00:01 terrapin :) 00:01 i got it figured out 00:02 You peck the paper golem. You claw the paper golem. You severely burn the paper golem with your claws! 00:02 The paper golem ignites and turns to ash! You destroy the paper golem! Your claws no longer burn so brightly. 00:02 \o/ 00:04 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:04 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 00:11 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 00:17 still some kinks to work out 00:28 @e?cave lizard 00:28 cave lizard (:) | Lvl: 7 | Diff: 9 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Atk: 2d4 bite physical, 1d10 kick physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, clings, thick hide, oviparous 00:29 @e?stag 00:29 stag ~3~ dog (d) | Lvl: 4 | Diff: 5 | Spd: 16 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 5 | Atk: 1d6 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, infravis 00:29 oh pinobot doesn't have new stuff yet 00:29 @e?gray unicorn 00:29 gray unicorn (u) | Lvl: 4 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 24 | Res: poison | Confer: poison | MR: 70 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Atk: 1d12 butt physical, 1d6 kick physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, herbivore, infravis 00:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1888 (0:10:50) 00:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu), 2242 points, T:2037, quit 00:32 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Dru Hum Mal Neu), 1988 points, T:2480, killed by the Goblin King 00:32 ah yeah 00:33 i need to let adeon know 00:34 can caveman be tortle? 00:35 no i dont think so 00:35 You peck the test monster. You claw the test monster. You burn the test monster with your wings! Your wings stop burning orange. 00:35 hahah 00:35 hot wings! 00:36 compelled to ask 'why the hell not' re: tortle 00:36 cuz tortles arent cavepeople 00:36 yeah but like dwarves can be 00:37 dwarbes arent tortles 00:37 v 00:37 just sayin tortles pass both the flavor and alignment check 00:38 also interesting the thing about wings 00:38 hot wings 00:38 guess it says that cuz that's what the game considers the 'hands' of hawk 00:39 yeah 00:39 its a feedback thing 00:39 wont be hard to fix 00:41 I have a yani but I don't know how to phrase it best yet. but stay tuned 00:42 more news tomorrow at 9 00:42 You gore the wolf. You kick the wolf. You burn the wolf with your forehooves! You kill the wolf! 00:42 ^ stag 00:42 hehe that's badass 00:43 I'm reminded of discworld, where Death's horse leaves burning hoofprints behind in the air 00:47 terrapin was correct though 00:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "Loggers Wuz Here :33", on T:3153 (0:11:57) 00:47 if you poly into a type of centaur, it treats your regular hands and then your kick attack as burning 00:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an ancient pseudodragon, on T:3371 (0:12:39) 00:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3375 (0:12:46) 00:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:3420 (0:13:22) 00:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3568 (0:14:32) 00:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3617 (0:15:17) 00:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu), 3049 points, T:3629, killed by a piranha 00:54 I think I have a pretty good handle on the very early game for druid 00:54 I quit a couple times after gk to run it back more :p 00:59 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Cheers!] 01:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1635 (0:06:06) 01:01 that was an insane goblin king battle. I was NOT ready 01:06 ok i think i have burning hands while poly'd mostly done 01:07 i'm getting sleepy 01:08 i can try and finish this up tomorrow... err later today 01:08 tomorrow is a travelday though, another gymnastics meet 01:08 anywho... gnite o/ 01:10 night k2 o/ 01:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "Loggers Wuz Here :33", on T:3035 (0:17:29) 01:15 so many bones... uptick in play after new version released I suppose 01:58 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 02:04 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:57 FUCK THE STUPID FUCKING INVISIBILITY EFFECT FROM MAGIC TRAPS FUCK THE STUPID FUCKING INVISIBILITY EFFECT FROM MAGIC TRAPS FUCK THE STUPID FUCKINF INVISIBILITY EFFECT FROM MAGIC TRAPS 02:58 MY STUPID FUCKING TORTLE IS RNG ROFL'D INTO NOT GOING INTO ANY SHOPS FUCK THIS STUPID MECHANIC 02:58 WHY CAN'T I WEAR A GODDAMN MUMMY WRAPPING?? NO MUMMY WRAPPINGS WEARABLE BY TORTLES IN THE BIG 24??? 03:00 *25 :P 03:18 !tell k2 on lit mines levels, all the sewage is dark. might be the same for shallow water? in any case, it's weird. (result of the commit that fixed bouquet's complaint about stuff shattering when he was standing on sewage) 03:18 I'm on it, Loggers_VIII. 03:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5769 (0:44:44) 03:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:6543 (0:51:53) 03:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Fem Neu), 20084 points, T:7319, killed by a centaurian watchman 05:28 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:08 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 06:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (black dragons), on T:796 (0:02:00) 06:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu), 331 points, T:1111, killed by a brown mold 06:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Rat King, on T:10072 (6:03:46) 06:37 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 07:35 poor invisible loggers 07:35 what magic traps giveth, magic traps taketh away if you dont have a wand 07:36 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:36 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 07:38 i like tortle right 07:38 but the invisibility thing really really really really pisses me off 07:39 invisibility thing? 