00:00 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:29 EvilHack Commits: The spell 'stone to flesh' can affect armor and weapons. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/023bca49e53bfdf18aab2d4e15528673bc14e97a 02:16 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:21 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17264 (3:24:05) 02:23 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:17424 (3:25:40) 02:28 EvilHack Commits: Some tweaks and fixes to player monster gear. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/993c3113f47cc97e6443dd2d753d29d73d2e5a55 02:31 EvilHack Commits: Fix: account for being polymorphed into an undead monster when using … https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/46e1254020e3c1d4f9deeb31f3b3eeb2f1483ff2 02:35 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 02:59 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) had a pair of iron gauntlets entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:21196 (4:02:35) 03:32 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "Blessed +2 gray dragon scales", on T:22839 (4:35:01) 04:12 -!- Demo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:12 -!- Demo2 has joined #evilhack 04:35 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) had a two-handed sword entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:28455 (5:38:10) 04:53 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) had a bone spear entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:30438 (5:55:45) 05:55 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 05:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:5316 (0:38:09) 06:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:6478 (0:53:54) 06:27 -!- aosdict has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 7782 points, T:6845, killed by a drow cleric 06:51 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:55 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:617 (0:03:06) 07:25 ugh 07:25 i'm so tired 07:25 couldnt sleep :( 07:28 i feel ya. wish id ever learned to nap; wife can be asleep anywhere with a heater or fireplace in 15 seconds 07:29 that's my wife too 07:29 are you me but in hell? (FL) 07:35 hey, since yesterday, we're ALL in hell! 07:36 no doubt 07:36 elon giving the nazi salute twice 07:37 cant find that lil gem on any of the usa news networks 07:38 1984 baby 07:38 * K2 sighs 07:40 per my wifes request, if your stone weapon gets hit by stone to flesh spell, it becomes a 'strip of bacon' 07:42 real bacon or canadian bacon 07:42 bacon chain mail armor 07:42 obviously if you hit a fire trap after that you should get a funny message 07:44 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/023bca49e53bfdf18aab2d4e15528673bc14e97a 07:49 could also go for "rasher" instead of strip of bacon 07:50 i dunno what rasher is 07:50 a strip of bacon :-) 07:51 there's only one thing better than bacon 07:51 and that's bacon wrpped in bacon 07:51 *wrapped 07:51 heheh no doubt the scots have some bacon abominations 08:00 mmm bacon 08:05 historic moment: for the first time ever I am riding a pony (in brevishack) 08:07 "Will you please leave your pony outside?" omg 08:11 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:877 (0:03:49) 08:13 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 44 points, T:8, killed by a water moccasin, while vomiting 08:13 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:6 (0:00:05) 08:18 ...and pony dead 08:32 nooo 08:36 :( 08:51 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4395 (0:37:49) 09:00 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5353 (0:46:36) 09:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Rog Dro Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible Koeranen's ghost, the former Trailblazer, on T:4937 (2:40:16) 09:10 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6878 (0:56:13) 09:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Rog Dro Fem Cha) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:4952 (2:40:51) 09:11 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:7017 (0:57:18) 09:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4920 (0:40:19) 09:38 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:10143 (1:24:20) 09:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 5935 points, T:5092, killed by an Uruk-hai 10:05 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:11231 (1:31:55) 10:35 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14992 (2:01:35) 10:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] diagonalo (Val Hum Fem Law), 334 points, T:804, killed by Mr. Akhalataki; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 11:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a goblin shaman corpse, on T:3446 (0:35:02) 11:05 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) just blew up her bag of holding, on T:19551 (2:31:36) 11:12 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:22403 (2:38:30) 11:18 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:23766 (2:44:42) 11:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1546 (0:19:17) 11:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] SeamusMcRed (Cav Gia Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3064 (0:18:50) 11:27 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1901 (0:24:10) 11:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] SeamusMcRed (Cav Gia Mal Neu), 2107 points, T:3805, killed by the Goblin King 11:30 EvilHack Commits: Fix: impossible "hiding under nothing?" https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/3517033393e1b7d0af8064b4a0021c4b788a083b 11:47 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:2083 (0:56:01) 11:51 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2722 (1:00:07) 11:53 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 1890 points, T:5173, killed by a boiling potion, while frozen by a potion 11:59 EvilHack Commits: Fix: 'Program in disorder: rnd(0) attempted' when using #wizspell whi… https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/f2a841fa7dbb483cd09327f2bfde205bc6f5e1ef 12:01 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 5368 points, T:3887, burned by a fireball 12:08 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:22 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) just blew up her bag of holding, on T:29414 (3:23:02) 12:32 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 141945 points, T:30971, killed by a large spider 12:38 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 12:41 I am going to find out if you can dispose of zombie corpses by stuffing them in a locked magic chest 12:41 what could possibly go wrong? 12:42 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping an uncursed +1 war hammer on an altar, on T:4626 (0:55:58) 12:47 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed DragonSidedD's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:4778 (1:00:54) 12:47 -!- Demo has joined #evilhack 12:50 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:4945 (1:03:44) 12:50 -!- K2 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:51 -!- K2 has joined #evilhack 12:51 -!- mode/#evilhack [+o K2] by ChanServ 12:51 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:52 -!- Demo2 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:53 -!- Tangles has joined #evilhack 12:59 fuzzfuzzfuzzfuzzfuzz 12:59 dingotron that should work 12:59 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:15545 (6:12:42) 13:06 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:5388 (1:20:22) 13:11 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 3020 points, T:2709, killed by a bolt of cold 13:11 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:14 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:28 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 silver dragon scales", on T:6059 (1:42:27) 13:41 <@Loggers_VIII> awww, meat rod isn’t real :( 13:52 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) murdered Draig, her faithful pseudodragon, on T:1674 (0:13:52) 14:05 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7371 (2:19:18) 14:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 251 points, T:406, killed by a boulder 14:19 Loggers are you...disappointed by bacon strips?!? 14:22 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vnit_xL1hE 14:28 EvilHack Commits: Fix: fuzzer making a wish, returns NULL, causing a crash. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/3e16a365e689096db8e43260860e64fc92005c91 14:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:5769 (1:26:49) 14:53 fuzzer was wishing for freedom 15:01 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 15561 points, T:6859, killed by a dwarf lady 15:39 -!- krm26_ has joined #evilhack 15:42 -!- krm26 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:44 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Nightsorrow's ghost, the former Ninja, on T:8849 (3:31:35) 15:51 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 15:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 586 points, T:1972, killed by Ms. Wonotobo; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 16:12 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 16:21 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:10175 (4:09:27) 16:25 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:47 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 16:47 -!- Loggers_VIII has left #evilhack 17:01 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:11 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a copper helm of speed, on T:13741 (4:59:12) 17:22 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 17:24 Hello all.  I noticed a small oddity in EH.  I quaffed an uncursed unidentified pink potion and got no message about its effect.  I checked via ` to see what I knew about potions and it said that pink ones are gain ability.  I can check the ttyrec to see if I had a stat increase, but bottom line, I'm not sure if it's intentional to (sometimes?) 17:24 not get a message when drinking a potion of gain ability.  Go figure? 17:26 i've noticed messages can skip sometimes if you're doing things quickly 17:26 and hiya dbanethacker 17:27 Hiya K2 - thanks for the quick feedback.  How's the cold weather up in the northeast?  