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00:41 <NetSysFire> K2: does this apply more to you or mobileuser? https://i.redd.it/iiadoiiw1v8e1.png
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05:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1800 (0:14:19)
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05:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2958 points, T:3834, killed by the Goblin King
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06:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 4768 points, T:4435, zombified by a gnome zombie
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06:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Mal Neu) had an axe entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:7426 (2:29:26)
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07:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a pair of gauntlets of power entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:10968 (3:56:35)
07:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a leather bag of holding, on T:18197 (2:55:36)
07:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:11065 (4:00:23)
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08:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:7665 (2:35:59)
08:11 <K2> NetSysFire both
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08:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:8548 (2:53:03)
08:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Mal Neu) used a forge to create Glamdring, on T:8760 (2:56:12)
08:30 <mobileuser> heh
08:30 <mobileuser> DISHES!!!
08:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 792 points, T:1078, killed by a hobbit
08:40 <mobileuser> You kill the tortle shaman!
08:40 <mobileuser> FINALLY
08:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:9276 (3:09:53)
08:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:12682 (5:16:19)
08:47 <krm26> heh mobileuser, i too was blocked by a tortle shaman for a long time
08:47 <krm26> dirge finally solved that problem
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08:55 <mobileuser> noice
08:56 <mobileuser> as a slow dex 10 tortle it's so hard to hit things
08:57 <mobileuser> well, early knight doesn't have great dex either I think
09:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 5753 points, T:6350, killed by the Goblin King, while sleeping
09:11 <krm26> lucked into a blessed magic lamp at orctown -- trying to decide if i should roll the dice on p'hul since i got reflection from sokoban
09:14 <mobileuser> I just had an uncursed magic lamp drop , no holy water yet. I stole an MR amulet from a shop, so I am likely hanging on the lamp anyway...
09:14 <mobileuser> * on to
09:15 <krm26> really want this demonbane lying around in a shop on dl3, but due to webbing i cant steal it
09:15 <mobileuser> cut the webbing?
09:15 <krm26> is the like F with sting?
09:15 <mobileuser> yes
09:15 <krm26> but not with dirge
09:16 <mobileuser> any edged weapon
09:16 <mobileuser> it's just that Sting always works the first time
09:16 <krm26> oh RLY. for some reason i thought it was a sting-specific behavior
09:16 <krm26> man i know nothing
09:16 <mobileuser> yeah only the always-succeed is Sting specific
09:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11549 (2:41:19)
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09:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 78 points, T:298, killed by a goblin
09:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:10297 (3:37:21)
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10:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible davez's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:1579 (0:09:48)
10:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Manannan Mac Lir, on T:16524 (6:42:35)
10:14 <krm26> orc town, orc temple, woo
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10:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2553 (0:26:38)
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10:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 13 points, T:170, killed by a fox
10:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:3118 (0:33:43)
10:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 5549 points, T:3156, disintegrated by an antimatter vortex
10:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1626 (0:10:29)
10:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) destroyed karibou's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:17771 (4:00:51)
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10:55 <Imanity> Should I wish for an archangel figurine? Since they can wear more armor than archons?
10:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:20106 (3:25:57)
10:57 <Umbire> Can figurines of them even generate?
10:57 <Umbire> Like if they can then go for it sure
10:57 <Imanity> Yes, I tried in wizmode
10:58 <Umbire> then it's your trigger to pull cap'n
11:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3664 (0:28:38)
11:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Inf Ith Mal Una), 5020 points, T:3790, killed by an ape, while being terrified of a ghost
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11:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:21689 (3:46:47)
11:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:21694 (3:47:00)
11:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "sdflkj", on T:3917 (0:21:56)
11:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed splungetoo's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:2774 (0:20:28)
11:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had a quarterstaff entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:23218 (3:54:29)
11:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4870 (0:29:12)
11:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 6494 points, T:5826, killed by a bolt of cold
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11:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 418 points, T:1586, killed by a jackal, while frozen by a monster's gaze
11:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 9090 points, T:3541, poisoned by a gargantuan spider
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11:47 <Loggers_VIII> imanity: I'm pretty sure archangels are marked as notame so you won't be able to get a tame one from a fig
11:47 <Imanity> yeah, prob just a wizmode quirk
11:48 <Loggers_VIII> you can get a figurine, it'll just not be tame ever
11:49 <Imanity> Youre able to activate them successfully in wizmode
11:49 <Imanity> But prob not in the base game
11:49 <Loggers_VIII> ya I tested in explore mode and 10 blessed figs in a row were hostile so I think that's conclusive enough :p
11:50 <Imanity> That would be fairly sad. To lose a wish, and have one of the strongest mobs in the game breathing down your neck
11:50 <Loggers_VIII> I personally think that feature is pretty dumb
11:51 <Imanity> Yep. Archons are wishable for, so archangels should be
11:51 <Umbire> yeah that feels like a case where they should be nofig
11:51 <Umbire> though that makes for an incongruence with archons
11:51 <Imanity> esp since archons are numerically stronger
11:51 <Loggers_VIII> I don't think any regular monster should be nofig or notame tbh
11:51 <Umbire> ngl I was p. puzzled when I found Archangels were always hostile in practice
11:51 <Umbire> well yeah but Archangels ain't normal monsters now are they :B
11:52 <Loggers_VIII> they ain't unique so they're normal
11:52 <Umbire> ur normal
11:52 <Imanity> xD
11:52 <Loggers_VIII> I have evidence to the contrary
11:52 <Loggers_VIII> :P
11:52 <Umbire> :B
11:52 <Loggers_VIII> also I want a neothelid pet and I can't have one
11:52 <Umbire> lmao
11:53 <Umbire> @e?angel
11:53 <Hecubus> Angel (A) | Lvl: 14 | Diff: 19 | Spd: 10 | Res: cold sleep shock poison magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 55 | Gen: dungeons | AC: -4 | Atk: 1d6 weapon physical, 1d6 weapon physical, 1d4 claw physical, 2d6 cast magic missile | Align: 12 | flies, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravis
11:53 <Umbire> @e?Archangel
11:53 <Hecubus> Archangel (A) | Lvl: 18 | Diff: 25 | Spd: 16 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison petrification magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 70 | Gen: special | AC: -6 | Atk: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 1d8 claw physical, 4d6 cast clerical, 2d6 hug physical | Align: 15 | flies, regen, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravis
11:53 <Loggers_VIII> @e?archon
11:53 <Hecubus> Archon (A) | Lvl: 19 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 16 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 80 | Gen: dungeons | AC: -6 | Atk: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 2d6 gaze blind, 1d8 claw physical, 4d6 cast spell | Align: 15 | flies, regen, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravis
11:53 <Umbire> I almost want angels to grow up into archangels
11:53 <Imanity> That would be kinda dope
11:53 <Loggers_VIII> makes sense too
11:53 <Imanity> Maybe hostile ones too, after slaying a certain number of demons
11:54 <Loggers_VIII> oh huh, archangels resist stoning
11:55 <Loggers_VIII> okay tbh I'm going to play some pacifist stuff now that I got thinking about pets
11:55 <Umbire> I've never really tried it despite loving exotic pets
11:56 <Umbire> must be the Pokemon
11:56 <Imanity> I only really like pets to get me through the early game
11:56 <krm26> there is nothing like a bunch of dragons
11:57 <Loggers_VIII> I still have fond memories of my archon pet that killed tiamat singlehandedly
11:57 <krm26> get a nice yellow dragon in silver barding and feed him all the valley and vecna wraiths
11:57 <Imanity> that's the dream xD
11:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18985 (8:28:15)
12:01 <Loggers_VIII> @e?celestial dragon
12:01 <Hecubus> celestial dragon (D) | Lvl: 30 | Diff: 34 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire cold sleep shock acid petrification | Confer: sleep shock | MR: 50 | Gen: special | AC: -6 | Atk: 16d4 scream loud, 4d8 bite physical, 4d6 claw physical, 4d6 claw physical, 4d4 cast clerical | Align: 0 | carnivore, flies, thick hide, oviparous, regen, seeinvis, nopoly
12:01 <krm26> they would be the absolute best pet if they could engulf :-)
12:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a ring mail entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:19230 (8:36:51)
12:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:19289 (8:37:51)
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12:12 <Imanity> 3 consecutive levels with temples...
12:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed figurine of a celestial dragon named Mishi-Gwiingwa'aage", on T:1937 (0:14:32)
12:13 <Loggers_VIII> magic lamp at minetown, this is a good paci start
12:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had an oilskin cloak entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:19549 (8:42:57)
12:14 <Loggers_VIII> omg these roars are so good
12:17 <krm26> damn stormbringer
12:17 <Loggers_VIII> oh damn and a bugle, great great start
12:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:19461 (4:52:07)
12:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide bracers of decay", on T:2377 (0:21:09)
12:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4776 (0:39:19)
12:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3402 (0:28:32)
12:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 5185 points, T:3495, killed by an electric shock
12:27 <Loggers_VIII> probably the most amazing pacifist start ever, instakilled by a chest trap :D
12:27 <Loggers_VIII> well, so it goes
12:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:5607 (0:44:02)
12:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 4762 points, T:5875, killed by an orc shaman
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12:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:27173 (4:38:39)
12:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4077 (0:18:04)
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12:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 4802 points, T:5758, killed by an orc shaman
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13:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 1073 points, T:2178, killed by a rabid dog, while fainted from lack of food
13:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1733 (0:17:11)
13:13 <Imanity> Still dont have a ring of free action or slow digestion, and in the valley :P
13:14 <Imanity> Maybe I just wish for ring of p'hul
13:16 <jonadab> Eh, just go no-jewelery for the rest of the game, no problem.
13:16 <Imanity> lol
13:19 <Loggers_VIII> if I don't have FA after vecna I polypile for it and if I somehow don't have it after that I just don't use it lol
13:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1848 (0:10:05)
13:19 <Imanity> I almost died upon entering the valley, from a ghost+barbed devil combo
13:20 <Loggers_VIII> free action doesn
13:20 <Imanity> really need it this game, I think
13:20 <Loggers_VIII> doesn't protect from ghost scare though
13:20 <Imanity> Doesnt it?
13:20 <Loggers_VIII> nah, if you don't wanna get ghost scared you gotta get see invis
13:20 <Imanity> Oh just checked wiki
13:20 <Umbire> p. sure the ghost's scaring attack is nomul
13:21 <Imanity> Guess I better get crowned then :P
13:21 <Loggers_VIII> yep :)
13:22 <Umbire> oh hold on
13:22 <Umbire> free action for monsters stop ghost scares
13:22 <Umbire> (from milky potions)
13:23 <Umbire> the temple ghost is nomul
13:23 <Imanity> Ghosts or not, proceeding without free action is likely trolling
13:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1918 points, T:2525, killed by a giant cockroach, while dressing up
13:23 <Imanity> Just a matter of time before I get stunlocked
13:24 <Umbire> yeah ghost scaring attacks are free action-able
13:25 <Umbire> and don't work if you can see invisible
13:26 <Loggers_VIII> wiztesting it seems like they low-key work the exact same with or without fa
13:26 <Loggers_VIII> xtesting, whatever
13:28 <Loggers_VIII> I'm like consistently getting paralyzed for only 2 or 3 turns
13:28 <Loggers_VIII> with or without FA
13:28 <Loggers_VIII> also the amount of turns is the same every time, I just dunno whether to call it 2 or 3
13:29 <jonadab> Fencepost issue?  two turns on which you can't act, so it's three turns until you can?
13:29 <Umbire> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/c5df38caa5235e0dfc0a2e469ab980a7f47a2592/src/mhitu.c#L1956C1-L1956C33
13:30 <Umbire> botched link slightly but it's -rnd(10)
13:30 <Umbire> educated guess it it's weighted towards lower values?
13:35 <Loggers_VIII> I mean you can test yourself if you want it always does the same amount of turns
13:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 780 points, T:1313, killed by a large spider
13:36 <Loggers_VIII> like literally always
13:37 <Loggers_VIII> okay to be fair I have no way to conclusively prove it is always the same number
13:37 <Loggers_VIII> but I think if you calculate the odds of me getting the same amount of paralysis turns 20 times in a row without free action (which is what is happening) you will be convinced :P
13:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) murdered Nay, her faithful warhorse, on T:21547 (9:32:13)
13:40 <Imanity> Rip Nay :(
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14:27 <krm26> my daughter and her friend gave me the gift of poisoning our dog today...35g of dark chocolate, lethal dose for her weight :-P
14:28 <Imanity> Yikes
14:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 14012 points, T:7495, killed by a piranha
14:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed figurine of a celestial dragon named Mishi-Gwiingwa'aage", on T:4 (0:00:20)
14:41 <Loggers_VIII> that was annoying to scum for, but I wanted it pretty bad
14:41 <Imanity> Fountain wish?
14:41 <Loggers_VIII> and she's tame! cool
14:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:22702 (10:16:12)
14:41 <Loggers_VIII> imanity: smoky potion
14:41 <Imanity> Ooh
14:41 <Loggers_VIII> smoky potion start scumming isn't that bad for healer cuz you get 4 of two separate types
14:41 <Loggers_VIII> I actually also got a tame djinni from one of those potions :D
14:42 <jonadab> Ouch.  Also, wait, 35g is a lethal dose?  I know dogs are way more sensitive to the short-term medical effects of chocolate than humans are, but I think of grams as a quite small unit, even in dietary terms.
14:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:30648 (5:37:17)
14:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:30652 (5:37:28)
14:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:522 (0:03:38)
14:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 107 points, T:530, killed by a Green-elf
14:44 <Imanity> Are tame Djinni even that good? Always found them to be lackluster, even for early game
14:44 <krm26> like a little more than 1oz. the darker the chocolate, the worse it is -- the faux chocolate in a hershey's kiss amounts to basically nothing
14:44 <Loggers_VIII> oh woops, I forgot about the sting thing
14:44 <Loggers_VIII> imanity: no they kinda suck heh
14:44 <krm26> it is the artisanal super-dark stuff that is a problem
14:44 <Imanity> I always summon elves using sting and orcrist, just for their corpses
14:45 <krm26> yes, i think of them as kabob skewers for elves -- ordering an orcrist of elf for lunch pls
14:45 <Imanity> I think you can get up to 28% sleep res
14:45 <jonadab> I mean, I'm used to the stuff that's at least 60% cacao, but I guess I've never fed any of that to a dog, because, you know, it costs money.
14:46 <Loggers_VIII> I like to do it because sting sells for like 750 early on
14:46 <jonadab> So yeah, I had no idea such a modest quantity of chocolate could be fatal.