07:42 if you are a tortle and you step on a magic trap that toggles your invisibility you should just kill yourself because there goes your ability to go into a fucking shop ever again 07:46 i mean, it isnt that big a deal. you could also just have a game with no shops 07:46 and you can use a wand of invisibility or magic trap to fix it 07:46 just another one of those things 07:47 can happen to a non-tortle and they can never find a mummy, so :-) 07:47 ah right a magic trap 07:47 Jarvis please pull up the chance for a magic trap to toggle invisibility 07:47 i do think you should be able to chat with a shopkeeper and give them a ring of see invisbility :-) 07:48 i dont think it is that bad, loggers, no worse than 1/20 07:48 but one trap wont necessarily be enough statistically since they can also vanish 07:49 if you need to play that roulette remember that the can also uncurse stuff for you 07:50 man, i'm still irked by my death last night for stupidly not recognizing a tree was an enemy 07:50 they just disappear before it toggles again >:( 07:50 what a buffoon 07:50 awesome gray dragonscale, magic lamp bones on mines 3 07:50 and a cursed wand of make invisible? who am I, unholy mcwaterman? 07:51 I got a great bones and then died cuz I dipped a potion but the guys before me had already dipped till they got warned by the watch 07:51 so the fountain disappeared and the watch killed me hehe 07:51 fight a cleric naked with a wand of make invisible, maybe they'll curse it for you 07:51 now that seems unfair, that should be reset in bones 07:51 or you should get an emote entering the level that the watch is already on edge or something 07:51 ^k2 07:52 yeah agreed. not needed per se but it's kinda annoying the way it is 07:53 people shouldnt ever die without any way of figuring out why 07:53 imo 07:53 why can't a tortle wear a mummy wrapping? 07:53 no cloaks 07:53 tortles can wear soft hats, soft gloves, and bracers. that is all 07:53 I would argue a mummy wrapping should be a special case exception from the no cloaks rule. for giants too 07:53 you don't wear it like a regular cloak 07:53 pff 07:54 unncessary 07:56 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Hob Fem Neu), 168 points, T:304, killed by a mountain dwarf 07:56 well it's not really intended as a race specific nerf, it arises from the combination of other game mechanics 07:56 i mean, the mechanic is, no cloak, seems pretty intentional 07:56 if an important part of tortle identity was they are untrustworthy in shops when invisible then yeah, go for it 07:56 everybody is untrustworthy in shops when invisible 07:57 exactly 07:57 (that mechanic has always confused me, but whatever) 07:57 they are happy to watch you put your pickaxe into your bag right next to them, but invisibility is a step too far 07:58 but it's a tenuous combination between things: "your body size is too big to wear (most?) cloaks" and "invisibility can be prevented by wearing a mummy wrapping" and "mummy wrappings happen to be cloaks" 07:59 like if there were another item that blocked invis, would it be necessary to exclude tortles from using it because it's important that invisible tortles can't shop? probably not 08:00 pickaxe> this all makes sense in the https://nhqdb.alt.org/?3289 view of the world, shks enforce a set of rules but they don't actually care 08:00 yeah no if there was another temporary noninvis mechanism im sure tortles could use it 08:01 but even so, i dont think one is necessary. they still have 2 (TWO) ways out, which is 2 more than are really necessary, and 1 more than is typical :-) 08:01 (more seriously if tortles etc could wear mummy wrappings wouldn't they all ascend in +5 mummy wrappings?) 08:02 for sure 08:02 dragonhide mummy wrappings of decay 08:02 honestly tortles are significantly easier now because of bracers 08:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Hob Fem Neu), 72 points, T:269, killed by a jackal 08:03 depends if the tradeoff for being invisible is more powerful than a +5 mummy wrapping 08:03 both ways to get out are comically rng-dependent 08:03 no, it would not depend, because that wrapping could be of esp or of fire resistance or of decay 08:03 I am willing to bet I have played more than five times as much tortle as you 08:03 which would absolutely make it worthwhile 08:03 -!