00:12 -!- Loggers_IX has joined #evilhack 00:12 I lied. it's in fact drooding time 00:19 [hdf-us] [evil] fionnuala (Dru Trt Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "wand", on T:3468 (0:06:41) 00:23 [hdf-us] [evil] fionnuala (Dru Trt Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a giant hawk, on T:4486 (0:10:23) 00:38 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:2251 (0:10:31) 00:43 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3260 (0:15:20) 00:48 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:48 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 00:50 [hdf-us] [evil] fionnuala (Dru Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:16875 (0:33:35) 00:52 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 14 bronze darts on an altar, on T:4007 (0:24:21) 00:54 -!- Loggers_IX has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:55 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of gauntlets of dexterity entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:4460 (0:27:56) 00:57 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:4562 (0:30:04) 00:58 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4569 (0:30:34) 01:11 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a staff of matter entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:5425 (0:43:53) 01:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:10991 (1:37:01) 02:04 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:11 !who 02:11 K2: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-us] DragonSidedD [evil] xialg [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players 02:12 latest commits are live, you'll see 'em here in a couple minutes 02:12 gnite o/ 02:14 EvilHack Commits: Druids can't remove worn (merged) armor while in wildshape. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/51edcabbd1ddaeaae3f6818315a6fae3a5b56c12 02:14 EvilHack Commits: Fix: guard against dead monsters when various artifacts proc their ex… https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/9330f0b9f8fbbd4f9495a990998d23a89528bdaa 02:21 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Fem Law) had a pair of water walking boots entrusted to her by Lugh, on T:41877 (11:27:46) 02:53 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:53 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 03:11 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Fem Law), 225542 points, T:43084, killed by a touch of death 03:21 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 03:35 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 03:35 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 03:47 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:54 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:56 I wonder if krm26's mistletoe problem could be related to the giant-drops-boulders-in wildshape thing 04:01 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:01 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 04:03 krm26 did you find any genocide/scare monster yet? I "forced" my MR by rev geno of gray dragons in a closed 3 x 3 room 04:07 There is some grass here; eat it? [ynq] (n) hmmm 04:07 I kind of expected to only get that option as animal 04:08 or do centaurs eat grass 04:08 let's try fro science 04:09 * for SCIENCE 04:09 This grass tastes delicious! 04:09 lol 04:23 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) murdered his faithful pony, on T:6 (0:00:05) 04:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 22487 points, T:14647, killed by a magic missile, while praying 04:44 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:32 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:55 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 05:55 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 05:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful hobgoblin, on T:16 (0:00:19) 06:00 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:01 also krm26, a cracked altar could still cough up an MR cloak 06:01 altar mini-game saved ;-) 06:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:535 (0:02:30) 06:06 ab mobileuser 06:06 ab Umbire 06:12 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2008 (0:10:31) 06:29 mobileuser: giant, no mr cloak; no genocide 06:29 krm26: Message from K2 at 2025-02-10 21:25 EST: if i move your chest from that spot and try to unlock it any other place, the autounlock behaves normally. no idea why its acting that way right there in the original spot 06:30 thx for the change to removing merged gear k2! really nice 06:32 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:32 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 06:32 ah sorry, I am dumb 06:33 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:34 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 06:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 3852 points, T:4277, killed by a gnomish wizard, while frozen by a monster's gaze 06:37 yeah, just walking around hoping for an MR amulet to drop is no fun 06:44 tried making a run for baba yaga but a single tree blight is my limit, cant navigate the path 06:48 mobileuser, mind flayers in vanilla can't have their brains eaten, right? 