00:07 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a magical perforated amulet on an altar, on T:3138 (0:23:04) 00:13 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 5184 points, T:3434, killed by a fire ant 00:20 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha), 8912 points, T:7105, suffocated by a creeping mound 00:22 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 879 points, T:1251, killed by the Goblin King 00:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Arch (Dru Hum Fem Neu) killed Baba Yaga, on T:55668 (19:06:54) 00:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Arch (Dru Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:55669 (19:07:01) 00:29 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1500 (0:07:14) 00:31 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:32 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 00:38 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3659 points, T:2954, killed by a piranha 00:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Arch (Dru Hum Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:56592 (19:19:59) 00:58 -!- Arch has joined #evilhack 00:58 how's the druid game going Arch? 01:01 Hey. 01:01 Hello Arch, Welcome to #evilhack 01:01 Trials and tribulations. 01:01 Finally starting to feel more powerful and less squishy. 01:02 :) 01:02 YANI: druid ability. They have knowledge of nature and trees and trees are sacred, right?  'k'icking trees and/or(?)  'l'ooking at tress will tell you their current state. 01:02 If bees are still in there: "You see a bee's nest." 01:02 If fruit remains: "You see low hanging fruit." 01:02  If it is devoid of everything: "This tree looks barrn." 01:02 oh that's interesting 01:02 ^barren 01:02 a minor thing to be sure, but seems very Druid-y 01:03 yeah 01:03 not sure if it is SMOP 01:03 maybe. worth looking into though 01:03 just with all the gathering of fruit, it can be difficult to know what is 'k'icked or not. 01:04 hell, in vanilla I used to take screenshots and an map it out in Photoshop what was what, so I was nbot kicking the same trees! 01:04 ha. 01:04 heheh 01:04 of course in vanilla trees are VERY limited. 01:04 uised to be anyways 01:04 looking at the code, when you kick a tree, it picks a tree fruit at random 01:04 did they add more trees? (vanilla) 01:05 i dont think so 01:06 well, if neither a bee or fruit has been produced, it would say something like "This tree looks full of life!" 01:06 so it wouldnt be too difficult to show the tree as having 'low-hanging fruit', but specifying the exact type, i dunno 01:06 yeah, and keeping you knight mount alive cane be tough (in vanilla) 01:06 oh yeah 01:06 I was not expecting it to say what fruit.... just what the kick-status was 01:06 something else a few of us were discussing - allowing tame herbivore pets to eat grass 01:07 oh, I know, and was thinking the very same while playing Hack'EM. 01:07 could be neat to have two differnt states of grass 01:07 alive, well 01:07 and eaten, brown, dead 01:07 grass isn't an object in the traditional sense though, it's a terrain feature. so not quite sure how to go about it 01:08 but, i wanna do it 01:08 so will figure it out 01:08 add more utility to 'create grass' spell 01:08 yeah 01:09 you having fun playing druid though? 01:09 and once grass is brown/dead for being eaten it cannot be cast on again as green, healthy grass 01:09 ^from being eaten 01:09 (just so there is some balance) 01:09 oh evilhack doesnt have dead grass. it's either there or it isnt 01:10 druid is like a dream role for me. 01:10 awesome 01:10 love playing druid, or roles like it,  in other roguelikes. 01:10 also: bard. 01:10 i love druid too, i used to play as a druid back when i played penicl and paper ad&d, and everquest 01:10 But, I know, that will not happen. 01:10 I like challenge/squishy roles 01:10 * K2 nods 01:11 start squishy, but becomes powerful 01:11 like a wizard 01:11 aye, but wizard is not that "squishy" to me 01:11 especially with force bolt buff 01:11 yeah 01:11 just low hp generation though 01:11 even before, I always wondered why so many considered them squishy 01:12 are you taking advantage of #wildshape? 01:12 quarterstaff and dagger skill to expert (used to anyways) and then force bolt in a tough spot/pinch 01:13 plus, even with martial roles I still tend to avoid heavy/metal armors when I can 01:13 I did use it early, a lot 01:13 have not really used it for the past 15-20,000 turns 01:14 tried to use it once situationally and typoed and accidentally became a lizard 01:14 oh no lol 01:15 dont know if you're aware, but there's a very recent change in regards to mistletoe in open inventory and power regen 01:15 hello person 01:15 was hoping an ent could pick up an adult naga for pet resistance 01:15 I think one of the choices for wildshape should be "a - human" (or starting race) 01:16 would help newcomers with how it works 01:16 you can already pop back to normal shape at will iirc 01:16 just use #wildshape again if you want to revert back manually 01:16 sure, suree 01:16 I know that. 01:16 ah 01:16 yeah and 'ESC' nbow exits. 01:16 yup 01:17 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:17 mistletoe bit - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/8f0283929a1cacd7731de7212cf9c48948c96226 01:18 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 01:18 been wanting to take advantage of wildshape more, but wanted to get some of the key life saving components out of the way first. 