- xdminsy has quit [Server closed connection] 08:04 as me? ive played tortle a lot, if not as much as you, sufficiently i would say to have a very good feel for them 08:04 so so so often the magic trap disappears and then what, you expect me to just have a cursed wand of invisibility early on? 08:04 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 08:04 in the past, ive used a 2nd magic trap 08:04 so have I it disappeared 08:04 and the third and the fourth :P 08:04 in fact, i remember once i mapped the whole mines for magic traps and never got turned back, but then that is MY rng 08:05 then i just used a pet to eat the shopkeepers 08:05 and loggers im kinda surprised youd throw "i tortle more" at me...that is a weird upsmanship for this channel 08:06 i just mean it's happened to me a LOT 08:06 we're all just trying to progress far enough to sleep with graz'zt 08:06 like a lot lol 08:06 and nearly always I'm just boned until a point where shops are useless 08:06 this is my favorite part of the game right now, running the top 2/3 levels like an idiot trying to kill myself until something interesting happens to make me care 08:07 but, there are tons of games with no shops, or maybe only a 2x2 with stones in it in the Worst Minetown 08:07 playing more tortle is not really a brag I just mean I am very acquainted with their early game grievances because I suck and die a lot :P 08:07 oh oh if you are going to talk about more tortle deaths vs more playtime i might go head to head with you 08:07 nobody dies as much as me, especially pre-oracle 08:08 why im dying right now 08:08 no way you have worse early game consistency than me 08:08 you've got a druid to soko! that's practically endgame 08:08 no he's dead 08:08 oh rip :( 08:09 I dunno, I think at least over half of my evilhack playtime is tortle 08:09 i killed him on mines3 by standing next to a tree blight with a finger up my butt thinking it wasnt a monster 08:09 i tell you loggers, just run nudist humans 08:09 I just think tortles are funny 08:09 same reason I always play octopode in dcss 08:10 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Dru Cen Fem Neu), 365 points, T:455, killed by a gnome lord 08:11 ocotopode? wear four boots and nothing else? can only kick? 08:11 -!- nabru- is now known as nabru 08:11 i found another magic trap for you, dl2, the diamond room 08:12 all you can wear is soft hats lol 08:12 they won't even let you wear a scarf, which I think is dumb 08:12 it is a serious medical condition! 08:13 I think that tortles could definitely wear a cloak, like, logistically but then they wouldn't be as interesting so it's probably good they can't 08:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Rog Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:11569 (7:18:15) 08:14 if they wore a cloak when they enshelled the monsters should pick up their cloak and walk away :-) 08:14 luckily no one has ever used the enshell mechanic so it wouldn't be an issue 08:15 i use the shell mechanic before dying anyway all the time 08:15 i love running around as a dear eating goblins 08:15 i think that's the problem with it, the shell is never really useful because you're probably just gonna die anyway 08:16 i'd rather use a turn to actually do something 08:16 yeah i wish enshelling did something a bit more meaningful 08:17 I wish tortles had like a singular advantage 08:18 okay fine water breathing and carrycap and early on AC are good I'm just being obtuse 08:18 they are definitely a challenging race, which is fine, races dont need balance 08:19 for some reason the low AC late game really annoys me 08:19 their HP isn't great either 08:20 and by low AC I mean high AC 08:20 with their speed, and other problems, i wish that tortles had intrinsic slow digestion 08:20 I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS 08:20 given how turtles and tortoises actually work 08:20 MANY PEOPLE ARE SAYING THIS 08:20 really? 08:20 im out of the loop 08:20 no just me and you 08:20 but for a nethack variant, that's pretty much a crowd with torches and pitchforks 08:20 anyway, it would make tortles a little easier to ascend, but would make them much more enjoyable for early play and might invite more tortle players 08:21 which i think is important 08:21 yes, I think tortle kinda has a problem right now where I don't know why anyone would WANT to play one 08:21 aside from 'it's funny' which is not really a good reason to rely on 08:22 yeah i ascended as a challenge but doubt ill be back very often...giants are much more fun for gear-restricted challenges 08:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Hob Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1167 (0:19:54) 08:23 imo, the best designed races in evilhack are draugr, drow, giant, illithid 08:23 in no particular order 08:23 all of those have unique draws that make me interested in playing them 08:25 then there are boring races; elf, human, dwarf, orc. and then there's hobbit which is mildly annoying and uninteresting and then tortle which is just a challenge race 08:26 you ignore centaurs? 08:27 centaurs are the ideal "welcome to evilhack" race, so powerful 08:27 oops 08:27 I dunno where i'd rate centaur cuz I never have played them really 08:27 they seem in the cool tier? 08:27 they are the easiest race for sure 08:28 basically you are stuck always wearing boots of jumping but your carry capacity is huge 08:28 plus you are like a zillion speed 08:29 I apparently ascended a centaur back in june 08:29 I have no recollection of such an incident 08:33 am I crazy for thinking the second druid spellbook should always be evocation? 