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00:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4004 (0:51:31)
01:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:4107 (0:52:04)
01:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dro Fem Cha), 116684 points, T:19300, quit
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07:11 <krm26> !lastgame
07:11 <Hecubus> krm26: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/g/gdiist/evilhack/dumplog/1735608672.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/d/davez/evilhack/dumplog/1735781064.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/p/post163/evilhack/dumplog/1734793412.evil.html
07:13 <krm26> that is a weird quit of an ascendable knight
07:32 <K2> yeah
07:33 <krm26> i do wonder why he was using excalibur instead of DIRGE
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09:03 <K2> :(
09:06 <mobileuser> I can't remember stuff burning in my inventory when a door explodes... maybe by the time I start encountering them I've already foo-proofed my stuff...
09:06 <mobileuser> somehow I thought evilhack had removed the burning
09:06 <K2> hah no
09:06 <K2> that sounds... nice
09:06 * K2 dry heaves
09:10 <K2> hmm something in the scatter routine in explode.x
09:10 <K2> .c
09:11 <K2> but yeah mobileuser, exploding doors can and will burn things in your open inventory
09:13 <K2> dammit, i'm in the middle of another druid commit. will need to push this first before looking at that crash
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09:20 <mobileuser> I just can't remember the last time an exploding door did any harm except stunning me, can others?
09:20 <K2> lemme compile 0.8.4 and see
09:20 <K2> just to be certain
09:21 <krm26> i have not had an exploding door burn my gear in for EVAR
09:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha), 10046 points, T:7619, killed by a giant mosquito, while paralyzed by a monster
09:21 <krm26> thought it was removed
09:22 <K2> there was a bug fixed on the 0.9.0 branch regarding exploding things and who got credit (you or another monster)
09:22 <krm26> and i open a LOT of doors with my face (well, my feet, actually)
09:23 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Monsters use MONBALL or something for explosions, but I thought doors had their own explosion type
09:28 <mobileuser> thanks krm26 for confirming, I was starting to doubt my own memory :-)
09:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 218 points, T:1140, killed by a goblin
09:28 <krm26> no problem! that'll be one infidel ascension please
09:29 <krm26> for my christmas gift, please pick a different race/alignment for your first three druid ascensions than i pick for my first attempt
09:29 <mobileuser> I'm guessing you will not pick giant?
09:30 <krm26> i'm planning on "unaligned wombat"
09:30 <mobileuser> lol
09:30 <krm26> k2, what is the drood race matrix looking like? you said all neutral right?
09:30 <K2> yes
09:31 <K2> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/role.c#L223-L224
09:31 <hackemslashem> Trapped doors are using TRAPPED_DOOR, so looks fine there
09:32 <mobileuser> ah tortle too
09:32 <krm26> havent done a tortle since bracers
09:32 <krm26> but i'll probably just do human for 1st attempt if given my druthers
09:32 <mobileuser> I'm playing a tortle tourist atm
09:33 <krm26> centaur will be fastest and bestest
09:33 <mobileuser> yup
09:35 <krm26> what is the bracers TAMING property? like, invoke to (scroll of taming)?
09:36 <krm26> which, if so, INSANE
09:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Pri Dwa Mal Law), 644 points, T:1337, killed by a bugbear
09:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Inf Ith Mal Una), 91 points, T:240, killed by a newt, while praying
09:42 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> yeah scroll effect krm26
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09:51 <Announcy> EvilHack Commits: Druids and bonuses/penalties vs certain materials. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/7062685ef0f0ff1aac65201f01040096e4782cc1
09:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Hea Dwa Mal Neu), 246 points, T:815, killed by a bugbear
10:00 <krm26> k2...you know that euro mistletoe is seriously toxic to humans, yeah?
