke 11:48 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:84504 (23:11:23) 11:51 yeah, dont touch and burn burn burn 11:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Con Ith Mal Cha), 313 points, T:1376, killed by a water moccasin 11:56 another altar on 22! amazeballs! 12:03 man, i screwed up. Hadn't played in a few days and forgot i was a giant and somehow when I killed it I rememberedd not to eat it, but i sacrificed it instead! 12:03 whoops! 12:03 (a hill giant shaman) 12:04 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:04 so god took all my protection away.. I've bought most of it back 12:05 -!- buq has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.5.1] 12:05 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:05 -!- buq has joined #evilhack 12:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 15910 points, T:12912, killed by a yeti 12:06 i could REALLY use a wish. I'm at the castle (and that's a guaranteed 2 now?) but man what a difference an early wish or two can make in this game, even before the changes 12:07 -!- Tangles has joined #evilhack 12:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 14 points, T:318, killed by a system shock 12:12 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 16 points, T:91, killed by a system shock 12:16 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:18 -!- Tangles has joined #evilhack 12:20 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 492 points, T:964, killed by a goblin shaman 12:31 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1310 (0:09:11) 12:34 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Gia Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 dragonbane", on T:63483 (17:50:02) 12:35 thank you smoky potion! 12:36 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1270 points, T:1809, killed by Mr. Eymoutiers; the shopkeeper 12:44 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:3661 (0:41:56) 12:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3192 (0:33:10) 12:45 SUCH a relief having acid resistance 12:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3248 (0:34:12) 12:46 @e?gulthias tree 12:46 gulthias tree (#) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 23 | Spd: 10 | Res: cold sleep poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: special | AC: -6 | Atk: 6d8 claw physical, 6d8 claw physical, 6d6 hug physical | Align: -15 | carnivore, breathless, mindless, thick hide, nopoly, vegan 12:46 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #evilhack 12:49 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3590 (0:12:49) 12:51 netsysfire: yeah, the thing was hugging me and i didn't realize it (there were a bunch of other trees i was fighting in the same room) 12:51 tree hugger 12:51 hehe 12:51 I AM IRL lol 12:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:4442 (0:49:24) 12:52 trees are cool 12:52 Yeah, i walk along this trail every day that used to be a railroad, and they spent like 9 million dollars turning it into a multiuse trail, but they planted a TON of trees as part of it 12:53 and a lot of them are tagged saying the type of tree and the latin and all that, and I find myself stopping and reading and learning about the tree! 12:53 i love flora information 12:53 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1170 points, T:4181, quit 12:54 in which part of the world do you live, roughly? 12:54 Boston 12:54 i learned that in new england a lot of autumn olive, some japan berry, was planted in the 1940s to combat erosion and it has since then naturalized 12:54 oh cool 12:54 like 5 miles outside 12:55 where are you? 12:55 north-western germany 12:55 no shit? 12:55 nope 12:55 very cool ! 12:55 i am contributing to cataclysm: dda which plays in MA and i read up on sooooo much regarding new england flora 12:55 for example, two native crops you have there are ground nuts and jerusalem artichoke, which basically fed the natives and also the new arrivals 12:56 recently i also informed myself about hickory, chokeberries and so on 12:57 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:4864 (0:54:42) 12:57 we have a lot of beech forests here while yours are the new england arcadian forests - mostly oak/hickory with some pines sprinkled in. 12:58 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3944 (1:24:34) 12:59 the issue is i live far away and the game is basing heavily on realism so its hard. i used go botany a lot and random peoples blogs and youtube videos and so on 13:02 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 5208 points, T:5543, killed by a drow cleric, while paralyzed by a monster 13:02 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1266 (0:08:20) 13:04 netsysfire: very cool!! 13:09 i'm going back to school, and i'm really considering studying botany or forestry or whatever tthe fuck the majors I would need to know like what you were just saying! 