08:33 ive never gotten a 2nd evocation book 08:34 I have to scum like crazy for it 08:34 found a wand of poly from goblin king. nymph robbed me blind, took everything, could not defeat her 08:34 then she zapped herself with the wand of poly and turned into a puppy 08:34 I just think that druid has so many spells that it FEELS like you should have, but you don't because of how random spell books are 08:35 just one extra maybe would placate my drood-y needs 08:35 i think druids REALLY need to find early magic missile, despite lack of skill 08:36 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 08:37 I feel like there is some bias against starting with an evocation book. i've seen each evocation spellbook in starting inv once, and every other spell at least 5 times (most 10+) 08:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2199 (0:06:34) 08:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] rnhe (Wiz Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2739 (0:11:56) 08:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:2222 (0:06:48) 08:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] rnhe (Wiz Trt Mal Neu) became literate by reading The Blacksmith's Cookbook, on T:3881 (0:18:52) 08:55 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu), 730 points, T:2218, killed by an invisible large spider 09:02 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] rnhe (Wiz Trt Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a crude dagger on an altar, on T:4788 (0:31:18) 09:06 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:08 hah loggers, found a cursed wand of make invis :-) 09:18 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3087 (0:22:19) 09:25 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu), 1449 points, T:4404, fell into a pit 09:29 heh 09:29 K2: Message from Loggers_VIII at 2025-01-25 03:18 EST: on lit mines levels, all the sewage is dark. might be the same for shallow water? in any case, it's weird. (result of the commit that fixed bouquet's complaint about stuff shattering when he was standing on sewage) 09:29 !tell Loggers_VIII by design 09:29 Will do, K2! 09:37 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Elf Fem Neu), 726 points, T:2379, killed by an orcish dagger 09:39 rothes have a claw attack. they dont have claws though 09:39 they have hooves 09:39 same with leocrotta's 09:40 in d&d it's leucrotta 09:40 but they're basically an intelligent hyena with hooves 10:01 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Elf Fem Neu), 1222 points, T:3866, killed by an orc shaman 10:14 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Elf Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1515 (0:13:23) 10:29 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Elf Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:4993 (0:28:08) 10:39 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:6417 (0:38:29) 10:47 wooo werebane 10:47 loggers fav artifact 10:49 on the road soon, should be able to be online and code a bit tonight 10:49 travelling in stag form? 10:50 hope youre not in winter-storm driving conditions, be safe 10:51 sun is out 10:51 but its like 8 degrees heh 10:52 headed down to springfield MA for next gymastics meet 10:52 good luck ice queen! 10:53 im off in a few for taekwondo, never ends 10:53 no doubt 10:53 i still have this burning hands in polyform code to push 10:53 still tweaking tho 10:53 and i keep finding inconsistencies with various quadruped attacks 10:53 youve got time, i havent found burning hands yet in my new run :-) 10:53 (which i've fixed) 10:54 one of test druids spawned with the spell hah 10:54 *of my 10:57 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Hob Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:4813 (1:24:20) 11:28 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Elf Fem Neu) had a pair of elven boots entrusted to her by Silvanus, on T:11145 (1:27:20) 11:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Rog Dro Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:12725 (7:39:15) 12:02 ahhhh man, i got sick and prayed and it returned me to hobbit form! nooo! i wanted to stay in wildshape 12:05 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Elf Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:15629 (2:03:50) 12:06 i pushed the burning hands/shocking grasp while polyd fix 12:06 but ti wont go live until later, we're about to head out 12:06 !who 12:06 K2: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-us] Snuff [evil] elron [evil] krm26 [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players 12:06 yeah i need to wait. edits to monst.c (not save-breaking), dont want to update while ppl are playing 12:07 ok, have fun! 12:07 cya in awhile o/ 12:07 see ya 12:07 make sure to throw some tea into the connecticut river while you're visiting massachusetts 12:14 -!