10:01 <krm26> im not sure what your plans are for it but you should need an amulet of poison resistance to eat it :-)
10:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a small glob of gray ooze, on T:3040 (0:13:41)
10:01 <K2> this is african mistletoe. brought over by an african swallow
10:01 <krm26> and so should your horse
10:02 <krm26> you mean california mistletoe, the desert mistletoe? its berries are edible
10:02 <krm26> african swallows gonna have a hard time finding african mistletoe
10:02 <krm26> monty python will not save you from my pedantry
10:03 <krm26> anyway -- would be kind of fun to have a poisonous food item
10:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Hea Dwa Mal Neu) had a wooden helm of brilliance entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:1611 (0:09:31)
10:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:4224 (0:20:16)
10:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4608 (0:22:37)
10:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Rat King, on T:18783 (3:53:43)
10:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (mind flayers), on T:18801 (3:54:30)
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10:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Hea Dwa Mal Neu), 1026 points, T:2782, killed by a couatl of Athena
10:27 <Loggers_VIII> there's a lotta things I dislike about nerf but the first caveman gift being an artifact aklys is something that should be in every variant
10:28 <Loggers_VIII> keolewa should just be an aklys
10:29 <Loggers_VIII> it would still be kinda lame but a little better than it is now
10:30 <mobileuser> or maybe keolewa should return to your hand if you are a cave(wo)man
10:30 <mobileuser> to make that role more interesting
10:31 <Loggers_VIII> maybe but then keolewa is still lame for other roles
10:32 <Loggers_VIII> +1d6 damage that's also elemental is just bad, especially on a bad base weapon like a club
10:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a wraith corpse, on T:7158 (0:45:41)
10:34 <hackemslashem> I'm glad you like it, it was kind of a last minute inspired thing too
10:34 <mobileuser> question about prayer timeout, the wiki says: "If you are experiencing a major trouble, Gods will accept your prayer if your timeout is less than 201."
10:35 <mobileuser> I don't really understand that
10:36 <krm26> maybe there should be a "heavy club" for keolewa like there are heavy maces and war hammers, to fix the damage
10:36 <mobileuser> does it mean that sometimes you can successfully pray if you have a major problem, when your god would become angry if you didn't have that problem?
10:36 <krm26> although i too am firmly in the aklysolewa club
10:36 <krm26> mobileuser, i think it indeed means that
10:36 <Loggers_VIII> that's how I read it too mobileuser
10:36 <Loggers_VIII> but take it with a grain of salt, the inner workings of prayer are sort of lost on me
10:36 <hackemslashem> Major troubles are a little more lenient than minor ones, very nice for things like illness
10:37 <mobileuser> I never knew that
10:37 <mobileuser> thanks!
10:39 <hackemslashem> I usually estimate the timeout as 1000 turns, but now reading the wiki, I'm seeing it gets higher with level :P
10:42 <Loggers_VIII> I feel fine praying after 300 turns but that's probably cuz I only use it for major trouble
10:43 <Loggers_VIII> unless I'm altar camping, in which case you know when you can pray
10:43 <mobileuser> my hungry nerf vampire needs to pray a *lot* :-)
10:44 <Loggers_VIII> hehe I NEVER mess with vampires cuz I really hate being hungry in nethack
10:44 <Loggers_VIII> I can play around it easy enough but it just irritates me
10:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:8762 (0:58:35)
10:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2714 (0:20:22)
10:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a panther, on T:9138 (1:02:07)
10:59 <K2> Loggers_VIII did you feel that way playing convict also?
11:02 <Loggers_VIII> K2: not really, unlike vampires there's no added challenge to getting full, you just don't start with food
11:02 <Loggers_VIII> so outside of the first thousand turns or so, they play similarly to other roles
11:03 <Loggers_VIII> (in terms of nutrition management)
11:09 <mobileuser> it can be a problem for draugr
11:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 8701 points, T:8406, petrified by a chickatrice
11:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1382 points, T:1274, killed by a wand
11:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 975 points, T:962, poisoned by a giant mosquito
11:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1155 (0:06:25)
11:44 <krm26> draugr dl1 fountain wish DEFINITELY ring of slow digestion
11:44 <krm26> fixes their only weakness!
11:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1002 points, T:1061, killed by the Goblin King
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12:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:5095 (0:38:14)
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12:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a pair of levitation boots entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:6999 (0:55:26)
12:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:21704 (5:09:03)
12:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:9468 (1:19:25)
13:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law), 16554 points, T:10701, killed by a gnome lady, while sleeping
13:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 149 points, T:667, killed by an arrow
13:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1494 (0:09:52)
13:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +2 grayswandir", on T:1604 (0:11:56)
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13:39 <K2> krm26 i was looking to see if there was any kind of function that checked to see if the player is standing next to a terrain feature
13:40 <K2> kinda like mnexto() <--- next to a monster or obj_nexto() <--- next to an object
13:40 <K2> i'm not seeing one
13:40 <K2> i just asked paxed if one exists
13:40 <K2> ah, he doesn't believe there is
13:41 <jonadab> Sounds like someone should write one.