01:18 makes sense 01:19 when you reach lvl 20, the final tier of shapes will open up. should be fun 01:19 instead of experimenting with it and dying to an unknown situtation and not have a way to remedy it. 01:19 For one -- one VERY recently starting getting any way to heal myself 01:20 have found no spellbooks and NO potions 01:20 damn RNG 01:20 my final tie already opened up 01:20 was there before that commit 01:20 gotcha 01:20 ^tier 01:21 I figured your hint about mistletoe would be something..... was thinking maybe it would be eating them 01:21 eat one MP restores double/whatever for 2d20 turns 01:22 I went through kicking quest trees for my 9. 01:22 currently, eating mistletoe will cure hallucination 01:22 good early game thing 01:23 then superseded by the obvious. 01:23 yup 01:23 i'm glad you're enjoying it so far 01:23 so you hold on for MP gain instead 01:23 sensible 01:23 molds can be a nice way to get posion resist, but damn that hullicantion 01:23 ^halluciantion 01:24 i need to get to bed, nodding off 01:24 I can spell, I swaer! 01:24 ha 01:24 i am a horrible typist hah 01:24 I prefer red/brown pairings 01:24 yeah... finger never go where I want them to 01:24 alright gnite all. have fun! 01:24 there's a political joke in there but I'd rather not 01:24 night K2! 01:24 of course! I get excited when I see red/brown/shrieker. 01:25 shrieker less so just because of the worm thing 01:25 night 01:29 it's a 1/130 but reasonable, honestly 01:29 YANI: finger of death should kill plant life and abuse druid alignment (if not blight/bad vegetation!). 01:29 in all my years of playing, it has happened a few times. 01:29 evenb once while playing a wizard with a starting scroll of taming once! 01:29 that was fun. 01:30 (worm/shrieking thing) 01:46 basically just requires a check for the death ray in zap.c or something like that I imagine 01:46 where it just has to kill trees it bounces off of 02:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Arch (Dru Hum Fem Neu) had a mithril quarterstaff entrusted to her by Silvanus, on T:57701 (20:42:12) 02:12 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (silver.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 02:12 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:25 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:26 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 02:37 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping 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does not work with autounlock on purpose. see https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/pickup.c#L1798-L1803 05:58 "don't give that away by suggesting them" By that logic, it should offer to unlock once you have discovered you can 05:59 I guess I could have just left a magic key in open inventory 06:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:393 (0:01:56) 06:20 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:20 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 06:21 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:52 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 07:24 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 4765 points, T:2431, killed by a skeleton 07:45 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 07:46 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4001 (0:21:26) 07:56 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4601 (0:31:21) 08:00 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:5331 (0:35:47) 08:05 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:5968 (0:40:26) 08:09 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a stag, on T:3370 (0:43:02) 08:20 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:20 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 08:37 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 15731 points, T:9847, killed by a Green-elf, while paralyzed by a monster 08:38 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 08:39 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:5579 (1:13:25) 08:44 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 08:47 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 08:56 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:6269 (1:30:11) 09:03 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 3723 points, T:3996, killed by a dwarf lady 09:12 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:12 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 09:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:23083 (12:59:13) 09:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Rog Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:23084 (12:59:19) 09:36 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 68 points, T:221, killed by a water elemental 09:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Rog Dro Fem Cha) completed her quest without incident, on T:23589 (13:07:21) 09:43 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:7308 (0:39:38) 09:45 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:7418 (0:41:13) 09:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1155 (0:06:10) 09:51 k2, just had a goblin king with all-bars, no-doors, barred trap door -- lizarded my way through it :-) 09:51 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:54 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:54 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 09:57 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:10306 (0:53:20) 09:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1496 points, T:2783, quit 10:02 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "bob", on T:10736 (0:58:21) 10:05 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3350 (0:29:15) 10:06 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:3599 (0:30:37) 10:21 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:4804 (0:45:11) 10:25 damnnnn someone left me a lot of keystone cops in minetown 10:25 why are they made at ME 10:25 doublebones 10:29 wtf 37 keystone cops, 2 captains, 3 lieutenants, and one of the ghosts doesnt show up in hardfought userdata 10:30 ghost from a bottle perhaps? 