- xdminsy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:15 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 12:15 EvilHack Commits: Fix: allow burning hands and shocking grasp spells to function while … https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/aea1e4156ba1fea85f5cc9f111a405671cc0231b 12:15 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Elf Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16019 (2:14:27) 12:31 k2, seems like there is no way to actually check what level you are when you are in wildshape form 12:58 ctrl-x doesn't do it? 12:58 works in 3.7 at least 13:22 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Elf Fem Neu) became Silvanus' Envoy of Balance, on T:19375 (3:20:48) 13:31 not in wildshape, shows you your wildshape info 13:31 unless i'm blind 13:38 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2823 (0:17:21) 13:38 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:2854 (0:17:42) 13:38 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) genocided shocking spheres, on T:2890 (0:17:57) 13:40 mmm i assume if a cockatrice gets next to me when im wildshaped then that is it 13:58 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 2549 points, T:5688, killed by a piranha 14:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuffburger (Rog Hob Mal Neu), 2660743 points, T:46309, quit 14:05 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Elf Fem Neu), 66525 points, T:23562, killed by a touch of death 14:07 !lastgame 14:07 krm26: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Snuffburger/evilhack/dumplog/1727272285.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rnhe/evilhack/dumplog/1737747021.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/o/omghax/evilhack/dumplog/1737671785.evil.html 14:07 !lastgame elron 14:07 krm26: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elron/evilhack/dumplog/1737817278.evil.html 14:08 brutal chameleon, oof 14:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Hob Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:9725 (3:33:50) 14:27 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Elf Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:2476 (0:16:28) 14:31 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 14:33 so prayer kicks you out of wildshape :-( i boned myself creating some blessed potions 14:36 k2 i dont think druid prayer should treat wildshape as a problem to cure 14:36 what happens when you are polyd to, say, a xorn while wildshaped? i assume does that destroy your melded armor? 14:44 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4085 (0:33:19) 14:49 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Elf Fem Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:4378 (0:37:55) 14:50 k2, was excited to poly my pet into a drow cleric, but apparently with the support casting changes all he does is follow me around casting protection, wont kill anything for me :-P 14:51 he's a pacifist 14:53 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Elf Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping an ornate key on an altar, on T:4753 (0:42:37) 15:01 k2: congrats on the new game! 15:08 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Elf Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6034 (0:57:05) 15:12 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Elf Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:6343 (1:01:20) 15:27 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Dru Gia Mal Neu), 1204 points, T:1, escaped 15:27 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Dru Gia Mal Neu), 1006 points, T:1, escaped 15:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Dru Hum Mal Neu), 654 points, T:1416, killed by Mr. Nenagh; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 15:37 <@shrigis> My sphere attacked a shopkeeper and it angered him??? Is that supposed to happen? 15:37 when pets attack shopkeepers you are in the clear; if a pet blows up on him, they blame you 15:37 <@shrigis> Did not count as killing my pet when a different sphere killed my pet btw 15:38 <@shrigis> Inconsistent 15:38 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Dru Gia Mal Neu), 588 points, T:1440, killed by a crossbow bolt 15:39 dammit thats a magic lamp if it happens to leave for anyone 15:40 doh 15:40 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Elf Fem Neu) became Silvanus' Envoy of Balance, on T:9795 (1:29:20) 15:41 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Elf Fem Neu), 26616 points, T:9820, killed by a grizzly bear 15:45 -!- elron has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:45 [hdf-us] [evil] zor (Mon Dwa Mal Law) destroyed the invisible rebatelo's ghost, the former Aspirant, on T:710 (0:04:55) 15:46 magic lamp for zor! 15:51 [hdf-us] [evil] zor (Mon Dwa Mal Law), 736 points, T:1239, killed by a piranha 15:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Dru Hum Mal Neu), 993 points, T:1922, killed by a rock gnome 15:57 <@shrigis> Druids can start with a potion of water as one of the starting potions 15:57 wish i could blind myself with a wand of light 15:59 ok so if zor leaves bones the lamp is probably in the drink? 16:00 * rebatela wants his lamp back 16:00 !lastgame 16:00 krm26: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rnhe/evilhack/dumplog/1737747021.evil.html :: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Shrigis/evilhack/dumplog/1737837503.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/o/omghax/evilhack/dumplog/1737671785.evil.html 16:00 !lastgame zor 16:00 krm26: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/z/zor/evilhack/dumplog/1737837662.