13:09 Id love to be a park ranger or something 13:10 I'm in recovery... and I'm 45 yrs old i think i can make the second have of my life be whatever I want, and I may as well learn/try to have a career re: something I ENJOY and am interested in 13:11 half* 13:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:5052 (0:59:39) 13:12 it would be AWESOME to get paid to play nethack! (but i don't see anyone doing that for me) 13:14 castle time i guess 13:15 rebatela: go check out but i'll have you know that i am actively working on a fork because of unacceptable problems in governance and gameplay 13:15 i did a lot of PRs improving flora 13:15 oh cool 13:16 i am very interested in wilderness survival 13:16 i laid the foundations for their somewhat popular innawoods mod, no cities, just living entirely off the land 13:16 neat 13:16 also, you can play cdda in curses, like nethack 13:17 yeah i very good friend of mine took a year off after highschool/before college, and hike the Appalachain trail by himself 13:17 but i recommend tiles or else you'll have alphabet soup in the forests 13:17 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:3227 (0:22:52) 13:17 i love the wilderness etc. but i can't tell if you're talking about video games or not lol 13:19 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:19 aaaa rebatela come back 13:19 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 13:20 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:28 NetSysFire: just as a side comment, there is not too much wilderness survival involved in hiking the appalachian trail 13:28 rebatela: the video game is based on realism so if it works irl i am interested 13:28 aosdict: its about techniques! 13:29 we have pemmican, i wish we knew more about native american stuff for the MA tribes 13:30 isn't mithril supposed to be ok for magic? 13:30 not gonna say there's NO survival skill needed. but I would say logistics and determination matter more than that 13:30 Like i just got a mithril helm of speed and it's no different for fail % as the regular one 13:38 i can't wear a t-shirt (cuz giant) but is there somethingelse i could wish for with a drain resistance property? 13:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) had a magical moth-eaten spellbook given to him by Lolth, on T:7127 (1:35:40) 13:50 no rebatela, no metal is good for magic 13:51 it's so hard to get stuff like that... Drain resistance I can live without but I think the only way a giant can get Acid resistance is dragonbane? 13:51 as a giant you can get a hat of drain resistance or bracers of drain resistance 13:51 krm26: right on 13:51 oh ok 13:51 you can get acid resistance from dirge 13:51 that's what i was wondering.You can add it to a hat property? 13:51 or from ashmar 13:51 right 13:51 dragonhide toque of decay 13:52 or dragonhide bracers of decay (or esp, or excellence...) 13:52 i'm playing weaponless monk and i have 5000 artifact weapons, despite all this effore to stop the altar camping that is ruining tthe game 13:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 495 points, T:984, killed by a goblin shaman 13:52 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 17933 points, T:7271, killed by a bolt of lightning 13:53 i mean... I played regular nethack on NAO for years, and the amount of altar camping (nevermind pudding farming) that went on is NOTHING compared to what i've done to try and get dragonbane 13:54 and it somehow bothered people enough that some people have the patience to grind and it's not how THEY play so it needs to get changed. And it's FINE. I love the game. I just don't pay enough attention to what others are doiung 13:55 i meant to say, what I've done is nothing compared to the degenerate behavior i wintnessed (in VANILLA) while learning the game 13:56 But I enjoy when other people ascend 13:56 i cant speak for k2 but the change to altars does prevent always being able to forge any forged artifact you want 13:56 which definitely makes some runs easier 13:56 i would use them that way, i'd decide i wanna try x role with y and z forged artifacts for kicks and then i would spend 100k turns making that happen 13:57 obv wont be doing that any more :-) 13:57 it *can* be a real bummer on runs with 0 or even just 1 random altar (like my 2 druid ascensions) 13:58 It just sucks. Any constructive criticism i give is never taken seriously, while other people who win all the time not only have his ear, but they seem to have the time to watch what everyone else does and complain aboutg it 13:58 on the other hand, my current run has 6, which is hard to complain about, even for me :-) 13:58 ... 13:58 i think k2 does a good job of listening to all at least semi-constructive criticism 13:58 like, I WANT you guys to win 13:58 it should be US against k2, not only wanting to be the one who ascends 13:58 that doesnt mean he always agrees, i know that he poops on a good proportion of the stuff *i* vomit out 14:00 i dont follow this channel religiously like k2 does (dont go read backscroll when im not around), but i dont recall an instance of your input being treated differently than anyone elses reba 14:00 i mean eventually you'll end up with a game catered to your style that no one else plays... ANd it's why the devteam was always anonymous., Obviously many of them play the game too 14:00 well. i've been intoxicated a lot 14:00 so i get not taking me seriouslyt 14:00 and i feel horrible about that 14:01 heh, k2 has made several major changes that one could argue were SPECIFICALLY aimed at my play over the last year or two 14:01 i just poke another pin in my k2 voodoo doll 14:01 but yeah because of that i think anything i say is laughed at, and it's my own fault... I just don't think the best players who play ALL the time should be openly shaping the game 14:02 who do you think the game is being shaped for? 14:02 I don't know 14:02 i just mean in general 14:02 no one in particularly 14:03 when you read the changelog and the reddit post for when this version came out, peopple have obviously been complaining aboutg other people's strategies 14:03 i think it might be fair to say that the people who really love evilhack and play it a ton do so because our views of how the game is most fun happen to coincidentally align closely with k2's views 14:03 he said so. So he changed the game to suit their needs. It's like exactly the opposite of what I loved about nethack 14:04 can you be specific? who complained about what strategy that resulted in what change? 