13:42 <K2> yeah
13:42 <jonadab> Since the existing two are mnexto and obj_nexto, obviously the new one should be called something like nextto_t for symetry.
13:42 <K2> at first glance, could maybe use obj_nexto() and obj_nexto_xy() as a template
13:42 <K2> (the first is a simple wrapper for the 2nd)
13:42 <jonadab> This _is_ the NetHack codebase after all.
13:43 <jonadab> I wouldn't be surprised if monster decision making uses obj_nexto_xy as well.
13:43 <jonadab> For its own purposes.
13:43 <jonadab> (Then again, it might have its own version that works slightly differently.)
13:45 <K2> its used sparingly in 3.6
13:46 <K2> ah there's nexttodoor() in mkroom.c
13:47 <K2> bingo
13:47 <hackemslashem> Noice
13:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 5917 points, T:5196, killed by a rope golem
13:54 <K2> hah that compiled first go
13:54 <K2> lets see if this works
13:56 <K2> \o/
13:56 <K2> you are a go at this station
14:05 <jonadab> Ah, so you parameterize and rename nexttodoor, and make a new nexttodoor that calls your renamed function with ... oh, hmm, there's more than one constant for door, though, isn't there.
14:05 <jonadab> Ick.
14:06 <jonadab> Maybe just copy the function and leave nexttodoor as it is.
14:06 <jonadab> I hate code duplication, but the alternative (passing a callback that checks whether a given terrain passes the test or not) is also pretty yucky.
14:08 <jonadab> Or I _suppose_ you could pass the same constant multiple times if you're only interested in one possible terrain feature. 
14:08 <jonadab> And slap a wrapper around that... but function proliferation.
14:13 <K2> you'll see
14:13 <K2> about to commit
14:13 <K2> just needed to run a couple tests to confirm it's behaving the way i want it to
14:13 <K2> (so far so good)
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14:30 <Announcy> EvilHack Commits: New function: nexttotree(). https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/23ed869889613aedc79b67222f51ed31408967d6
14:30 <K2> ^ krm26 :P
14:30 <K2> and jonadab
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14:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2212 (0:15:51)
14:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 8681 points, T:4984, killed by a leocrotta
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15:09 <Announcy> EvilHack Commits: Update copyright year to 2025. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/f63ae9bb1c1f18be97936ee6dab7d6df76c63e2e
15:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed splungetoo's ghost, the former Excursionist, on T:1378 (0:09:32)
15:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2858 (0:21:01)
15:36 <krm26> you da man k2
15:37 <krm26> bears scratching their backs on trees incoming!
15:38 <Loggers_VIII> will this be accompanied by the various new types of trees that each bear will have preferences for over others
15:39 <krm26> Message from my game: "The brown bear squats against the yellow spruce and scrapes her back up and down."
15:39 <krm26>                 r"/{a} (rubs|scrapes|scratches) {axp} back (against|on) the {tree}."
15:39 <Loggers_VIII> also krm26 the masses want to play your game so give it to k2 so he can host it pls \
15:39 <Loggers_VIII> the masses in question: me
15:40 <krm26> i dont want to bug him more than once a year, im gonna wait this year until summer
15:40 <krm26> anyway once bears can scratch themselves in evilhack my game has no purpose!
15:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 9 magical throwing stars on an altar, on T:3383 (0:26:41)
15:41 <krm26> k2, is there going to be some visual indication of entangling?
15:41 <Loggers_VIII> he can be bugged. he is a bug-acclimated man
15:42 <krm26> or just gotta farlook over things?
15:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 24060 points, T:9198, quit
15:43 <krm26> srsly i dont want to be the guy spewing too much non-evilhack content in the evilhack channel
15:43 <Loggers_VIII> sorry sorry
15:44 <Loggers_VIII> I think it's time to dump some more runs into evil pacifist, nerfhack is irritating me again :p
15:44 <krm26> i'll keep you on my notification list of availability tho loggers, you are now #2 :-)
15:44 <Loggers_VIII> nerfhack is a weird kind of masochism that's for people who like going to the DMV or something
15:44 <krm26> gotta wait for drood for a real pacifist attempt -- those crazy infinite taming bracers
15:45 <Loggers_VIII> evilhack is the traditional, fun kind of masochism where someone just beats the hell out of you
15:45 <Loggers_VIII> heh krm26 glad to hear
15:45 <Loggers_VIII> (I kind of jest re: nerfhack, I'm just bad)
15:46 <K2> could use shieldeff() for entanglement
15:46 <krm26> so loggers what race are you gonna try druids with? i'm trying to find a gap in racial coverage so i have a chance at a first ascension :-)
15:47 <K2> lol dmv
15:47 <Loggers_VIII> hmmm probably tortle? cuz I'm the tortle lover
15:49 <Loggers_VIII> does evilhack have the thing where you can underline peacefuls?