06:48 oh I'm extremely wrong, just tested 06:49 but yeah I'm trying to figure out where `defends(AD_DRIN, uwep)` would come up 06:49 yes I was going to say they can have their brains eaten 06:50 that's why it's cannibalism when you attack an mf as mf 06:50 suppose I'll ask terrapin when he next shows up 06:52 !tell terrapin brain-eating attacks check for `defends(AD_DRIN, uwep)` against the hero in vanilla - where would something like this potentially come up, be it hypothetical or otherwise? 06:52 terrapin shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, Umbire. 06:58 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:58 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 07:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1226 (0:06:01) 07:27 errmahgerd 07:27 'lo K2 07:28 may have found a vanilla bug of sorts 07:28 i forgot the upolyd bit for eating grass 07:29 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/issues/1378 07:32 heh 07:32 tasty! 07:48 i fixed the grass thing 07:48 BUT 07:48 omnivores can still eat grass 07:48 because omnivore is both carnivore and herbivore 07:49 it doesnt feel right eating grass as a cave bear 07:49 i need to narrow this down a bit 07:49 bbl 07:49 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Dru Cen Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:29939 (20:11:51) 07:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism by consulting with the dwarven priest of Thoth, on T:5338 (0:31:29) 07:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:5704 (0:35:33) 08:03 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Intelligence_drain bwoop 08:04 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 08:08 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 08:09 does this mean no more eating food rations as a stag? 08:14 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:55759 (14:03:15) 08:20 need to do more detailing for the hero/pet but I like what I've got 08:27 k2, is there a reason you dont let entangle reapply before the target is unentangled? just curious 08:30 too OP 08:30 with enough spell power you could immobilize a target indefinitely 08:32 ok I now have non-stacking blank paper 08:32 unplayable 08:32 delete 08:32 I know right 08:32 #quit 08:32 :( 08:32 <@Loggers_VIII> I had non-stacking blessed ID last game 08:33 ? i dont understand how that let you immobilize any more -- wasnt talking about effect being additive, just reapplied-as-if-fresh, instead of having to wait until the proper turn 08:34 so the only thing it would effect is syncing multiple mobs standing in a row 08:37 dammit 08:38 there is just no way to get released by a tree blight is there 08:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Dru Cen Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:30747 (20:50:19) 08:39 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:458 (0:03:02) 08:46 <@Loggers_VIII> krm26: I had to use a tele wand to get one off me when it caught me with my pants down 08:47 <@Loggers_VIII> they’re easy to avoid but if you don’t you can be in a pickle 08:47 i never seen to have warning when i have to deal with them 08:47 warning makes them tolerable 08:48 <@Loggers_VIII> play tortle :D 08:48 with the new mounds + blights, i kind of think there needs to be something like a tin opener that is a fire starter, which can make veggies release you/ expel you, maybe burn the grass in your square for some reason.... 08:48 to function a bit like a bugle for the drood grabbers/engulfers 08:49 <--- serious suggestion k2, some mickey mouse tin-opener-frequency tool, just to provide an occasional countermechanic 08:49 alternately, apply grease to squeeze out of a blight/owlbear/minotaur grab :-) 08:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1877 (0:09:04) 08:52 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) had a mace entrusted to her by Silvanus, on T:58029 (14:41:01) 08:54 the same methods and strategies to get out of/avoid holding attacks from other monsters works with tree blights. they arent special 08:54 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Holding_attack 08:54 no need to make something special just for them 08:54 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) had a toque entrusted to her by Silvanus, on T:58398 (14:43:25) 08:54 OILSKIN TOQUE 08:54 you finally came through silvanus, thank you sincerely 08:55 was it? 08:55 hah 08:55 bet it is fireproof too 08:55 gifts should always be erosion-proofed 08:55 thats the first good gift ive gotten this game! 08:56 and picked up a wand of create monster, so i can return to the druid quest altar and try to get a bad artifact out of it...not too late for magicbane 08:56 i WILL NOT DIE 08:56 and i still owe neferet 08:56 been farming boulders with a peaceful umber hulk, wonder if with 60 i can power through that asshole's healing 09:00 on average that'd dish out 600 hp of damage 09:00 if you toss all of them 09:01 he is healing every round, so i am not anywhere close to killing him 09:01 just dumped 40 at him 09:02 yup, once he drops down to 30-40 hp he heals every round to stay at that level, according to my wand of probing 09:02 infinite mana must be nice 09:02 <@Loggers_VIII> K2: can’t scare tree blight to get them to release you 09:02 <@Loggers_VIII> I think so, anyway 09:03 yeah in my experience trees dont scare 09:03 same with assassin vines 09:03 i like the @npcs and quest leaders being tough but im not sure im a huge fan of infinite casting 09:04 oh well, so much for that attempt on neferets life 09:05 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to her by Silvanus, on T:58938 (14:54:35) 09:06 well yeah they are mindless 09:06 grease baby, grease 09:06 and neferet is female 09:06 yeah, that is the issue i am having with neferet, misgendering 09:10 -!