14:47 <jonadab> That's kinda scary.
14:47 <jonadab> I *have* seen what happens when a dog is fed grapes, and that's NOT pretty.
14:49 <Imanity> I remember when Gollum's ring used to sell for like 2k
14:49 <Imanity> those were the days
14:56 <rld> <@ginebig_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204191497331810338/1321929489239769108/IMG_3972.webp?ex=676f0646&is=676db4c6&hm=a5f398643f2d634d300418413049a9f20c194a00c6977517df8f2ee5eb7b7382&
14:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) completed his quest without incident, on T:30854 (5:39:31)
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15:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:31096 (5:45:06)
15:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 0 points, T:54, killed by a djinni
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15:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:31464 (5:55:18)
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15:33 <mobileuser> lol my tortle is so extremely slow that the vault guard appeared, that almost never happens to me
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15:49 <krm26> slow races are the worst
15:49 <Imanity> At least you can grab the magic key early tho
15:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law), 674 points, T:1620, killed by a bolt of fire
15:49 <Imanity> I couldnt get it for 2h
16:00 <krm26> wish evilhack wiki listed dragon alignments for knights
16:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a leather cloak entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:26219 (11:35:47)
16:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +2 Dragonbane", on T:15019 (5:10:40)
16:02 <krm26> i finally rubbed my lamp to try to get mr -- no wish :-(
16:02 <mobileuser> you didn't see that krm26
16:02 <mobileuser> oh...
16:03 <mobileuser> were we both rubbing magic lamps at the same time
16:04 <krm26> except i dont have your rng
16:04 <krm26> well, time to lose my crystal plate to a poly trap
16:04 <Imanity> Hopefully not eachothers :P
16:04 <krm26> dont kink-shame!
16:04 <Imanity> lol
16:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:33656 (6:22:04)
16:05 <mobileuser> we even hug vorpal jabberwocks
16:06 <Imanity> uwu
16:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:34454 (6:36:21)
16:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:34520 (6:37:50)
16:22 <mobileuser> tick tock tick tock...
16:25 <Imanity> I can't deal with this no light fuckery
16:25 <Imanity> 0 magic lamps all game
16:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed +3 Secespita", on T:34644 (6:41:25)
16:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) used a forge to create The Staff of the Archmagi, on T:34681 (6:42:05)
16:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Mal Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:16867 (5:41:44)
16:34 <krm26> eww lava pool big room
16:34 <Pinkbeast> free lava!
16:34 <Imanity> tasty
16:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a water elemental, on T:28131 (12:11:07)
16:36 <krm26> f me
16:36 <krm26> npc with poly wand
16:36 <krm26> so much for crystal plate mail
16:36 <krm26> kinda blows that water elemental transforming blows up your shit, youre just water
16:37 <Imanity> Ig from all that pressure
16:42 <krm26> well at least i got to lay a bunch of green dragon eggs
16:50 <mobileuser> oof
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16:51 <krm26> having no midgame access to mr is so me
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17:07 <Imanity> Can you still wish for dragonhide oilskin toques?
17:12 <krm26> nope
17:13 <krm26> oilskin has to be cloth
17:13 <krm26> so dragonhide toque of decay is fine
17:13 <Imanity> Nice
17:13 <Imanity> I guess that would provide the highest AC for helm slot?
17:13 <krm26> but just fixed oilskin toque
17:13 <krm26> highest ac is always gonna be dragonhide elven because of extra possible enchantment i think
17:13 <krm26> but dragonhide toque makes you immune to sonics, so it is a win
17:14 <krm26> dragonhide toque of esp/decay/excellence are all great depending
17:14 <Imanity> I'm an illithid, so only looking for the highest AC possible
17:14 <Imanity> Will get a dragonhide elven helm
17:14 <krm26> but leaves you always vulnerable to potential engame illithid priests/npcs
17:15 <Imanity> They cant touch my brains xD
17:15 <krm26> i mean, trading +2 peak ac for sonic res, not a bad deal usually
17:15 <Imanity> Maybe. I only really care about sonic res when fighting Michael
17:15 <Imanity> All those celestial dragons are a pain
17:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:10980 (1:27:15)
17:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:11104 (1:27:44)
17:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide elven helm", on T:34707 (6:42:59)
17:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 783 points, T:1110, killed by a djinni
17:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:11838 (1:31:26)
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17:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 18899 points, T:12325, killed by an elven watch captain
17:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:30607 (13:04:51)
17:31 <krm26> i think i have to get magic resistance from the magic eight ball :-P
17:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:35187 (6:50:56)
17:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had a magical steel dagger entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:35305 (6:53:52)
17:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (mind flayers), on T:20401 (5:04:17)
17:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:35399 (6:56:14)
17:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1681 points, T:1918, poisoned by a giant mosquito
17:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 894 points, T:1441, killed by a water demon, while praying
17:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:36040 (7:12:11)
17:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:1895 (0:15:43)
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17:59 <bigchopchop> lol. having a hard time training up twohanded sword, when my twohanded keeps cutting everyone in half too quickly.
18:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 3436 points, T:1907, killed by a giant leech
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18:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) wished for "Blessed +3 dragonhide alchemy smock", on T:36135 (7:17:04)
18:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) wished for "Blessed +3 stone gauntlets of power", on T:36136 (7:17:22)
18:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:36141 (7:17:59)
18:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:36142 (7:18:06)
18:16 <Imanity> That's a sexy 7 strong wand of wishing :)
18:20 <NetSysFire> wheres the grease kaizo
18:20 <Imanity> No need for grease. I'm an illithid
18:21 <Imanity> Unless you're talking about greased magic markers ;)
18:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2124 (0:22:49)
18:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3874 (0:29:39)
18:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 4188 points, T:4035, poisoned by a gray fungus, while praying
18:40 <K2> bigchopchop hahah
18:40 <K2> 1st world probs
18:42 <K2> krm26 - in next version, the in-game pokedex for monsters will show their alignment
18:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 5994 points, T:4622, killed by Ms. Wonotobo; the shopkeeper, while sleeping
18:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 78 points, T:289, killed by a goblin
18:52 <K2> hope you all had a great xmas
18:52 <K2> (for those of you that celebrate it)
18:52 <K2> don't want to make any assumptions :P
18:53 <Imanity> Was nice. How was yours, K2?
18:53 <K2> was good! we're finally back home. today was travel day
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18:54 <K2> mini-me had a great xmas, that's all that matters
18:54 <Imanity> Aye
18:54 <Umbire> 'lo K2
18:54 <K2> o/
18:55 <cbus> k2, merry xmas
18:55 <cbus> a bit late maybe :)
18:55 <Umbire> made some mahi to go with a bit of zucchini, couscous, etc.
18:56 <Umbire> then I wanna sit down and work on some Asmo stuff
18:56 <K2> nooice
18:56 <K2> cbus o/
19:03 <cbus> umbire, ooh yeah sounds good
19:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:3597 (0:21:54)
19:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3761 (0:22:51)
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19:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6647 (0:38:44)
19:35 <bigchopchop> happy xmas k2!
19:35 <K2> you as well!
19:40 <Loggers_VIII> late merry Christmas to those who celebrate
19:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 15763 points, T:8564, killed by a white unicorn
19:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:32347 (13:21:29)
19:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 574 points, T:850, killed by a giant cockroach
19:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1495 (0:11:45)
19:59 <K2> Loggers_VIII what'd you get from santa
20:00 <bigchopchop> trivia question. Correct me if I am wrong, but there is no practical way to scale a Large Split Mail, except with tiamat? Like the large armor is the only body armor a giant can wear, but also, no other polyform can wear the armor and wear scales?