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/z/zor/evilhack/dumplog/1652541283.evil.html 16:00 mines 6 16:02 tx 16:02 i tamed another one of these hawks 16:02 weird, took level teleport, go down, into the drink...he mighta been drunk 16:06 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Dru Gia Mal Neu), 781 points, T:2331, killed by a mountain dwarf 16:06 <@shrigis> Summoned flaming sphere is afraid to attack a floating eye 16:14 wow, 13k turns, through ~dl9 in both mines and main dungeon, 0 scrolls of id 16:19 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Dru Hum Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2908 (0:24:30) 16:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Dru Hum Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3035 (0:26:11) 16:31 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 16:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Dru Hum Mal Neu), 4375 points, T:3639, killed by a ball of cold 16:37 <@shrigis> Summon sphere spells feel really terrible to use. Feels like the spheres prefer to stay right next to you instead of attacking monsters 16:37 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 16:38 ive always thought they were junk spells. you use them to make ice or to thaw ice, and that is about it 16:40 <@shrigis> Yeah but as a druid they are your only ranged attack option in the early game 16:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1457 (0:17:46) 16:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (disenchanters), on T:1494 (0:18:09) 16:43 [hdf-us] [evil] zor (Pri Orc Mal Cha), 391 points, T:1066, killed by a hawk 16:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Dru Hum Mal Neu) stole 67 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Yildizeli's used armor dealership, on T:1049 (0:06:15) 16:47 ok, found the flaw in the drow cleric. he wont eat anything i throw to him no matter what. gotta kill something fresh for him to eat. 16:47 <@shrigis> Ok wtf just happened 16:48 you are a cheap thief 16:48 <@shrigis> My hawk picked up a shop item, i took it off him, saw it as unpaid and dropped it and the kops were called??? 16:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Dru Hum Mal Neu), 344 points, T:1402, killed by a giant bat 16:50 <@shrigis> Looks like if a pet is holding an item on the entrance square of the shop it still counts as unpaid instead of "no charge" 16:51 yes, that is true 17:09 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:870 (0:03:15) 17:09 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 17:13 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2382 (0:07:24) 17:18 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Shrigis' ghost, the former Ovate, on T:3169 (0:12:32) 17:28 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a stone orcish helm on an altar, on T:4051 (0:22:12) 17:29 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 1404 points, T:1, escaped 17:30 you're going the wrong direction a lot today rebatela 17:30 typod 17:30 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu), 1225 points, T:1371, killed by a giant bat 17:39 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Val Cen Fem Neu), 1820 points, T:2257, killed by a rothe, while frozen by a monster's gaze 17:45 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Hob Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:15677 (6:54:38) 17:45 disco 17:47 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 12272 points, T:6893, petrified by a chickatrice 17:53 !lastgame 17:53 krm26: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/DragonSidedD/evilhack/dumplog/1737842785.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rnhe/evilhack/dumplog/1737747021.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/o/omghax/evilhack/dumplog/1737671785.evil.html 17:55 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Gia Mal Neu) destroyed zor's ghost, the former Novice, on T:2651 (0:23:30) 17:56 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu), 2872 points, T:3708, killed by a bolt of cold 18:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Dru Hob Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16532 (7:11:53) 18:03 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:04 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 18:11 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu), 1782 points, T:2373, zombified by a drow zombie 18:13 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3596 (0:40:36) 18:17 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatelo (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 5207 points, T:4125, killed by a gnome queen 18:24 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 18:25 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu), 533 points, T:1780, killed by a baby owlbear 18:34 damn, wildshape timed out over water 18:35 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1393 (0:09:45) 18:43 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu), 1476 points, T:3061, killed by a baby owlbear, while sleeping off a magical draught 18:49 k2 i dont think druid prayer should treat wildshape as a problem to cure <--- agree, on the to-do 18:49 <@shrigis> My hawk picked up a shop item, i took it off him, saw it as unpaid and dropped it and the kops were called??? <---- known bug, already on the pad 18:50 @shrigis My sphere attacked a shopkeeper and it angered him??? Is that supposed to happen? <--- yes it is 18:51 regular pets, they get credit for kills (and the xp). summoned spehres, you take the credit (and the xp for whatever they kill) 18:52 that's straight from slash'em 18:52 !who 18:52 K2: [hdf-us] krm26 [evil] elron [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 18:55 rebatela thanks 18:56 elron krm26 if you two save real quick i can patch 18:56 does that work any different from if you were to tame a sphere that you didn't specifically cast a spell to summon, that then goes and explodes at a shopkeeper? 