15:49 <K2> si
15:49 <K2> its off by default, enable it in your cfg
15:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed figurine of a celestial dragon named Mishi-Gwiingwa'aage", on T:3 (0:00:15)
15:50 <Loggers_VIII> ah cool cool
15:50 <Loggers_VIII> I saw that in nerf, pretty nice
15:50 <K2> OPTIONS=underline_peacefuls
15:50 <hackemslashem> I just went to the DMV for the first time in probably 5 years, did not miss it 
15:50 <Loggers_VIII> thank ye kindly
15:50 <Loggers_VIII> the DMV is about a million times worse than nerfhack :P
15:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3761 (0:36:19)
15:51 <Loggers_VIII> nerfhack caveman is kinda the best caveman in any variant ngl
15:52 <hackemslashem> But it's funny, it it was the DMV in Sweden, it would have been silent or really quiet. The DMV in america, everybody was chatting and small talking lol. I miss that kind of stuff a lot :)
15:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a staff of matter entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:745 (0:04:36)
15:54 <Loggers_VIII> Hermes may I have some armor perchance
15:55 <K2> that's still a great early gift for a healer
15:55 <Loggers_VIII> it's gonna be great if I can survive long enough to polypile
16:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2342 (0:10:38)
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16:33 <K2> mobileuser I have a serious question for you
16:33 <mobileuser> uh oh
16:33 <K2> what do you do for slow drain with your kitchen sink?
16:34 <K2> we've had the new sink for over 4 yrs and it has finally started to drain slowly
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16:34 <K2> i'm assuming gunk build up in the pipes over time
16:34 <K2> wow
16:34 <K2> he left
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16:34 <K2> ask a hard question, *poof*
16:34 <K2> you left when I needed you most!
16:34 <mobileuser> and back :-)
16:34 <Pinkbeast> Get one of these https://www.screwfix.com/p/monument-tools-master-plunger-80mm/295kh - so much better than the old rubber hat on a stick - and bounce it up and down
16:35 <mobileuser> I have to confess my wife is the one who deals with things like that....
16:35 <Pinkbeast> (ideally on the sink drain, but it's pretty fun to bounce it up and down anyway)
16:35 <K2> this is my plan B
16:35 <K2> (we have just the regular plunger)
16:35 <Pinkbeast> Failing that I'd lend you my drain rods but they are on the wrong continent
16:35 <K2> i'm about to pour a large pot worth of boiling water down the sink
16:36 <K2> and follow up with a bit of baking soda/white vinegar
16:36 <K2> septic safe stuff
16:36 <K2> i'm assuming gunk build up in the pipes over time as the issue
16:37 <K2> pvc pipes, stuff builds up and sticks
16:37 <K2> older iron pipes, nothing sticks (but then you have all sorts of other issues)
16:38 <Pinkbeast> Oh also the blockage may not be where you think it is - the water level in my bog is high, it means the pipe in the street is blocked. I don't even see how that's possible, but it is.
16:38 <K2> ugh
16:38 <K2> nothing else is slow draining in the house, so I'm assuming the issue lies with the pipes directly under the sink
16:39 <Pinkbeast> Well, at least drain rods aren't bamboo anymore (also for me that's good news because once it's off my property the water company has to come and unblock it)
16:39 <K2> been this way for almost a month
16:39 <K2> i need to acquire some drain rods
16:39 <K2> using a bent metal coat hanger is not ideal
16:40 <Pinkbeast> Especially once you need 3 metres' worth
16:40 <K2> bleh
16:40 <Pinkbeast> Modern ones are almost unbreakable, just have to remember to turn them the right way
16:41 <K2> yeah
16:41 <K2> alright, water is at a boil. brb
16:47 <K2> welp
16:47 <K2> that sorts helped
16:47 <K2> *sorta
16:47 <K2> plan B!