Yeah I'll check the ttyrec, I guess, but no message came across, I'm fairly certain. 17:27 its cold :) 17:27 -!- nabru has quit [Quit: nabru vanishes!] 17:28 It's a chilly 40 degrees overnight here north of the Golden Gate bridge. 17:28 heh 17:28 was -2 last night 17:28 which for this time of year is warm 17:28 -!- nabru has joined #evilhack 17:28 10-15 yrs ago the lows would be -20 -25 17:29 Ah, great sleeping bag weather during winter camp for my sons on their scout outings to the Sierras! 17:29 its a balmy 11 currently yay 17:29 snow cave can be a great insulator 17:30 Yeah they love to build them! 17:30 just need an air hole so fresh air can get in 17:30 fyi dbanethacker, new version is gonna drop real soon 17:31 sometime this week probably 17:32 <@Loggers_VIII> it was -10 earlier today 17:32 19 right now but it will be 11 or 12 later tonight 17:32 <@Loggers_VIII> went on a walk but couldn’t get going more than 5 miles cuz it felt even colder with hella wind 17:33 <@Loggers_VIII> also dbanethacker that potion was a potion of gain ability that increased your strength, there’s no message for drinking an uncursed potion and getting a strength increase in evilhack for some reason 17:34 Yeah I'm going through the ttyrec now and see that I'm at 18.03.  I drank from a fountain afterwards and now see that I'm at 18.05 so I must have gained strength like you say. 17:35 Look forward to the new version and its updates / changes! 17:36 Bottom line it sounds like it's a known issue / opportunity about the lack of message when gaining strength (above 18?) so I'm glad it's been noticed. 17:42 that's a new one 17:43 Hmmm, I see at frame 147300 in my current game that I drink the potion.  On 147301 the stat increases but there's no message so it's a confirmed (minor!) bug. 17:44 Looks like @Loggers_VIII called it! 17:48 possible fix coming 17:50 thanks dbanethacker for the bug report and Loggers for the analysis! 17:57 EvilHack Commits: Fix: give message when gaining strength via uncursed gain ability https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/d2ab69d8237cb827af3d73c0e80b0426b2f25a2a 18:02 nice one terrapin 18:02 you know how old that bug was? 18:02 years 18:02 as in, early beginning evilhack 18:03 K2 was a baby then dev-wise 18:03 si 18:03 where are the photos of you typing your first evilhack commits 18:03 cameras didnt exist yet 18:04 that's how old 18:04 qt has a photo of him typing his first commits. get on his level 18:04 too late 18:04 i cant go back in time 18:18 LOL - yeah, I remember it like it was yesterday, it was 2018 and somehow I found out about an extension called Evilhack and the rest is history! 18:18 \o/ 18:27 Hmmm, if you shoot make invisible at a zombie and kill him when he's invisible, his corpse is visible.  All well and good.  If/when he comes "back to life", does he retain the invisibility? 18:28 Nope - he's visible.  Intentional, perhaps? 18:30 yup 18:31 we dont do invisible objects either 18:31 a couple variants have that 18:31 when i played grunthack i couldnt stand it 18:39 omg i love takis so much 18:39 fuego! 18:41 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Dro Fem Cha) had a pair of low boots entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:62951 (17:45:06) 18:45 Wow, I'm finding all kinds of oddities today.  Now I witnessed a sea tortle go in and out of a lake of lava.  I had no idea they were fire/lava resistant. 18:48 Hmmm, the stairs down right next to the lava lake.  If I magic whistle my pet chameleon over could he be transported to a lava space?  I doubt it, but if he does and isn't resistant and dies, I guess it's on me. 18:50 lava isnt part of goodpos() or isok() unless the monster likes lava so it shouldnt put them on lava? but get a second opinion 18:54 I whistled a few times and they never landed on the lava so I think we're good. 18:55 WTF! My pet balrog somehow got ahold of my WoW(0:3) and spent all the wishes! 18:56 EvilHack Commits: Fix: panic "relmon: mon not in list". https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/25775f635a5529aa8975ec91d3aae74c7db8783f 18:57 bouquet ooooh damn 18:57 but how did he get it? I'll probably never know 18:57 well hopefully it wished up some stuff you can use 18:57 if he did, he did it while I wasn't looking. 18:57 what's the message if a monster uses a wow? 18:58 did you #loot it to him by accident? 18:58 oh it's apparent 18:58 doubtful 18:58 'Bob makes a wish!' or some such 18:58 and if you cant see them, and arent deaf, you'll hear it 18:58 as a pet could he have looted my magic chest? 18:58 no 18:59 I'll search wish in my ttyrec. 18:59 peaceful/tame dont loot containers on the floor 18:59 if you gave it a bag, it'll use the bag 18:59 bouquet how was the london trip? 19:02 it was great! Good food, good parties, good family, etc 19:02 awesome 19:02 did in some good druid time on the flight? 19:03 lots! It's very difficult early game. 19:03 I only made minetown once. 19:03 winter wolf was a good wildshape for the ranged attack. 