20:02 <K2> for the large splint mail yes
20:02 <K2> any race can wear the scales
20:02 <bigchopchop> It's hard not to go chaotic for the ring of p'hul as a giant. but I am trying to work on other lawful builds as a samurai to not have to convert... but aslo dual wield 2handed swords :)
20:03 <K2> right now only giant samurai can wear large splint
20:03 <Loggers_VIII> K2: I got a foldable saw
20:03 <K2> i may lift that restriction
20:03 <K2> Loggers_VIII ooooh neat
20:04 <K2> is that what you wanted?
20:04 <bigchopchop> blessed foldable saw of excellence?
20:04 <Loggers_VIII> hell yeah it's super convenient
20:04 <K2> i got some xmas pajama pants. it has ninja ginferbread men fighting each other on them
20:04 <K2> 'oh snap!' and some are brken in half hah
20:05 <bigchopchop> K2 because vorpal monsters exist, there are build diversity challenges for giants if not chaotic.
20:05 <K2> *gingerbread
20:05 <Loggers_VIII> ninja gingerbread men is the sickest thing ever
20:05 <Loggers_VIII> are? whatever
20:05 <K2> heh
20:06 <K2> bigchopchop you know if you wield vorpal blade, you are granted immunity to being beheaded
20:06 <bigchopchop> my biggest wish would be if giants were partially resistant to vorpal attacks (like it just did a lot of damage but not 100%).
20:06 <bigchopchop> giants are meant to tank with their hp and regen, but vorpals negate that
20:06 <K2> that isnt going to happen
20:07 <K2> they have a head and a neck. they are fair game
20:07 <krm26> which is why we need a headless player race!
20:07 <K2> hah
20:07 <K2> krm26 the gelatinous cube
20:07 <krm26> no, face in chest -- no necklaces, no helmets
20:08 <krm26> blind if wear body armor or t-sirt
20:08 <krm26> would be awesome
20:08 <krm26> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headless_men
20:08 <krm26> akephalos
20:08 <K2> there was a scifi story i read ages ago, the main character got a brief glimpse into the future, received a message from a human 2 million + years in the future. face was on their torso, no actual head/neck
20:09 <krm26> i just think different gear-restriction challenge races are cool
20:09 <bigchopchop> could the tsrugi have the same benefit as vorpal?
20:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 3610 points, T:2676, killed by a giant cockroach, while sleeping
20:09 <krm26> why?
20:09 <bigchopchop> cause i don't think i can dual wield vorpal with lawful weapons
20:09 <K2> the tsurgi already has handling for huge/gigantic monsters
20:09 <krm26> vorpal is just a big dumb sword, not intelligent, right?
20:09 <krm26> should be able to use it with anything
20:10 <K2> vorpal is neutral
20:10 <K2> so it can be dual wielded with anything
20:10 <bigchopchop> ah
20:10 <K2> lawful cant be dual wielded with chaotic and vice versa
20:10 <krm26> anyway, like all of my crazy suggestions, i'm serious :-)  think about the face-in-chest akephalos, let is gestate in you like an alien wrapping around your heart
20:11 <bigchopchop> ya, I've tried to dual wield the tsrugi with sword of kas. but sadly... ;)
20:11 <krm26> no helm/necklace with blinding torso armor would be a cool challenge
20:11 <K2> krm26 that type of player would need specialized body armor
20:11 <krm26> you can still use boots/gloves/cloak/sheild|bracers!
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20:11 <K2> also, dragur was my last race
20:12 <K2> draugr
20:12 <K2> druid is gonna be last role
20:12 <krm26> that isnt what future-k2 thinks
20:12 <K2> dammit
20:12 <K2> definitely not adding any more roles after druid
20:12 <krm26> akephalos were good enough for both aeschylus and herodotus
20:12 <K2> making a new role from scratch is a lot of work
20:13 <K2> how do akephalos handle belly button lint?
20:13 <bigchopchop> The main crazy fun I am trying to have with Giant is dual wielding two handed weapons as an end-game build. But the vorpal problem is getting in the way of that fun!
20:14 <krm26> there really isnt a vorpal problem, if you see a purple J, change your armament or kill them at range
20:14 <K2> bigchopchop just keep vorpal blade on hand when you come across a vorpal J
20:14 <krm26> it is true you can be instakilled by a generated J (that has happened to me TWICE), but cest la vie
20:14 <krm26> the real screw is vorpal shamblers
20:14 <bigchopchop> maybe I just have to convert to chaotic, wear the ring of p'hul so I can wear an amulet of lifesaving against inevitable vorpal beast spawning next to me. with this build you don't have low enough AC to dodge those attacks.
20:15 <krm26> i accept that if a vorpal j generates next to me i may (and do) die
20:15 <Imanity> That's why you keep wands of tp in open inventory tho :P
20:15 <krm26> it wouldnt be that unreasonable to have certain monsters never generate adjacent, but i dont mind dying that way either
20:15 <bigchopchop> yep that's ended a few good runs for me
20:15 <Imanity> one zap, it goes on another mission to find you
20:15 <krm26> oh ive been killed by an adjacent-generated-vorpal without getting a single round
20:16 <Imanity> from a summon?
20:16 <krm26> yup
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20:16 <Imanity> nasty
20:16 <krm26> and ive been killed by one descending stairs without a round
20:16 <K2> tomorrow i'm gonna work on more druid spells
20:16 <K2> 'entangle' is in the queue
20:16 <krm26> awesome!
20:16 <krm26> put that web code to work
20:16 <Imanity> Just dont put moonkin form in, I beg xD
20:16 <K2> ahhh yeah
20:16 <Loggers_VIII> I want a druid spell that takes you to like a pocket dimension forest along with adjacent enemies
20:16 <K2> moonkin?
20:17 <krm26> world of warcraft
20:17 <K2> ah
20:17 <Imanity> The damaging form druids have in WoW
20:17 <krm26> owlbears with lasers
20:17 <K2> hahah
20:17 <Imanity> lol
20:17 <K2> on their frickin' heads
20:18 <bigchopchop> yep, been killed w/o a chance to react twice. Once, I had a single turn and by terrible luck, was mid inventory-management, w no escape items and burdened. Tried to use the eye of vecna as emergency item. It turns out that the wiki over-sells the one-shot death magic ability of the eye...  '=D
20:19 <krm26> when i get instagibbed (or faceplant myself) in the endgame, i think of it as a treat, i get to go back to the maximally fun early game :-)
20:20 <Imanity> Zombies biting your face off xD
20:20 <Imanity> I miss those days
20:21 <K2> krm26 you have to stop the excessive altar camping
20:21 <K2> you need help
20:21 <Loggers_VIII> vorpal J are like never an issue honestly
20:21 <krm26> ive barely altar camped at all the run. and so i'm screwed, because i have no magic resistance
20:21 <krm26> almost bit to poly twice already
20:22 <K2> i just had a thought
20:22 <Loggers_VIII> you only will ever see like 4 vorpal jabs if you play normally anyway
20:22 <Imanity> I see 4 in purgatory alone
20:22 <Loggers_VIII> death zap them or teleport them or bugle them
20:22 <Loggers_VIII> there's only like one guaranteed in purgatory
20:23 <K2> add bitfield to altars, like how fountains have. once you receive an artifact from an altar, that bit flips, no more artifacts from that altar (can still receive regular obj though)
20:23 <Imanity> Usually 2 on the way, 2 on the stairs
20:23 <krm26> well, bugle is just dicing with death, they can resist the scare. and wands of death can miss
20:23 <K2> i think in hackem or splicehack? i cant remember which - the altar is destroyed, which i do not like
20:23 <Loggers_VIII> I mean I melee them but those are the safe options :D
20:23 <Imanity> Thats why you tp everything in sight
20:24 <Imanity> if it moves, it gets yeeted
20:24 <Loggers_VIII> K2: think it's nerfhack
20:24 <Loggers_VIII> maybe it was in splice for a bit?