16:47 <mobileuser> \o/
16:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3783 (0:37:01)
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17:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9235 (1:48:14)
17:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3515 (0:18:25)
17:07 <K2> plunger for the win
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17:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "sdflkj", on T:4432 (0:30:59)
17:26 <mobileuser> splunger
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17:28 <Announcy> EvilHack Commits: Change 'Be seeing you' message on save. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/a2223d70c600cfc67ac3c4657f3d14b55f6a9e70
17:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5968 (0:43:09)
17:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 2981 points, T:6141, killed by a leocrotta
17:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:12135 (2:17:08)
17:39 <aosdict> k2 the noted fan of tombstone (1993)
17:39 <K2> \o/
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17:47 <rld> <@hackemslashem> "don't let the screen door hit ya ass on the way out"
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17:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had a magical quarterstaff entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:14494 (2:41:46)
17:56 <Umbire> ab k2
17:56 <K2> oooh magical
17:57 <K2> hi
17:57 <Hecubus> Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack
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18:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3958 (0:39:36)
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18:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 6704 points, T:5273, killed by a leocrotta
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18:38 <K2> aaaah
18:38 <K2> i see what I did to cause a crash with explosions
18:39 <K2> forgot to call ((mtmp = m_at(sx, sy)) != 0) for entangled monsters
18:39 <K2> whew, easy fix
18:39 <K2> this is only on 0.9.0 branch, not current/live
18:39 <K2> (0.9.0 being 'master')
18:44 <Umbire> yay
18:49 <K2> exploding doors still burn you and open inventory stuff
18:49 <K2> maybe some of you are wielding dichotomy when this happens
18:49 <K2> and think exploding doors were nerfed
18:52 <rld> <@Loggers_XI> are exploding doors still bugged in evilhack to where they can spawn on level 1?
18:52 <K2> no that was never a thing
18:53 <K2> they initially spawned as early as dlvl 3-5 i think
18:53 <K2> bumped that to a lot deeper down a looong time
18:53 <K2> time ago
18:54 <rld> <@Loggers_XI> gun to my head I have died to a door trap on level 1 in evilhack
18:54 <rld> <@Loggers_XI> hrm. time to dig through hella logs
18:54 <Umbire> I still remember when fuckin', giant spider rooms were like DL 4 give or take
18:55 <aosdict> in vanilla
18:55 <aosdict> DL 1 even in vanilla
18:55 <aosdict> loggers you're making a lot of these gun to your head bets recently
18:56 <K2> nerfhack is rotting his brain
18:56 <K2> smoothing out the few wrinkles he has left
18:56 <rld> <@Loggers_XI> lmao k2
18:56 <K2> :P
18:56 <aosdict> or nerfhack is making him yearn for the sweet embrace of death
18:56 <rld> <@Loggers_XI> maybe I have a thing for getting held at gunpoint
18:57 <Announcy> EvilHack Commits: Fix: explosion causing a crash (mentangled). https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/174de7ab1dcce58f1ada619c61cc42235493907d
18:57 <rld> <@Loggers_XI> and made to answer trivial questions about ASCII roguelikes
18:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed davez's ghost, the former Magician, on T:20035 (3:42:45)
18:57 <rld> <@Loggers_XI> what’s the message for dying to a door trap?
18:57 <K2> like 'why is flipped soko so stupid' ?
18:57 <K2> exploding door maybe? i forget
18:59 <rld> <@Loggers_XI> K2: because it’s stupid, obviously
18:59 <K2> duh
19:00 <K2> crap... gonna have to start collecting forms for filing taxes
19:00 <K2> no fun
19:01 <aosdict> every year at new years I get a surge of motivation for filing taxes, then remember I can't because I don't have any of the documents I need yet
19:04 <K2> yup
19:04 <K2> we already have a couple but they'll start coming in soon
20:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:25777 (6:08:55)
20:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2670 points, T:3300, killed by a giant bat, while fainted from lack of food
20:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:116001 (1 day, 5:19:31)
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20:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:21188 (4:19:09)
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21:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1913 (0:14:14)
21:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3094 (0:24:36)
21:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "sdflkj", on T:3124 (0:24:52)
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22:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] tinklebear (Ran Elf Mal Neu), 103 points, T:374, killed by trying to drink molten lava
22:51 <K2> more druid spells
22:51 <K2> MOAR
22:55 <Umbire> oh?
22:56 <Umbire> also evil uses the 3.6.1(-7) speed system, right?
22:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 12979 points, T:9855, killed by a flesh golem
22:58 <K2> yeah
23:00 <K2> and yeah Umbire I have at least 3-4 more druid spells in the pipeline
23:00 <K2> havent even started in on their special polymorph ability yet
23:00 <K2> saving the hardest for last
23:01 <Umbire> aha
23:01 <Umbire> oh, how does slowing for the PC work in evil
23:01 <Umbire> as in, does it nullify speed properties before making them slower for the duration
23:01 <Umbire> or is it like, a fraction of their speed after all the other stuff is accounted for
23:03 <K2> its no different than 3.6.7
23:03 <K2> there's one case added for a monster wading in sewage, but that's just the effect on/off, not the effect itself
23:04 <Umbire> I mean far as what little I know, the PC can't be slowed proper and just loses intrinsic speed
23:04 <Umbire> in vanilla
23:05 <K2> um
23:05 <K2> i dont think that's true
23:05 <K2> one moment
23:05 <Umbire> lemme see myself...
23:06 <Umbire> yep, self-zapping myself as a gnomish ranger (no intrinsic speed) doesn't seem to do anything
23:07 <K2> in evilhack or what?
23:07 <Umbire> vanilla
23:08 <Umbire> I know it DOES do something in evilhack and I'm trying to figure out the exact mechanics
23:08 <K2> look at the function
23:08 <K2> u_slow_down()
23:08 <Umbire> which is why I specified for the PC, since I know it's similar for monsters minus the added sewage case
23:09 <K2> evilhack does do it different
23:09 <K2> huh
23:09 <K2> i wonder if that was a sporkhack edit
23:09 <K2> yeah
23:09 <Umbire> https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/d3c57e1b427bfbf83424c59628b3b7581113d419/src/mhitu.c#L161 
23:10 <Umbire> vanilla only checks for intrinsic speed and takes it if you have it
23:10 <Umbire> lemme find that in 3.6.7 so I can cite it
23:10 <K2> 3.6.7 and 3.7 dev, u_slow_down() is identical
23:11 <K2> yup i took sporkhack's changes
23:12 <Umbire> and those changes are goin' on the article, natch
23:15 <Umbire> far as how those changes actually function I'll resort to source diving
23:15 <Umbire> thanks for the clarifications
23:21 <Umbire> can see sources of slowing for the PC in spork code, but where is their speed itself handled...
23:22 <Umbire> https://github.com/NHTangles/sporkhack/blob/8d6bc8e9042c52159688ab06ef7376f432ee7b6b/include/permonst.h#L72 would this be it
23:24 <K2> look in worn.c for the function that handles monster slowing
23:24 <K2> mon_slow<something>
23:24 <K2> i think
23:24 <Umbire> I mean the PC's speed rather than a monster but that might still help actually
23:25 <K2> pc speed is u_slow_down() in mhitu.c
23:25 <K2> monster speed in in worn.c
23:26 <Umbire> I mean like, what would the adjustments from the base come to - though according to permonst.h a slowed PC would have 9 speed and a very slow one would have 3
23:27 <K2> i dont off the top of my head
23:27 <K2> you're on the right track
23:27 <Umbire> https://github.com/NHTangles/sporkhack/blob/8d6bc8e9042c52159688ab06ef7376f432ee7b6b/include/permonst.h#L72
23:27 <Umbire> so would have to assume that'd be it
23:27 <K2> most current sporkhack is https://github.com/k21971/SporkHack
23:30 <Umbire> https://github.com/K21971/sporkhack/blob/master/include/permonst.h#L72 yep
23:30 <Umbire> same
23:30 <Umbire> I guess the speed code for fast or very fast heroes applies double speed every so and so amount of turns
23:33 <Umbire> or actions or w/e
23:38 <Umbire> looks much the same for Evil
23:41 <Umbire> hmmm, let's wiz test
23:41 <Umbire> if it's the same 2/3 for the PC as it is for the monster I need an 8 speed mon
23:43 <Umbire> huh, was still slightly faster
23:43 <Umbire> used a gnome lord
23:43 <Umbire> now a speed 9 mon...
23:44 <Umbire> same deal
23:44 <Umbire> guess it works with random deductions of movement points then
23:46 <Umbire> which makes sense but means I won't be able to guess a slowed hero's effective speed like I'd hoped to
23:46 <Umbire> ah well, nbd
23:48 <Umbire> thanks again!
23:48 <K2> o/