10:32 wasnt there when the first guy died but maybe, i think it is a generic ghost name now that you mention it 10:32 in fact, when the first guy died there were 2 cops, not 37 10:32 which is why i assumed the other ghost was real 10:33 but yeah, looking at the dump details, looks like he died cuz a ghost paralyzed him 10:33 not sure why the bonus 30 kops 10:34 as for why the kops are mad at you, I bet the guy prophesied with his last breath that there will come a warrior named krm26 who will take his stuff and use it to ruin minetown 10:35 damn prophecies always biting me in the ass 10:35 lizard ftw \o/ 10:36 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:36 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 10:36 I bet the goblin king also tried to slay you with a cockatrice corpse, but uh-oh, lizard 10:36 !who 10:36 K2: [hdf-us] dbanethacker [evil] elron [evil] krm26 [evil] Snuff [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 10:38 updates from last night are now live 10:38 if playing, save/reload to get them 10:40 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 7659 points, T:6214, poisoned by a vampire bat 10:50 weird, in addition to the huge post-bones flood of kops, the player inventory is gone 10:51 ugh i think the shopkeeper went and collected it and took it back to his shop 10:51 just great 10:54 the great krm26 shopkeeper massacre of 2025 10:55 this level has been very difficult and very unrewarding, plus he converted the altar so im being flood with ghosts i cant kill 10:55 will unenchanted unihorns hit ghosts? can i hit ghosts as a gray unicorn? 10:56 yeah its bone 10:57 ok, so if only i could connect :-) 11:00 it irritates me that the kops can blast the crap out of a shopkeeper while shooting at me and the shopkeeper just doesnt care 11:00 shooting? 11:00 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "Lilje", on T:4761 (1:14:38) 11:00 they have rubber hoses and cream pies 11:03 they have wands 11:04 from the dead jerk who mucked up this level 11:04 and the shopkeeper also wont stand aside to let me leave the shop 11:04 he is behaving as if i have a debt to him 11:05 which is too bad, because that means game over for me, ive got no way out short of death :-/ 11:06 yeah something is f'd up with his ai 11:07 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of magic resistance, on T:17522 (1:58:39) 11:09 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 53066 points, T:17638, suffocated by a gelatinous cube 11:11 shopkeeper ai powered by chatgpt 11:11 every time it wants to make a move it sends a query describing the situation and asking what it should do next 11:12 k2, im gonna save and leave this here for a bit in case you want to take a look at the shopkeeper ai. i'll kill myself when i get back 11:17 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:5880 (1:31:44) 11:26 i have no clue why the shopkeeper wont move 11:27 i tried killing off all your pets in the shop to see if that made a difference (it did not) 11:27 you're going to either have to tele/dig your way out, or kill the shopkeeper 11:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1774 (0:10:05) 11:59 debug it and step through shk_move? 12:00 I know there were a few instances of shopkeepers not moving off the doorway that were fixed in 3.7. some were themed room related but some weren't 12:00 is the shk hasted? 12:10 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:11 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2892 (0:15:57) 12:12 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3022 (0:16:53) 12:17 -!- Tangles has joined #evilhack 12:19 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:24 aosdict no i checked that 12:24 i just got back from getting a neighbors car unstuck from a snow bank hah 12:25 (no i did not spend an entire hour doing that) 12:26 so without looking at the code, i.e. worth nothing, i will note this shopkeeper apparently left his shop, went to the bones of the player who robbed him, took all his stuff, and went back to his shop all before i was involved 12:26 i am really curious how the bones logic generated 30 additional kops 12:27 this was the snapshot on death: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/karibou/evilhack/dumplog/1738890822.evil.html 12:27 but when i entered the level, the entire eastern section was jammed full of kops 12:28 huh 12:30 krm26: I think they were there already, but not in range of the esp amulet 12:30 oh, you know, i always forget that the bones snapshot is just what he can see :-) you are probably right 12:30 i didnt think theft generated more than 1 kaptain but i guess im wrong 12:31 i assume that attacking a *trice in wildshape stones you irregardless of melded whathaveyou? every time i see one i have to unwildshape in panic 12:33 probably, i'm kinda surprised i didnt test that specifically 12:34 i will 12:46 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:46 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 12:48 converted temples are a real pain in the ass for druids, every ghost requires leaving wildshape 12:50 -!