20:24 <K2> lemme look
20:24 <Loggers_VIII> I'll support that feature if you make it possible to influence which artifact you are gifted
20:25 <K2> eh?
20:25 <K2> you dont get to pick :P
20:25 <K2> there's the 1st guaranteed artifact some roles get
20:25 <Loggers_VIII> what if you get zero altars main dungeon and the one in minetown and the one in ice queen give you trollsbane and ogresmasher
20:26 <Imanity> then you wish for an artifact
20:26 <Loggers_VIII> yeah no shit I don't want to be forced to wish for an arti to make the endgame playable lol
20:26 <Imanity> and accept you're not playing dual wielding HotD and shadowsmasher, or whatever its called
20:26 <K2> you dont need to wish for anything
20:26 <Imanity> *HotG
20:26 <K2> there are some awesome weapons with obj properties that would suffice
20:26 <K2> and you can craft them
20:27 <K2> from hackem - After two artifact gifts have been bestowed, there is a chance an altar will be destroyed on every subsequent gift. The chance does not start as high as SpliceHack did, but it will grow with the number of gifts. Minion pets do count as gifts, but they will not have a chance to immediately destroy the altar.
20:27 <K2> ^ do not like
20:28 <Loggers_VIII> I am the forgemeister but obj properties is at best like +1d7 extra damage aren't they? and they're elementally inclined and you have to get lucky to even find something a) forgeable and b) with a good property and then you have to hope and pray that your forge doesn't get dried up to make what you want
20:30 <Loggers_VIII> *is -> are
20:30 <K2> in nerfhack it looks like altars wont appear in the main dungeon until after level 10
20:30 <K2> and they can become cracked and even form that way
20:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Tal'Gath, on T:38308 (7:55:40)
20:30 <K2> which means they could be destroyed from use
20:30 <K2> i also do not like that
20:31 <K2> Loggers_VIII - forging something with an obj prop, the odds of the forge cooling are low
20:32 <Loggers_VIII> it's like 1/8 isn't it
20:32 <K2> the more i think about it, the more i am liking my idea
20:32 <K2> 1/6
20:32 <Loggers_VIII> maybe 1/6
20:32 <K2> if i recall
20:32 <K2> anywho - drooood stuff first
20:33 <Loggers_VIII> heh if you do that I think hackem will become my new drug of choice
20:33 <K2> i doubt it :)
20:34 <K2> think about it - currently, altars are an unlimited source of artifacts
20:34 <K2> and we have to curb krm26's addiction
20:34 <Loggers_VIII> also literally no one is ever going to get AoR in that version of evilhack
20:35 <K2> maybe after x number of artifacts gifted
20:35 <aosdict> K2: would the altar still become "cracked" (or something else visually obvious) to indicate no more artifacts, even if it never can get completely destroyed, or would it be a hidden mechanic
20:35 <K2> not 1, but <some number>
20:35 <K2> aosdict good question
20:35 <K2> it prob should have a different descriptor
20:35 <Loggers_VIII> you need three unaligned artifacts to forge AoR, so you would be required to have at least four altars
20:35 <aosdict> that's my job, to ask good questions and get your ideas fleshed out o7
20:36 <K2> o/
20:36 <Loggers_VIII> I would be a little less concerned about it if you made it 2 per
20:36 <K2> 2-3 maybe
20:36 <K2> something
20:36 <K2> it cant be unlimited
20:36 <Loggers_VIII> *have at least four altars and get perfect rng
20:36 <K2> i wont destroy altars though
20:36 <K2> that's not good imo
20:37 <aosdict> Loggers_VIII: great for arcs!
20:37 <Loggers_VIII> my stance on it is simple enough. using fun artifacts is fun. altar camping is not fun, but it's worth it if I get to use fun artifacts. the only reason I altar camp so much, is that not all the artifacts are very fun
20:38 <Loggers_VIII> getting unfun artifacts and then being stuck with them or having to use a wish to get one I like is not fun, so I don't like it :p
20:39 <K2> altar camping isnt really playing though :/ it's akin to DAoC's completely nutso crafting
20:39 <aosdict> well from a dev's perspective, the player mindset of "i should be allowed to grind for the artifact of my choice" is a thing that should be broken
20:39 <K2> as in the amount of time it takes
20:40 <Loggers_VIII> aosdict: just make artifacts more equal in power seems like the extremely obvious solution from a balance standpoint
20:40 <K2> booo no
20:40 <K2> if they are all mostly the same... wtf
20:40 <Loggers_VIII> I don't want trollsbane because trollsbane is shit. trollsbane is not fun to use
20:40 <K2> might as well just have one
20:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class b), on T:38584 (8:03:22)
20:40 <K2> brb
20:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) genocided two random monsters from class e, on T:38585 (8:03:27)
20:41 <Imanity> Oh forgot about the 2 random monsters
20:41 <Loggers_VIII> K2: I don't mean make them similar mechanically, but in my opinion all artifacts should be powerful enough to use as a serviceable main weapon throughout the endgame, which ain't the case
20:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2781 (0:18:31)
20:41 <K2> hmmm i disagree
20:41 <Loggers_VIII> I mean, take magicbane and mjollnir. these are super different artifacts, but I like using them both
20:41 <K2> one of these days i will ascend with grimtooth or sting
20:41 <Loggers_VIII> grimtooth is actually good in evilhack
20:42 <K2> glamdring
20:42 <Loggers_VIII> if you don't want to balance them power wise, at least make them FUN
20:42 <K2> glam is meant as an early game artifact that has appeal for wizards but its a perfectly servicable late game weapon
20:42 <K2> they are fun!
20:43 <Loggers_VIII> I don't care about difficulty really, but you won't catch me using some bullshit like trollsbane or ogresmasher or glamdring as a main weapon cuz mechanically they don't interest me
20:43 <K2> :(
20:43 <K2> welp... i cant please everyone on all things. i do the best i can
20:43 <K2> all of the vanilla artifact are better in evilhack
20:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3152 (0:20:54)
20:44 <K2> there are balance considerations as well
20:45 <K2> YANI: new artifact - foldable saw of loggers xmas
20:45 <Loggers_VIII> did I mention werebane yet? *fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk* werebane
20:45 <Loggers_VIII> heh
20:45 <K2> i have a new forged artifact in the works
20:45 <K2> its a surprise
20:45 <K2> been thinking about it for a few months now
20:46 <K2> man werebane is a saber and its silver... lol
20:46 <K2> but nooo it sucks lol
20:46 <aosdict> Loggers_VIII: if all artifacts are endgame quality, then the barrier to getting one needs to be punted waaaaay later in the game
20:46 <Loggers_VIII> if your artifact's main benefit has nothing to do whatsoever with its status as an artifact, you have failed in creating an interesting artifact
20:46 <K2> an archeologist would totally rock dual wielding grayswandir and werebane
20:48 <Loggers_VIII> aosdict: outside of evilhack, making all artifacts endgame quality would have literally no effect on balance because everyone farms for an endgame artifact as soon as they can anyway. that issue wouldn't arise from making all artifacts good, it already exists except we also have to deal with the fucking lame ones too
20:49 <aosdict> it sounds like we agree that players farming indefinitely to get the artifact they want is unfun and should be prevented
20:49 <K2> yup
20:49 <Loggers_VIII> hehe yeah
20:49 <K2> <3
20:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:39018 (8:10:48)
20:50 <aosdict> I don't think making all artifacts equal in power will stop them from doing that
20:50 <aosdict> I got ultra excalibur but I don't care because I wanna grayswandir so I'm gonna grind for 20,000 more turns!
