00:14 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:16 -!- krm26 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:16 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:16 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 00:31 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism by offering a rothe corpse on an altar of Lugh, on T:3685 (0:23:32) 00:33 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) had a cloak of invisibility entrusted to him by Lugh, on T:3839 (0:25:32) 00:33 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3876 (0:26:06) 00:39 [hdf-au] [evil] Unga (Cav Dwa Fem Law) averted death (poisoned by an orcish arrow), on T:8392 (1:47:31) 00:39 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) had a pair of iron gauntlets entrusted to him by Lugh, on T:4959 (0:32:06) 00:58 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:7553 (0:50:44) 01:19 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:9189 (1:11:14) 01:23 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:9568 (1:15:43) 02:09 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:35 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:35 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 02:36 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:52 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:53 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 02:54 -!- Imanity has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Dra Mal Cha) used a forge to create The Sword of Annihilation, on T:67503 (1 day, 9:23:39) 04:18 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 04:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Dra Mal Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:68410 (1 day, 9:56:25) 04:22 totally worth it lol 05:23 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:24 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 05:34 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest595 05:35 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 05:38 -!- Guest595 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:48 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:28 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 06:31 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) had a dwarvish bearded axe entrusted to him by Lugh, on T:16319 (2:37:57) 06:43 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) had a long sword entrusted to him by Lugh, on T:17493 (2:49:48) 06:48 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:49 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 06:51 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:52 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) had an iron small shield entrusted to him by Lugh, on T:18614 (2:58:57) 06:53 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:18689 (3:00:11) 06:58 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) had a small shield entrusted to him by Lugh, on T:19575 (3:04:33) 07:04 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) destroyed the invisible dbanethacker's ghost, the former Ovate, on T:20136 (3:11:04) 07:13 hi 07:13 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 07:13 K2: Messages from mobileuser and Loggers_VIII have been forwarded to you privately. 07:21 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Lugh, on T:21530 (3:27:56) 07:22 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 07:27 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 07:28 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 07:33 hi! 07:33 Hello mobileuser, Welcome to #evilhack 07:33 o/ 07:33 i got your draugr msg 07:33 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 07:33 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 07:34 ah the taming 07:34 nearly wild now 07:36 ah lol, my first demon lair has no demon boss 07:36 monster MR is still a factor 07:37 ah so that's why :-( 07:37 most likely yeah 07:37 see https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/136a1828dd33031684d1c030e284d005d9c8f4de 07:37 hard to overcome arch-lich MR 07:37 sad 07:38 it will overcome a shopkeepers MR but that's it 07:43 i do see one bit with draugr and domestic monsters i should probably address. its very minor 07:44 i wish, when forging, you got some different feedback when good/bad quality stuff happened 07:45 i also think the blacksmith hammer might as well come with 1 charge, or just be uncharged/infinite, considering the likelihood of anyone forging more than twice now is pretty low 07:45 nobody is making 5 artifacts with the new altar behavior 07:46 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:52 oh that reminds me I haven't tried dropping a poly ring in a sink yet 07:53 I probably destroyed all the sinks already anyway 07:58 krm26 the feedback bit isnt a bad idea 07:58 i'm not changing artifact generation again so soon - new changes need to play out 07:59 4 hrs ago mobileuser just forged the SoA 08:00 brb school 08:00 K2 my demon lair map, the one that is based on vanilla asmodeus, has holes in the wall 08:00 oh later! 08:03 k2: you cant feed ents. but they get hungry? #chat with one after taming: "I'm hungry." 08:11 and not asking to change artifact generation -- just think that for charges to be meaningful on blacksmith hammer with new likely forging mat generation, it should be 0:1. i think it is statistically verging on impossible to forge 5 artifacts now? (it was fairly unlikely even before the changes :-) 08:12 people can count on 1-2 forgings without getting lucky depending on role 08:13 so i think 0:1 is fairly ideal (not like anybody wouldnt trade a scroll of charging for a forged artifact anyway :-) 08:13 i think that at 0:5 it is just an unused mechanic 08:17 so mobileuser, got magicbane this game instead of angelslayer so considering making the staff as my primary weapon. but kind of feel like im guaranteed to fail, since last game i killed lucifer with disintegration and otherwise he was just tearing me a new one and wearing me like a hat. think im being stupid? i could wish for angelslayer and try a repeat. guess i could wish for secespita + angelslayer and have both.... 08:18 but you have vorpal blade? 