- elenmirie 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<@Loggers_VIII> it’s good but past castle I don’t really wanna wildshape anyway, a highly enchanted artifact is better for offense 13:17 <@Loggers_VIII> Pegasus and elder ent can be good though 13:17 there's also mastodon now 13:17 <@Loggers_VIII> oh right 13:17 <@Loggers_VIII> @e?mastodon 13:17 mastodon (q) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 22 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 5 | Atk: 4d8 butt physical, 4d8 butt knockback, 1d6 hug physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, herbivore, thick hide, infravis 13:17 YOU may not want to mess with wildshape late game, but others will (and do) 13:18 <@Loggers_VIII> I mean if they want to play suboptimally that’s fine 13:18 <@Loggers_VIII> I am bad at the game and so need every advantage lol 13:18 <@Loggers_VIII> mastodon might be worth it though 13:18 <@Loggers_VIII> the bad thing about ent is the speed of course 13:19 <@Loggers_VIII> mastodon has same speed as untasted player 13:19 how often do you taste players 13:19 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<@Loggers_VIII> *got, not good 13:22 <@Loggers_VIII> why would I want to say that autocorrect 13:23 would you rather have bad food poisoning? 13:23 didn't think so 13:24 doh master lichmeleon 13:25 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Trt Fem Neu), 25314 points, T:12861, killed by a leocrotta 13:27 :/ 13:27 almost survived 13:27 not a big loss though 13:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed mithril amulet of magic resistance", on T:341 (0:03:54) 13:30 elron only survived astral by switching to pegasus @Loggers_VIII 13:30 bonus! 13:30 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 380 points, T:1154, killed by a mountain dwarf 13:31 that was a nail-biting astral 13:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 45 points, T:47, killed by a water demon 13:32 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 5 points, T:101, killed by a water moccasin 13:33 <@Loggers_VIII> for what, speed? or HP 13:33 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:33 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu), 213 points, T:827, killed by a water moccasin 13:33 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 13:33 you'd think id stop quaffing from fountains after getting a wish, but no :-) 13:34 I don't know why pegasus was so good, I am still a drood noob 13:34 <@Loggers_VIII> you ought to dip instead, no strength damage or curse items 13:34 krm26 your game was double bones I see now 13:35 what is the negative response on dipping? when i quaff and i get anything but a wish or the tasty message i know the fountain is a bust 13:36 <@Loggers_VIII> mobileuser: the only thing a Pegasus realistically has over an endgame character is a slight speed/AC increase and flight, but when you wildshape it’s a full heal so I could see utility for an emergency wildshape if elron was low on HP 13:36 <@Loggers_VIII> krm26: oh, if you’re looking for magic fountains quaff cuz there’s no way to discern that with dipping 13:36 yeah he was stuck at the second altar basically being destroyed again as soon as he healed up 13:37 <@Loggers_VIII> but also if you quaff magic fountains early and get the attribute bonus it’s just 1 stat, as opposed to all of them if you waited till you had better luck 13:38 all i care about is if i get a wish cuz im just looking for something interesting to happen so i dont kill myself 13:40 <@Loggers_VIII> ah yeah if you don’t care about whether fountain is magic or not dipping is the way to go 13:46 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:47 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 13:52 argh stupid cave bear attacked the oracle 13:53 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 13:57 get the spray bottle 13:57 bad cave bear, bad! 13:57 *spray spray spray* 13:59 too late, dead now of course :-( 14:01 you'll find another one to not take care of let get killed by the oracle :) 14:01 and yeah elron's last asc was *epic* 14:02 heh "An altar to Silvanus, some fountain, some tree, some grass" 14:03 that is some fountain, and look at that tree! 14:03 hah 14:03 brb 14:09 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 904 points, T:1433, killed by the Goblin King, while praying 14:17 <@Loggers_VIII> hm, got splunge’s saber-tooth bones 14:18 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:18 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 14:18 <@Loggers_VIII> whoa, elven boots of shock resistance!! what’s the odds of that? 14:27 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:3615 (0:17:37) 14:27 k2: i have two different bronze rings! found in a bones. 