14:04 NO 14:04 i'm not going to do that. I'll get banned again lol 14:04 nobody will ban you for repeating what you read on the channel 14:04 it is just difficult for me to give a constructive response to such muddy generalities 14:05 ask him 14:05 i mean, you brought it up, im asking you 14:05 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1306 (0:12:42) 14:05 read that changelog... It's obviously been a huge problem of people complaining to him about other people praying too much or something. And this is how i got banend 14:05 im not trying to be combative, just want to understand what we're talking about 14:05 even talking about it 14:05 i think you are misunderstanding the impetus for the altar changes 14:06 if your strategy is anything more than getting the best weapon and bumping into things, people seem to have a problem. I dunno who 14:06 how is grinding a problem? like, why would you care if someone else takes the time to do that? 14:06 from my perspective, k2 has watched me pump every artifact i ever wanted out of altars ever since forging was introduced, and thought that was over the top, and made some changes to mitigate that behavior 14:07 i just am trying to ascend... I don't care what YOU do 14:07 I cant recall anybody ever saying "someone stop krm26 from altar camping!" 14:08 welll uhhh someone did and it was magically solved by "fracturing" the altars... Some people never pray, or learn spells... And that's fine 14:08 i used to play that way too 14:08 i didn't even understand how altars worked when i ascended the first time 14:09 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:5939 (1:39:04) 14:10 the only people who even pay any attention to how i play the game are probably k2, mobileuser, and loggers 14:10 i'm just gonna go back to playing. I am psyched when someone else ascends 14:13 like, i will watch someone play and they will read a scroll of light... I' ve never purposefuly done that in my life. But I don't get on the horn and say the light scroll is OP etc. 14:14 I try to learn from it, and that's that . WHy care what other people do unless you want to be the only one who can beat the hard game? 14:14 i still dont believe anything like that has happened 14:15 i think you are misperceiving something 14:15 probably 14:16 and i'f i'm responsible for a nerf and making the game harder because of an exploit or whatever, I think that's A-ok 14:16 ive never seen anyone here being anything less than enthusiastically supportive of other players' ascensions 14:16 But someone of the shit that has been changed seems SO arbitrary, and not just making the game harder. LOTS of stuff make it easier than vanilla 14:16 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:17 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 14:17 what changes make it easier than vanilla? 14:17 oh man... i don't even know where to start 14:17 try the beginning 14:18 i mean, the addition of forging made things easier for sure, which is partly why the altar nerf just happened 14:18 but i don't want to do this. I'm not bitching about the game.. IT's the ONLY game i play 14:18 and i'm grateful 14:18 but forging also made things more fun 14:18 and other changes were made to compensate for adding forging 14:19 from my perspective - forging made things more fun, but also 1) made games a bit easier and 2) made some of you addited to altar sac grinding, and that's not really 'playing' 14:19 *addicted 14:19 ok 14:19 so these latest changes are my attempt to reel in 1 and 2 14:19 but that's not an evil thing 14:20 go on nao and watch a game, You'll find someoen camping lol 14:20 while still keeping it fun 14:20 to be fair, i often liked to grind altars even before forging :-) 14:20 true 14:20 for me, grinding altars is a way to fritter when i am unhappy about my available paths of advancement in the dungeon 14:20 but not live here 14:20 *like 14:20 i'm fine with it man (the fractured alrars) I'm having a great game and welcome the change 14:21 like, no access to mr and cleared the top of the dungeon? might grind for a while 14:21 im embarassed by how many random altars ive gotten in my current game... if i wasnt a GIANT DRUID i would have forged to my heart's content 14:21 you might have better odds with a death drop 14:22 btw k2, apropros, i still think that the starting charges on the hammer are too high given its purpose 14:22 k2: i'm seriously not trying to shit on the game (or you) it's fucking awesome, and I appreciate all the time you've put in 14:22 no one said you were shitting on the game rebatela (and thanks) 14:22 like, my first two druids, there werent enough forges (or altars :-) in the game to use all those 5 charges 14:22 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6482 (1:52:11) 14:23 krm26 i had the hammer start with a few charges because scrolls of charging arent exactly easy to find 14:23 i think 3 would be more reasonable personally 14:23 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:6625 (1:52:46) 14:23 and i think an argument could be made for starting at [0] and having to charge it 14:23 charges will tend to level-gate when you can forge 14:24