01:36 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:37 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 02:07 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:12 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:13 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:13 !tell K2 can you please please please reconsider that crowning commit? it basically means you can never sac on an altar for fear of getting an artifact 02:13 K2 shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, mobileuser. 02:16 hmm 02:16 K2: Message from mobileuser at 2025-02-07 02:13 EST: can you please please please reconsider that crowning commit? it basically means you can never sac on an altar for fear of getting an artifact 02:17 that doesnt feel right though... altar is damaged, why get crowned? 02:17 could go the other way 02:18 can get crowned on a fractired altar, but crowning will fracture a non-fractured altar 02:18 *fractured 02:32 that last one sounds fime 02:32 * fine 02:32 still waking up 02:37 k 02:37 will fix before i go to bed, because the crowning commit is live 02:38 google says the plural of mistletoe is mistletoes but that doesnt sound right 02:39 mistlestoe 02:39 yeah 02:39 err no 02:39 lmfao 02:39 thanks K2! 02:39 can't believe I got you with that :B 02:40 its almost 3am 02:40 lol 02:41 but yeah mistletoes is one of those plurals that itself sounds fake 02:44 EvilHack Commits: Mistletoe can affect a Druids power regeneration (Part I). https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/8f0283929a1cacd7731de7212cf9c48948c96226 02:49 ^ read up 03:02 aaahh druid only starts with one mistletoe, not 2 03:02 good 03:03 stackable food moment 03:03 druids will want to take care to preserve their mistletoe 03:03 EvilHack Commits: Revamp of crowning and fractured altars. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/b7c33e69538701cd3df15d311c3a8da0b9ad229d 03:03 food items can be fooproofed 03:05 ok those commits are live 03:05 !who 03:05 K2: [hdf-us] No current players :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 03:07 * K2 slaps mobileuser around a bit with a large trout 03:07 wake up :P 03:07 ok i gotta get up in four hours so I'm gonna go. gnite o/ 03:08 oops, good night K2! 03:08 thanks again :-) 03:10 "druids will want to take care to preserve their mistletoe" I still don't know what it does 03:32 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:56 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 04:11 -!- Demo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:11 -!- Demo has joined #evilhack 04:27 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest6884 04:27 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 04:31 -!- Guest6884 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:39 [hdf-au] [evil] Unga (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 41343 points, T:22806, withered away 04:42 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:03 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:04 when I try to chat to a deer in a shop, it instead gives me the price of an item on the ground... 05:30 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Fem Law) had a helm of brilliance entrusted to her by Lugh, on T:1164 (0:08:09) 05:41 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Fem Law) had a small shield entrusted to her by Lugh, on T:3723 (0:18:37) 05:56 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 05:56 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 06:18 hey, k2, good job on the tree kick druid mod! 06:25 mistletoe can be collective, and mistletoes is also fine, it is preference (i personally prefer mistletoe/mistletoe myself) 06:26 maybe the deer was doing an internship with the shopkeeper mobileuser 06:27 heh 06:27 what does mistletoe do? 06:27 the only thing I saw in the code was that it makes you hallucinate? 06:28 cures hallucination 06:28 oh a cure 06:28 druids carrying 9 in open inventory double mana regen 06:28 0 halves mana regen 06:28 something like that 06:28 you want 9+ mistletoe 06:28 ah, now that is good to know 06:28 trees will now never yield more than 1 06:29 and druid kicking is less violent and injury-prone 06:29 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:29 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 06:30 oh now I see the power regen is a recent commit 06:31 and the kicking 06:44 so as a draugr did you carry around your most recent corpse until it was edible? 06:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Dru Cen Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:5597 (3:09:41) 07:02 krm26 if it was light, yes 07:02 otherwise I would hang around 07:03 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Fem Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:6374 (0:39:50) 07:03 I noticed you can keep checking the status of the corpse with farlook, even when you can't see it directly 07:07 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Fem Law) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to her by Lugh, on T:6675 (0:44:07) 07:15 i lost my bone dog :-( lost, as in, doesnt show up on infrared and cant get esp 07:15 how does a draugr regain a pet? 07:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Dra Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6687 (2:09:19) 07:27 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 07:28 krm26 get max luck, chat to a zombie, whistle it onto a polytrap 07:32 chatting to zombies does something? has always seemed like a noop to me 07:32 I'm pretty sure it's luck-dependent 07:33 it's how I got my arch-lich pet 07:34 #chatting to zombies gives no feedback and does not advance turn 07:40 ok, weird 07:40 I only started trying when I had max luck 07:41 oh well so much for this run -- level ported into crossaligned minetown temple 07:41 no escape from here 07:41 oof 07:42 hmm, shorter run by lt or longer run by normal watch 07:43 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Dra Fem Cha), 13929 points, T:8129, killed by a dark elven watch captain, while running out of chances to revive 07:43 and there goes the streak :-) 07:46 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:48 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:50 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 07:51 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 08:00 oops, I have to worry about creeping mounds now as non-draugr 08:05 Resists fire, cold, sleep, poison, sickness yeah thank you very much 08:05 do I have a breathless polyform 08:11 I suppose a large form can't be engulfed? 08:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:11701 (2:42:32) 08:18 that took ages to aklys 08:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven short sword entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:15118 (7:47:16) 08:22 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:786 (0:04:54) 08:22 mobileuser - huge or larger cant be engulfed 08:22 large can 08:22 only player race that is engulfproof is giant 08:22 ah ok 08:23 good morning! :-) 08:23 YANI: revamp nethack player sizes to be wee, semi wee, and FRICKIN' HUGE 08:23 morning o/ 08:23 i did NOT want to get up 08:24 yeah if you eat mistletoe, it cures hallucination. i made mistletoe with the initial druid commit, figured I would discover a better use for it eventually 08:25 No'-as-big-as-Medium-Sized-Jock-but-bigger-than-Wee-Jock-Jock 08:25 hahah 08:25 (discworld) 08:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 1833 points, T:2845, killed by the Goblin King, while praying 08:40 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Odin, on T:14677 (3:08:46) 08:45 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:45 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:9666 (1:21:33) 08:47 krm26 glad you like the 'druid kick mod' hah 09:08 the mistletoe is a good way of addressing mana regen 09:09 i have a tiny suggestion about it -- tie the requirement to the druid's level (like < level, halved; @ level, stable, > level, increased, some kinda level based formula; druids start with some grace because of starting mistletoe and level 1 09:10 just a thought 09:12 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu), 65956 points, T:17270, killed by a black pudding 09:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:8 (0:00:08) 09:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Cha), 37 points, T:29, killed by a water moccasin 09:13 just kicked a food ration through iron bars, a bit of a surprise 09:15 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2436 (0:12:30) 09:16 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:10015 (1:52:54) 09:20 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 626 points, T:772, killed by a steel dagger 09:28 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:660 (0:08:03) 09:37 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1961 points, T:1116, killed by an Uruk-hai 10:07 krm26, normal power regen is already tied in with your exp level 10:08 didnt want to make it too complicated 10:13 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3091 (0:34:43) 10:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:3147 (0:19:00) 10:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:3479 (0:21:19) 10:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 14261 points, T:3734, killed by a soldier ant 10:48 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 10:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:574 (0:01:50) 11:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3287 (0:18:47) 11:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 2141 points, T:4800, zombified by an orc zombie 11:23 [hdf-us] [evil] eri (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 213 points, T:301, killed by a gnome lord 11:32 EvilHack Commits: Fix: burning multiple tiles of grass at once is spammy. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/ea9060704d5686ab8d5035a81c413e7bd7d18303 12:10 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:10 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 12:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed eri's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:2011 (0:16:43) 12:35 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3926 (1:01:16) 12:44 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3656 (0:38:26) 12:47 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:6056 (1:13:23) 12:52 <@shrigis> Kinda weird that druids don't have any skills in axes. You'd expect them to be experts because of the whole tree thing 12:52 they dont chop down trees 12:52 Wouldn't druids prefer to side with the trees, against the axes? 12:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4280 (0:46:56) 12:54 The enemy of my friend, is my enemy. 12:56 (Unless we have a greater common enemy, of course. Like America allying with Stalin against the Nazi regime. But that only lasted about five minutes past the end of the war.) 12:56 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 10358 points, T:7864, killed by a touch of death 13:04 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:5409 (0:58:45) 13:10 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 10047 points, T:6200, killed by an orc-captain, while sleeping 13:14 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LSL4YlS7aYuRx6S6ZG20Qr_vL8JhMFEmxW_RZ1Y8buM/edit?usp=sharing 13:14 ^ has current druid forms and the exp level you can access 13:14 and proposed changes below 13:15 since you retain your original form hit points, makes sense to spread out the access level 13:23 ^ krm26 mobileuser @Loggers_VIII 13:31 looks good to me, but admittedly I barely have druid experience yet 13:35 LIES 13:35 i know it was you playing krm26's account 13:35 :P 13:41 heh 13:42 it's interesting to see that we have different playing styles (even if there is a certain "brave sir robin" overlap) 13:43 hahah 13:50 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) destroyed Charon, on T:60481 (1 day, 8:36:45) 13:50 I think i can make these changes to monst.c without breaking saves 13:51 if i do change things up with druid forms, i dont think it would affect a current druid game. would need to start a new one after the changes were made 13:54 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1346 (0:06:00) 13:55 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 13:56 coming back up out of Gehennom made Charon mad and all of a sudden he's agro-ing me. Is that normal? I had not seen that before. 13:57 are you wielding sunsword or the hammer of the gods? 13:57 Fortunately some quick thinking involving 'wizard lock' as he was charging across the bridge at me solved that immediate problem. 13:57 ah. yes 13:57 that makes sense now. 13:57 yup 13:59 I definitely did not feel like fighting him. Fortunately neither Charon nor Cerberus have yet figured out what an effective OSHA hazard that portcullis is in the middle of their work environment. 