18:56 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 18:56 enjoy that burning hands in polyform goodness 18:57 dire wolverine shocking grasp... wonderful 18:57 Loggers_VIII: Message from K2 at 2025-01-25 09:29 EST: by design 18:57 aosdict yeah if you were to tame a spher eby normal methods, its considered a pet 18:57 ok but like it's weird that they are dark on a lit level 18:57 saved 18:57 krm26 18:57 and only shallow water and sewage, not even real water 18:57 I was wondering if there was any difference between summoned spheres and non-summoned, like a flag or something 18:58 yes 18:58 msummoned 18:58 now that i think about it... 18:58 one bug so far -- Gollum stole my merged leather cloak while I was in elderdragon form 18:58 those summonded spheres should be something else (nopoly, never spawns) 18:58 elron gotcha 18:59 !who 18:59 K2: [hdf-us] krm26 [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 18:59 krrrrrrm26 18:59 that probably won't ping him 18:59 :) 18:59 heh 18:59 krm26 krm26 krm26 18:59 that will summon him 19:00 he's been idle for like 13 mins he's probably afk 19:00 yeah 19:00 just saw 19:01 Loggers_VIII - sewage and shallow water will now behave normally. if the level is lit, they'll show up at distance. if dark, they wont 19:01 just like water outside of the mines 19:01 (pools) 19:01 ah ok, cool then 19:02 deep water is still lit in the mines 19:02 although i could disable that since paranoid swim exists 19:03 krm26 save your game 19:03 heh that would definitely make me turn back on paranoid swim in my rc 19:03 i'll prob just leave it alone 19:06 !who 19:06 K2: [hdf-us] krm26 [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 19:06 elron you can resume, patched 19:06 !tell krm26 save your game immediately before continuing 19:06 No worries, K2, I've got this! 19:10 elron i've recorded your reported bug on the pad 19:11 @shrigis yours was already known, will make a point to get that knocked out (that is annoying) 19:13 i dont see me doing any coding tonight :/ 19:13 maybe wiki updates 19:16 Hi K2 19:17 hi 19:17 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 19:18 aosdict does xnh have that same issue with #loot(ing) a pet in the 'foyer' of a shop and the shopkeeper thinking you stole it? 19:21 I think either qt or I fixed that at some point 19:21 oh nice 19:21 the player is in the foyer or the pet is? 19:21 the pet i think 19:21 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:22 https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack#L7 19:22 ok krm26's game auto saved 19:33 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:48 aosdict i have this commit in evilhack already - https://github.com/k21971/xNetHack/commit/543ae7cb12da4479348f77bb6a6f1c1302fe3089 19:48 but that's for looting a pet that is outside of the shop 19:52 i think you have the same issue in xnh aosdict 19:53 looking at get_cost_of_shop_item() in both our variants, basically the same 19:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Arch (Dru Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3409 (1:08:40) 19:54 hmm 19:54 trying a thing 19:54 oops sorry k2 was off making dinner 19:54 krm26: Message from K2 at 2025-01-25 19:06 EST: save your game immediately before continuing 19:55 my session either timed out or you bonked me 19:55 no worries krm26 19:55 it timed out and auto saved 19:55 so you're good 19:56 K2: I looted a kitten carrying a tin it picked up while it was on the space inside the door. the tin is on my bill for 5 zorkmids 19:56 wildshape timed out on my over water and tried to kill me 19:56 i think i just fixe dit 19:56 yup 19:57 https://termbin.com/pj29 19:58 damn this orctown just wont generate any monsters 19:59 so boned 19:59 one less thing @shrigis will (maybe) not take as a personal affront :) 20:00 70 turns is default spawn rate 20:00 go get crowned or accepted to the quest early to dbl it 20:08 ooh shocking grasp 20:09 \o/ 20:10 now i can choose between poking with an aklys for 50 rounds or yoloing in animal form with confuse monster and shocking grasp 20:10 wish i knew a healing spell 20:10 be careful with confuse monster while polyd 20:11 i think it winds up confusing you 20:11 if you cast it while polyd 20:11 oh i meant to whine about that, wildshape should be treated differently 20:11 if you cast it beforehand i dont think it'll do anything 20:11 (for same reasons burning hands and sg didnt earlier) 20:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Arch (Dru Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an elder pseudodragon, on T:4566 (1:26:57) 20:12 wildshape should definitely let you use confuse monster as per normal player usage 20:14 poly in general 20:14 EvilHack Commits: Fix: charge to #loot pet inside shop standing on the free spot. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/369bca0c196aa86c65ca8975a24079f6e56e586d 20:14 ^ that is live 20:16 that's all the coding for me tonight 20:16 wife is kicking me off of the desk in our room, she needs to work 20:17 nice 20:18 why were you on top of the desk 20:18 K2, re: confuse monster I think that only applies to reading the scroll while poly'd 20:18 but then idk enough about the spell, might still be true 20:18 oh 20:19 the spell and scroll share same code 20:19 i'd need to test it 20:19 aosdict because its comfy 20:19 alright gotta go, back later maybe 20:20 later 20:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Arch (Dru Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:6454 (1:50:56) 20:39 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 20:40 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest3540 20:40 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 20:43 -!