14:27 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) performed his first genocide (shocking spheres), on T:3705 (0:18:17) 14:28 <@Loggers_VIII> why can I not cast as a stag? 14:28 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4824 (0:34:05) 14:30 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:5132 (0:35:56) 14:31 <@Loggers_VIII> …like, I don’t get the internal reasoning for a woodchuck being able to cast, but for a rock mole or stag not being able to 14:34 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:34 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 14:38 [hdf-us] [evil] LiamTheDruid (Dru Elf Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3214 (1:21:57) 14:39 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 4983 points, T:6195, killed by an orc-captain 14:53 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Bar Dwa Fem Neu), 1714 points, T:2945, zombified by a drow zombie 14:56 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) became literate by engraving "sdflkj", on T:6082 (0:46:33) 14:57 @Loggers_VIII there's both a physical (hands/arms) and verbal component to spellcasting 14:57 i waved the hands/arms bit for druids in wildshape 14:58 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:5513 (1:22:20) 14:59 see https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/spell.c#L665-L695 14:59 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law), 7532 points, T:6621, killed by a gnoll hunter 14:59 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 5 bone daggers on an altar, on T:7694 (1:58:52) 15:07 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:12 how about casting spells by tossing your head and shimmying your antlers 15:12 utter madness 15:18 how about casting spells by SHEDDING your antlers 15:18 an act of personal self-sacrifice must be good for some magical mojo 15:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:8172 (1:47:10) 15:26 I managed to DIY my magic resistance, this drood is looking pretty good now 15:27 can rock mole wildshape get at the contents of a safe by eating it? 15:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2930 points, T:3457, quit 15:29 I think so, just don't remember if it eats the contents also 15:35 k2, did you see my weird double-same-ring from bones? 15:35 my current game has two different bronze rings 15:37 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:8371 (2:01:42) 15:39 I hope you live to identify them krm26 15:39 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Bar Gia Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:5110 (0:39:10) 15:40 i can tell from the bones that they are 5 choose 2 of blah blah blah 15:45 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 15:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Dru Cen Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed +2 dragonhide T-shirt of drain resistance", on T:20222 (13:07:53) 15:47 hah smoky 15:48 sweet! 15:48 i'm back to back games with 30-40 smoky potions without a single wish 15:50 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (shocking spheres), on T:8921 (2:14:52) 15:54 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 15:55 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:03 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 16:04 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:10389 (2:29:07) 16:05 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:10 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3218 points, T:2131, killed by a fox, while frozen by a monster's gaze 16:17 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 16:18 Can chests death drop with items inside? 16:18 Just had one in the middle of the goblin town variant, where he's to the far right 16:18 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Bar Gia Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:8435 (1:17:49) 16:18 So it's definitely not the guaranteed spawn 16:19 <@Loggers_VIII> I wanna say yeah cuz I feel like I’ve seen it happen before 16:19 <@Loggers_VIII> but take it with a large amount of salt 16:19 It's super strange 16:19 But not passing up 3 free spellbooks 16:20 and a bunch of other shit xD 16:20 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Bar Gia Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:9022 (1:19:43) 16:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Dru Cen Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a rock mole, on T:20512 (13:21:36) 16:21 mobileuser MOLE GANG 16:21 lol 16:21 let's see if I can eat this iron safe 16:22 Wouldnt it destroy the objects inside? 16:22 ...and the contents are also consumed 16:22 ye... 16:22 SCIENCE 16:22 I did warn of specifically that outcome 16:22 xD 16:22 Umbire SCIENCE 16:22 also death drop chests are like any other chest generated 16:22 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Bar Gia Mal Cha) had a pair of kicking boots entrusted to him by Set, on T:9376 (1:22:03) 16:22 same as vanilla 16:23 Umbire rock mole eating a safe in evilhack doesn't destroy the contents 16:23 i lizarded through goblin king bars last run, was fun. of course then i had to wait a few hundred turns so i could fly once i fell down 16:23 well apparently K2 missed a check or something 16:23 idk 16:23 yeah that's why I did the SCIENCE 16:24 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Bar Gia Mal Cha) had a dwarvish spear entrusted to him by Set, on T:10488 (1:24:05) 16:25 !tell K2 it seems my rock mole wildform destroyed the contents of an iron safe when eating it. Unless the safe was empty to begin with. 16:25 I'm on it, mobileuser. 16:25 -!- Imanity has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:27 woah going out of wildshape early gets really punished 16:28 <@Loggers_VIII> it sets you to 50% of the HP you were at when you wildshaped 16:29 <@Loggers_VIII> unless you mean from dying? which, yeah 16:29 <@Loggers_VIII> timeout is stupid and will continue to be stupid 16:29 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Bar Gia Mal Cha) had a steel dwarvish spear entrusted to him by Set, on T:12310 (1:29:07) 16:36 i really feel like in order to heal i have to leave wildshape 16:37 Loggers_VIII I meant voluntarily 16:37 I was at 100% HP and then I was in the red zone 16:43 <@Loggers_VIII> from 100% HP to red sounds wrong? 