19:03 tiger was good 19:04 timeout between wildshape seemed too long, though 19:04 There were some actions that didn't give messages. Unfortunately, I can't remember the ddetails. They didn't seem like bugs, just no messages 19:05 no messages ARE a bug 19:06 actions like turning into whatever form you pick? 19:06 they happened in wildform 19:06 wild in wildshape form? 19:06 *while 19:06 I was expecting "you can't do that in your current form" or similar when trying to manipulate something like a bag. Instead there just wasn't a message 19:07 there's a message that appears 20 turns out when you're about to revert 19:07 bouquet hmm 19:07 ya, saw that 19:07 i'll have a look 19:07 but I never lived long enough to change again. What's the timeout between opportunities to change? 19:08 3600-4000 turns 19:09 but, you can stay in your shape for up to 3000 turns or so 19:09 druids can stay poly'd in their wildshape forms a lot longer than regular poly 19:10 oh... I dropped my BoH to pick up a heavy corpse and move it to the altar and that's when the Balrog opened it up and stole my WoW. 19:10 doh 19:10 bad balrog, bad! 19:10 get the spray bottle 19:10 he wished for an amulet of MR, a BoH, and a wand of speed monster. Amateur! 19:11 coulda been worse 19:19 this is one of the mechanics I love about evilhack. I also hate it :) 19:20 :P 19:21 also 3600+ turns seems to infrequent for wildshape. It's supposed to be the main draw for playing this class. If a game only lasts 50-100k turns that's not many opportunities to use the primary mechanic of the role. 19:21 3600-4000 turns roughly equates to 3 times per day per ad&d rules 19:21 and you can stay in that form for most of that time 19:22 if the interval were shorter, it'd be unbalancing esp in the early game 19:22 that's accurate, but not fun for my evilhack playstyle 19:22 can it scale with levelup? 19:22 we'll see how it plays out when it's live 19:22 the turns dont but the forms you can change into do 19:23 I'm sure the ultraplayers won't have trouble with it, but it kinda makes the role unappealing to me. 19:23 i could lok at adjusting the amount of turns based on level 19:23 *look 19:24 you're either going to use it or not. If it's unavailble then it'll be an afterthought instead of a useful game mechanic. 19:24 but you also have to undersatnd how unbalancing it can be if a druid could shapechange whenever they wanted for as long as they wanted 19:24 maybe if I can live longer it'll be more useful 19:25 but I don't think I made it past 10k turns 19:25 druids are primary spellcasters. they arent tanks 19:25 which was only 1 change opportunity for me 19:25 entangle was useful. 19:26 I changed into a hawk to go get the magic key, but then realized I couldn't manipulate the chest as a bird. 19:26 you ever find barkskin or stoneskin spells? 19:26 nope 19:27 will entangle stop demon lords from porting around? That'd be helpful 19:27 i made it so you can still cast spells in a form wthout hands 19:28 no, the covetous behavior isnt normal movement 19:28 covetous monsters technically do not travel by normal means 19:28 what would be helpful is if everyone started using "demon lords" instead of "archfiends" 19:28 I mean the other way around 19:29 I'll update my lexicon 19:29 i need to look up if druids were allowed to manipulate objects in animal form like they have hands 19:29 i dont think so 19:29 * aosdict is distracted 19:29 they are "fiends" after all 19:30 so I was stuck on the island waiting to return to normal form, but couldn't change back to fly home. Had to #quit 19:30 yes you could have 19:30 just do #wildshape again 19:30 you'll revert back to regular 19:30 oh! I didn't even try that. Would I have been able to change back into a hawk immediately? 19:30 no 19:31 3 times per day rule 19:31 I still would have been marooned in that case 19:31 but you can exit out of the shape manually if the need arises 19:31 yup, so you gotta make a plan 19:31 i would have winter wolf breath an ice bridge 19:31 or pick a form that can swim 19:32 well, I still need to rely on leviation or flying like a normy 19:32 or that 19:32 there's gonna be tradeoffs 19:33 when new version is released and druid gets a ton of play, we'll shake out any issues that werent anticipated 19:33 this is the way 19:35 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) killed Lord Surtur, on T:16945 (6:32:23) 19:35 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:16946 (6:32:32) 19:36 bouquet alright... quick search on some ad&d sites: druids can still interact with their environment while using wildshape (opening doors, using tools, etc) 19:36 but they couldnt cast spells 19:36 right now, evilhack has that the other way around 19:36 AND it depended on the shape 19:37 in the form of a hawk, you have appendages, so you could make a case for say, opening a bag 19:37 as a snake, not so much 19:37 a snake can slither into the bag and get what it wants :) 19:38 how so? 19:38 swallow it and shit it out later? heh 19:38 programming a game is much more limiting than playing on a tabletop. My opinion is it should be slightly more permissive. 19:38 I dunno, wave it around with its mouth like a disney snake 19:39 we'll see 19:39 paw patrol had invisible opposable thumbs, right? 