20:51 <Loggers_VIII> then combine me and k2's ideas and make artifacts actually good and also give just 1 from an altar
20:51 <aosdict> in 3.7.0, ais has not done anything (yet) to solve the grinding, but he has pushed back the point at which you can realistically grind for one
20:52 <aosdict> I am waiting to see more data on how those changes go
20:52 <Loggers_VIII> ais' whole thing is that getting an endgame artifact early was op, he said he has further stuff in the works for discouraging grinding I think
20:53 <aosdict> even if artifacts are limited to 1 per altar, I still don't think there is a compelling argument to try to make them of equal utility to one another (even that can be a fools' errand, the utility of an arti varies based on your role and skill caps)
20:54 <K2> i like the idea of weighted corpses (higher level monster corpse has more value vs lower level)
20:54 <aosdict> if you really want a specific artifact, wish for it.
20:54 <K2> other than that, i dont really like the new vanilla altar sac change
20:54 <aosdict> if you don't want to or can't wish for a specific artifact, then you have to rely on fickle divine favor
20:54 <Loggers_VIII> I think you are taking me a little out of context here. just make all artifacts fun to use
20:55 <Loggers_VIII> I don't mean they all have to be exactly equal in power. that's dumb
20:55 <aosdict> (note, I don't like sac gifts counting against your ability to artiwish, and disconnected them in xnh)
20:55 <K2> Loggers_VIII - fun is relative. what you think of as fun/no fun isnt the same as everyone else
20:55 <Loggers_VIII> I think all artifacts should be good, especially if you are going to limit the amount you can receive and also have it be random
20:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed davez's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:3984 (0:32:44)
20:55 <Loggers_VIII> K2: no one thinks trollsbane is fun
20:55 <Loggers_VIII> no one thinks ogresmasher is fun
20:56 <K2> barbarian enters chat
20:56 <K2> either of those would be awesome during the quest
20:56 <aosdict> test question - since sting can be granted as a gift, do you think it should be boosted in utility/damage/powers/whatever to be roughly on par / equal "fun" as grayswandir
20:56 <Loggers_VIII> no one likes an artifact that's good for one tiny part of the 70+ level game
20:56 <Loggers_VIII> aosdict: no, that's stupid. grayswandir isn't fun anyway
20:56 <K2> lol
20:57 * aosdict ascended an arc in tnnt. grayswandir is hella fun
20:57 <K2> yup this discussion is over
20:57 <Loggers_VIII> I think grayswandir is lame because it's boring
20:57 <K2> good game Loggers_VIII :P
20:57 <Loggers_VIII> I don't think it's necessarily bad for balance
20:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:4122 (0:34:51)
20:57 <Loggers_VIII> Sting is boring and also the worst artifact in the game
20:59 <K2> omg
20:59 <Loggers_VIII> I think I already specified that ideally I want every artifact to be somewhat usable through the endgame as a main weapon. there are artifacts many times worse than grayswandir that meet this specification
20:59 <K2> every artifact has some sort of utility that is useful in the endgame
20:59 <Loggers_VIII> cleaver for example is a good artifact (pretty decent damage, good for crowd control) that is fun (AoE is fun)
21:00 <K2> i'm gonna make a junk artifact just to make you feel better about the rest of them
21:00 <aosdict> I respectfully disagree with that premise, assuming we are still allowing relatively early game characters to get an artifact
21:00 <K2> the rubber hose of justice
21:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:39489 (8:18:07)
21:00 <aosdict> it is boring to get something that can carry you through the rest of the game, early in the game
21:00 <Loggers_VIII> K2: oh fuck off no one is using sting or orcrist trollsbane or ogresmasher or giantslayer in the endgame apart from like challenge runs :P
21:00 <Loggers_VIII> aosdict: okay so gate it lol
21:00 <K2> JUSTICE
21:00 <Imanity> xD
21:00 <K2> lol
21:01 <Loggers_VIII> I would use the rubber hose of justice
21:01 <aosdict> of course, I added a sac-giftable artifact food in xnh. you aren't even guaranteed to get a weapon
21:01 <K2> i'll rename to 'dildo of justice' midgame and curse it som you cant unwield it
21:02 <Loggers_VIII> I'd win with it but that's because it'd be really funny
21:02 <Loggers_VIII> sting is not funny
21:02 <K2> sorry, 'flying dildo of justice'. it has to fly
21:02 <K2> :P
21:02 <Loggers_VIII> stick it in your ass for flying
21:02 <K2> omg
21:03 <K2> i'm sorry everyone, i went too far
21:03 <K2> and Loggers_VIII went there
21:03 <Loggers_VIII> one small thrust for ma- yeah we gotta stop
21:03 <K2> rofl
21:03 <aosdict> this is a good time to say gnite everyone
21:03 <K2> hahah gnite aosdict
21:03 <Loggers_VIII> night aosdict :P
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21:04 <K2> ooh actually before i start in on more drood spells, i need to fix that crash bug Imanity had
21:04 <Imanity> aye, no idea why it only happened with vamp mage
21:04 <K2> i think it may have to do with the fact that human form izchak was level drained bfore transforming
21:05 <Imanity> Maybe
21:05 <K2> if that's the case, quick fix is to make izchak drain res
21:05 <K2> i'll know more tomorrow
21:06 <Loggers_VIII> nooooo draining izchak is my favorite way to take out archangel form
21:08 <K2> aw
21:09 <Loggers_VIII> 1.5k HP is a lot...
21:09 <Imanity> Yeah, I think it'll be fairer if you reduce his archangel's hp down to a normal archangel
21:09 <Imanity> to make it challenging, but not impossible for an early char
21:11 <K2> the whole point of that is that no one should be killing izchak :)
21:11 <Loggers_VIII> btw K2 did you see the back scroll regarding archangels being notame?
21:11 <K2> no i didnt
21:11 <Loggers_VIII> yeah I'm fine with the HP as it is
21:11 <Loggers_VIII> there was just some talk about it being strange that you can't have a tame archangel but you can have a tame archon
21:11 <Loggers_VIII> also plssss let me have a tame neothelid :3
21:11 <K2> no to both
21:12 <K2> they are non tamable on purpose
21:12 <K2> *tameable
21:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:39844 (8:25:17)
21:13 <Loggers_VIII> then make archons non tamable for consistency
21:13 <Umbire> mostly I'm just puzzled as to how you can apparently still make figures of them despite that
21:13 <Umbire> also why do you seem intent on suggesting things that'll start a riot
21:13 <Loggers_VIII> I'm simply taking ideas to their logical conclusion here :3
21:14 <Loggers_VIII> also yeah it's mean that you can get a fig
21:14 <Loggers_VIII> cuz if someone doesn't know something is non tamable and they wish for it it's a waste of wish
21:14 <Loggers_VIII> and potentially they could think they just got really unlucky and wish for another
21:15 <Loggers_VIII> there's no in-game clarification as to what is tamable or not
21:16 <K2> so?