14:00 sounds fair to me since it gets experienced players too :D 14:00 :) 14:02 At first I thought it was some new behavior from Charon. Like, "no! you can go in, but no one should be allowed to escape from the underworld!" (But I don't want to give K2 too many ideas ;) ) 14:02 HMMM 14:02 hah 14:04 that's not his jurisdiction, he just ferries people across 14:05 <[> @e?charon 14:05 Charon (@) | Lvl: 76 | Diff: 38 | Spd: 0 | Res: fire cold poison petrification drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 120 | Gen: unique | AC: -5 | Atk: 1d8 weapon physical, 1d8 touch paralyze, 1d8 cast clerical | Align: 0 | breathless, seeinvis, nopoly, infravis, undead 14:20 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:20 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 14:24 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11491 (1:11:20) 14:37 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 15201 points, T:12005, killed by a bolt of lightning 14:38 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 9994 points, T:6878, choked on a stone giant corpse 14:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2185 (0:42:24) 14:49 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2177 (0:11:41) 14:51 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1343 points, T:1929, killed by a rabid rat 14:56 -!- Glasshopper has joined #evilhack 14:56 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) became literate by engraving "sdflkj", on T:3125 (0:18:15) 14:59 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 15:00 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3624 (0:58:58) 15:00 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 14 points, T:96, killed by an electric shock 15:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3349 points, T:3977, killed by a dingo, while frozen by a monster's gaze 15:20 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5302 (0:42:23) 15:21 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1552 (0:20:08) 15:21 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (large mimics), on T:1565 (0:20:29) 15:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3083 (0:31:03) 15:24 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 666 points, T:1994, killed by Ms. Bayburt; the shopkeeper 15:27 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3665 (0:36:22) 15:28 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3672 (0:36:28) 15:28 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 160 points, T:1010, killed by a small mimic 15:33 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:33 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 15:39 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:5873 (1:01:40) 15:42 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Tymora, on T:61739 (1 day, 10:10:46) 15:42 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law), 7346 points, T:6000, killed by an orc shaman called Zogthosog of Baneaul, while sleeping 15:44 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3097 (0:13:36) 15:46 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3588 (0:16:08) 15:47 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 8304 points, T:9148, killed by a bolt of fire 15:47 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Nightsorrow's ghost, the former Ninja, on T:13555 (2:42:28) 15:50 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:5361 (0:58:57) 15:52 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 5006 points, T:4932, killed by a bolt of lightning 15:54 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1613 (0:08:10) 15:57 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 16:27 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible splungetoo's ghost, the former Ninja, on T:14959 (3:21:34) 16:33 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:6019 (0:47:14) 16:34 [hdf-us] [evil] LiamTheDruid (Dru Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:6347 (1:09:06) 16:36 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 6135 points, T:6420, killed by a Green-elf 16:40 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 16:43 @e?giant ant 16:43 giant ant (a) | Lvl: 2 | Diff: 4 | Spd: 18 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 3 | Atk: 1d4 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, passes-bars 16:43 @e?dire wolverine 16:43 dire wolverine (r) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 17 | Spd: 14 | Res: cold | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Atk: 3d6 claw physical, 3d6 claw physical, 2d8 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, thick hide, stalker, infravis 16:43 @e?wolf 16:43 wolf (d) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Atk: 2d4 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, druid form, infravis 16:43 \o/ 16:43 very nice 16:43 hmm wonder why dire wolvrine is missing druid form flag 16:43 ah well 16:44 its all gonna change soon anyways 16:44 @e?ent 16:44 ent (#) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 5 | Res: sleep poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 20 | Gen: dungeons | AC: 0 | Atk: 6d6 claw physical, 6d6 claw knockback | Align: 0 | genocidable, thick hide, vegan 16:44 @e?elder ent 16:44 elder ent (#) | Lvl: 14 | Diff: 16 | Spd: 5 | Res: sleep poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 40 | Gen: dungeons | AC: -2 | Atk: 6d8 claw physical, 6d8 claw knockback | Align: 0 | genocidable, thick hide, vegan 16:45 @e?gulthias tree 16:45 gulthias tree (#) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 23 | Spd: 10 | Res: cold sleep poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: special | AC: -6 | Atk: 6d8 claw physical, 6d8 claw physical, 6d6 hug physical | Align: -15 | carnivore, breathless, mindless, thick hide, nopoly, vegan 16:47 @e?rothe 16:47 rothe (q) | Lvl: 2 | Diff: 4 | Spd: 9 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 7 | Atk: 1d3 bite physical, 1d3 kick physical, 1d8 butt physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, omnivore, druid form, infravis 16:47 cool 16:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful rope golem, on T:7 (0:00:13) 17:05 <[> @e?petrified ent 17:05 petrified ent (#) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 18 | Spd: 4 | Res: sleep poison petrification | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: dungeons | AC: -4 | Atk: 6d8 claw physical, 6d8 claw knockback | Align: 0 | genocidable, thick hide 17:05 <[> @e?satyr 17:05 satyr (n) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 25 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 7 | Atk: 1d6 weapon physical, 1d4 butt physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, infravis 17:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1031 (0:05:19) 17:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1510 (0:08:38) 17:13 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 17:14 Why is the Goblin king chest missing? 17:14 My pet doesn't have it 17:14 and no nearby monsters could have picked it up 17:14 it cant be picked up 17:15 is your game open? 17:15 yes 17:15 I'll log in 17:15 I dont mean magic chest 17:16 the one which spawns adjacent to it 17:16 and can contain magic marker 17:16 well that one could be picked up 17:16 or maybe destroyed? 17:16 Could it have been destroyed by magic missile? 17:16 no 17:16 Only thing which happened there, is my grey dragon breathing in the vicinity 17:17 you're Kaizo right? 17:17 yes 17:18 there's a list of reasons why it may not be there anymore 17:18 What are those? 17:19 picked up, blown up if it were trapped and a monster tried to open it 17:19 i'm assuming you never interacted with it? 17:19 Correct 17:19 When I came to the middle area the goblin king resides 17:19 it was gone 17:20 gelcube could have eaten it 17:20 There are none 17:20 and I was like lvl 3, so way out of their range 17:21 i'm just gping over the various ways 17:21 Ye 17:21 *going 17:21 I think it was trapped, goblin king/shaman tried opening 17:21 and it destroyed all the contents 17:21 could have been teleported elsewhere on that level if it were in line of a tele wand zap 17:21 did you hear an explosion earlier while on that level? 17:21 I'll check around when I get magic key 17:21 No 17:22 fun fact - chests and large boxes can rot away if buried (if made of wood) 17:24 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:13843 (2:33:04) 17:25 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:26 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 17:28 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Cheers!] 17:28 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31 well that was efficient. Was taking a long time to get my dragon up to full health, when suddenly 'swallows the nurse. "Burrrrp!"'. back to 208/208HP 17:32 nice 17:33 \o/ 17:37 hmm, nymph dropped smoky potion... 17:42 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Tymora, on T:63567 (1 day, 10:53:53) 17:43 I also have smoky obeject detection this game! 17:43 but so far the tally is one tame and one hostile Djini. And many objects detected.  Ah well 17:49 dragonbane gift, very nice! except you have a dragon pet... 17:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 6959 points, T:5249, killed by a baby blue dragon, while sleeping 17:51 Delightful 17:53 ya. dragon will disapprove 17:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful steam vortex, on T:7 (0:00:11) 17:54 in back of my head tho... thinking what if I converted to lawful? I have hammer of the gods, and I could possibly make gauntlets of purity 17:55 I need the strength, and I like making dragons friendly, so prob just keep dragonbane in my bag for now. 17:58 what's crazy this game is, have cleared all the way to Vecna's domain and still no ring of free action 17:59 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17857 (4:02:44) 18:00 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 18:02 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:15522 (3:11:27) 18:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1467 (0:07:34) 18:09 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) stole 800 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Matagami's general store, on T:18453 (4:12:40) 18:10 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 27494 points, T:18469, killed by a giant watch captain 18:10 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 660 points, T:1803, killed by a bolt of fire 18:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2318 (0:12:58) 18:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:2334 (0:13:15) 18:12 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16014 (3:20:42) 18:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1694 points, T:2945, quit 18:18 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) had a knife entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:63926 (1 day, 11:21:36) 18:19 Tymora God of Cutlery 18:20 [hdf-us] [evil] LiamTheDruid (Dru Elf Fem Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:8534 (1:36:27) 18:36 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:3654 (0:26:06) 18:38 The hobbit pickpocket hits! The hobbit pickpocket's hands slip off of your slippery cloak! 18:39 HAX 18:39 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a spear entrusted to her by Odin, on T:19294 (3:47:46) 18:39 the return of an old bug K2? 18:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:15449 (8:03:36) 18:39 are you not wearing an oilskin cloak? 18:40 no, but I do have an oilskin sack in inventory 18:40 well gdammit 18:40 lol 18:41 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/2f7ec792f2f12c6c8bbec44726d2b11c7b8df638 18:41 ^ this was you vs monster 18:41 i guess i need to look at mon vs you 18:41 (and prob mon vs mon) 18:43 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4188 (0:33:09) 18:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Dru Cen Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a copper amulet of reflection, on T:10586 (6:34:07) 18:45 :-( 18:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] Bard (Dru Elf Fem Neu), 449 points, T:4584, killed by a ball of cold 18:48 is it wee or semi wee? 18:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1229 (0:08:36) 18:50 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Arch (Dru Hum Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:50866 (16:58:11) 18:58 mobileuser how much mistletoe have you collected? 19:00 I only have my starting one, haven't kicked any trees yet 19:00 treehugger 19:01 thanks for reminding me :-) 19:01 Do druids get decreased alignment for kicking trees? 19:01 no as it does not hurt them in any way 19:01 however 19:01 if they kill a tree? bad 19:01 super bad 19:01 (also for elves, but not as bad as if you were a druid) 19:01 Even the dead ones? 19:01 no 19:02 good 19:02 dead trees are dead 19:02 Would be pretty much impossible to get to Vecna's throne, Ice queen 19:02 yup 19:02 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:02 from old ad&d lore, druids would either use already dead wood, or would use magic to coax living trees to take on various useful shapes 19:05 can evilhack druids do this :0 19:06 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 19:06 -!- Imanity has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:07 no 19:07 but they can change metal into wood 19:08 Hello all, I came across a small quirk that's probably known.  I'm wearing a silver helmet so when a foocubus attacks me it is seared by my helmet.  But when I'm seduced, I'm asked "shall I remove your" for each piece of armor.  The quirk is that there's no searing message when the helmet is removed by the foocubus. 19:09 (... when the silver helmet is removed by the foocubus) 19:10 You'd think that in the act of removing the helmet that the foocubus would be touching it and therefore be seared.  But there's no corresponding message. 19:10 ah good catch 19:11 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 19:11 i wonder if that's also present in vanill anethack - say a foocubus removes your shield of reflection 19:12 Probably 19:12 is a [ of reflection always silver?  It's described as being polished. 19:13 in vanilla yes, in evilhack and other variants with obj properties patch, no 19:17 Ok, so it seems like there's vanilla as well as any other variant that has a silver piece of armor being removed (not just the shield of reflection) that could cause a sear ONLY if the foocubus removes it.  That's when you're being seduced, so perhaps it's only that section of code that needs the patch? 19:18 would need to look 19:19 I suppose if you hit the foocubus by bashing the foocubus with your shiny shield that it'd also cause searing damage? 19:19 it also begs the question - what if you poly into a foocubus and seduce a monster wearing silver armor 19:19 yes 19:20 evilhack also has a thing where if a piece of your armor blocks a monsters attack, if that piece is made of a material they hate, it can sear them 19:20 sure, or if you are wearing silver armor and poly into a foocubus - kind of like the armor causing your skin to itch or in this case, sear.  How's armor handled for all demons?  Perhaps the answer is there. 19:20 (if they attacked bare handed) 19:20 i've added this to my bug tracker 19:20 i'll look into it 19:20 right - got to get down to just your skin before these considerations should be in the code, perhaps? 19:21 perhaps 19:30 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed ring of free action", on T:66122 (1 day, 12:22:16) 19:32 Wow another new creature - an Ent !  Awesome!  And when I talk to it the Ent asks about Entwives!  LOL 19:33 :) 19:33 getting that feedback is very rare 19:34 1 in 100 20:01 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:67002 (1 day, 12:53:27) 20:03 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:05 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 20:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Rog Dro Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide hawaiian shirt of drain resistance", on T:16582 (8:52:10) 20:17 * [ of reflection is not always silver 20:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:16744 (8:56:38) 20:18 <@Loggers_VIII> proposed druid form changes look good 20:19 <@Loggers_VIII> I assume the size restriction thing was done away with because kraken/mastodon and stuff are there now? 20:19 hey loggers 20:19 <@Loggers_VIII> I like that there are drowning mons 20:20 <@Loggers_VIII> fancy meeting you here umbire 20:21 -!- Grassy has joined #evilhack 20:21 <@Loggers_VIII> petrified ent —> elder ent seems fine, I guess the significant change is that you will lose stoning res? but will you get turned into a petrified ent if you get stoned?? 20:22 <@Loggers_VIII> I think ents should be able to wield stuff. they have hands right? I’ve been playing a lot using ent/elder ent forms lately. it just wierded me out that I couldn’t use weapons 20:22 <@Loggers_VIII> I’m pretty sure ents in lotr have hands, anyway 20:22 they have tree hands 20:23 not people hands 20:23 this is my merry-carrying arm, and this is my pippin-carrying arm 20:23 <@Loggers_VIII> I guess 20:23 <@Loggers_VIII> wildshape falls off really really hard round about the castle because you can’t use weapons 20:24 -!- Glasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:24 no they do not 20:25 <@Loggers_VIII> I mean I’ve been playing that stage of the game and they kinda do 20:25 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/98378821fe1c1c70ab411d32a3a73c07bd4f0a00 20:25 wildshape does not wield weapons. ever 20:25 its not a thing 20:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2182 (0:16:24) 20:26 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah I get that it just puts them in a weird spot 20:27 no it doesnt :) 20:27 <@Loggers_VIII> the TH is nice but stuff takes a looooong time to kill even as a pegasus 20:27 <@Loggers_VIII> ??? this is from me literally playing the video game lol what do you mean 20:27 <@Cerebot> I don't have a page labeled ?\_this\_is\_from\_me\_literally\_playing\_the\_video\_game\_lol\_what\_do\_you\_mean in my learndb. 20:28 loggers trying to hak the bot again 20:28 *hack 20:28 smh 20:28 <@Loggers_VIII> hehe 20:29 i'm waiting on more feedback before i make the wildshape changes 20:29 did you noticed the exp level spead change as well? 20:29 *notice 20:29 <@Loggers_VIII> petrified ent seemed to be dealing suspiciously low damage every time I became one but I might have been tweakin? 20:29 tweaking 20:29 they hit *hard* 20:29 all ents do 20:30 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah I know but for some reason I was struggling to deal consistently damage of even 30 or so a round for all of ice queen’s realm 20:31 <@Loggers_VIII> exp level spread changes? I don’t think I did 20:31 <@Loggers_VIII> *considtent 20:31 <@Loggers_VIII> **consistent… 20:31 i also want to change at what exp level you get to the next tier 20:32 because now you retain your hit points if the form you change into would have less 20:32 but, i've added some stronger forms 20:33 first tier got a bump selection wise 20:33 <@Loggers_VIII> ah yes I see 20:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:3418 (0:23:34) 20:33 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 20:33 <@Loggers_VIII> what did the oracle ever do to deserve that 20:34 <@Loggers_VIII> what exactly is the damage bonus for wildshape? I want to crunch some numbers 20:35 * when a Druid uses wildshape, they gain bonuses to both damage output 20:35 and to-hit, and the to-hit bonus scales as the Druid gains experience 20:35 levels. At experience level 30, several forms will have a to-hit value 20:35 that's on par with a fully kitted out level 30 adventurer swinging a 20:35 fully enchanted artifact weapon 20:35 ^ to-hit 20:35 damage bonus isnt required, some of these wildshape forms can dole out a lot of pain 20:35 oh sorry 20:35 there is some damage adjust as well 20:36 tmp += rn1(5, 2); /* 2-6 hp of damage */ 20:36 but the to-hit really scales 20:36 a lot 20:37 the dmg bonus helps more with the weaker forms 20:37 so being a woodchuck doesnt fully suck 20:37 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah the TH is definitely necessary for evil’s endgame I think 20:37 <@Loggers_VIII> got it 20:38 <@Loggers_VIII> @e?pegasus 20:38 pegasus (u) | Lvl: 18 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 24 | Res: sleep poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: special | AC: -4 | Atk: 2d6 kick physical, 2d6 kick physical, 4d4 bite physical | Align: 0 | herbivore, flies, oviparous, regen, nopoly, infravis 20:38 fyi pinobot was updated 20:38 <@Loggers_VIII> ah! cool 20:38 all the new monsters are there 20:38 <@Loggers_VIII> @e?elder ent 20:38 elder ent (#) | Lvl: 14 | Diff: 16 | Spd: 5 | Res: sleep poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 40 | Gen: dungeons | AC: -2 | Atk: 6d8 claw physical, 6d8 claw knockback | Align: 0 | genocidable, thick hide, vegan 20:39 @e? wolf 20:39 wolf (d) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Atk: 2d4 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, druid form, infravis 20:39 ^ see druid form? heh 20:39 <@Loggers_VIII> I had 3 elder ent pets and they all died it was very sad 20:39 <@Loggers_VIII> oho nice 20:39 adeon missed a lot of the forms but thats ok 20:39 its about to change again so i'll mention it then 20:40 <@Loggers_VIII> I think maybe there should be a way to decrease the timeout you get from dying in wildform, maybe a prayer boon or eating mistletoe 20:40 <@Loggers_VIII> I kinda just go sit in a closet for 4k turns usually lol 20:41 you should look at the most recent commits loggers 20:41 <@Loggers_VIII> …though that has been exacerbated by my extreme stubbornness in trying to take down ice queen 20:41 <@Loggers_VIII> this girl is immune to everything in the book 20:41 not lightning, nor acid 20:41 and esp not fire 20:41 <@Loggers_VIII> I tried so many tricks only to be thwarted at every turn 20:42 has anyone attempted to take her down with a barrage of oil bombs 20:42 <@Loggers_VIII> I would use harbinger if I had it but my god hates giving me artifacts 20:42 aosdict i dont think so 20:42 it would work though if you had enough 20:43 schliemann enters chat 20:43 and if she didnt freeze your potion stash 20:43 I don't think oil can freeze 20:43 well not irl no 20:43 does it in nethack? 20:43 no I mean in nethack 20:43 <@Loggers_VIII> ftr, I think more needs to be done about altar camping. I sat at an altar sacrificing for like an hour. I think it’s a problem not just that there was incentive to altar camp for 20 years, but also that camping could take 20 years :p 20:43 <@Loggers_VIII> gun to my head it can 20:44 <@Loggers_VIII> (to be clear I kept saccing because I didn’t get an artifact not because I was infinite farming mundane stuff lol) 20:44 rip loggers 20:44 oil won't be destroyed by AD_COLD 20:44 <@Loggers_VIII> nooooooo 20:46 <@Loggers_VIII> but basically now that sacrifice gifts are finite I think it is no longer necessary to have them potentially take such a long time to get 20:46 have you wished up any artifacts loggers? 20:46 that will decrease odds of getting one from altar sac 20:46 <@Loggers_VIII> it would’ve been a problem if you could walk up and sacrifice a buncha stuff and get all the artifacts, but now of course you’re limited 20:46 <@Loggers_VIII> I wished for the wizard eyeball 20:46 int arti_gift_odds = ((u.ualign.abuse == 0) ? 9 : 10) + (2 * u.ugifts) + (2 * u.uconduct.wisharti); 20:47 <@Loggers_VIII> I don’t really see the point in doing that, it’s just gonna make me farm for more time until I squeeze an artifact out of the altar 20:47 its been that way for a long time 20:47 <@Loggers_VIII> maybe it would be more interesting if there was any real danger in waiting around on a level for a long time doing basically nothing 20:48 so you're saying evilhack isnt dangerous enough 20:48 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) destroyed Kas, on T:67433 (1 day, 13:16:07) 20:48 that's... kinda funny 20:49 <@Loggers_VIII> hmm well when you’re progressing through the game it’s very difficult because you’re regularly increasing the difficulty by exploring dangerous special levels and encountering gradually higher level enemies, but if you’re at a level where you can clear off a given dungeon floor with an altar that level likely won’t pose much of a threat to just stand around in 20:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 11475 points, T:6239, killed by an Uruk-hai 20:50 <@Loggers_VIII> that last part of that message was super butchered and hard to read you’ll have to try hard on that one 20:50 i got it 20:51 maybe you've gotten so good loggers, the regular evilhack dungeon no longer poses a decent challenge for you anymore 20:51 <@Loggers_VIII> that sort of thing is impossible to avoid unless you increased the difficulty or danger of every level constantly, but I don’t think that’s very good design so I prefer if waiting around on “safe” levels is decentivized instead 20:52 <@Loggers_VIII> heh if I’m too good at evilhack I shudder at what it must be like to be bad at it 20:52 well i'm not going to make artifacts easier to get, so if you want to altar camp, that's on you 20:52 <@Loggers_VIII> it’s not like you CAN’T die altar camping, you can get a cube or locust or whayever 20:52 <@Loggers_VIII> whatever 20:52 at least after you sac for the one you'll need to move off to another one 20:53 brb dinner is ready woop 20:53 <@Loggers_VIII> I just don’t see any particular value gained from artifacts being very time-consuming to farm for 20:53 <@Loggers_VIII> it’s not fun, or interesting, or flavorful, or difficult 20:53 <@Loggers_VIII> basically hits no design beats 20:54 <@Loggers_VIII> add to that that