19:39 no one cares about paw patrol 19:39 hated that show 19:39 anyway, you're the boss. I just played it as hard as I could to get some nuggets of feedback. 19:40 i get where you're coming from 19:40 but i have to take game balance into account overall as well 19:40 you dont :) 19:42 totes 19:42 but yeah. the real bug finding occurs after release 19:42 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) completed his quest without incident, on T:17053 (6:40:01) 19:42 I'm sure someone like Loggers will be fine with the timeouts. 19:43 gonna have to be, its not going away. it may be tweaked some, but the timeout stays 19:43 balance :) 19:43 hmmm, completed the quest without incident?  What incidents could have happened?  I guess I could have gone cannibal and had my quest leader hate me for my alignment loss. 19:43 I'm really disappointed in my Balrog's wish choices. 19:44 smh 19:49 K2: to get a more diverse set of opinions I'd like to hear kathryn's opinion on paw patrol 19:49 ok 19:49 she said 'it slays' 19:50 i didnt like it. i've watched so much of it 19:50 daniel tiger I could stomach a bit more 19:52 recently she started watching 'Bluey' which is actually entertaining. she's really too old to watch it but she likes to go back sometimes to older shows 19:52 we had our 'doc mcstuffins' stage too 19:55 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55 EvilHack Commits: Fix: gulpmm "placing [mon] over itself". https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/9b9ee94095a3c771d07d30e6e5ec28743cdee63e 19:55 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 19:56 <@Loggers_VIII> dbanethacker: the incident is that your QL can ask for the thing back and then you say no and slide on them and all the quest guardians 20:11 What's this I hear about K2 abandoning evilhack to make a pawpatrolhack? 20:11 was aosdict's idea 20:14 are there any variants besides xnh and evilhack that kathryn has direct influence in? 20:14 i dont think so 20:14 hackem took out ice queen branch i think 20:20 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 20:23 -!- krm26_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:36 <[> how does kathryn have direct influence in xnethack? 20:36 the tea party bigroom 20:38 <@Loggers_VIII> I agree with bouquet that 3600-4000 is too much for a wildshape timeout 20:38 <@Loggers_VIII> even if you can stay in it for awhile 20:39 <@Loggers_VIII> I understand the reasoning behind that time in particular, but I think that gameplay should take precedent over adherence to arbitrary rules from another game 20:40 <@Loggers_VIII> 2000 take it or leave it 20:42 <[> how do you convert ad&d days to evilhack turns? 20:44 <@Loggers_VIII> he used a measurement they have on the wiki 21:01 ^ this 21:01 its not exact 21:01 but close enough 21:19 @Loggers_VIII 'I understand the reasoning behind that time in particular, but I think that gameplay should take precedent over adherence to arbitrary rules from another game' 21:19 i get that, not everything from d&d translates bit for bit to nethack 21:20 i like to at least try on some things though 21:20 K2: sorry not to have looked into it more, but I do know the nicer crash dumps are nothing to do with online play; local crawl generates them too 21:20 ah 21:20 so its baked into the game 21:20 that's really cool 21:21 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) had a silver long sword entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:31129 (6:04:09) 21:22 damn that's a nice gift 21:22 i wonder if it came with an object property 21:29 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) had a mithril spear entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:31559 (6:11:40) 21:33 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:35 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.3.1] 21:40 alrighty bouquet, @Loggers_VIII (and anyone else that wants to chime in) - what do you think would be a good turn duration between wildshape use? without making it overpowered 21:40 brb 21:44 EvilHack Commits: Tweaks to player monster gear and regular objects via altar sacrifice. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/2853d0cfd67ad6c66d94922a92b6fe748d4c9526 21:54 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:7193 (1:09:10) 21:55 <@Loggers_VIII> K2: I think 2k is good. that’s enough for a lot to happen but isn’t enough for me to feel like I need to sit around waiting, I think 21:55 * K2 nods 21:55 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:7311 (1:10:39) 21:56 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:7369 (1:11:33) 21:56 <@Loggers_VIII> especially considering the increased duration of wildshape when compared with normal poly, that seems balanced - I can’t say for total certainty until I play, of course. 21:57 <@Loggers_VIII> with total certainty? whatever 21:57 i knew what ya meant heh 22:00 My memory of druids is that they're not penalized for acting outside their alignment guidelines. I was thinking maybe a bonus if alignment is excellent and a penalty if it's abused. 