- Guest3540 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:49 stupid drider wont eat a floating eye. whats wrong with you drider! 20:51 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3031 (0:24:22) 20:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu), 5751 points, T:3107, quit 20:56 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "bob", on T:3708 (0:29:02) 20:56 Your paws are surrounded by a blue aura. 20:58 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Cheers!] 20:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1060 (0:04:11) 21:00 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping an ornate key on an altar, on T:4063 (0:32:38) 21:01 Driders are inediate p. sure? 21:02 oh nope, omnivore 21:02 might already have the property/isn't hungry 21:03 didnt have the property, and there's always room for an eye! 21:07 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 21:08 Lol. Playing as a convict I'm trying to fight a strong player monster, so I try to steal his gear first. First thing I steal? loadstone. lol. not helpful in this fight! 21:11 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.3.1] 21:12 k2, do druids get dinged for kicking trees? 21:15 <@Loggers_VIII> krm26: I wanna say no 21:16 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:17 <@Loggers_VIII> ok can confirm they do not 21:18 weird 21:18 sigh, guess im doing the quest without ever getting werebane 21:18 lets see how bad it goes 21:19 guess it cant go very bad since i cant progress because of being locked in by trees 21:19 so much for that 21:25 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:7802 (0:57:54) 21:33 k2: cure sickness should be a directional spell 21:34 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 dragonhide bracers of decay", on T:9144 (1:07:10) 21:34 elron, the druid quest item is bracers 21:35 oh well -- still a good source of survival 21:36 It's already a directional spell 21:36 yeah, in the future tho of esp would be better for survivability, since you'll ditch em before you can a chance to really use the decay 21:37 eh, the proverbial dragonhide t-shirt would have probably been the best option AC over esp 21:38 jeez i almost died for the second game to the dead tree monsters 21:38 the same way, sitting there stupidly wondering what was hitting me 21:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Tymora, on T:24240 (10:47:16) 21:52 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 21:53 are/should Druids be more successful at getting items (fruit/leaves) out of trees? 21:54 i kinda think druids should be penalized for kicking trees and either have some other method of getting fruit or none because they respect the trees too much to give them a bris 21:57 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11384 (1:30:18) 22:03 is there a non-firey way of escaping a tree trap in the druid quest levels? 22:08 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Silvanus, on T:12063 (1:41:23) 22:18 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu) had a red spellbook given to her by Silvanus, on T:14188 (1:50:37) 22:19 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu) had a mace entrusted to her by Silvanus, on T:14411 (1:52:20) 22:21 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1572 (0:11:57) 22:23 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:25 <@Loggers_VIII> krm26: use an axe 22:27 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 22:32 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Dru Hum Fem Neu), 25600 points, T:15856, poisoned by an orcish arrow 22:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3235 (0:22:52) 22:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu), 7990 points, T:3666, killed by a dwarf king, while praying 22:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu), 677 points, T:1022, killed by a piranha 22:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu) averted death (killed by the Goblin King), on T:1082 (0:03:35) 22:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Dru Trt Mal Neu), 1130 points, T:1954, quit 22:57 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:07 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:25 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (two random monsters from class ;), on T:42713 (9:49:27) 23:26 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class h, on T:42714 (9:50:14) 23:30 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:31 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 23:36 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:43203 (10:00:09) 23:36 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:43207 (10:00:38) 23:40 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) completed her quest without incident, on T:43489 (10:04:10) 23:41 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:41 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack