00:30 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 00:41 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:7574 (1:47:18) 01:24 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:10227 (2:30:37) 01:49 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 01:53 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a master mind flayer, on T:12015 (2:58:49) 02:43 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 19192 points, T:15646, killed by a warg, while fainted from lack of food 03:21 [hdf-au] [evil] Monk (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:24289 (11:57:45) 04:43 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:24 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 05:37 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:49 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:00 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 06:24 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:32 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:10 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:11 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 09:32 hi 09:32 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 09:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a copper amulet of magic resistance, on T:17136 (5:20:33) 09:33 hellow 09:45 howdy 09:46 :P 09:47 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:54 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 09:54 man graz'zt is the worst to try to wring another demon boss out of with all his bippity-bopping around 09:55 lol 09:55 bippity bop 09:56 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNKuARjkWEg 09:58 maybe i can squeeze asmo out of lucifer, kill lucifer, and use asmo to finish everything off 09:58 need another 500hp first 10:00 but why? 10:00 high score? 10:01 ive just never killed every demon boss before, when i have a likely game i give it a yeoman's try 10:01 but im too lazy to summon them off normal demons, so i try to keep one of the less threatening bosses around 10:02 i mean, if i die, at least i dont have to do the ascension :-) 10:02 lol 10:02 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6286 (1:17:13) 10:05 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:6405 (1:19:35) 10:05 i guess it is my version of a conduct 10:08 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 10:23 would be cool if you could see how many junethack trophies you would have scored 10:59 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 13809 points, T:9866, killed by a gray unicorn 11:29 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:31 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 11:53 K2: importand TNNT question. 11:53 when will you start taking shirt orders? 11:55 I ordered a medium last year and it's now an extra small :\ 12:26 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 13:41 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:42 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 13:53 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 154 points, T:1568, killed by a small mimic 14:40 bouquet_ lol what? 14:41 how did it become an extra small? 14:41 also, i dont think we're doing shirts this year. i've been unemployed since may, i dont have the disposable income like i had last year to get shirts going 14:42 i lost money on last years shirts 15:04 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:20 [hdf-au] [evil] Monk (Mon Hum Mal Neu) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a dwarf corpse, on T:29496 (13:45:49) 16:21 [hdf-au] [evil] Monk (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 94105 points, T:29497, quit 16:30 -!- BobhamTook has joined #evilhack 16:31 There are shirts sites where you upload your design, costs nothing to do so, and if it sells you get a chunk of the sale. 16:32 You just direct people to your account and they can order directly from the company, and ships from the company. 16:32 Granted, the profit is not huge, but you would not lose money, either 16:35 we looked at a few of those last year 16:35 it's not as cut n' dry as you described 16:36 it would up being easier (and cheaper) to go through a local shop 16:36 *wound 16:37 and i was looking to just break even if possible, not in it for profit. shirt costs barely covered overhead and fees heh 16:40 TeePublic is that cut 'n dry. 16:41 Considered one of the best sites for artists (by artists) 16:41 and the point was not to make money, but to simply not lose money 16:42 local shops typically are only cheaper if you buy in quantity 16:42 TeePublic is print on demand 16:43 and, I guess ultimately, it depends on what product you are offer 16:44 actual screen printing ordirect-to-garment 16:45 -!- BobhamTook has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:55 -!- Umbire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:56 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 16:57 if we had sold all of the 2023 tnnt shirts, i would have just about broke even 16:57 maybe down a couple hundred, but that's no big deal 16:57 still have about 20-30 or so left 17:01 you didnt tell me i was supposed to order 10 instead of 1 17:04 heh 17:04 lemme check stock 17:05 there should be an on-demand t-shirt that you can put ascension dumps on 17:05 although i dont know that mobileuser's closet is big enough? 17:06 :) 17:07 52 shirts left 17:08 woops 17:08 was counting the old hardfought t's 17:08 27 tnnt 2023 shirts left 17:09 25 hdf shirts left 17:11 -!- Frozty has joined #evilhack 17:24 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:24 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4789 (0:27:08) 18:04 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (disenchanters), on T:12441 (1:07:02) 18:26 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:18886 (1:29:00) 18:28 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 9462 points, T:19315, killed by Mr. Aksaray; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 18:50 I only washed with cold water and an easy dry cycle! I can barely get it over my big noggin now. 18:53 [hdf-us] [evil] slarty (Inf Dro Fem Una), 406 points, T:824, killed by a giant bat 19:06 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Monk (Pri Dro Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible mitsilvan's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:24222 (9:58:32) 20:36 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) destroyed the invisible DragonSidedD's ghost, the former Student of Stones, on T:46574 (10:49:50) 20:48 [hdf-au] [evil] post163 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of lightning 20:59 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Lord Surtur, on T:20859 (6:43:36) 21:02 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 21:17 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:21298 (6:54:53) 21:18 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +2 crystal plate mail", on T:48659 (11:31:43) 21:18 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:48662 (11:32:01) 21:21 bouquet_ :P 21:23 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) refused to give up Gjallar to the Norn, on T:21535 (7:01:01) 21:25 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 21:29 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.3.1] 21:38 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Hum Fem Law) genocided alhoons, on T:99736 (1 day, 7:07:46) 21:38 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Hum Fem Law) genocided master mind flayers, on T:99736 (1 day, 7:07:50) 21:38 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Hum Fem Law) genocided mind flayers, on T:99737 (1 day, 7:08:15) 21:49 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Hum Fem Law) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:100551 (1 day, 7:18:57) 21:51 HAX 21:54 just trying to use up all my altars 21:54 ...uh i mean forges 21:55 blurp bloop 21:55 hah... just had a very controvesrial thought pop into my head 21:55 (sp) 21:55 been trying to make more forges with rings and all i get are altars which i guess explains my brain/finger disconnect 21:55 why do we altar camp? for artifacts 21:55 there are other reasons, but this is the main one 21:56 no more artifacts? im there 21:56 no 21:56 would halve the time of all my games 21:56 no more getting artifacts for altar camping :D 21:56 without changing artifact wishing? that would be brutally limiting :-) 21:57 could keep in the guaranteed artifact that some roles enjoy 21:57 but past that... just regular gear/spells/get crowned 21:57 that would make some forging recipes basically impossible (ithilmar, armor of retribution) 21:58 not impossible, just a lot less likely 21:58 and all other forging recipes massively random 21:58 i mean, practically impossible 21:58 however, comma 21:58 i find no random artifacts in well over half of my games 21:58 you then add something to compensate 21:58 such as 21:59 if you made each artifact have a generation theory, like sunsword for As 21:59 every boss monster you kill, they drop a random artifact 21:59 or 21:59 mini side quests 21:59 man, bosses dropping artifacts instead of altar camping would be SO MUCH faster (for me :-) 21:59 finish mini side quest get 21:59 or 22:00 something way more cooler i havent thought of 22:00 OR 22:01 honestly i like killing altar camping. i think that in that case, each artifact should have one of: (a) chance of being generated by an ungenocidable monster, like angelslayer with balrog; (2) chance of right-class @npc having their first-sac artifact if not playing that class; (c) miniquest 22:01 after every artifact received, there's a 1/x chance of the altar breaking? 22:01 did hackem do that? 22:01 artifact embedded in altar (sword in the stone :-), must destroy altar to free it, angering your god :-) 22:01 hahah 22:02 player monsters already have a chance to spawn with an artifact i think 22:02 not just on astral 22:02 i need to look 22:02 now that i think about it for a second 10 seconds, i do kinda like the idea that after a certain dl @npcs of each class have a chance of carrying an appropriate (non-quest) artifact 22:02 like in gehennom an @npc knight might have excalibur 22:03 @npcs can't be genocided so you'd always have a chance, but you couldn't camp for them, just catch as catch can 22:03 i think hackem did something with altars breaking 22:03 and it was not a fan favorite 22:03 if it was like npc level / 2 as a percentage 22:03 lemme look 22:04 then that would be not unreasonable chances 22:04 caveman could get a shot at trollsbane, barb at ogresmaasher, wizard at magicbane, infidel secespita, etc etc 22:05 monks at dragonbane 22:05 oh wow it was from splicehack 22:05 https://github.com/k21971/HackEM/commit/7f1a1ab31b55fe17506ea9007cf3f846d7f079d3 22:06 there's another commit a couple days after this one - crowning always destroys the altar 22:06 i do kinda like letting people camp for non-artifact gear, would hate for an altar/artifact change to really f that over 22:06 so that you get trollsmoosh and no altar instead of anything good 22:06 yeah i dont think destroying the altar is the way to go 22:06 but take a minute to think over the @npc thing, i think it has legs 22:07 * K2 nods 22:07 that would be a profound change and man would you get hate mail :-) 22:07 heh 22:07 yeah there are balance implications here 22:07 major ones 22:07 you could half-step it, and initially introduce it as a no-artifacts-on-altar conduct you could select 22:08 and once mobileuser ascended that way another 100 times, make it permanent and watch [redacted] 22:08 's head explode 22:08 this kinda reminds me of a ad&d campaign i used to play way way back. the DM said that the world we were in, magic was extremely rare 22:08 anyway, you'll have to work harder than THAT to make me stop playing 22:09 so if you found something like a +1 long sword, OMG 22:09 heh 22:09 nethack is steeped in magic 22:09 imagine nethack without magic 22:09 it is all about expectations! whether the +1 sword is uncommon or the +7 vorpal axe of infinite boobs is uncommon, as long as someone lucks into the uncommon item :-) 22:09 or hardly any 22:10 you mean imagine im running an illiterate caveman 22:10 hah 22:11 a game like that would presumably have much richer physical-action/technique mechanics to make up for the big chunk of magic gameplay that got lopped off 22:11 yup 22:12 hmm. so where is the best place for me to find a nice friendly balrog to get in dispater or meph for me 22:12 are big demons more likely to generate on demon boss levels? 22:12 prolly not :-( 22:12 yes because of the boss already there 22:12 no once you have killed the boss like a dope 22:12 demon bosses have a higher chance of gating in another boss vs regular demons 22:13 alas my bosses all fell down went boom 22:13 heh 22:13 unless i want to farm lucifer 22:13 i've done lucifer+3 before but it was unintentional and pretty stressful 22:13 putting this discussion on the back burner 22:13 druid first 22:13 you keep misspelling drood 22:13 god i dont wanna make the quest text 22:14 what, like, the quest leader shpiel? 22:14 i can write that for you if you give me a topic sentence 22:14 quest leader/nemesis yeah 22:14 oh really? 22:14 sure why not i have the stupid english degree 22:14 oh snap 22:14 but, can you spin a good yarn? 22:15 is the quest leader a pretentious, officious, holier-than-though douchbag? that is my specialty 22:15 :) 22:15 hmm 22:15 lemme draw up a summary real quick like 22:16 who is the nemesis? naughty dwarf logger? fallen druid who eats meat? 22:16 sentient tree-eating fungus? 22:16 Baba Yaga is the quest nemesis 22:17 man she gets such a bad rap! there are too many children anyway 22:17 https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Baba_Yaga 22:17 quest leader is Elanee 22:17 https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Elanee 22:18 ah i know nothing about forgotten realms 22:18 the story - the magical forest that the druids tend to is slowly being destroyed by baba yaga and whatever minions she summons 22:19 you dont need to know anything about forgotten realms 22:19 just linking to those figures so you know something about them 22:19 forest doesnt even have to be magical 22:19 just 'the forest' 22:19 whatever 22:20 alright, i'll barf out a first pass for you 22:20 i already created the foundation for the quest text 22:20 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/1383daa7c9f5a0e207b0d729ed12b4b27d99092e 22:21 its all the healer quest crap 22:21 you do this, i'll adopt you 22:21 i havent decided what the baddies will be that our player druid will have to go up against 22:22 however, its known that druids absoltely despise the undead 22:22 *absolutely 22:23 you've already written all of quest.txt! 22:23 baba yaga is also referred to as 'the mother of all witches' so that fits 22:23 lol no 22:23 that's a copy/paste of the healer quest text 22:24 i just changed the headers from Hea to Dru 22:24 ah ok 22:24 that explains the caduceus talk 22:24 i needed something so i could test that the druid quest levels would load 22:25 so the main theme is - druid saves the forest from evil witch 22:25 *saves the forest and all of the creatures that live in it 22:30 thanks krm26 22:30 dont thank me yet! i'll try to take a stab at it sometime tomorrow 22:31 no rush 22:31 early bedtime, have a tree to chop up and move tomorrow morning -- later 22:32 cya 22:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1361 points, T:2543, killed by an orc shaman, while praying 23:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:5280 (0:35:16) 23:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:5883 (0:38:44) 23:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed fubaz's ghost, the former Investigator, on T:6410 (0:46:11) 23:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:6443 (0:46:25)