08:18 what was fun about my last game was having to ascend wearing silver dragon scales as a cloak 08:18 no vorpal blade (had it last game) 08:18 but i havent crowned yet 08:18 so 50/50 i guess? also no finger of death 08:18 so you will have vorpal blade 08:18 no i dont think so 08:18 huh? 08:19 i think druids get finger of death half the time 08:19 which is great of course if you dont have it 08:19 but wont cut vecnas head off 08:19 i think k2 made that change live? 08:19 there is always the way of the boulder fort 08:20 almost all my vecna + lucifer kills have been from a boulder fort 08:21 ive been having a lot more trouble with those recently, both with boulders being destroyed and with weird boss behavior preventing me getting sufficient rounds in to beat their healing 08:22 i will obviously do that if that is my only avenue 08:23 <@Loggers_VIII> druids get finger of death all the time unless they’re holding one in inventory 08:23 oh, not 50/50? damn 08:23 so i shouldnt risk crowning 08:24 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah. if you really want vorpal wait to crown until you have a fod book 08:24 and then you have to carry the fod book? 08:25 <@Loggers_VIII> yes, it’s the same as for wizard or monk 08:25 how could you ever not want vorpal blade? i blow that off and i'll bet money some @npc is gonna behead me on astral 08:25 <@Loggers_VIII> meh just teleport wand them lol 08:25 like i'll even notice they have it until im dead 08:26 <@Loggers_VIII> it’s alright. I think it is underpowered in comparison to the other crowning artifact weapons 08:26 <@Loggers_VIII> at least in evil you can farlook to see what someone’s wielding 08:26 not with artifact weapons 08:27 it will just say "wielding a long sword" 08:27 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2654 (0:20:12) 08:27 plus with the changes to artifact availability, getting vorpal instead of finger of death permits ithilmar. you can poly or write (or find) finger of death, much less likely to stumble onto vorpal 08:28 <@Loggers_VIII> yes, it’s true that vorpal could be potentially unattainable where fod is always available 08:28 i gotta play a knight next so i can have an ithilmar mount 08:29 the change to its forging makes it super-desirable even with the artifact availability nerf 08:29 <@Loggers_VIII> I just don’t like vorpal really unless I have another weapon to back it up when it sucks (approximately 95% of the time :)) 08:29 <@Loggers_VIII> wait, is there a new ithilmar recipe? 08:29 yes! 08:29 dramborleg + vorpal 08:29 kicks BUTT 08:30 <@Loggers_VIII> hrm so not as hard as before 08:30 yup, just two artifacts, and neither one super-desirable for endgame 08:30 <@Loggers_VIII> it’s annoying that it’s two artifacts of different alignment though 08:30 yeah 08:30 <@Loggers_VIII> plus if you’re not lawful or dwarf you can’t pick up dramborleg lol 08:30 although, with the changes, not really? you're always gonna have to wish up a 2nd artifact these days, statistically 08:30 he changed that too loggers 08:31 now you just get blasted 08:31 <@Loggers_VIII> oh cool! 08:31 yup 08:31 <@Loggers_VIII> okay yeah that’s a nice recipe then 08:31 so neutral, with crowning + 1 wish you can make ithilmar 08:31 and sword of annihilation will still exist all the time, since it is just vecna + 1 wish 08:32 while anything else may end up 2 wishes except for certain roles (i.e. wizard magicbane + 1 wish) 08:34 so now that i have the castle wand i guess i need to save it until i can get to kathryn's altar and see what i can squeeze for my only other artifact 08:35 k2: pls pls pls with all these woodland creatures, more monster types need different #chat responses for hungry/unhappy 08:36 i dont expect gelcubes to #chat with information about their hunger, but my grizzly bear and deer should 08:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:332 (0:01:52) 08:39 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Elf Fem Neu) had a spellbook of freeze sphere given to her by Silvanus, on T:78935 (1 day, 9:20:45) 08:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Dra Mal Cha) killed the invisible Mephistopheles, on T:70616 (1 day, 12:04:03) 08:52 I had a balrog with angelslayer, so no wish required :-) 08:52 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:5419 (0:45:43) 08:54 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Elf Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:80685 (1 day, 9:35:01) 08:55 lucky! 08:56 so k2, meatballs make pet loyalty management reasonably achievable for meat-eating pets; you can do the same thing with pegasi/herbies by kicking lots and lots and lots of trees. wouldnt it be cool if... :-) 08:57 druids had a spell that made trees in an area of effect barf up their fruit (in a nonviolent, 0-kicking, nature respecting way) 08:57 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:57 or if druids could #chat a tree and it would peacefully give up its fruit <-------- 09:00 i also wish there was a way to feed your mount without dismounting 09:00 i.e. to give it a treat to jack loyalty 09:00 or convince it to eat an eye or whatever 09:00 -- like, dropping a proper comestible when riding counts as throwing it to them 09:01 or allow t)hrowing > 09:07 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:08 TIL weredemons can be killed by touch of death and by sickness 09:08 not very demon-like 09:09 weakened by lycanthropy 09:10 anyway they arent real demons, they are dogs with a disease that turns them into demons when the moon is full 09:10 but yeah that has always been true and is weird and prolly wrong 09:12 k2: when at your pet cap, chatting to a woodland creature, you can get it to agree to help you but its status does not change (not even becoming peaceful) 09:12 huh, 2nd time it became peaceful. maybe i miskeyed or something 09:16 okayyyy...i now have 7 pets from druid chatting with an 18 charisma 09:17 unplayable 09:18 i mean, if the intent is for woodland creatures to not count against the cap, i think that is fine. but prolly just a #chat-charm oversight 09:29 Oh no, she's using the touch of death!  The weredemon is unaffected. 09:29 OK baffled 09:30 another one was actually killed that way 09:32 oops i thought i could try kathryn but i forgot that i cant have both mr and acid resistance right now. dammit! 09:33 i guess it is FAIRLY safe to go in without mr... until she summons a lich right next to me 09:33 and i bet she'll be rowdy today while she is celebrating her victory 09:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:361 (0:01:44) 09:42 go in without mr? she has better spells than a lich 09:43 but she isnt gonna cast death magic at range if i keep my distance 09:43 anyway i gave up :-) 09:47 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:41995 (10:44:03) 09:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Dra Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:71301 (1 day, 12:45:10) 09:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Dra Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:71302 (1 day, 12:45:24) 09:53 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:53 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 09:56 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Elf Fem Neu) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:82328 (1 day, 10:37:05) 10:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 3336 points, T:2850, killed by a water moccasin 10:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Dra Mal Cha) wished for "cursed -2 Sunsword", on T:71469 (1 day, 12:54:56) 10:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:612 (0:03:43) 10:05 lol krm26 I totally forgot the second artish comes with an owner 10:05 ohhhh so dangerous 10:05 you survived tho! 10:05 that was nearly instadeath (I'm not safe yet) 10:05 yeah, i guess draugrs need that important wish from inside a boulder fort :-) 10:06 thank you for making that error, or i am sure i would have died to it my next draugr run! 10:08 heh 10:08 killed him with a wand of death 10:10 ah he had a tinning kit 10:10 bit late in the game, but still 10:11 now I can try a cursed tinning kit for SCIENCE 10:11 change in 0.9.0 if you wish for a quest artifact, it will 100% come with its owner, every time 10:13 k2, i suspect that when a pet kills a wraith on a graveyard level it leaves a corpse more frequently than it should 10:14 or that is where all my rng luck goes each game, which i guess makes sense if it has to go somewhere :-) 10:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2504 (0:15:04) 10:16 wraith corpse % chance didnt change 10:17 hmm 10:17 oh, another druid @npc wearing metal garb 10:17 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 791 points, T:1158, killed by a mountain dwarf 10:17 (metal helm of speed) 10:17 K2 I didn't get an owner with my first wish 10:17 wut 10:17 quest artifact 10:17 not regular 10:17 ah 10:18 my second wish was not a quest artifact 10:18 chance of owner in that case? 10:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:2738 (0:18:30) 10:18 same as before 10:19 right 10:23 tortle wizard, yay! that should mean an "mr 10:24 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:25 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 10:26 <@Loggers_VIII> krm26 if a pet kills a wraith in graveyard it has normal corpse drop chance 10:26 ok. then i am just hella lucky 10:26 <@Loggers_VIII> no, I mean *normal* corpse drop chance 10:26 because i got 7 wraith corpses just truding through the valley letting my dragon kill or engulf wraiths 10:26 OH 10:27 oh oh oh 10:27 ok 10:27 well, i think that is bad 10:27 graveyard chance should be poor regardless of how the wraith was killed 10:27 <@Loggers_VIII> yep agreed 10:27 that is vanilla then? never knew that 10:28 <@Loggers_VIII> that is vanilla. probably it hasn’t been changed because it’s super niche and not many people know about it 10:28 that should not be changed 10:29 you've known about that mobileuser? i lost altars, it is only fair you lose something to :-) 10:29 it's a lot more cumbersome to lure wraiths if you have pets 10:29 well, that is true. basically impossible 10:29 I lost altars too :-) 10:29 you can park them, but if you are a pacifist the change would really hose you 10:29 have there been pacifist evil ascensions? 10:29 <@Loggers_VIII> no 10:29 <@Loggers_VIII> oh I should resume attempting that now 10:30 btw "normal" drop chance is not strictly true 10:30 i feel like i could do one except i wouldnt be able to do the mandatory lucifer kill 10:30 it's better for pets but not like normal 10:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Dru Hum Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed fixed eye of the aethiopica", on T:42222 (12:07:47) 10:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Dru Hum Mal Neu) killed Neferet the Green, on T:42226 (12:08:24) 10:31 <@Loggers_VIII> how’s it different from normal 10:32 the wiki knows :-) 10:33 <@shrigis> Just had the "rightful owner" spawn on my first artifact wish, is that intentional? 10:33 yes 10:33 see backscroll :-) 10:33 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 10:34 Loggers_VIII  "1⁄6 if killed by anything else" says wiki 10:35 compared to 1⁄18 chance if killed by the player 10:46 interesting 10:47 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 342667 points, T:29339, killed by a fell beast, while praying 10:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 8 arrows on an altar, on T:6516 (0:49:46) 10:50 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:3180 (0:32:41) 10:56 <@shrigis> The one ring should aggravate wraiths 10:56 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Dru Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:42717 (12:33:34) 10:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Dru Hum Mal Neu) genocided alhoons, on T:42721 (12:34:05) 10:59 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3682 (0:42:14) 11:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Dru Hum Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:42784 (12:36:35) 11:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Dru Hum Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:42784 (12:36:42) 11:01 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3797 (0:44:14) 11:11 <@shrigis> Every time i wildshape the eye blasts me 11:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 11731 points, T:7585, killed by a dark elven watch captain 11:15 it's one million percent inconsistent in every way what makes you retouch stuff for blasting purposes, just roll with it 11:15 yup, you're changing form. retouch objects in inv comes into play 11:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a potion of extra healing on an altar, on T:4652 (0:58:17) 11:15 and its not inconsistent 11:16 dude permaconverting makes you retouch stuff but things that would facilitate you actually touching the item (like dropping it) don't 11:16 total crapshoot 11:17 dropping it? you're already touching it 11:17 if you're going to apply that logic then wielding/equipping shouldn't blast because you were already touching the item by carrying it 11:18 I think contracting lycanthropy might do it? I'm not sure 11:18 it's weird 11:18 you want me to make it worse? because if you think it should blast you for dropping it, that would make it worse 11:18 all I said is that it's inconsistent and why :P 11:18 anywho - this beahvior is vanilla nethack code. i havent messed with how that works 11:19 food time bbl 11:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Dru Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:44662 (12:57:43) 11:29 hah, i thought i was ready to try kathryn with this amulet of mr i got, so i of course stumble into three ice traps and now i have 0% frost resistance 11:29 never found a tinning kit, so it is gonna take me a while to cram all this flesh into my mouth 11:31 gold detection or secret door detection or detect unseen seem like reasonable suggestions for ice queen nowadays 11:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Dru Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:45205 (13:10:54) 11:39 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Elf Fem Neu) became Silvanus' Envoy of Balance, on T:84644 (1 day, 12:20:12) 11:40 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:5887 (1:22:56) 11:50 no kidding 11:50 i just never remember 11:51 and even once i know where they are of course i'll still step on them 11:51 i need a paranoid flag so that every step i take it says "Are you actually paying attention to what you're doing? [y/n]" 11:59 <@shrigis> Ur telling me artifacts are supposed to blast you when polymorphing? 11:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Dru Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:46577 (13:36:14) 11:59 only cross-aligned/cross-quest stuff 12:00 <@shrigis> Also why is the wand of orcus fully identified? 