it doesn’t maintain balance either ;since artifacts are limited) 20:54 <@Loggers_VIII> add to that that it doesn’t maintain balance either (since artifacts are limited) 20:55 <@Loggers_VIII> especially with the changes making less wishes available before vecna, players are less prepared for the beginning of the lategame and encouraged to squeeze any value out of altars that they can 20:55 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:57 <@Loggers_VIII> it’s not very convincing to me to just say “if you want to do it that’s your fault that the game is not fun”. if degenerate or tedious behavior is actively encouraged/rewarded by the game’s structure, there is no reason to not perform such behavior so long as it doesn’t reach the bounds of entirely unreasonable grind 20:59 ok but you realize this is not a design problem specific to evilhack. no one has solved it 21:00 no matter what nethack you play, hypothetical optimal man should be camping and farming up items, food, and artifacts 21:07 <@Loggers_VIII> aosdict: yes, but the issue altar camping specifically has been exacerbated by both evilhack’s difficulty and its lending of great value to specific artifacts via forging recipes 21:07 <@Loggers_VIII> *issue of 21:07 <@Loggers_VIII> in vanilla, I sacrifice for 20 mins tops and go about my day 21:08 hm I didn't consider the factor of "I have 3 of the 5 pieces I need to make an awesome ultra-artifact, just need to grind for 2 more hours and I can have it all!!!" 21:08 <@Loggers_VIII> altar camping is uniquely encouraged by evilhack. also note my statement that altar camping is within what the bounds of what the average player is willing to comply with as far as tedium 21:08 <@Loggers_VIII> aosdict; that is exactly it lol 21:09 isn't altar cracking supposed to be a guard against that 21:09 so you have a limited number of artifacts you can get in the first place 21:09 from your god 21:09 <@Loggers_VIII> Mr optimal man might farm on dlvl1 for an ascension kit. does this mean the capacity for Mr optimal man to perform this strategy is game unbalancing? no, because it’s unrealistic enough for no one to do it 21:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3793 (0:19:42) 21:10 <@Loggers_VIII> aosdict: right, my point largely is that there’s no reason for altar camping to still take forever to give you an arti because there are limited artifacts available to you 21:11 <@Loggers_VIII> for adjusting that to make any negative impact on balance, farming for an artifact would have to be difficult, which it is not 21:11 I am not convinced that the solution is to make gods grant artifacts quicker 21:11 <@Loggers_VIII> why not though 21:12 artifacts should be rare and valuable, not common 21:12 and easy to get 21:12 <@Loggers_VIII> I mean, it doesn’t have to just be “make the chance higher”, you could make the chance higher depending on level of corpse, or create some sort of ritual consuming a valuable resource for a guaranteed gift, etc 21:13 <@Loggers_VIII> aosdict: the rarity part is solved by fracturing, the “easy to get” part is already true lol 21:13 <@Loggers_VIII> altar farming is not hard 21:13 YANI (not specifically for this but the idea came into my head for vanilla): there is some ritual way to destroy an unwanted artifact, reducing the amount of artifacts that exist so that your god is more likely to give you another 21:14 I know it can be done with a cursed boh but like, a special way to do it 21:14 and I don't think boh erases it from existence it still counts against you 21:15 <@Loggers_VIII> yes it doesn’t roll it back when considering how many Artis have been gifted/created 21:15 loggers I don't think there should generally be on the order of one artifact per sacrificable altar in the game 21:15 should be rarer imo 21:15 we as expert players have a skewed view of how it's supposed to be 21:15 <@Loggers_VIII> okay, that’s a separate discussion tho 21:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4312 (0:24:39) 21:16 <@Loggers_VIII> it doesn’t help that like half of the artifacts don’t feel special 21:16 question: is there a zone in which you would consider an artifact to feel special, but it's not really endgame worthy 21:17 <@Loggers_VIII> making artifacts rarer would make getting the bad ones even more fucking annoying (a problem I have encountered a LOT in this latest evil version) 21:17 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah, sure 21:17 <@Loggers_VIII> I don’t think any artifacts really accomplish this right now 21:17 <@Loggers_VIII> maybe dragonbane (vanilla) 21:18 <@Loggers_VIII> for evilhack I would probably say Magicbane, it’s fun and special and does interesting things but it’s not a weapon you would use as a damage source past midgame 21:19 gotta go now, can talk more artifacts tomorrow 21:19 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.5.1] 21:19 <@Loggers_VIII> seeya o/ 21:20 I have no real horse in this race since my brainpower's gone elsewhere lately but I'm of the opinion that not every artifact needs to be endgame viable 21:21 independent of being fun and special and interesting, every RPG to a point has the early-game weapons, the mid-game stars, the late bloomer 21:21 <@Loggers_VIII> sure, but they should also be interesting 21:22 <@Loggers_VIII> wow. trollsbane. whoopie. I can’t wait to make use of this unique, held-as-special item’s unique properties. 21:23 <@Loggers_VIII> Ogresmasher. yaaaay. can’t wait to throw this in a bag and then take it out and wield it a grand total of once when I regain from my drain to level one scheme. 21:23 <@Loggers_VIII> werebane. wow. I’m convinced people who defend this artifact don’t regularly play the video game. 21:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 4421 points, T:5071, quit 21:25 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 21:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful small mimic, on T:16 (0:00:15) 21:27 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 21:27 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +3 oilskin cloth elven helm", on T:67579 (1 day, 13:24:53) 21:28 <@Loggers_VIII> I would mention grimtooth, but no one has ever seen it so I guess it escapes judgement 21:28 <@Loggers_VIII> (and it’s okay in evil) 21:28 <@Loggers_VIII> though evil introduces keolewa to balance it publicly 21:28 <@Loggers_VIII> *luckily 21:28 <@Loggers_VIII> why you autocorrect me phone 21:29 <@Loggers_VIII> has anyone ever thought it was weird that keolewa is worse than a literal regular club of shock resistance? no, because no one plays caveman. 21:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 8 points, T:103, poisoned by a rotted human corpse 21:31 mobile and krm beg to differ 21:31 I feel Keo could be better even if I'm not as heavily down on it 21:31 <@Loggers_VIII> krm26 literally fucking despises caveman dude 21:32 okay but he's played it 21:32 :B 21:32 <@Loggers_VIII> okay yeah fair :P 21:32 <@Loggers_VIII> IT’S WORSE THAN A REGULAR CLUB OF SHOCK 21:32 far as not being down on it I don't want to come across as being spoiled, and similarly this is the sort of thing I have to sit on and consider if I earnestly wanna become a variant dev 21:34 <@Loggers_VIII> the god-forged heaven-sent artifact deals less of a shock damage bonus than a club you can cobble together from some bolts you picked up from a random gnome 21:35 yes, yes, I get it already 21:36 <@Loggers_VIII> sorry that was for me more than anyone else really 21:37 <@Loggers_VIII> as far as being spoiled, if I think there’s something off about a mechanic or something I’m gonna say so. I don’t expect anything to come of what I say usually 21:39 Umbire Debate is healthy for a game. You should be worried when no one is talking about it at all 21:39 <@Loggers_VIII> I’ll argue for it if it gets to be a topic of discussion but I think being spoiled implies thinking that you somehow deserve or are entitled to the game being exactly how you want 21:39 I'm not saying it isn't? 21:40 <@Loggers_VIII> right I’m just saying I don’t believe this so I have no issue complaining about silly stuff 21:40 not you loggers 21:41 <@Loggers_VIII> oh I’m just stupid then 21:43 nah you ain't that stupid :B 21:43 <@Loggers_VIII> hell yeah 21:45 but yeah, I'm in a weird mood atm 21:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3657 points, T:2408, killed by the Goblin King 21:45 when it improves I might sit and just brainstorm a bunch of stuff I might adjust in Evil, just on the surface where it currently stands 21:45 then actually play some fucking games 21:45 come back to it, see what holds up, what doesn't, so on 21:46 <@Loggers_VIII> yes by all means play it 21:46 loggers we'll just have to agree to disagree 21:47 i wanna code some more tonight but i'm getting sleepy 21:47 slep 21:48 Minotaur grow up into elder minotaur, right? 21:49 no 21:49 <@Loggers_VIII> there’s a guy in me who wants to say no for some reason 21:49 <@Loggers_VIII> dude I fucking knew it 21:49 Guess he is getting yeeted 21:49 grid bug. Perfect 21:49 unplayable 21:49 something something perfect enemy of good 21:50 i wonder why they dont 21:50 Feels like they should 21:50 <@Loggers_VIII> I mean, it’s in the name 21:50 <@Loggers_VIII> imanity are you speedrunning still? 21:50 You'd have to set it up in mondata.c and ensure they can reach the minimum level for that next monster form, I think? 21:50 Yes 21:50 you just add an entry to static const short grownups[][2] 21:50 also that was obliquely referencing the earlier discussion but also 90% referring to Imanity's poly shenanigans 21:50 in mondata.c 21:51 Tauri is dead, so I have 1-2 months of free time 21:51 until they have new expansion 21:51 what is tauri 21:51 WoW private server 21:51 <@Loggers_VIII> I wanna say wow thing? 21:51 <@Loggers_VIII> dude I’m on fire 21:51 oh right 21:51 xD 21:51 @Loggers_VIII what is the 3,581,342nd digit in pi 21:52 <@Loggers_VIII> 4 21:53 <@Loggers_VIII> gun to my head 21:54 nope its 2 21:54 rekt 21:54 https://www.angio.net/pi/digits.html 21:54 hah 21:54 you had a 1 in 10 chance of being correct 21:55 what is the 100 trillionth digit in pi? 21:55 hint: it's not 4 21:56 <@Loggers_VIII> 2 again 21:56 nope, 0 21:56 https://blog.google/products/google-cloud/new-digit-pi-2022/ 21:57 you are no longer on fire :P 21:58 <@Loggers_VIII> tell my family I love them… :P 21:58 lol 21:58 <@Loggers_VIII> thanks for saving me from burning to death before I shot myself though 21:58 i wouldnt joke like that :/ 22:00 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah wtf that was dark 22:01 you having a bad day? 22:01 <@Loggers_VIII> apologies I’m exhausted lately in most ways possible and as such the devil on my shoulder is getting more opportunities to influence my malleable mortal mind 22:02 get some sleep 22:02 sleep in tomorrow 22:02 no alarms 22:03 <@Loggers_VIII> a bad lot of days really :p 22:03 <@Loggers_VIII> I’ve been avoiding this channel cuz of that but I got summoned by that ping earlier and then got to yappin 22:03 <@Loggers_VIII> omg it’s the weekend 22:03 <@Loggers_VIII> well it will be 22:03 off work on friday is officially the weekend 22:03 <@Loggers_VIII> TRUE 22:05 <@Loggers_VIII> I’m gonna sleep. might not be around for a bit 22:05 <@Loggers_VIII> happy hacking all 22:05 gnite 22:11 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13308 (3:14:52) 22:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1085 (0:06:25) 22:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:2520 (0:19:59) 22:20 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed amulet of magical breathing", on T:23740 (5:09:00) 22:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2693 (0:21:45) 22:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (locusts), on T:2721 (0:22:21) 22:28 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) destroyed Vecna, on T:68601 (1 day, 14:25:26) 22:29 oof that was a spicy fight vs Vecna. I forgot to have any way to levelport or escape upstairs. Had to drag him over to the drawbridge and use that. 22:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:68683 (1 day, 14:28:41) 22:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) genocided alhoons, on T:68685 (1 day, 14:28:59) 22:36 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Woman-at-arms, on T:25029 (5:25:26) 22:57 -!- Grassy has joined #evilhack 23:01 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:04 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Fem Law) had a dwarvish bearded axe entrusted to her by Lugh, on T:17176 (3:51:32) 23:07 took kraken off the proposed druid form list, i didnt realize they arent neutral. plus they are gigantic, too big for wildshape 23:07 'huge' is supposed to be also but we have giant druids so *shrug* 23:07 switched out giant eel for electric eel 23:44 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5256 (1:28:57) 23:44 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5270 (1:29:09)