16:44 <@Loggers_VIII> I think it’s only supposed to be 50% of what you were at so something may be up 16:45 <@Loggers_VIII> the HP regen thing is annoying yeah krm26, I wish it was buffed a little 16:46 <@Loggers_VIII> a very irritating amount of playing with wildshape entails the amazingly fun gameplay of “wait around and do nothing” 16:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) had a stone knife entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:71986 (1 day, 17:33:17) 16:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2254 (0:11:31) 16:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:2704 (0:15:30) 16:54 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Tymora, on T:72318 (1 day, 17:40:38) 16:56 few things are worse than trying to complete a sokoban level with a satyr going to town on his panflute on the upstairs 16:57 sigh in wildshape jail 17:00 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:03 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:10686 (2:47:26) 17:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:4774 (0:27:12) 17:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4802 (0:27:39) 17:04 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Bar Gia Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16052 (2:04:03) 17:05 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 17863 points, T:10764, killed by a piranha 17:10 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:10 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 17:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:6048 (0:34:30) 17:13 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Bar Gia Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:16544 (2:12:42) 17:16 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:16521 (3:40:30) 17:16 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:16521 (3:40:35) 17:16 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) had a scimitar entrusted to her by Silvanus, on T:16559 (3:41:08) 17:27 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Bar Gia Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible elron's ghost, the former Bandit, on T:17751 (2:26:32) 17:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Gia Fem Neu) had a saber entrusted to her by Silvanus, on T:17316 (3:55:06) 17:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 6594 points, T:8528, killed by a yeti 17:36 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:40 k2, wildshape loses a moderate amount of utility when you are a giant carrying boulders...do you think maybe it would be reasonable to automatically drop boulders when wildshaping as a giant? 17:40 you should already auto-drop boulders if taking a form that can't normally carrying them 17:40 I feel like 17:43 i think that wildshape is the first time when we have a reasonable "escape activity" that transforms you and is hence hosed by the boulders 17:43 but yeah, i'd be for having the boulderdrop be universal 17:44 unless the form is like an ent or something that can handle it 17:44 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3087 points, T:810, killed by a giant mimic 17:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:740 (0:04:05) 17:52 -!- terrapin has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:54 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 17:54 -!- Loggers_VIII is now known as Loggers_IX 17:55 !lastgame 17:55 Loggers_IX: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/K/Kaizo/evilhack/dumplog/1739140950.evil.html :: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/f/fionnuala/evilhack/dumplog/1739139479.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/U/Unga/evilhack/dumplog/1738480105.evil.html 18:27 -!- Loggers_IX has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:20 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:20 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 20:13 [hdf-us] [evil] LiamTheDruid (Dru Elf Fem Neu), 1283 points, T:3668, killed by a giant mosquito 20:13 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 59 points, T:385, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph 20:14 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 5 points, T:20, killed by a system shock 20:16 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 35 points, T:198, killed by a system shock 20:19 [hdf-us] [evil] LiamTheDruid (Dru Gia Fem Neu), 438 points, T:1423, killed by an orc zombie, while praying 20:29 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1236 (0:12:48) 20:50 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2768 points, T:2507, killed by a tiger 21:03 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2811 (0:12:29) 21:08 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1149 points, T:3541, zapped herself with a wand of fire 21:10 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 35 points, T:368, killed by a water demon 21:10 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Tymora, on T:74121 (1 day, 18:50:21) 21:18 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1125 points, T:1586, killed by the Goblin King 21:22 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 86 points, T:221, killed by a bolt of lightning 21:27 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 462 points, T:1445, zombified by an orc zombie 21:28 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Tymora, on T:75201 (1 day, 19:07:52) 21:31 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 dragonhide cornuthaum", on T:21 (0:03:10) 21:31 . 