12:01 ive wondered that myself 12:01 i guess its reputation precedes it 12:02 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:02 it was before you could use it 12:02 the wand of orcus 12:03 i suppose that's not really needed anymore, the auto ID 12:04 @shrigis - https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Artifact_blast 12:05 <@shrigis> Yeah cross aligned artifacts blast you when you touch them i know that 12:05 quest artifacts that arent your will always blast you 12:05 *yours 12:06 <@shrigis> All im saying is that polymorphing yourself does not involve touching the artifact 12:06 technically it does. and the check is there for more than just artifact reasons 12:06 if you're not happy with that behavior, feel free to log an issue with the nethack devteam 12:07 yeah that retouch on form change is old vanilla 12:09 hey k2, did you want to prevent crowning unless the altar is unfractured, and fracture the altar on crowning too, cuz of the crowning gift? :-) 12:11 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Elf Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:87130 (1 day, 12:52:08) 12:11 ooooh decisions 12:11 i can do purity + sota now 12:12 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 12:13 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 12:14 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:15 hmm 12:15 i dunno 12:15 crowning is special 12:15 i dunno if i want to mess with that 12:16 I noticed I could crown on a fractured altar a while ago but avoided mentioning it because I thought it might be changed 12:16 yeah i was just trying to get loggers in trouble :-) 12:17 maybe something like: crowning wont fracture an altar, but you cant get crowned on an altar that is already fractured 12:17 I would be more receptive to that if you could tell your god 'don't give me an artifact', because in trying to get luck for crowning you often get a gift and thus fracture your altar 12:18 but it's probably ok 12:18 i was just stirring up trouble! personally i dont think crowning needs any special interaction with the new fracturing business 12:19 that change would encourage using unicorns for luck more but I don't really like that cuz coaligned unicorns are far from guaranteed 12:19 oh thank god i remembered purity suck for druids before i forged anything 12:20 oh right no casting lol 12:20 so i guess just another wasted artifact, oh well 12:20 in the trash it goes 12:23 lol 12:23 drama 12:28 i must say i am unhappy that gauntlets of purity are non-druid 12:29 my druids are very very sad about their pw regen rate 12:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Dru Hum Mal Neu) killed Graz'zt, on T:47682 (14:06:43) 12:30 it is unfortunate that the only method of improving it that doesn't require a wish makes casting downright impossible 12:33 druid power regen rate is same as a priest 12:33 so is its growth rate 12:33 its decent 12:34 yeah which is terrible (I left out priest because they get the hat invoke for pw management) 12:34 wow 12:34 the growth is great, Regen is bad 12:34 idk why my computer capitalized regen 12:34 well... get used to disappointment I guess? 12:34 maybe you should play druid lol 12:34 :) 12:35 omg i've played more druid that all of you bitches put together 12:35 well, *ahem* 12:35 yes even you 12:35 nethackscoreboard or it goes with your canadian girlfriend k2! 12:36 hey... that's uncalled for 12:36 if in the mid-game you as a druid are not annoyed with your pw regen rate you must not be casting very much 12:36 i cant help it she lives in Saskatchewan! 12:36 especially if you want to use finger of death more than once in a blue moon :p 12:36 i dont cast at all during the early midgame except for entangle and barkskin, because ive never had any other spells to cast until lategame :-) 12:37 and even with just those spells i am frequently out of mana 12:37 plop barkskin and healing along with other utility spells etc and it really adds up 12:37 i had to wish for the eye to be able to cast during the ascension run 12:37 false 12:37 cast *as often* 12:38 get it right 12:38 and dont make fun of my Saskatchewan gf 12:38 barkskin is cool and actually a good spell but to be able to use it regularly you gotta devote like your whole pw storate to it lol 12:38 *storage 12:39 Loggers_VIII its only 10 pw to cast it 12:39 ya but you want it on a lot 12:39 because you are squishy druid 12:39 you'll regen than back faster than it'll wear off 12:39 when you are high skill it lasts a long time 12:40 does repeat casting stack duration? 12:40 haha, i just almost evaporated vorpal blade by mistake 12:40 or does it just replenish duration 12:40 maybe you all need a reminder - this is EvilHack. it's hard. druids are powerful but it's not an easy ride to become powerful. if you want easy, there are other games to play 12:40 now i have a +8 vorpal blade. first time i've ever had a weapon above +7! 12:41 time to cancellation by beholder: probably 100 turns 12:41 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Koeranen's ghost, the former Trailblazer, on T:6585 (2:03:34) 12:41 cuz sitting around spamming 500 wait to regen pw in a locked room is difficult? :p 12:42 krm26: I did that in one of my earlier druid games too :) 12:45 ftr, none of my grievances with evilhack will ever come from it being too difficult. frustration often just comes from annoyance or tedium 12:45 or balance, I guess 12:46 for example, I think that druid should probably get increasing buffs from standing on grass that scale with level or something, because create grass, while fun, isn't really that good. does that make the game easier? sure. am I suggesting that because I think evilhack is too difficult? *no* 12:47 you already get buffs for standing on grass 12:48 yes, I am aware. I said 'increasing buffs that scale with level or something' 12:48 my herbivorous pets hunger for automatic grass consumption 12:48 its on the to-do 12:48 my tree pets hunger too 12:48 which is weird 12:49 "I am hungry, but K2 won't feed me!" they say 12:49 the buffs are not really worth anything past very early game, HP regen ramps up pretty quick and +2 damage to wooden weapons is obviously powercliffed considering it's a flat, low damage bonus 12:49 hey i'll take a free +2 damage with staff of the archmagi any day 12:49 I mean, I like making the dungeon green and for that reason I like create grass a lot, but for others I don't think it's that good :P 12:50 also random but the starting scimitar ought to be wooden for druid 12:50 if i am standing on grass and throw a wooden aklys and it hits a monster not on grass, do i get the bonus? 12:50 that's a good question. probably? 12:50 you dont want a wood scimitar 12:50 <@shrigis> Evilhack still has that iconic "you feel cold" message for when a bolt of cold hits a door... 12:50 wooden edged/piercing weapons that arent elven get a -1 to damage 12:51 yeah but druid get a wood damage bonus that cancels it out no? 12:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Dru Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:48451 (14:27:37) 12:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Dru Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:48452 (14:27:41) 12:51 well it'd make it +1 vs +2 12:51 and then create grass has more use for scimitar druid 12:51 up to you if you wanna make a wooden scimatr - you can 12:51 not to interrupt but K2, did you see the recent commits re: mitre of holiness and its fire resistance 12:51 uh yeah with a level 5 spell that I have to pray pray pray rng feels fit to bless upon me 12:51 Umbire i did 12:52 wasn't sure if you encountered any mention of that not working so 12:52 druid don't just get knowledge of the evocation spells, stoneskin and change metal to wood I have seen once and create elemental never 12:52 in a loooooooooot of games 12:53 I think there should be some mechanic that makes roles more likely to get spellbooks that fit their specialty 12:53 either from gods or the ground 12:53 What do you want to zap? [i or ?*] i In what direction? 2 The door freezes and shatters! 12:53 (wizard obviously is fine already cuz they know everything) 12:53 i'm not getting 'you feel cold' when a bolt of cold hits a door 12:55 same when i use cold breath attack 12:57 krm26, ents dont eat 12:57 'You can survive without having to eat.' 12:58 they are inediate 12:58 feedback just needs to be adjusted 12:58 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3242 (0:22:10) 12:59 <@hackemslashem> K2: I believe you only see that message when the door is shattered out of sight 12:59 ^ 12:59 also hi, haven't seen you in your variant channel 13:00 right k2, but if i #chat to a pet ent, it tells me it is hungry 13:00 <@hackemslashem> I've been busy in the dev shed 🙂 13:00 [12:58] <@K2> feedback just needs to be adjusted 13:00 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:45868 (11:47:02) 13:00 I can see thst 13:00 that* 13:00 <@shrigis> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/0203a1afa05004e28858821856c3973656debf28/src/zap.c#L6024 13:01 yeah @hackemslashem is correct 13:01 so @shrigis what's the issue exactly? 13:02 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6/src/zap.c#L4637 13:03 <@shrigis> It's in the code 13:03 <@shrigis> https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/ce617ba79896e86c635bf2fe8584ecb0b5dda564 13:03 i see 13:03 that actually reminds me to add a couple lines somewhere 13:04 @shrigis in the future, instead of complaining. maybe point out that there's a different way that event is expressed 13:05 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:4007 (0:28:40) 13:07 to be fair he was pointing out the line where it was present in the code 13:07 yup. and to be fair there's better ways to get your suggestions across 13:07 could've been clearer though 13:07 in any case noted some fire messages on the appropriate article 13:07 bro literally pointed out the exact spot with the problem lol who cares 13:08 ok 13:08 honestly there's still a half-ton of messages I need to find for that 13:08 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3002 (1:00:10) 13:08 fire messages? 13:08 like, getting hit by fire or what 13:09 Loggers_VIII between you and krm26 ramping up the complaining to levels i'm not used to handling, to shrigis being his typical rude asshole self, i've about had it 13:09 <@hackemslashem> Lol, that's also why I've taken a break from IRC 😛 13:09 i cant afford a break though, i have other responsibilities 13:10 <@shrigis> Lots of toxic people on here yes 13:10 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) consumed animal products (fortune cookie) for the first time, on T:4817 (0:33:37) 13:10 <@hackemslashem> 😦 You have my support K2 13:10 you'd know shrigis 13:10 getting hit by fire, stuff getting hit by fire, etc. 13:10 <@hackemslashem> dev hug 13:10 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a magical gnarled staff on an altar, on T:3552 (1:01:56) 13:10 did you get the msg for burning slime off yourself 13:10 or the one for fire lighting candles 13:10 s/candles/a light source 13:10 not yet, like I said, bunch of those to cover 13:11 I'm still in the midst of my player monster kick 13:11 ah gotcha 13:11 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4957 (0:34:53) 13:11 the convo just reminded me to note a few real quick before I get sucked back into that 13:11 <@shrigis> Btw forgot to ask earlier, how come cursed monster detection does not wake up orcus, but cursed invincibility does? 13:12 I think it's a flagging thing where the latter like 13:12 specifically aborts meditating state 13:12 also while I don't think shrigis was being rude in this particular instance overall there I have been silently worrying about the amount of 'complaints' being fielded lately but I was at a loss on pointing it out without myself being similarly, unduly snappish 13:13 s/there/ 13:14 re: alerting monsters, I think meditating isn't considered the same sleep/paralysis/etc. 13:14 they're up and at 'em, just waiting for you to show yourself 13:16 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:16 I'm still here being a dork. I hope that helps! 13:18 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased + dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:6795 (2:12:37) 13:18 lol oops 13:19 sorry k2! i havent meant to be dishing out complaints, ill quiet down 13:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Elf Fem Neu) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:87448 (1 day, 14:04:22) 13:23 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had a staff of war entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:46611 (12:06:21) 13:24 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:6857 (0:47:49) 13:24 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6862 (0:47:52) 13:25 part of being a game dev is learning to accept criticism or feedback on aspects of your work that people have issues with. I have been nothing but clear and reasonably respectful with my feedback and have always offered constructive solutions or ideas that I consider reasonable and fitting within evilhack's design. I for one get quite annoyed when 13:25 genuine, non-hostile effort to provide constructive feedback is met with a dismissive attitude that reactionarily categorizes me as 'whining', 'complaining', or spews genuinely obtuse accusations of expressing a need for evilhack to be made less difficult, or be pushed further from the core design philosophy. I love this game as much as any other 13:25 frequent player, and have expressed as such many times. a lot of discussion and suggestion of change has been levied at druid because it's a very large, multifaceted addition to the game which only recently came out. it's only natural that there's been an inordinate amount of suggestions and feedback, and it's coming from the people who enjoy your 13:25 game the most and who only want to see it improve. 13:25 ...with that essay, i'll take my whining elsewhere for the meantime :P 13:26 -!- Loggers_VIII has left #evilhack 13:26 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:7021 (2:20:27) 13:26 oh come on, it is hard to take even constructive criticism when it is relentless, loggers 13:26 and it is ez for the back-and-forth to get acrimonious 13:27 annnd i typed too slowly 13:27 what the both of you are saying is true to varying degrees 13:27 also it helps that when you type paragraphs in IRC it delivers piecemeal like that generally 13:27 some clients do that so you don't trip like, flood sensors and shit 13:27 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 17803 points, T:7135, killed by a horned devil of Moloch 13:27 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:28 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:28 doesn't help my client botches timestamps slightly due to the shit battery here 13:29 can't say there wasn't what I might term "whining" but similarly a majority of the recent feedback was pretty relatively constructive - same token, even that can slide into sounding more frustrated than it really is, compounded by the volume 13:29 as krm noted 13:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2086 (0:04:32) 13:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:2382 (0:06:09) 13:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Elf Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (shocking spheres), on T:87674 (1 day, 14:16:06) 13:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "Loggers Wuz Here >:33", on T:3026 (0:09:07) 13:38 pf 13:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Dra Mal Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:71753 (1 day, 13:22:01) 13:44 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 8325 points, T:6243, killed by a gnome lord 13:55 <@shrigis> Are there any plans to update the encyclopedia? It still doesn't have bracers of the first circle on there, good thing at least the orb of fate is still on there 13:55 <@shrigis> Gonna wish for it next 13:56 Probably on the top 13:56 todo* 13:56 I can find the commit in a moment 13:58 stoning resistance and telepathy while carried, don't interfere with spellcasting while worn, can be invoked for taming 13:58 at a quick glance 13:59 dont wish for orb of fate shrigis! 13:59 it does not exist in evilhack 13:59 gjallar replaces it 13:59 that also 13:59 @shrigis 13:59 (and is awesome) 14:00 lets you wake vecna from the stairs 14:00 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Elf Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 secespita", on T:90294 (1 day, 14:41:37) 14:00 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 625 points, T:1766, killed by the Goblin King 14:01 omigod wrested! 14:01 "Blowing the horn will wake up any sleeping monsters on that level, and its scare radius is larger than that a regular tooled horn. Any monsters directly adjacent to the player when they use Gjallar have a 20% chance of being briefly stunned, and any non-Valkyrie players using it may become temporarily deaf." 14:01 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Elf Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide t-shirt of decay", on T:90295 (1 day, 14:42:14) 14:01 retains warning and half physical damage while carried, along with I think the levelport invoke 14:01 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (elves), on T:1 (0:00:14) 14:01 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 14:02 per the evil article 14:02 also still a luckstone 14:02 also still a luckstone, yes 14:02 oh hah i was so excited but the castle wand is 1:2 isn't it, not 1:1 :-) 14:03 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 57 points, T:353, killed by a water moccasin 14:03 BUT i STILL wrested omigod omigod 14:05 there's a few Evil QAs including Gjallar that don't have articles yet, I do plan to get on that 14:05 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Elf Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +3 fixed oilskin toque", on T:90304 (1 day, 14:46:35) 14:05 but there's also just a ton to update in general, for Evil and vanilla and pretty much everything 14:06 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:737 (0:03:13) 14:07 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1228 points, T:885, killed by an arrow 14:07 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Elf Fem Neu) used a forge to create The Staff of the Archmagi, on T:90648 (1 day, 14:48:19) 14:11 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 356 points, T:944, killed by Mr. Boyabai; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 14:11 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:20, burned by molten lava 14:18 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 246 points, T:1028, killed by Mr. Iskenderun; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 14:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Elf Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:91926 (1 day, 15:02:42) 14:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Elf Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:91948 (1 day, 15:03:08) 14:26 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:1298 (0:07:19) 14:26 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:1517 (0:10:14) 14:26 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2334 points, T:1696, killed by a piranha 14:29 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1661 (0:10:58) 14:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5169 (0:18:34) 14:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:5487 (0:19:57) 14:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:5497 (0:20:07) 14:32 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10838 (3:19:45) 14:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Silvanus, on T:5595 (0:22:03) 14:33 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) became Silvanus' Envoy of Balance, on T:11815 (0:37:50) 14:54 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism by consulting with the human priestess of Ptah, on T:4800 (0:35:51) 14:58 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:12129 (3:46:10) 15:00 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:5324 (0:41:27) 15:00 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5339 (0:41:50) 15:05 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 6356 points, T:6308, killed by a drow raider 15:17 alright, done with my player monster nonsense for the time being 15:17 food break followed by some evil artis 15:24 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Dru Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3097 (0:24:37) 15:27 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:47905 (12:42:57) 15:28 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 crystal plate mail", on T:47906 (12:43:56) 15:31 krm26, Werebane's still silver I assume? 15:35 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Dru Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3972 (0:35:26) 15:36 gonna run a check myself, just hoped he wasn't afk/too focused 15:37 yep, silver 15:44 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1489 (0:06:06) 15:46 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Dru Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5075 (0:45:33) 15:52 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu), 19244 points, T:12134, killed by a gas spore's explosion 15:53 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 2363 points, T:2860, killed by an elven watchman 15:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:940 (0:02:22) 15:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu), 795 points, T:1055, killed by the Goblin King 16:01 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had a staff of escape entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:9005 (1:10:40) 16:04 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had a quarterstaff entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:10093 (1:13:55) 16:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu), 845 points, T:1820, killed by a magic missile 16:07 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had a magical purple spellbook given to him by Anhur, on T:10685 (1:16:44) 16:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu), 707 points, T:2112, killed by the Goblin King 16:17 sorry umbire, was away...i never update my status as i am super-lazy 16:18 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 16:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a stag, on T:4875 (0:10:13) 16:31 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 16:33 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Xiuhcoatl 16:34 Graz'zt 16:34 I had a feeling it would be 16:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Dra Mal Cha) killed Graz'zt, on T:72002 (1 day, 13:44:15) 16:42 DIRGE 16:42 \o/ 16:48 sweet rogue weapon 16:48 AND you cant get a spring-loaded graz'zt from lucifer 16:48 graz'zt is the best final boss (unless you get to actually skin tiamat) 16:52 dirge/annihilation double wield, yum 16:59 yeah that is a killing machine all right 16:59 rogues are just craycray 17:18 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/The_Striped_Shirt_of_Liberation 17:18 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Gjallar 17:22 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Dra Mal Cha) genocided alhoons, on T:72233 (1 day, 14:00:59) 17:35 I got tiamat and the scales dropped last run. Total game changer 17:41 krm26: I had SoA ripped out of my hands once and picked up by a &. Too scary for me 18:22 !tell K2 I am fixing the AD_SGLD owornmask bug in xnethack and thanks for providing the evilhack fix, but that fix looks like it's reimplementing much of extract_from_minvent? Why not just replace it with that? 18:22 Will do, aosdict! 18:29 -!- Guest87 has joined #evilhack 18:30 yeah bouquet, that is why we need to lobby k2 for allowing us to genocide bullwhips :-) 18:30 i try to never let a bullwhip-wielding demon/archaeologist stand next to me 18:32 aw fuck me, I need to check against Hack'EM 3.6 owner odds for artifact wishes 18:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Rog Dro Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4067 (0:45:23) 18:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "wand", on T:7893 (0:13:59) 18:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Silvanus, on T:7936 (0:14:39) 18:38 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 18:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:8080 (0:15:42) 18:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu), 4561 points, T:8354, killed by an Uruk-hai 18:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu), 1171 points, T:1877, killed by a rabid rat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 18:45 -!- Guest87 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:46 aosdict yeah that could work 18:46 K2: Message from aosdict at 2025-02-04 18:22 EST: I am fixing the AD_SGLD owornmask bug in xnethack and thanks for providing the evilhack fix, but that fix looks like it's reimplementing much of extract_from_minvent? Why not just replace it with that? 18:46 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:58059 (15:43:29) 18:46 hmm, somehow I forgot a variant section for the ol' Eye 18:47 Also need to get Druid QA article going 18:48 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:58203 (15:45:33) 18:51 Umbire the quest leader appearing every time when a quest artifact is wished for is new for evilhack 0.9.0 18:51 hackem probably still has it as a chance 18:51 Yeah that's the thing I realized 18:52 while in the midst of updating all that stuff 18:53 ooof 18:57 extra typing...... 18:57 * Umbire disintegrates 19:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6011 (1:10:51) 19:00 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:59120 (15:57:32) 19:01 oh good, elron's game is alright 19:02 thanks for the save K2 19:02 elron: Message from K2 at 2025-02-02 23:46 EST: game is recovered, but lemme know how it goes. crash created an emergency save, not sure how it will behave 19:02 o/ 19:02 you've found a lot of altars this game 19:03 games fine; got some messages about badly placed objects on the map when I restarted, but I exited the level, saved and returned thereafter.  All good 19:03 2 altars to go 19:03 hrm 19:04 if you get keolewa, you could forge harbinger 19:04 That's what I'm angling for, but we'll see 19:04 :) 19:04 you'd be the first to do it 19:07 The recharged castle wand was an unexpected surprise. 19:09 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:59817 (16:06:14) 19:10 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:12 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:60007 (16:09:16) 19:13 elron yeah that's one of the significant changes to 0.9.0 19:13 do you want to be spoiled or just figure it out as you go? there's more to it 19:13 One of many -- good stuff though :) 19:13 :) 19:13 nay I'm good to go on my own 19:13 kk 19:15 i'm not seeing how the magic key would not spawn on the mimics mines' end level 19:17 there are seven areas where gemstones spawn, it rotates so it's never the same each game 19:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Rog Dro Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:7176 (1:27:44) 19:17 $place[0] through $place[6] 19:17 [6] is always empty 19:17 and that's where i put the buried chest with the magic key 19:18 unless... 19:18 random obj spawn on same spot maybe? 19:18 EvilHack Commits: Fix: domestic undead pets wary of Draugr. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/ad1835a1d98673710d01978e338cf2541239da65 19:19 or random trap 19:20 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide bracers of decay", on T:49862 (1 day, 0:55:16) 19:27 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 19:27 well, spilled some soup I was bringing upstairs so I'm actually upset now lol 19:29 :( 19:35 i've loaded up a bunch of mines end levels, including mimic of the mines 19:35 magic key has always been there 19:36 so has the luckstone 19:36 the buried chest/magic key will always be in the spot that gemstones arent 19:36 hmm 19:40 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:50288 (1 day, 1:14:55) 19:41 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:63398 (16:38:24) 19:41 Well, well, well ... 19:42 oh my 19:44 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:19867 (5:57:36) 19:51 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu) used a forge to create Harbinger, on T:63761 (16:48:03) 19:58 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:63895 (16:55:33) 20:07 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) became Odin's Envoy of Balance, on T:20704 (6:20:10) 20:12 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:65109 (17:09:31) 20:41 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 20:48 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.3.1] 20:54 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:54 damn 20:54 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 20:54 which artifact did you use on kathryn, elron? 20:55 Combo fireballs and Harbinger 20:57 heh 20:57 EvilHack Commits: Adjust random spawn odds for evocation spellbooks. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/4cc01668d34f9f26914c791fccbd8e43d390bdc1 21:00 K2 - are you caught up with the Druid crowned with +FoD gets the longsword skill unlocked bug? 21:02 isnt that the same behavior with wizard though? 21:02 and yeah i'm aware 21:03 It is, I believe the bug is the "unlocking longsword" part 21:03 would have thought attack spell unlocked makes more sense, otherwise the spellbook is kinda useless 21:03 though I'm very likely to be misunderstanding 21:03 FoD is no longer an attack class spell 21:04 it falls under evocation now 21:04 well, well, well :) 21:04 elron see https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/500c64ccd232e5a3d29599a1bc874637d330d87e 21:04 how does power word kill behave? 21:05 read the link i just posted 21:05 then yeah the bug is just the longsword-unlocking deal 21:06 wow, power word kill still doing significant damage to magic resistant targets makes that spell huge 21:06 neeto 21:06 lets you cursor target, pretty big 21:06 EvilHack Commits: Replace awful "You feel cold" message for freezing a door you can't see. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/cf6a45bdc3baeeaccba082302ba41c4c77d93aa7 21:07 i gotta set aside time to update the wiki proper concerning druid and their spells and everything else 21:07 yeah, the targeting is nice, although short range 21:08 least I can do is lighten that load a bit 21:08 on which note 21:08 need to hurry with this small set of things I'm on rn 21:10 i'm looking at nethack 3.7 to see if you get long sword skill unlokced when getting the spellbook (wizard) 21:14 ok this is not a bug 21:14 the comment left by the devteam even states as such 21:14 ./* acquire Vorpal Blade's skill regardless of weapon or gift */ 21:15 so... enjoy 21:18 Huh™ 21:18 fascinating 21:20 honestly I've pondered skill unlocks via sacrifice or prayer as a YANI 21:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had a pair of low boots entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:8428 (2:36:18) 21:28 ooo, create trees, never seen that before 21:29 as in in-game? 21:29 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 22106 points, T:14644, killed by a bolt of lightning 21:29 yup 21:30 been polypiling for evocation spellbooks 21:31 cool 21:31 odds for those spellbooks appearing will go up some after i patch next 21:32 they are pretty infrequent 21:32 any other class get a reasonable skill in evocation? ranger maybe? 21:33 wizards can get to skilled 21:33 ranger and monk i think get to basic 21:33 here - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/b84a776bd7b04561ed63e274d1309c2b8521b21c 21:41 hey krm26 remember this one? https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack#L13 21:44 what seemed to be a minor bug is actually a very severe one 21:44 i just kicked down a dead tree that was on the upstairs on dlvl 1. guess what just went away? 21:45 technically the stairs are still there, but the glyph is gone 21:47 i need to make it so that if the space an ent or tree blight etc dies on is on the stairs or a portal, etc, they dont leave a dead tree corpse behind 21:47 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2224 (0:14:12) 21:48 or even better, only if the space they die on is room/grass/sand 21:58 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:08 !who 22:08 K2: [hdf-us] fionnuala [evil] splungetoo [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 22:12 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) rejected atheism by offering a gnomish wizard corpse on an altar of Amaterasu Omikami, on T:5869 (0:39:16) 22:12 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:5869 (0:39:16) 22:14 <@Umbyre (he/him)> hm 22:14 <@Umbyre (he/him)> oh the bridge doesn't pick up forwarded messages lmao 22:14 <@Umbyre (he/him)> anyway neat MTG card a friend landed 22:14 <@Umbyre (he/him)> > Nabbed a Sauron precon today & this was one of the foils in the pack wt it 22:15 <@Umbyre (he/him)> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204191497331810338/1336535265912684634/a8ad1892-6df0-4d2f-82f8-cac4b1fbef72.jpg?ex=67a428f7&is=67a2d777&hm=8d241f7fc41c582334c48ae1ee75d8d671587c165184b97a8bc2f8b9faa5e081& 22:15 EvilHack Commits: Fix: only allow dead tree 'corpses' to form on room/grass/sand tiles. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/f8ef07c3133dad96cb6efdfae96fdf49192aa3b1 22:16 link no longer available 22:17 @Umbyre (he/him) 22:18 oh that's stupid 22:18 <@Umbyre (he/him)> probably because I copied from the forwarded message I removed 22:18 <@Umbyre (he/him)> try this 22:18 <@Umbyre (he/him)> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204191497331810338/1336536456386187405/a8ad1892-6df0-4d2f-82f8-cac4b1fbef72.png?ex=67a42a12&is=67a2d892&hm=3c4fdf522d723ac4a5a297188637746db520dd33ebc1d3d1326ff3aa406b5422& 22:20 wait 22:20 your friend got the one ring? 22:20 https://ibb.co/PGWMshHk or try this if it insists on being a load of ballsacks 22:20 yeah 22:20 holy shit 22:21 do you know what happened the last time someone got that card? 22:21 nope! 22:21 lemme find it 22:22 https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/15guyth/the_guy_who_pulled_the_one_ring_magic_card_worth/ 22:22 that card doesnt look to be the same though 22:23 ah the special LOTR language card, yeah 22:27 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 22:27 I am confused by protection behavior. Does buying protection from priests wear off in evilhack? is that new? or do I just keep accidentally losing it somehow? 22:27 dingotron: Message from mobileuser at 2025-02-01 13:24 EST: are you sure that's the castle wand? 22:27 dingotron: Message from mobileuser at 2025-02-01 13:25 EST: disregard that, you're still playing the old version 22:27 @mobileuser yep old version! 22:28 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Atlatl 22:28 establish that 22:28 and now on to the bracers 22:29 just yoink up the commit and artilist.h rq 22:41 no, buying protection does not wear off. that behavior is the same as vanilla nethack 22:42 ^ dingotron 22:43 hmm ok. thx 22:44 assuming the taming invoke is the same range as the scroll 22:44 yes 22:45 I have all the critical stuff down 22:45 aye 22:46 sigh. I free the pegasus, I read a scroll to tame the pegasus, I store food for pegasus,  I kit out pegasus with saddle and barding, I proudly lead pegasus out of Kathryn's thrown room and.... ZAP the ice troll zaps a wand of polymorph, the barding slides off, the saddle slides off, your pet pegasus is now a wood golem. 22:46 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Bracers_of_the_First_Circle 22:46 bloop 22:51 hunted down the AC bonus in do_wear.c 22:51 dingotron nooooo 22:52 Umbire if you look up the initial druid commit, that's where the druid quest artifact was created 22:52 yeah, I got the properties from there, artilist.h, etc. 22:53 just wanted clarification on the taming effect 22:53 K2 lol yep. 22:55 need to forge ithilmar 22:56 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:49986 (14:23:50) 22:58 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:50007 (14:25:34) 22:58 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Runed_bracers 23:00 wow those bracers are strong. Cool to have more build options for obtaining stoning resistance in the game too. 23:00 should do harbinger too while I'm in the mode 23:21 -!- Grassy has joined #evilhack 23:25 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Mon Dwa Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3658 (0:24:01) 23:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Mon Dwa Mal Law) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a killer bee corpse, on T:3918 (0:25:14) 23:34 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Mon Dwa Mal Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4455 (0:30:12)