22:01 that's interesting 22:01 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) had a pair of stone kicking boots entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:34466 (6:44:05) 22:01 what are things that druids aren't supposed to do? Kick trees? Eat a corpse from the same class as their wildshape? 22:01 Loggers et al., keep in mind that, at present, wildshape can last 2500-3000 turns, so 2k timeout for it would mean >constant wildshape is allowed 22:02 the duration would have to be adjusted too depending 22:02 both timeouts start at the same time? 22:02 bouquet - druids killing trees, super bad 22:03 their quest leader should be Alanis Treehugger 22:03 bouquet they do already - when you wildshape, that timer starts (when you can use it next) and then there's the polyform duration timer 22:03 which was greatly extended for druids using their wildshape forms 22:03 oohhhhh... I thought the next timer started when wildshape ended. 22:04 no 22:04 well... I was misinformed. 22:04 currenty its about a 1000 turn lag between when your current wildshape form expires to when you can use it again 22:04 it means you kinda get penalized for dying or unwildshaping (which i think makes sense), but if you want to (and don't die) you can stay in wildshape the majority of the time 22:04 ^ assuming you dont reert early on purpose 22:04 *revert 22:04 that's not too bad. 22:05 so you'd only be out of wildshape for about 500 turns on average? 22:05 and on top of that... find an amulet of unchanging 22:05 500-1000 yeah 22:05 i like the idea regarding your alignment abuse 22:11 how about this... if the range is something like 2500-3000 turns for maintaining a wildshape, why not set the timeout to 2400? That way if you roll a 2500 you only have to wait 100 turns but if you get lucky and it lasts 3000 turns your timeout is 600. 22:11 just an idea. Probably not terribly awesome. 22:12 i'm actually devising a way to tie in alignment abuse with the wildshape use timer 22:12 based on your suggestion 22:13 this also made me realize a lil bit more needs to be done concerning how druids treat certain monsters if they're peaceful/tame 22:14 druids are definitely allowed to kill woodlands animals and beings if they are hostile 22:14 but if they are friendly or at least peaceful, bad bad bad to harm them 22:14 already have conditions set for live trees (super ultra bad) 22:15 yup... release aint happening tonight 22:15 lol 22:20 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 2 bone crude daggers on an altar, on T:9155 (1:35:59) 22:26 can druids tame same monster class when wildshape? Like if I'm a winter wolf can I #sniffbutt on a warg with a chance to tame it (also a chance to anger it). 22:27 dog park rules 22:27 heh 22:27 no i did not create that ability 22:27 you really arent aware of all the things druids can do, are you? 22:28 which that's fine, everyone should be oldschool and discover as they play 22:28 it's been a while. Are they in AD&D 1st ed rulebook? I have 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3.5th rulebooks. 22:28 and not have to lean on an online resource 22:28 i've been referencing my ad&d 1st edition books 22:28 and a lil bit online too 22:30 alrighty, i have some code in place to adjust wildshape timer based on alignment abuse 22:30 lets test this thing 22:32 oh man i just thought of another neat idea 22:32 hrm 22:33 owlbears can "tin" enemies by eating them and creating "owlbear pellets"? 22:34 yeah 22:39 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Dro Fem Cha) had a pair of dark elven bracers entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:63199 (18:01:49) 22:40 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 11525 points, T:9922, killed by a tortle shaman 22:42 ok so the way i have it right now - if you've never abused alignment, you get a bonus to amount of time between wildshapes, meaning turns are subtracted 22:42 and then depending on the amount of abuse, turns go up 22:43 and its in lockstep the the different reported levels of abuse (slightly abused your alignment, moderately, seriously, etc) 22:45 bouquet i see what you mean about no feedback 22:45 i tried to zap a wand in a wildshape form, nada 22:45 it should have said 'you cant do that' or whatever 22:47 ya, that's what I did 22:47 I think I also tried to open a container 22:47 i wonder how that happened 22:47 i'll figure it out 22:58 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Cheers!] 23:17 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Dro Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:64120 (18:29:27) 23:38 finding a few minor bugs now hah 23:39 good thing now instead of later 23:39 i've setup a thing, if you use enlightenment, you can see how many turns you have left before you can use wildshape again 23:46 bouquet there was a bug with druid polyform duration. so when you were playing, you'd only be in wildshape for 500-999 turns :/ 23:46 i just fixed that 23:46 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4288 (0:55:01) 23:54 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5131 (1:02:36) 23:54 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 6903 points, T:5134, killed by a pony 23:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) murdered Hachi, his faithful little dog, on T:60 (0:00:46)