- Loggers_IX has joined #evilhack 09:10 I also really dislike the way high-level casters can turn into a straight "out damage my healing" check 09:11 player healing has always been pretty inferior, im used to that 09:11 but having poor damage output as a player, so frustrating, in SO many different ways 09:11 makes you wanna just scrap the run for a monk or a valk :-) 09:12 who's fault is that at nearly 60k turns in? :) 09:12 druid just kinda has bad offense generally 09:12 aside from wildshape in the early game and some of the midgame 09:13 weapon skills are really not good and no attack spell skill :( 09:13 man id kill for an unskilled magic missile 09:14 did you just say the crappy shape of my run at 60k turns is my FAULT k2? 09:14 partitally yes 09:14 it is the fault of SOME k 09:14 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3759 (0:42:04) 09:14 I mean what would you do in his situation lol 09:14 i'd dive to castle and die probably 09:15 ive survived two touch of death situations that could easily have killed me so far just by dumb luck 09:16 so, the druid altar is only vagguueely an altar, given that 95% of the stuff that generates on the level is unsacrificable 09:16 yeah, that altar is useless for sacrifice 09:16 it will take me longer trying to sacrifice here than it would to get a wish from the oracle 09:17 hah 09:17 i give you what you asked for, still complain 09:17 all skeletons and blights 09:17 i give you what you asked for, still complain 09:17 i dont think it would be out of line for the first oracle to quest level to generate a woodland creature 10% of the time 09:18 i wanna add werefoo to druid quest 09:18 stated that awhile back 09:18 but to be fair, we complained about the inequity between classes for sacrifice altars -- adding this druid altar does, in my opinion, not address that 09:18 so youve fixed the problem for all-roles-but-druids 09:19 yeah I mean just try and sac at that altar it really is quite silly 09:19 adding werefoo would fix it 09:20 ok, so, i dont know where to go from here. i have no idea what else i can try with neferet; i cant progress deeper into my quest, but even if i could, the bracers dont solve anything for me; the deeper i go the more i expose myself to potential mrless-death 09:20 i guess i'll just keep diving 09:22 I find druid is very prone to reaching a "what the hell do I even do here" state in the midgame where you're not strong enough to do anything in any direction 09:22 i'll qualify this with minor self-deprecation by saying i'm bad 09:22 but I do think it exists 09:23 werebane being the first gift really doesn't help. that makes the role actively less powerful 09:23 i was in the same situation my previous two ascensions, but not for nearly this long...you just keep gently pushing at each avenue (quest, mines, sokoban, main dungeon) 09:23 that's worse than them just not having a guaranteed first gift 09:23 werebane is definitely worse than random gift 09:24 but it makes sense for the role i think the way k2 has designed it 09:24 yeah I mean I guess if the intention is for them to be quite weak when it comes to melee weapons it makes sense 09:24 all of the problems ive been having are greatly exacerbated by not being able to force artifacts 09:24 I think pushing third tier all the way to level 14 was a little sad 09:25 speaking of! just hit 14 from experience, i can try some new strats now! 09:25 saber-toothed tiger is good enough for the quest in my experience 09:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 6885 points, T:8918, killed by a chameleon imitating a minotaur 09:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:452 (0:01:55) 09:34 yeah saber-toothed tiger clear winner at that tier 09:35 better speed and damage than cave bear, plus infravision 09:35 ent damage would be great if they werent as fast as a rock 09:35 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping an uncursed +2 spear on an altar, on T:5620 (1:02:55) 09:36 i wish druids had a mr form at 14 :-) 09:37 ents are definitely bad. there's just too many things that can happen to fuck you up in a single turn 09:37 but saber-toothed tiger wont help me with the quest much, still no healing, still no mr 09:37 they hurt things fast but after soaking up a bit of damage, their natural healing is nonexistant 09:38 one thing I've been bemoaning very often lately is that spellcasters seem to be balanced with the assumption that certain spells are available 09:38 when they just can be yknow 09:39 not 09:39 magic missile is a critical crutch spell that i never seen to get on any run 09:39 wish casters had a much higher spellbook probability for gifts 09:39 I haven't seen magic missile in years 09:39 much much higher 09:40 I wish so many of the spellbooks weren't useless garbage polluting the pool 09:41 also, "useless garbage" isn't just a bad spell. for half the casting roles, spells like acid blast and lightning are useless garbage 09:41 for 95% of the game, anyway :P 09:42 every time my druid gets one of the 20 varieties of high-level attack spell instead of just stoneskin or create trees an angel loses its wings 09:43 EvilHack Commits: Fix: players eating grass. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/4c48a76b1e7aba7ac6f84b4c1b69a4898c2292be 09:43 I have had great AC with barkskin and some good armor in the early game and a "crappy" weapon 09:44 I just kept beating everyone with the crappy weapon 09:44 I feel like a possible direction to go is possibly giving druid a bonus to writing evocation spellbooks 09:44 no 09:44 yeah the early game for druid is really easy especially if you have barkskin 09:44 wildshape into giant hawk, once you get level 8 turn into pseudodragon, profit 09:44 druids (not any spellcasting class for that matter) needs help with writing spellbooks 09:44 not something I'm wedded to and of course K2 shot it down in the middle of me typing, but in general you might benefit from blanking and attempting to write certain books 09:44 *nor 09:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1530 (0:20:15) 09:45 what? the only role with a bonus to writing is wiz k2 09:45 a druid trying to write a book may as well be a barb 09:46 ok 09:46 that's what wizards do, it's their thing 09:46 I think at max luck it's 1/3 chance of success, no one is going to waste ink on that 09:47 druids are considered primary casters for altar sacrifiing, they have a higher chance of being gifted a spellbook 09:47 iunno, if it means having a reliable spell on hand then it might sometimes be worth 09:47 absolutely not, ink is way too valuable in evil 09:48 maybe if you could poly for markers or get them randomly 09:48 but a marker is most often a wish 09:48 you have several chances to get a marker randomly 09:48 yeab but it's not random random and the odds of getting more than 1 from those locations are very low 09:48 you know what I mean 09:49 you keep arguring like you think this game should be easier. not going to happen 09:49 me when I totally misconstrue someone else's words for no reason 09:50 alright let's not start talking past each other again 09:50 you can tell yourself that I'm just evil loggers who wants evilhack to be easy all you want i guess 09:50 yes you are misconstruing my words :0 marker odds at soko if 50/50 09:50 *is 09:50 to be fair, you usually need to take the amulet option there 09:51 K2 I really don't think Loggers is even arguing for the game to be easier as such even if it comes off that way 09:51 he was not arguing for more markers 09:51 tool is often not the best choice, sokoban is a special case and assuming that means 50/50 chance of marker there is 50/50 chance of marker every game is flagrantly silly 09:51 he was just saying that ink is valuable 09:52 the complaining i'm seeing again today is 'make this change so the game is easier for me to win' <--- not marker/ink specific, just all around 09:52 Loggers_IX you have to understand that there are other options for helping a druid with spellcasting early on that you aren't giving as much consideration 09:52 or might not be, idk I don't go here as much wrt playing lately 09:52 I'm just trying to bridge an evident gap here 09:52 I have played a lot of druid 09:52 like a lot 09:53 i value everyones feedback and contrsutive critizism, but when it devolves into just complaint after complaint, human nature makes me want to just filter it all out and not pay attention to any of it 09:53 I have seen stoneskin twice :P 09:53 and that hurts all of us 09:53 the man wants to use the DRUID SPELLS when he's playing DRUID 09:54 i'm not even going to entertain a response to that 09:55 right it's very unreasonable I know 09:55 mmm, perhaps approach this from another angle 09:55 what other casting skills do druids have? 09:55 83 commits pertaining to druid. most of those based on player feedback 09:55 but wtf do I know 09:56 umbire: all aside from div/attack iirc 09:59 and the flaming/freezing sphere spells are available in evil iirc 09:59 what skill are those, matter? 09:59 unfortunately 09:59 both level 2 matter 09:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) rejected atheism by offering a black fungus corpse on an altar of Venus, on T:3054 (0:26:42) 09:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) had a wooden scale mail entrusted to her by Venus, on T:3054 (0:26:42) 10:00 ain't ideal far as direct damage esp. with explosions possibly burning trees for flaming spheres 10:00 it's not nothing though 10:00 what else, lemme think... 10:00 this once again is riding on the assumption that you just have these spells 10:02 also, those spells are terrible 10:02 I'm not saying you will necessarily and that is something else to consider, I'm just mulling over options 10:02 I have tried playing with them so many times because I think they're kinda cool 10:02 they're so so so bad lol 10:03 I assume you keep attack wands on hand for various things 10:03 attack wand my beloved 10:03 *wands 10:04 a taste of offense in the hand of weak roles 10:05 how does druid compare to healer to you offensively? 10:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Koeranen's ghost, the former Trailblazer, on T:2807 (0:40:24) 10:06 mobileuser: druid is a lot better for the very start 10:06 but healer has obvious defensive/restorative power that makes up for it in strides 10:06 healer actually has good weapon skills, so they don't stay weak for very long actually 10:07 but druid has its own defensive skills 10:07 and their first artifact will be likely something good if you keep with your starting alignment (mjollnir/magicbane/cleaver/etc) 10:07 ugh brb 10:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 7523 points, T:4238, killed by a stag 10:07 mobileuser: barkskin is wonderful but only 1/3 of druids will start with it and i'd argue it's not even as good as healing 10:08 but I can see arguments either way 10:09 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:09 but especially a tortle healer will have good AC, good healing potential, and gets skilled in trident which is a great weapon and easy to forge 10:10 I don't know. I'm still on my first druid game and I had good RNG, but it doesn't seem like a weak role to me 10:10 I would say druid leaps ahead for a brief period after they hit level 9 and level 14 respectively, but you get the powerful forms from those tiers (ancient pseudodragon, saber-toothed) late enough that the time in which they are dominant is quite short 10:11 centaur + barkskin make it more manageable 10:12 barkskin really is amazing 10:12 and magic whistle and some cavebear pets 10:12 have you found any ents on the quest? when they grow up they're really great pets 10:12 not having a magic whistle has made not having mr twice as bad, certainly 10:12 yeah I tamed one, but I'm at the stage where pets are more of a hindrance 10:13 so I left them all in the forest :-) 10:13 a few elder ent pets totally carried me through ice queen's realm on one of my games 10:13 i do have "thoughts" on primary caster role druid which gets a saber as their mandatory first sacrifice gift and then is likely to get 4 more non-artifact scimatars for every spellbook for future sacrificing :-) 10:13 though that was a very sad tortle with no good offense 10:14 what happens to sacrifice gift odds for roles/races with restrictions? i.e. tortle can only wear a few pieces of gear, does that just make getting junk weapons much more common, or is there like an "armor chance" vs "weapon chance" 10:14 i guess i can go look 10:15 I think it's the same odds of armor vs weapon 10:15 the gift weapons will be proofed and enchanted, still helpful early game 10:15 tortles get a lot of helmets and gloves 10:15 krm26: I mean, the first mundane saber is guaranteed more helpful than the artifact so :P 10:16 you may even get one with an object property 10:16 I got a wood scimitar of shock once it was so cool 10:16 see :-) 10:16 would you hate the autowerebane less if it came with a little enchantment, loggers? 10:17 yeah honestly make all the banes use the same enchantment logic as mundane weapons 10:17 well that's something I have been thinking too 10:17 I wouldn't hate werebane less, but I would hate receiving it less 10:17 gave them +3 or something 10:17 * give 10:17 i kinda think that spellcaster roles (priest healer wizard infidel drood) should get a "bonus chance" at spellbook sacrifice gifts that erodes with each spellbook gift 10:18 I have this silly idea where artifact weapons should do something cool 10:18 like, 25% chance it is just a spellbook; then 15%; then 5%; then 0% 10:18 uhm they already have a higher chance at spellbooks? 10:18 not high enough!! 10:18 lol 10:18 (not high enough :-) 10:18 :v 10:18 but i mean specifically a frontloaded additional chance 10:18 it really isn't though 10:18 you are usually the "make the game harder" please crowd ;-) 10:19 as has been noted previously 10:19 you see this is why krm26 and I are mortal enemies and not similar at all, because he wants the game harder and I want it to be easy 10:20 i want the game hard/fun 10:20 everything else aside I really don't think the blistering sarcasm approach is winning anyone any points overall here 10:20 blistering sarcasm is all I know 10:20 sometimes reasonable adults differ on if things belong on the fun/unfun or easy/hard axis tho 10:20 that is true 10:21 I think at least the easy/hard axis is pretty ez to come to consensus on 10:21 even that... 10:21 ...actually I remember thinking purgatory was easier than others 10:21 since I am more of a defense guy than offense 10:22 also consider that we should want development to remain fun as well 10:23 heh mobileuser I guess that might be why you're having a decently smooth druid experience 10:23 heh possibly 10:24 I did want to bring up that maybe you're also approaching the role in a counterintuitive way but wasn't sure how that might be received 10:24 I'm a "kill guys faster" > "die slower" kind of guy 10:25 umbire: ok but like how lol 10:25 I feel bad for having a large stack of druid spellbooks I haven't even read yet :-P 10:25 key word being "maybe" 10:25 also you more or less just outlined it for me 10:25 I use wildshape a lot 10:25 though you preferring "kill faster" > "die slower" is pretty easily observable 10:25 and it's not like I even have defensive options often as druid 10:25 god save a druid who starts with create grass 10:26 i did 10:26 twice 10:26 mobileuser: I've actually been begging my rng for just one of those for so many games :P 10:26 1st asc and this one 10:26 yeah, that's why I feel bad 10:26 hehehe you are a good example then krm26 10:27 create grass taking 15 pw is so funny 10:31 joyous day: after 12k turns, my druid has managed to fill every eligible tile on a single dungeon level with grass 10:32 I got bored of actually playing the druid early game so I am inventing sidequests 10:32 fear be to any monster who dares spawn on this level of perpetual +2 damage to wooden weapons and very slightly better HP Regen... 10:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible lacca's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:8655 (2:00:56) 10:33 17k turns, actually... 10:34 now eat all the grass 10:35 can I do that now? 10:35 yeah 10:36 I wish create grass was just a static range 10:36 filling in these last squares is quite irritating 10:37 though the spell isn't designed for this, of course :) 10:39 [hdf-us] [evil] fionnuala (Dru Trt Fem Neu), 10079 points, T:21358, died of starvation, while frozen by a monster's gaze 10:39 once it became clear that I was gonna just forget create grass anyway, I lost interest in the idea 10:40 I wish the spell retention thing was a little nicer, i spent that game casting create grass at quite literally every opportunity and still was gonna forget it in like 25k turns or so :( 10:41 omg healing on level one 10:41 I win 10:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Dru Cen Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:32292 (21:38:33) 10:45 [hdf-us] [evil] fionnuala (Dru Cen Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1779 (0:05:08) 10:50 inb4 gnome with wand of fire or something 10:53 [hdf-us] [evil] fionnuala (Dru Cen Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2483 (0:08:40) 10:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Koeranen's ghost, the former Trailblazer, on T:3228 (1:00:40) 10:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a magical mithril runed dagger named Sting on an altar, on T:3245 (1:01:25) 10:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:3248 (1:01:55) 10:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 5730 points, T:3412, killed by a giant beetle 11:00 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:09 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11333 (2:37:00) 11:11 -!- Loggers_IX has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:18 [hdf-us] [evil] fionnuala (Dru Cen Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:3075 (0:13:22) 11:19 [hdf-us] [evil] fionnuala (Dru Cen Fem Neu) had a cloak of invisibility entrusted to her by Silvanus, on T:3120 (0:13:54) 11:27 i wonder what my god will think when i continually summon and murder woodland animals to sacrifice to him on his stupid quest altar 11:35 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:35 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 11:41 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) killed Baba Yaga, on T:61710 (16:28:08) 11:42 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:61711 (16:28:13) 12:03 well, that is done, but alas it doesnt really help me :-P the liches are coming for me 12:08 summon elemental! i dont suppose these guys are high enough level to kill neferet for me 12:23 wow, lots of hp, but so low level. ah well 12:24 im not sure i'll really ever use this spell, but it would be cool if the elementals you summoned spawned with the telepathy intrinsic so you could keep track of them 12:26 k2: gas spore explosions, should they burn up some grass? 12:28 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) had a bone saber entrusted to her by Silvanus, on T:64770 (17:14:21) 12:29 They're not fiery so I imagine no 12:29 arent gas spore explosions fiery explosions? 12:29 No 12:33 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 12:35 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide jumping boots", on T:83468 (1 day, 23:55:26) 12:37 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 27666 points, T:12655, killed by drinking molten lava 12:40 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) had a scimitar entrusted to her by Silvanus, on T:65569 (17:26:51) 12:41 always a scimitar 12:41 11 scimitars, 1 spellbook of cancellation...one day i'll get a spell i can use tho, one day 12:55 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:1502 (0:18:06) 13:07 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:07 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 13:14 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3506 (0:36:23) 13:15 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:13789 (2:06:43) 13:16 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:20 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3869 (0:43:06) 13:23 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:14321 (2:14:25) 13:23