21:16 <K2> you play, you try/do things, and learn
21:16 <K2> you arent supposed to have all knowledge of every little thing starting out
21:17 <Loggers_VIII> eh okay but there's literally no way to know lol
21:17 <K2> seriously, there's gamers pre and post internet
21:17 <K2> Loggers_VIII *that's the point*
21:17 <K2> you play and discover as you go
21:17 <Loggers_VIII> no but like you won't know even after it happens
21:17 <K2> yes you would
21:18 <K2> its called 'trial and error'
21:18 <Loggers_VIII> if I wish for blessed archon figurine and the archon is hostile, I would just assume I got unlucky
21:18 <K2> i have some old games I played way back in the day where i took copious notes - i'd learn and discover new things and it was FUN
21:18 <Loggers_VIII> that's like a minimum of 2 wasted wishes to get an idea of the mechanics hehe
21:19 <Loggers_VIII> I'm not advocating against trial and error, but this particular example is needlessly obtuse in my opinion
21:19 <K2> i see too many players have this mindset of 'how am I supposed to know that?' and i just shake my head
21:19 <K2> you learn by doing
21:20 <K2> that's part of the adventure
21:20 <K2> part of wishes the wiki didnt exist
21:20 <K2> *part of me
21:21 <Loggers_VIII> having to spend 2 wishes minimum to get an idea of a mechanic is stupid
21:21 <K2> you act like those are the only wishes you'll ever get EVER lol
21:22 <K2> explore mode enters chat
21:22 <Loggers_VIII> is 2 wishes not a wildly significant sink of resources??
21:22 <K2> omg Loggers_VIII
21:22 <K2> you're missing the point
21:23 <Loggers_VIII> tbh explore mode is more useful than the wiki sometimes
21:23 <K2> i think the games 'eye of the beholder' and 'starflight' are the ones where i took the most notes. drew maps, the whole bit
21:23 <Loggers_VIII> nah I mean trial and error is fine I just think this particular example is needlessly punishing
21:23 <K2> gos that was so much fun
21:23 <K2> *god
21:24 <K2> and when i beat them it was glorious
21:24 <K2> actually celebrated
21:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 3361 points, T:5001, poisoned by a giant mosquito
21:24 <Loggers_VIII> ALSO I had been kind of sitting on this thought but notame shouldn't be applied to non-uniques
21:24 <Loggers_VIII> like even the best pets aren't as good as just wishing for dragonhide armor or something
21:25 <K2> hmm
21:26 <Loggers_VIII> as far as balance, it's not game breaking to have a pet neothelid I just kind of think it's badass
21:26 <K2> um yeah it is
21:26 <K2> those monsters are insane
21:26 <K2> and if you have a means to heal it? gah
21:26 <Loggers_VIII> vorpal Js and Archons are better and you can have those
21:26 <Loggers_VIII> one could argue shadow/black dragons
21:28 <Loggers_VIII> I'm realizing my argument is starting to make 'make vorpal J and archon untameable' seem like a reasonable option but uhhhh don't :p
21:30 <Loggers_VIII> but as I've said it's never optimal to wish for a pet over improving your own combat ability so I don't think making more monsters available as pets is a huge deal especially when stronger options are already allowed
21:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Tiamat, on T:40720 (8:41:10)
21:31 <K2> the monsters i have as non tame are staying that way. there are good reasons why
21:31 <Loggers_VIII> booooooooooooooooooooooooooo
21:31 <K2> hisssssssssssssssss
21:32 <Loggers_VIII> the amount of work you would have to put into making a neothelid able to survive the endgame makes its power worth it >:(
21:32 <Loggers_VIII> they have like no valuable resists beside acid
21:32 <Loggers_VIII> correction, they have NO RESISTS besides acid lol
21:33 <Loggers_VIII> ok sorry sorry I'll stop begging for pet neothelid :(
21:34 <Umbire> The neothelid thing I understand entirely from a flavor perspective, if I wanted a pokemon-like I'd make one
21:34 <Umbire> (and in fact would kill for a PMD "de-make")
21:35 <Umbire> from a Fun™ perspective there's a lot of mons I'd want to have as pets but not enough to trump the former
21:35 <Loggers_VIII> fun trumps flavor ngl
21:37 <Loggers_VIII> if I just wanted flavor I'd read a book
21:37 <Umbire> That's too bad.
21:37 <Loggers_VIII> isn't it though????
21:38 <Loggers_VIII> books are cool though nothing against books
21:38 <Umbire> Much less pithily I'd think the blend of flavor/fun is entirely the reason most people're drawn to shit like evilhack in the first place.
21:39 <Loggers_VIII> I mean yeah there's a balance and I'm being needlessly obtuse by taking it to its total extreme
21:39 <Umbire> evil, xnh, dnh, those all have a distinct Vibe™ to them both in the gameplay and the presentation
21:39 <Umbire> a monster can be completely identical between those versions and I picture them three different ways, at least
21:42 <Loggers_VIII> YANI: neothelids can spawn for illithids
21:42 <Loggers_VIII> logic? uhhh I dunno man they're hunting you down to eat your brain and become brainier
21:43 <Loggers_VIII> @e?baphomet
21:43 <Hecubus> Baphomet (&) | Lvl: 54 | Diff: 30 | Spd: 18 | Res: fire poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 75 | Gen: unique | AC: -4 | Atk: 4d6 weapon physical, 4d6 claw physical, 2d6 cast clerical, 8d6 butt knockback | Align: -15 | flies, thick hide, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, silverhate, infravis, demon
21:45 <Loggers_VIII> I kinda want an underground illithid city with tons of flayers and a big brain you have to kill in order to get to geno flayers
21:46 <K2> i wawait the PR
21:46 <K2> *await
21:46 <K2> wow i cnt typ
21:47 <krm26> speaking of monsters you wont make tameable -- celestial dragons are TOO good, and it is too easy to flip their allegiance in purgatory. i think they should be untameable
21:48 <Loggers_VIII> I kinda agree but also I feel like all dragons should be tameable
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21:48 <Loggers_VIII> that's just a dumb weird loggers brain thing
21:48 <Loggers_VIII> K2: I'll PR it if you accept :P
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21:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:41748 (8:58:30)
21:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:41749 (8:58:34)
21:50 <K2> heh
21:50 <K2> i might
21:51 <krm26> alternately, also let celestials engulf and only allow me to tame them
21:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4763 (0:27:23)
21:52 <Loggers_VIII> I think it's better that they can't engulf because it makes them more dangerous as monsters
21:52 <K2> calling it a night, gnite all, good discussions :P
21:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:25199 (6:27:37)
21:54 <Loggers_VIII> night k2!
21:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:31524 (6:55:26)
21:54 <Loggers_VIII> I love when we get to yapping in this channel
21:57 <Umbire> night
21:58 <Loggers_VIII> umbire when will umbhack be real so I can play it and argue with you about balance decisions
21:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed figurine of a celestial dragon named Mishi-Gwingwa'aage", on T:1 (0:00:29)
21:59 <Loggers_VIII> teehee decent start
21:59 <Umbire> All that does it make me want to delay it out of spite.
22:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) entered the Wizard of Yendor's lair, on T:42619 (9:08:33)
22:00 <krm26> turn ONE?
22:00 <krm26> geez
22:00 <krm26> hope you make your roll to actually get it
22:00 <Loggers_VIII> I will be dying to a large kobold on dungeon level 2
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22:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:42673 (9:09:38)
22:03 <Imanity> Lmao ofc the book of the dead fell into the abyss
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22:09 <Loggers_VIII> I hate when that happens
22:12 <Imanity> I found his corpse by the stairs after he cast double trouble
22:12 <Imanity> But no book
22:12 <Imanity> So it must've been dropped somewhere
22:12 <Imanity> not showing me anything tho, from detect treasure
22:13 <Loggers_VIII> maybe a guy took it and ran downstairs? idk
22:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:35682 (14:26:50)
22:15 <Imanity> Must've done. It's not on the 3rd demon boss lair
22:16 <Loggers_VIII> agh that sucks
22:18 <Imanity> Nope, it just disappeared
22:18 <Loggers_VIII> ttyrec time
22:18 <Imanity> Oh, a green dragon picked it up
22:18 <Imanity> on the wizard's level
22:19 <Loggers_VIII> I was very worried you were going to be the discoverer of a new unwinnable bug! :P
22:19 <Imanity> The monitor would have several holes in :)
22:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:43436 (9:25:05)
22:19 <Imanity> Fuck me, this is going to be world last contender
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22:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:43502 (9:26:00)
22:22 <Loggers_VIII> 9:25 wizard kill is pretty good pace for evil
22:22 <Loggers_VIII> *book acquirement
22:22 <Imanity> Would've been half an hour earlier if the green dragon hadn't fucked with me
22:23 <Loggers_VIII> well in that case I'm snidely glad that green dragon was an asshole because otherwise that'd be well on pace to beat my time :P
22:23 <Imanity> yep :P
22:24 <Imanity> Think I learned a lot this run. Will be a new pb by far
22:24 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Interesting backscroll today 🙂
22:24 <Imanity> Why is the book cursed :)))))
22:25 <Loggers_VIII> I fucking hate when the book is cursed and it messes up my ritual
22:28 <Imanity> Round 2
22:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:10429 (1:03:49)
22:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:43917 (9:32:05)
22:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2192 (0:29:17)
22:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the illithid high priestess of Moloch, on T:44256 (9:38:14)
22:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:44258 (9:38:23)
22:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:11774 (1:19:07)
22:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a baby sea dragon, on T:12950 (1:24:40)
22:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:44861 (9:52:48)
22:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 16639 points, T:12965, killed by a troll
22:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 9 crossbow bolts on an altar, on T:4367 (0:48:49)
22:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a spectre, on T:44880 (9:53:25)
22:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) became permanently transformed into a spectre, on T:44880 (9:53:25)
22:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1742868 points, T:44880, killed while stuck in creature form
22:50 <Imanity> Well that sucks. Never seen so many summons in the sanctum
22:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:37927 (15:03:19)
22:51 <Demo> whats that mean and how is it all in one turn
22:52 <Imanity> Idk, some new change
22:52 <Umbire> It's been in the game for ages lol
22:52 <Umbire> Imani dedded but revived as a spectre but dedded once all the other monsters finished their turn and killed the spectre form
22:52 <Umbire> !lastgame
22:52 <Hecubus> Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/splungetoo/evilhack/dumplog/1735266263.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/K/Kaizo/evilhack/dumplog/1735166506.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/p/post163/evilhack/dumplog/1734793412.evil.html
22:53 <Imanity> So nice I can be in such a useful form :)
22:53 <Demo> ah ok
22:53 <Loggers_VIII> oh no!!!
22:54 <Loggers_VIII> yeah the sanctum can get REALLY bogged down with nasties some times
22:54 <Umbire> Like a good couple of years that's been a thing that can happen WRT spectres
22:54 <Imanity> Dw, I've just got a woolly mammoth now
22:54 <Imanity> coming to get you Loggers ;)
22:55 <Loggers_VIII> hehe good luck
22:55 <Loggers_VIII> I moan about it but I love having competition
22:56 <Imanity> ikr
22:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1467 (0:07:15)
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23:01 <krm26> we havent had someone ragequit the channel after a death in quite some time :-)
23:02 <Imanity> Who did that?
23:03 <Imanity> Oh the chop guy
23:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 4181 points, T:1513, killed by a woolly mammoth
23:06 <Loggers_VIII> RIP
23:06 <Imanity> He didnt even make it to goblin king :(
23:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:2730 (0:16:26)
23:07 <Umbire> ...what death?
23:07 <Umbire> I'm a bit lost re: chop
23:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) murdered his faithful warhorse, on T:4 (0:00:06)
23:07 <Imanity> same, cant see anything from hecubus for him
23:07 <Demo> I'm the ultimate evilhack rage quitter
23:08 <Demo> Astral Splat? Me? ok. I'm done forever. goodbye evilhack. you've bested me.
23:08 <Imanity> lol
23:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) murdered his faithful pseudodragon, on T:1 (0:00:02)
23:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 8 points, T:72, killed by a fox
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23:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 440 points, T:841, killed by a wererat
23:15 <Imanity> These mobs became so much tankier for some reason
23:15 <Loggers_VIII> I think krm26 was actually referring to someone not rage quitting, that being imanity (rather than alluding to someone who did quit by saying it's been a while)
23:15 <Imanity> Never met a fox who can tank 2 psionic blasts to the face
23:15 <Imanity> Yes
23:16 <bigchopchop66> cool. a pet gnoll cleric is casting protection spells at me. I didn't know pets could do that!
23:16 <Loggers_VIII> whoa what that's sick
23:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 3051 points, T:1023, quit
23:19 <bigchopchop66> I know!
23:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4507 (0:29:49)
23:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) murdered his faithful winter wolf cub, on T:5 (0:00:06)
23:20 <bigchopchop66> I was a bit disappointed a gnoll cleric was all i could get from a poly trap for my pet, but now... maybe thats pretty cool
23:21 <Umbire> Sounds like you serially lowrolled those mind blasts
23:21 <bigchopchop66> the spells are so random tho. lol "The gnoll cleric casts a spell! A purplish-blue film oozes over its exterior!  The wolf is overly conductive."
23:21 <bigchopchop66> somebody find this wolf and orchestra!
23:21 <Umbire> Vulnerability spell, not much random to it
23:21 <Loggers_VIII> hahaha
23:22 <Loggers_VIII> maybe having a cleric pet like that is cool actually, you could use dichotomy to more effect lategame
23:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) murdered his faithful giant mosquito, on T:9 (0:00:12)
23:23 <Imanity> Dragons dont want to spawn tonight
23:30 <bigchopchop66> yes!
23:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law), 9352 points, T:6276, killed by a marilith
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23:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bigchopchop (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a wooden stiletto entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:34682 (14:35:01)
23:52 <bigchopchop66> OMFG a wooden stiletto
23:53 <bigchopchop66> that's got to be one of the worst gifts posilbe. lol
23:56 <Loggers_VIII> hehe that is amazingly bad
23:57 <bigchopchop66> can't even forge it into something else!