21:31 K2: Message from mobileuser at 2025-02-09 16:25 EST: it seems my rock mole wildform destroyed the contents of an iron safe when eating it. Unless the safe was empty to begin with. 21:33 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/efc2b00558a64e396b3234b903ba37c3af523bd2 21:33 ^ manually leaving wildshape bit 21:34 @Loggers_VIII complain all you want, but that's why it is the way it is. that's the cost for getting early timer and to prevent abuse 21:35 maybe you should just not use wildshape as a druid since you're having a difficult time learning how to use it. or maybe just not play druid at all :) 21:35 <@Loggers_VIII> I have used wildshape to very good effect tbh 21:35 i wouldnt know 21:36 all i see from you is complaining :) 21:36 <@Loggers_VIII> it’s because I haven’t told you about the op stuff cuz I think it will get changed lol 21:36 depends 21:36 and this years super bowl fucking SUCKS 21:37 i stopped watching before end of 3rd quarter 21:37 <@Loggers_VIII> bahahaha me too 21:37 i'm not rooting for any particular team. its just awful 21:37 <@Loggers_VIII> anyway my idea is meaner than a timer and it’s that dying in wildshape should just kill you 21:37 <@Loggers_VIII> might be too evil dunno 21:38 <@Loggers_VIII> this year’s matchup really is like Moloch vs Bael 21:39 dying while in wildshape is not how that's supposed to work. nethack devs got it right, if you die while polyd, you revert to original form. its that way in ad&d also 21:40 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah but it would be better 21:40 <@Loggers_VIII> the ad&d stuff is something I probably need to pay more attention to when making evil suggestions 21:41 K2, it's less unwatachably bad and more the Eagles just, running a clinic 21:41 <@Loggers_VIII> basically my problem with the 20 zillion turn timer is that it’s tedious and I just go sit in a closet 21:42 that's so dumb loggers 21:42 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1374 points, T:2138, killed by the Goblin King 21:42 that's 100% on you 21:42 Umbire the half time show sucked too 21:42 speak for yourself :B 21:42 this entire super bowl is just meh 21:42 <@Loggers_VIII> why? Druid’s offensive power throughout the midgame largely relies on wildshape 21:42 but yeah the game is just, the better team clearly winning, except it's not the one that people complain about getting all the calls 21:42 <@Loggers_VIII> I’m not going to kill myself by rushing in without it 21:42 the refball across the board has been surprisingly muted sans like, the first two calls 21:43 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:144 (0:00:49) 21:43 even the commericals arent very good 21:43 and kendrick got to murder a man live on stage 21:43 omg... i sound like loggers :P 21:43 yeah but that's the commercials 21:43 :B 21:45 a few good ones but a lot were just... uninspired 21:45 <@Loggers_VIII> just play a drood to the castle or so maybe you’ll see what I mean :p 21:45 oh yeah fourk has bears to 21:45 lot of bears for me to document 21:45 <@Loggers_VIII> no one plays fourk so no one knew that 21:45 i have 21:45 <@Loggers_VIII> pics or it didn’t happen 21:45 and that's as much as I've thought about chicago all year 21:45 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:45 * Umbire rimshot 21:45 <@Loggers_VIII> pfft 21:46 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 21:46 <@Loggers_VIII> I’m joking I believe you k2 :P 21:46 <@Loggers_VIII> fourk could honestly be good for all I know the combo restriction thing is just dumb 21:55 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1811 (0:10:33) 21:56 <@Loggers_VIII> aw, no more snake to go through bars in level 1 wildshape tier 21:57 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:2222 (0:12:12) 21:57 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1575 points, T:2223, quit 21:57 <@Loggers_VIII> k2 thoughts on locust in one of the tiers? 21:58 <@Loggers_VIII> I think that would be sick 21:58 <@Loggers_VIII> weak but delayed instadeath is just a fun archetype 21:58 i was going to add it. tested it. WAY too OP 21:58 just woodchuck or rock mole through 'em 21:58 <@Loggers_VIII> like turning into a basilisk or trice or vecna is super fun 21:59 <@Loggers_VIII> *for vecna 21:59 footrice is a magical creature 21:59 <@Loggers_VIII> oh yeah it actually would be broke cuz you keep your HP 21:59 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah I just mean it’s the same concept for why locust is fun 21:59 well so is unicorn but footrice is too far out there 21:59 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 67 points, T:312, killed by a system shock 22:00 locust gets a disease attack *every attack* 22:00 <@Loggers_VIII> I think locust would be ok if the HP was not buffed in wildshape but of course then most other forms would be ass 22:00 i dunno if you remember when i first changed grimtooth to have a disease attack 22:00 i had to tone it down to proc 1 in 6 because 1:1 was too overpowering 22:01 <@Loggers_VIII> that makes sense 22:01 that's why locust didnt make the cut for wildshape 22:01 <@Loggers_VIII> I kinda wanna use grimtooth sometime but I never get it and when I do I don’t want it 22:01 <@Loggers_VIII> maybe I’ll play an orc rogue 22:01 in evilhack grimtooth went from meh to awesome 22:03 <@Loggers_VIII> vanilla grimtooth is very insulting 22:03 <@Loggers_VIII> sighhhhhhhh if only werebane could go from meh to awesome 22:04 <@Loggers_VIII> …actually, I’m not sure how you could accomplish that and keep the theming consistent 22:04 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 98 points, T:653, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph 22:05 <@Loggers_VIII> I kind of secretly really appreciate Ogresmasher just because I think it’s fun to drain and regain with it 22:06 werebane is silver. that makes it awesome 22:06 you also have to get the Hand now 22:06 so you can explode cold stuff 22:08 <@Loggers_VIII> I think silver kinda overrated 22:08 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah I’m gonna play a monk and try for hand 22:09 <@Loggers_VIII> before that I’ll try and knock out giant/tortle druid or something like that 22:10 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:616 (0:05:07) 22:11 cool 22:12 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 1193 points, T:1250, killed by a system shock 22:14 <@Loggers_VIII> I like create grass more than I think I should 22:14 <@Loggers_VIII> like this spell is actually the best thing ever 22:14 <@Loggers_VIII> it’s not good I will clarify this is not a good spell 22:14 <@Loggers_VIII> but wow I don’t even care it’s just fun 22:15 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 24 points, T:256, killed by a system shock 22:15 it is good if you're a druid 22:15 plans to give it more utility 22:16 <@Loggers_VIII> the feds don’t want you to know but +2 damage is actually insane early 22:16 <@Loggers_VIII> yani: standing on grass in wildshape makes your regen rate like it would be if you weren’t poly’d (you don’t get the grass bonus to that though, so still worse than if you weren’t wildshaped) 22:17 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) murdered her faithful drow mummy, on T:379 (0:01:46) 22:18 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 dragonhide cornuthaum", on T:1 (0:00:22) 22:21 <@Loggers_VIII> I do think it could maybe be bumped down to level 2 or 1 though, nothing really puts it above barkskin/entangle 22:21 <@Loggers_VIII> unless that’s another dnd thing g 22:21 <@Loggers_VIII> -g 22:22 <@Loggers_VIII> barkskin is really good. stone skin too. though I wish I got to play around with stoneskin more, I’ve only seen it twice 22:22 <@Loggers_VIII> same with create trees and change metal to wood 22:23 <@Loggers_VIII> oh man I have a funny idea for a run 22:23 <@Loggers_VIII> loggers will be on indefinite hiatus until the funny run is complete 22:24 that yani is a good idea 22:25 actually... 22:25 huh 22:28 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1601 (0:10:12) 22:28 so get this 22:29 if you're not poly'd and your encumberance is ok, regen normal rate (based on your level and constituion, etc) 22:29 when you're polyd and encumberance is ok, regen happens at !(moves % 20L) 22:30 that's really slow 22:30 and i understand why the devteam did that 22:30 however, comma 22:30 whether you're polyd or not, if you have regeneration, say from a ring of regeneration, the rate is the same 22:31 what's another source of regen you can think of @Loggers_VIII 22:32 <@Loggers_VIII> uhhhh being a certain race at a certain level, having vecna hand, grass (not full regen though) 22:32 'being a certain race at a certain level' ding ding ding 22:32 <@Loggers_VIII> oh dude I wonder if having regen as a tortle gives you regen in wildshape 22:32 it does 22:32 same for giant 22:32 <@Loggers_VIII> because I was noticing I had fast regen after a certain point in ice queen 22:33 <@Loggers_VIII> oh I guess I might as well spill the beans on wildshapes as tortle getting water breathing too 22:33 giants and tortles both get hungerless regen at exp lvl 12 22:33 yeha i knew that 22:33 and centaur druids can still jump 22:33 (in wildshape) 22:34 not sure how to go about 'fixing' that 22:34 <@Loggers_VIII> feature! 22:34 but yeah i think i can 'fix' the druid in wildshape having slow health regen by editing part of one line 22:34 brb 22:38 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 3608 points, T:3064, killed by a water demon 22:42 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 345 points, T:1300, killed by a gas spore's explosion 22:50 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Bar Gia Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:23869 (3:42:30) 22:53 I should do a Giant Eagle-themed run in dnh or something to celebrate the win :B 22:53 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:54 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 23:06 also I was gonna do all the player monster stuff in variant order but with SLASH'EM doing me how it did I think I just skip right to the EvilHack entries 23:15 got some other stuff I wanna finish first 23:17 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3891 (0:34:41) 23:40 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Bar Gia Mal Cha) killed the invisible Thoth Amon, on T:28855 (4:32:39) 23:40 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Bar Gia Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28858 (4:32:40) 23:43 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Bar Gia Mal Cha) completed his quest without incident, on T:29184 (4:34:54)